Max Blumenthal has an amazing thesis: All conservatives and Republicans are beneath contempt. He also has an amazing line of work. He is underwritten by various media organs to prove his thesis.
In a previous era, Blumenthal and said media organs (Salon, Independent Film Channel, Huffington Post, etc.) were able to get away with this pathetic arrangement. But now, we are on to Max, the spawn of Sid “Vicious” Blumenthal – he who attempted to ruin Monica Lewinsky’s life by falsely portraying her as Bill Clinton’s “stalker.”
The Blumenthal operation is now under the extremely close scrutiny of a camelid named “Retracto.”
The movement formerly known as the “Tea-Baggers” (with their flip cameras and new media skills) and various conservatives who have had enough with the excessive Alinsky tactics used most egregiously by Max and Sid but representative of main stream media’s odious guilt-by-association, repeat-the-same-lie-until-it-sticks, smear-any-conservative-as-racist-sexist-homophobic skill set, are now fighting back.
If the last two weeks have not humiliated him enough — and this Huffington Post rage-fest from yesterday with its title “Feeling the Hate at CPAC 2010 With Andrew Breitbart, Hannah Giles and the Crazy Mob” suggests they have not – then perhaps this coup de booger will tell him that we say what we mean and we mean what we say.
Max gallivanted around CPAC looking for prey. He was treated with respect as he sought to make good and decent people look foolish on camera. He decided he would go after a 20-year-old girl, one Hannah Giles. And perhaps due to sexism or ageism he underestimated her ability. Max should have called Bertha Lewis before he went after this young heroine. Instead, he went to a gunfight with a knife – and a dirty nose.
Ladies and gentlemen, the much awaited, “Max Blumenthal Picks a Booger Out of His Nose at CPAC” video:
Max Blumenthal, this is what you do for a living. I can do it too (**wink **wink** Independent Film Channel).
Salon has already corrected his initial attempt to paint James O’Keefe as a White Nationalist. They corrected his baseless assertion that O’Keefe planned the “Race and Conservatism” forum held at Georgetown Law Center, but he continues to hold that James O’Keefe is a racist, and that he was in some way involved with the “execution” of the forum. His source for this claim? Daryle Jenkins, whose credibility was recently eviscerated by Kevin Martin from Project 21.
He was wrong about Kevin Martin being a last minute addition to the “Race and Conservatism” panel (which Blumenthal describes as a “white nationalist confab”), and he continues to conveniently exclude Mr. Martin’s own testimony that James O’Keefe agreed with his positions AGAINST White Nationalist, Jared Taylor.
He was also caught lying on a video seen by tens of thousands, and yet he chose to edit that part out of his CPAC highlight reel.
Max Blumenthal, you are being Booger-Boarded. Correct, retract, and apologize to James O’Keefe for your slanderous attempt to ruin his life. And if you do so, we will take this video down.
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That wasn't a booger. His brains were oozing out his nose.
Cute article Andrew. Thanks for the humor.
When I read the title, my mind went immediately to waterboard. There is a novel thought; Max Blumenthal is such a snot-nosed little prick, that he ought to be water boarded. While he is trussed up and supine, perhaps some of his fan club would enjoy defecating on him. You could possibly apply for a grant from the NEA and call it "Performance Art"……………..
HAHAHAHAHHA! I love how is pimping this girl and then she just says… uh dude. Booger.
Mr Breitbart why did you lie about O'Keefe wearing that pimp outfit to the Acorn meetings?
Hannah is amazering! Note: Yes liberals I understand that "amazering" isn't a word, I did not misspell the word and I know how to type. Anyway Hannah is smart, funny and HAWT! Note: again to liberals, I know that this isn't how you spell the word hot.
Max you have been PWNED
Booger-Boarded will be slammed all over the net…best just to apologize Max and get it over with!
He didn't lie. Gosh you people are really heartbroken by the whole ACORN is a corrupt organization that preys on the tax payer and poor thing aren't you? Don't worry the denial phase will end soon enough.
Mad Max at his booger best. Smearing someone maybe?
Go Retracto ….
Palmy, you haven't been around now for weeks. better tuck your tail betwixt your legs and skedaddle on out of here. Johnny Knoxville might show up and punk you.
What brain?
Hannah is awesome! I hope she is indicative of the new conservative woman. I would have turned red, turned around and corrected the situation and then apologized for looking like a slob. "Is it gone?" Where is you class moron? Tempus_Fugit_ is correct, that was the shriveled remains of his brain.
And yes, she is GORGEOUS!
I'm fairly certain vomit has to be involved. I think it's one of the requisites that must be met. Just ask Susan Sarandon.
Hee hee, the "hot babe" knocks this leftist dweeble back to embarrassing recess flashback of 7th grade – I'm sure he remembers the red burning cheeks and sinking feeling in his er, stomach…
Daddy's money and Little Maxey's "noteriety" couldn't charm the pretty girl he was NO DOUBT hoping to humiliate on tape and instead it Maxey that gets completely HUMILIATED – by her! Nice snot Max.
…thanks Hannah – "good shot" young lady!
That's all well and good people.
However, I'd like to know, (strictly for the record of course), just what did he do with said boogaaaaar after he cleaned out his hall for the party.
Perhaps:
1. Wiped it on his lapel.
2. Put it in his pocket, (for later).
3. Shoved it up his other nostril, (to keep the others company).
4. Dipped it in a little ranch dressing and had a snack.
Just askin'
Libtards are always so funny.
Not Over.
Why is it that when I see Max Blumenthal I think of all the loud-mouth, daddy’s-boy fraternity squibs who spend their whole lives trying to be like their daddies, but end up being thrice-plus divorced alcoholics hiring hookers on street corners? Wait. They DO become their daddies, don’t they?
Funny. Max is a small, small person. His credibility has been hurt with the retraction from the whiney Salon.
Probably best for Andrew and James to move forward with the much bigger issues than this weasel.
I think that's his idea of digging for a story.
Palmtree why don't you go and reread the articles and get back to us with that.
I'm sure it's easy for you to misread "posed as" with "dressed as". It's okay though, I believe you have infinite potential to grow as a person.
Wow! I read the comments to the Blumenthal post herein referrenced–I was amazed. It is the first time I've ever read any comments on the Huff Post. I think that even when I used to think I was a liberal, maybe I was not. They really are truly brainwashed believers (I used to be somewhat brain-numbed by the left, but I remained cautious to believe in any side). However, when I recently began exploring politics, I felt compelled to check out Fox TV and AM radio, basically because my friends and coworkers (Southern CA) (and my TV) told me they were so wrong and evil. Yet, when I watched Beck, he'd show video from the actual person he was discussing that illustrated his point. Levine on the radio points to facts and the Constitution. Thus, I concluded being a fiscal conservative independent was the way to help fix the country and make it a better place for my son. So, I'm happy that when accusations are levied against media on the "right," verifiable (by a layperson) facts are usually used to support the story (like Obama and his lies about his knowledge of ACORN). Yet, those commenting to Blumenthal are buying his story, even though actual sources have appeared on this site to refute the false stories–it really does amaze me. Anyway, keep up the good work and keep it true and accurate! Thanks for letting me ramble with a rare minute of free time.
Yep. You read the thread yesterday……….
psst. tree-dweller…SCARE-CORN is NO MAS` – done – kaput. They're reconstituting under a less CRIMINALLY ASSOCIATED new name.
The American public is wise to the corruption and Congress is being blocked from funding them further – despite objections from their criminal coconspiritors.
Being on the front lines takes great resolve, I admire these people! They would love to have a "Legal" reason to silence the "Detractors" mainly Andrew, it was pretty obvious what was in store for Hannah!! Be very careful your enemy is tutored by a Serpent!!!!!
Hello, halfwit. I see they've let you out of your room and that you can use the computer again. I hope you took your Clozapine today.
I did indeed.
Some jokes just never get old.
HuffPo goons buy Maxi's rhyme because they can't stand reason. I'm glad you caught on and hope you keep on keepin' on.
Hannah — just excellent!!!!!!
He will forever be known as "Booger" Blumenthal. . .or worse!
Blumenthal really goes for the low budget snacks.
Pickin' your nose and chewin' it is grossss. It is economical
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thank u mr andrew. thank you thank you I have be preying for this my hole life
Ewwwweeeee! How Gross! Doesn’t he carry tissues? It doesn’t look like he rushed off to the B/R to wash his mucous germ-laden hand afterward either nor did he appear embarrassed. No, it appears that he does this often because he’s so casual about it, and shockingly hygiene doesn’t even appear to enter his head.
Hey Tommy, next time you both shake hands, you’ll be wondering to yourself, did he just pick his nose? lol
Thanks Hannah, Andrew, and the rest of the team, for the great job you're doing.
Booger Blumenthal. lol
Poor little boy! Mommy must have abandoned him early on to go about her work in finding herself in her Anarcha-feminism. Daddy of course was busy giving Bill advise while he was being impeached. He missed all the ins and outs of social norms, no one there to slap his hand when he picked his nose….he has no clue.
See I can make up shit too!
Palmjob
Is that the best you can do, talk about what someone was wearing , not the least bit concernerd about what was being SAID? ( by the corrupt community organizers).
You may want to rethink the basic complaint, it makes you appear to be an ACORN-holer…
Palmjob… good one!
Hey Max Blumenthal!
Was that booger considered a kosher meal?
I think he was auditioning for the remake of Caddy Shack!
I dare everyone who is ever around this booger eating moron to “tip their nose” at him. Especially when there is a camera around. Maybe drive him insane by thinking he always ‘has one hangin’.
I think he was auditioning for the remake of Caddy Shack!
I dare everyone who is ever around this booger eating moron to "tip their nose" at him. Especially when there is a camera around. Maybe drive him insane by thinking he always 'has one hangin'.
Max you putz! Not even your father could spin you out of this. I hate to break it to you pal but you're probably out of the will and your room has just been made into a spare closet.
You should make other plans for Thanksgiving………
I am glad you shared your journey. I think there are many more out there who may not be brave enough to make the shift, especially if they are involved in social circles of liberalism. You are on the right track with the sources you are choosing. I rarely see anything from the MSM except when I visit my father or what I see on news bites. I am astounded at the blatant bashing from the likes of Olbermann and Maddow. Its not like it use to be, except for Fox. Continue on in your journey and once again appreciate your story.
Are you kidding me? Dude. If a woman tells me that I don't stand there and dig for gold in front of her and cameras!!! Is it wrong for me to love Breitbart and his whole crew? LOL!!
Honestly, all of you make me proud!
We’ve basically won the battles but the war lingers. What is the next step to drive the stake through the heart of the left-wing-enabling old media and its hitmen? If this were reversed, we would see this snotfest far and wide on the dinowhore media. But as it is, we haven’t gotten to that point. Will it take a conservative MTV-type outlet? Well, yes it will. I eagerly await the next step in this journey.
Seriously that almost made me blow beer out my nose. Did he even have a booger or did she make it up? LOVE it.
Pwrecker
Listen…If it's any consolation or reassurance, most ALL Conservatives I know, were liberals in the prior life.
Very few can come thru the madrassa public schools system, and be anything but liberal, I'm always amazed when I meet a young person who is a NOT a lib…I think, how is this possible? When everyone around you is an skull full of mush and knows so many "Facts" that aren't true.. …
.Conservatism takes some thinking and introspection, not to mention the many years it takes to absorb and relate to all the finer points. But when you incorporate it with religion, the 10 commandments, and the Constitution of the US, you'll find you are on an enviable path and very happy in your own skin…
USMC teaches basic hygiene to recruits. Four in the Corps would benefit Max in a multitude of ways. He should also get his butt into synagogue. The Torah has a great deal to teach on wisdom, humility, discernment, kindness,…
Welcome to the reasonable side!
It's nice to have a serious post tempered by complete and total silliness. Reminds you in this case that these people were given swirlies in high school.
Mad Boogerthal?
Lovely Hannah has a far stronger stomach than I have. The low level of Blumenthal's hygiene is unbelievable! He didn't have a hanky, or a tissue on him, noooooooo, he had to use his hand and then ask Hannah if it was gone!!! WTF!!!
Did yo also notice it was his RIGHT hand? You would never shake hands with him after seeing this film.
I wager he also doesn't wash his hands after he's been to the toilet.
Wow, this is the best you can come up with…. he has mucous in his nose???? Really quite a journalistic operation you have hear. Very adult. Very intelligent. Very enlightening. You really nailed Blumenthal here with your booger-gate analysis…. Personally, I saw the video of Breitbart's mouth-foaming rage and I thought it was hilarious. No logic. No argument. No rhetoric. Just name-calling and insults totally consistent with a 5 year-old's behavior. This is the pinnacle of conservative journalism and thought? What a joke. I'd take the National Review over this clown-act any day. I may not agree with everything they say but at least they have a rational point, can discuss it intelligently and can pick apart their opponent's argument with analysis. Breitbar you are a clown and you a dis-service to your movement.
Max, is that you?
Andrew, I can't even begin to tell you what a breath of fresh air you are! Thankyou for all you, Hannah and James do!
You PWNed ole Max but good!
Well, I'm late with this… here's my "Max and Hannah" -'robot type theatre':
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6173777/
Yeah, it's stupid…but somebody had to do it.
I protest this scurrilous exercise in yellow snot journalism! Aside to MB: You might think it's snowing but it's snot.
Oh, shut up! You saw 'mouth-foaming rage' because that's what you wanted to see. Since you're ignorant of the facts surrounding the situation or what was actually said, I suggest you do some homework and come back when you have something intelligent to say.
"……name-calling and insults totally consistent with a 5 year-old's behavior…."
You mean like Queeg Olbermann and the whole of the MSM of late? Jack-ass!
Some one should point out the serious side:
Only a self-centered, self-conscious individual would have gone strait for the bait, in this case his own dangling bogie.
If he was focused a topic, he would have staid a topic and worried about damage control, in this case booger control, second.
Making fun of this shmuck is a bit childish, but most of us let the inner child out on some occasions.
SFDD
And as with most liberal weenies, they plant their bomb and scurry along back to the cracks and crevices with the rest of their kind, never standing up for, nor taking responsibility for, anything they say/post.
Wasn't he stalking the halls looking for easy prey and happened upon Hannah, and then when he went to leave, he ran into Andrew?
TMI
Speaking of weasel, did Olberman ever correct the O'Keefe had to get permission from his parole officer thing?
Did he put any hot sauce on that "Fresh Water Nose Oyster"?
Why are you grasping at straws instead of accepting how corrupt and morally bankrupt ACORN is?
That's nice AB first you and the Hanna show us what a little snot he is.
Hanna played him like a violin…
I'm surprised he wasn't using his thumbs to get that goober out!
EW, GROSSSSSSsss–God only knows where that nose has been.
Hannah…next time go for the wedgie!!
Good for you, girl. Hannah is a great asset for the winning (our) team.
That was funny.
You are joining so many of us reformed libs. We finally get it that the good sounding politics of progressivism destroys more than it helps. And right now they are about to totally destoy what made America great. As for all the commenters on HuffPo. Many of them are young, if you study their comments, most of them simply say how smart they are and how dumb conservatives are. They are being taught that smart people are progressives. They are being used by the left to promote these ideas–they call them useful idiots (not my term, theirs!) . They think saying "You're dumb, we're smart" somehow makes them smarter. hummmm.
I'm sure Max is traumatized, from the numerous turbo-wedgies he received in his life. Up to and including the one he just got here tonight on the internet. Nothing says "I'm a real stud" like picking your nose in a public forum.
Typical- no comment at all on the way Hannah played Blumenduh like a cheap Chinese fiddle.
[...] . . that Andrew Breitbart is a bit miffed at Max [...]
Ah Max (hehehe) You should know better than anyone on the planet that you can pick your friends, you can pick your political affiliations, you can pick your victims of character assassination, and YES you can even pick your nose. BUT YA CAN'T PICK WHERE VIDEO OF YOU MAKIN AN ASS OF YOURSELF WINDS UP! (hehe)
Do you really not get it or are simply simply being obtuse?
*sigh* – Ok, take your own post for instance. You attack Breitbart as being immature, dumb and ignorant. Then, in the very next breath you attack him personally. Breitbart has been very clear in his mission. It is to stand up, snatch the dirty tricks playbook from the leftist media and smash it back in their faces.
Forgive me if my violent imagery offended your delicate nature at all.
Oh – and thanks for your concern with our movement. I love how all of you wring your hands and fret about the future of conservatism.
I can think of one show that will make this booger picking infamous. If he had been a Tea Party member, he could have recited famous sayings, such as from Patrick Henry, from Our Revolutionary period. In a sense, he chose to disparage the Tea Party and pays the booger-picking price.
You don't read NR. If you did, you'd be more sensible.
"Really quite a journalistic operation you have hear. "
You shouldn't judge others, "andrew". I HEAR that the schools around HERE have lousy teachers.
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Will the full length movie version be called, The Snot Locker?
Too bad Mad Max didn't go for the Gold and attempt the 2nd knuckle dive.
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Max Blumenthal got some of his own medicine. Brilliant move Hannah; My guess; he went off with his tail between his legs after that one; a left hook into his pompous ego.
Why, did the floogie retract back up his nose?
She handled the situation very impressively. She must have known she was a target the second this turd walked over.
She didn't flinch, she didn't stutter, she kept her composure all the while knowing he was looking for any opening to pounce.
She took the bait, and then turned it around her attacker. Sly, very sly.
I disagree. I think now is just the exact time to go after the people behind the slime attacks. Shed the light on them, pull back the curtains, and let the whole world see the emperor that is the liberal power structure have no clothes.
These people have a very exact power structure and mode of operations. And this was a perfect example of it in action. Some guy prints lies on a web site. Guys like Max has his minions trolling the web looking for them, then they're posted as innuendos, then the innuendos become conventional wisdom. And if they eventually have to be retracted, its too late, pop culture has already moved on.
Knock a few links out of that chain and it all comes down.
Nice, you owe me a new keyboard.
Welcome aboard the S.S. Reality!
Now pull up a chair, grab a brewski, and lets get down to some serious – and fun – political analysis.
Then there were some of us who really didn't have a choice. I agree with Reagan, I didn't leave the democratic party, it left me.
And thank the good Lord it did.
"Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head." – François Guizot
Which is exactly why I do so love taking these types down in a logical debate.
Johnny Knoxville would be on my side in this argument.
I have no idea what was really said ,and in what context, because the unedited tapes are not released and never will be.
Actually I always follow up on my posts here , when I have time.
What is it with you guys and the gay jokes? It's like being back in high school.
Cojonies the size of bowling balls.
It's not like the MSM is rolling in dough these days.
I was thinking Booger in Revenge of the Nerds.
Hate to say, but I probably would have fallen for it also. But more likely to have excused myself and used the mens room.
But then again I'm a trusting person, not out to destroy the lives and reputations of people who disagree with me politically.
Being amazering is good strategery.
You sure Obama didn't say that?
The booger was really the current president's final morsel of hope for reelection–there it went!
Got it from Wikiquotes. So it could be wrong. It's usually attributed to Churchill, but apparently not – again Wikipedia.
What I would guess the President has secretly written in his Gregalouge notebook would be:
"Let me be perfectly clear, if
youryou're not a communist by the time your2o20 you have no heart (just like in that racist movie Wizard of Oz) and if you're not a socialstbutby the time you're head is just plain wrong."Ed
Now it's making way more sense…Isn't Obamster fun? he has done more for Conservatives the great Ronald R ever did … and he did alot…
Holy crap, I’d commit suicide if I got called out publicly for a booger by somebody as attractive as Ms. Giles! :^/
I never was a proglib. I grew up with one and he was a terror. Broke me of the habit early on. Sounds like you and others here were actually in a discovery process of what you really believe and there is nothing wrong with that. One thing you see on HuffPo and other proglib blogs is toxic waste spewing from the finger tips that only proglibs could come up with. They are truly an miserable people and you are not. I am happy that you have discovered yourself. That is the most important job in a person's life, to know one's self. It allows a person to live a satisfying life.
Without seeing unedited video+audio, I don't believe anything about those videos.
Hannah, you are my hero!
Wow, after the things Max said about Christopher Hitchens, I really doubt Christopher will step in and say Booger Boarding is torture. Looks like Max did himself in this time.
[...] This is great. Read the story behind it at Big Government. [...]
Yup!
It is well time we outlawed Libs’ despicable tactic of baselessly shouting “racist!” in a crowded country for cheap political games.
So you're more concerned with what James was wearing and not what the ACORN employees were saying and what they were planning on doing. Again Breitbart didn't lie.
Actually he did lie , here's a quote from his own Washington Times article:
"When filmmaker and provocateur James O'Keefe came to my office to show me the video of him and his friend, Hannah Giles, going to the Baltimore offices of ACORN – the nation's foremost "community organizers" – dressed as a pimp and a prostitute and asking for – and getting – help for various illegal activities, he sought my advice."
[...] upside down. And Stacy McCain, predictably enough, takes the low road. Is there some kind of a Max Blumenthal [...]
Way to go Hannah!!!
It's an art form to "bring out the best in someone"…
LOL!
Palmtree, if you saw the videos he goes in dressed as a preppie, says he needs the pimp money to run for congress.
Go watch the videos, ya dolt.
I don't care who you are, THAT IS FUNNY!!!!
"infinite potential" as one could only grow from his current stage or remain stagnant, one couldn't get any lower.
trying to change the subject with a slanderous accusation? Typical of someone without the truth on their side……… Try again simpleton.
A disgusting person at his best.
And I just bet you're first in line to see every Michael Moore epic.
Better change that by line to Max Boogerthal
He probably wrote his thesis on Michael Moore.
So lemme get this straight:
Breitbart accuses Blumenthal of attempting to "destroy" people using "Alinsky" tactics? Hypocrisy much? So O'Keefe going around to ACORN offices dressed as a pimp with his girlfriend dressed as a hooker and trying to convince employees to help them evade taxes on hidden camera is what exactly? And then getting ACORN's funding pulled resulting in an unknown amount of indiscriminate job losses, regardless of whether the employees had anything to do with anything since the bottom line has shrunk. So people who may have been doing an honest job get punished. People who are probably living paycheck to paycheck.
The difference between O'Keefe and Blumenthal is that O'Keefe goes after poor people and tries to eliminate their income and disrupt their lives. Wow, what a big man. It must have made him feel so big, so huuuuge that he cooked up a dipshit plot to try to get into a federal building dressed as a phone tech. This guy is your hero?
Blumenthal goes after over privileged frat boy types like O'Keefe and his master Breitbart and Breitbart doesn't like that. Poor baby. And O'Keefe is a racist, any fool could see that.
People like this live in a special, fantasical place.
Good job WeWee!
So confusing. I guess this is what ideology does to you- it sometime blinds you.
This video isn't funny, and no one owned Blumenthal. Hannah looks like a fool here. Oh, golly, she pretended he had a booger! LoLz LoLz!
Maybe next time she can say he did a poopie in his pants?
This is just idiotic, and I have a feeling most here would say so if it was a liberal pulling a grade school prank.
Hilarious. So what you're saying is you're cool with groups like ACORN trying to assist people in committing felonies? These people are, in no way, doing an "honest job." The group is being punished because it has a series of offenses, the whole trying to assist underage prostitution thing being just one of those offenses.
I want to know the whole story. I want to know how many of the offices told them to get lost as opposed to how many agreed to help them. Your boys here aren't forthcoming with that info, and originally said that they weren't turned away from any offices until a police report surfaced. Then they changed their story.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/acorn-ceo-claims-p...
It isn't journalism when the "journalists" withhold information pertinent to the story. And as for ACORN being one giant criminal organization: Well, you could potentially uncover corruption at various police stations in bad neighborhoods in various cities and claim that all police are corrupt by your logic.
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[...] else could utter such fatuous nonsense with a straight face but “Booger” Max Blumenthal, ”independent journalist” and son of Clinton flack Sid “Vicious” [...]
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