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	<title>Comments on: JournoList: &#8230;Yes, But the Reporters at Pravda Weren&#8217;t Such Insufferable Assholes</title>
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		<title>By: BuckeyeTexan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckeyeTexan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sources: 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/25/the-death-of-journolist-does-privacy-end-at-the-edge-of-your-th/)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/25/the-death-of-journolist-does-privacy-end-at-the-edge-of-your-th/)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/after-journolist)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/after-journolist)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/17/politico-the-secret-liberal-journalist-cabal/)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/17/politico-the-secret-liberal-journalist-cabal/)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/who-doesnt-love-the-journolist.html)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/who-doesnt-love-the-journolist.html)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/jun/25/usa)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/jun/25/usa)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.frumforum.com/the-inside-scoop-on-journolist)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.frumforum.com/the-inside-scoop-on-journolist)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://twitter.com/TimFernholz)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://twitter.com/TimFernholz)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://twitter.com/DanaGoldstein)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://twitter.com/DanaGoldstein)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/9/22/142845/064?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalkleftThePoliticsOfCrime+%28TalkLeft%3A+The+Politics+of+Crime%29)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/9/22/142845/064?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalkleftThePoliticsOfCrime+%28TalkLeft%3A+The+Politics+of+Crime%29)&lt;/a&gt; 
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://www.frumforum.com/responding-to-john-hawkins)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;(http://www.frumforum.com/responding-to-john-hawkins)&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sources:<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/25/the-death-of-journolist-does-privacy-end-at-the-edge-of-your-th/)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/25/the-death-of-journolist-does-privacy-end-at-the-edge-of-your-th/" rel="nofollow">http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/25/the-death-of-journolist-does-privacy-end-at-the-edge-of-your-th/</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/after-journolist)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/after-journolist" rel="nofollow">http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/after-journolist</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/17/politico-the-secret-liberal-journalist-cabal/)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/17/politico-the-secret-liberal-journalist-cabal/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/17/politico-the-secret-liberal-journalist-cabal/</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/who-doesnt-love-the-journolist.html)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/who-doesnt-love-the-journolist.html" rel="nofollow">http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/who-doesnt-love-the-journolist.html</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/jun/25/usa)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/jun/25/usa" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/jun/25/usa</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.frumforum.com/the-inside-scoop-on-journolist)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.frumforum.com/the-inside-scoop-on-journolist" rel="nofollow">http://www.frumforum.com/the-inside-scoop-on-journolist</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://twitter.com/TimFernholz)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://twitter.com/TimFernholz" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/TimFernholz</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://twitter.com/DanaGoldstein)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://twitter.com/DanaGoldstein" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/DanaGoldstein</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/9/22/142845/064?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalkleftThePoliticsOfCrime+%28TalkLeft%3A+The+Politics+of+Crime%29)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/9/22/142845/064?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalkleftThePoliticsOfCrime+%28TalkLeft%3A+The+Politics+of+Crime%29" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/9/22/142845/064?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalkleftThePoliticsOfCrime+%28TalkLeft%3A+The+Politics+of+Crime%29</a>)<br />
 <a href="http://(http://www.frumforum.com/responding-to-john-hawkins)" target="_blank">(</a><a href="http://www.frumforum.com/responding-to-john-hawkins" rel="nofollow">http://www.frumforum.com/responding-to-john-hawkins</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: BuckeyeTexan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckeyeTexan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journolist Members  
1. Ezra Klein 2. Dave Weigel 3. Matthew Yglesias 4. David Dayen 5. Spencer Ackerman  
6. Jeffrey Toobin 7. Eric Alterman 8. Paul Krugman 9. John Judis 10. Eve Fairbanks  
11. Mike Allen 12. Ben Smith 13. Lisa Lerer 14. Joe Klein 15. Brad DeLong  
16. Chris Hayes 17. Matt Duss 18. Jonathan Chait 19. Jesse Singal 20. Michael Cohen  
21. Isaac Chotiner 22. Katha Pollitt 23. Alyssa Rosenberg 24. Rick Perlstein 25. Alex Rossmiller  
26. Ed Kilgore 27. Walter Shapiro 28. Noam Scheiber 29. Michael Tomasky 30. Rich Yesels  
31. Tim Fernholz 32. Dana Goldstein 33. Jonathan Cohn 34. Scott Winship  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journolist Members<br />
1. Ezra Klein 2. Dave Weigel 3. Matthew Yglesias 4. David Dayen 5. Spencer Ackerman<br />
6. Jeffrey Toobin 7. Eric Alterman 8. Paul Krugman 9. John Judis 10. Eve Fairbanks<br />
11. Mike Allen 12. Ben Smith 13. Lisa Lerer 14. Joe Klein 15. Brad DeLong<br />
16. Chris Hayes 17. Matt Duss 18. Jonathan Chait 19. Jesse Singal 20. Michael Cohen<br />
21. Isaac Chotiner 22. Katha Pollitt 23. Alyssa Rosenberg 24. Rick Perlstein 25. Alex Rossmiller<br />
26. Ed Kilgore 27. Walter Shapiro 28. Noam Scheiber 29. Michael Tomasky 30. Rich Yesels<br />
31. Tim Fernholz 32. Dana Goldstein 33. Jonathan Cohn 34. Scott Winship</p>
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		<title>By: JoanOfArgghh</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoanOfArgghh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, she gave Clinton a virtual &quot;Lewinsky&quot; as surely as Monica did.  And she&#039;s not some giddy little prepster, but a &quot;serious human being&quot; or some other virtuous assessment of herself. And there she admits to being on her knees before Clinton, and now Obama. 
 
Ask Monica what names she was called by the Left. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, she gave Clinton a virtual &quot;Lewinsky&quot; as surely as Monica did.  And she&#039;s not some giddy little prepster, but a &quot;serious human being&quot; or some other virtuous assessment of herself. And there she admits to being on her knees before Clinton, and now Obama. </p>
<p>Ask Monica what names she was called by the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: dustrider1</title>
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		<dc:creator>dustrider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a metaphor, dude. I&#039;m not suggesting Spencer Ackerman literally wanted to hide down in some Long Island Railroad station in Queens waiting to snuff out Freddy&#039;s life (oh, wait, that was Michael Tomasky saying the Journolist clan should &quot;kill ABC&quot; over the Obama-Clinton debate questions. And, no, I don&#039;t think Mikey was being literal there, either). 
 
If some of the other members of Journolist were horrified, outraged, or at least a tad bit miffed at Ackerman&#039;s scheme, we would have heard something about this in the Spring of 2008, just after the thread was active, and not in the summer of 2010, a year after the website was outed and a month after it was shut down over &lt;i&gt;l&#039;affaire Weigel&lt;/i&gt;. The fact that -- for whatever reason -- there was no public mention of this, let alone repudiation, for 26 months shows that at the very least, if the other list members weren&#039;t at least mildly sympathetic to the idea, they were intimidated that the other J-list members would retaliate against them if they ratted anyone out, and as a result, said nothing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s a metaphor, dude. I&#039;m not suggesting Spencer Ackerman literally wanted to hide down in some Long Island Railroad station in Queens waiting to snuff out Freddy&#039;s life (oh, wait, that was Michael Tomasky saying the Journolist clan should &quot;kill ABC&quot; over the Obama-Clinton debate questions. And, no, I don&#039;t think Mikey was being literal there, either). </p>
<p>If some of the other members of Journolist were horrified, outraged, or at least a tad bit miffed at Ackerman&#039;s scheme, we would have heard something about this in the Spring of 2008, just after the thread was active, and not in the summer of 2010, a year after the website was outed and a month after it was shut down over <i>l&#039;affaire Weigel</i>. The fact that &#8212; for whatever reason &#8212; there was no public mention of this, let alone repudiation, for 26 months shows that at the very least, if the other list members weren&#039;t at least mildly sympathetic to the idea, they were intimidated that the other J-list members would retaliate against them if they ratted anyone out, and as a result, said nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: sharpshiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharpshiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  This is just sickening.  I already knew that these &quot;journalists&quot; were biased as all hell.  What I didn&#039;t know is that they were conspiring &#8212; &lt;i&gt;literally&lt;/i&gt; conspiring &#8212; behind closed doors to spin the news beyond all recognition. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  This is just sickening.  I already knew that these &quot;journalists&quot; were biased as all hell.  What I didn&#039;t know is that they were conspiring &mdash; <i>literally</i> conspiring &mdash; behind closed doors to spin the news beyond all recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: Kidtwist88</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kidtwist88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you seriously comparing Freddy &quot;The Beetle&quot; Barnes to Kitty Genovese? Sometimes, I don&#039;t even know. 
 
We don&#039;t know that no liberals spoke up, and even if they hadn&#039;t, it wouldn&#039;t matter because there never was a campaign to paint Fred Barnes as a racist. Ackerman is an excitable guy, that&#039;s all. We knew all this before. Let&#039;s focus on the real bias in the em-es-em. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you seriously comparing Freddy &quot;The Beetle&quot; Barnes to Kitty Genovese? Sometimes, I don&#039;t even know. </p>
<p>We don&#039;t know that no liberals spoke up, and even if they hadn&#039;t, it wouldn&#039;t matter because there never was a campaign to paint Fred Barnes as a racist. Ackerman is an excitable guy, that&#039;s all. We knew all this before. Let&#039;s focus on the real bias in the em-es-em.</p>
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		<title>By: petie3</title>
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		<dc:creator>petie3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conspiracy was revealed to me when I observed questions on ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN within five minutes of each other on Sunday Morning talk shows: &#039;Please comment on the NAACP&#039;s allegation that the TEA Party is racist&#039; or words to that effect.  This is harking back to the Begala/Carville/Daschle DNC fax machine to the networks telling them their daily talking points. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conspiracy was revealed to me when I observed questions on ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN within five minutes of each other on Sunday Morning talk shows: &#039;Please comment on the NAACP&#039;s allegation that the TEA Party is racist&#039; or words to that effect.  This is harking back to the Begala/Carville/Daschle DNC fax machine to the networks telling them their daily talking points.</p>
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		<title>By: s_c_f</title>
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		<dc:creator>s_c_f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just stop buying their products.  It would also be useful to maintain a list of these types of people so we know which media outlets to avoid. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just stop buying their products.  It would also be useful to maintain a list of these types of people so we know which media outlets to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: s_c_f</title>
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		<dc:creator>s_c_f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being dishonest is not a crime. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being dishonest is not a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: s_c_f</title>
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		<dc:creator>s_c_f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re confirming with their comments things that the right has been suspecting all along. 
 
One of them is that the left uses the knee-jerk racist card as a tactic, not because of any perceived racism, but as a tactic to attempt to discredit their opponents. 
 
Another one is that many journalists have no intention of objective reporting.  They are not in it for the news.  They are in it to be propagandists.  The are not in it to show people the truth.  They are in it to fool people with lies.  
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#039;re confirming with their comments things that the right has been suspecting all along. </p>
<p>One of them is that the left uses the knee-jerk racist card as a tactic, not because of any perceived racism, but as a tactic to attempt to discredit their opponents. </p>
<p>Another one is that many journalists have no intention of objective reporting.  They are not in it for the news.  They are in it to be propagandists.  The are not in it to show people the truth.  They are in it to fool people with lies.</p>
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