When the nine members of the Hutaree militia group were arrested in late March near Adrian, Michigan, the MSM ran hard with the story. Within 48 hours, the template was set: A “right-wing extremist Christian” militia group had been planning to wreak havoc by killing law enforcement officers as a way to engage a wider war against the government.
Soon the MSM had the Hutarees tried, convicted and jailed.
Throughout most of April, the story faded from the news and left behind the public assumption that the Hutarees’ diabolical plot had been thwarted by the FBI in the nick of time.
Then, at an April 27 court hearing concerning the group’s disposition as they awaited trial, the lead FBI agent in the case against the Hutarees was called to testify before U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts. That’s when, according to the Detroit News, the government’s case started showing some serious cracks;
A federal judge had harsh words for prosecutors Tuesday after an FBI agent called to testify in the Hutaree militia case told the court she learned she would take the stand only shortly before the hearing began.
Special Agent Leslie Larsen, the agent in charge of the case in which nine people are accused of plotting to kill police officers and wage war against the U.S. government, did not know the answers to many of the questions she was asked and did not have her notes with her.
“I share the frustration of the defense … with all of the responses that are coming from this witness that she doesn’t know anything,” said U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts.
A few days later, the fissures in the government’s case against the Hutarees widened when, on May 3, Judge Roberts ordered the release on bond of the nine members of the Hutarees, over the objections of federal prosecutors. In her 36-page ruling, Roberts wrote:
The Government relies on the seriousness of the charges as well, to argue that Defendants must be held without bond, because they present a danger to the community. While the Government argues that the Defendants are also a flight risk, its reasons are not persuasive. Importantly, the Court’s Pretrial Services Agency concludes that the Defendants do not present such a risk. Dangerousness then, is the Court’s major concern in assessing whether Defendants should be released on bond.
While the Government contends that the crimes charged against Defendants go well beyond speech, there is no doubt that controversial, offensive and hate-filled speech is implicated. In their defense, the Defendants disagree that this case implicates anything other than speech, and, that whatever they said, did not amount to a conspiracy to commit illegal acts…
The United States is correct that it need not wait until people are killed before it arrests conspirators. But, the Defendants are also correct: their right to engage in hate-filled, venomous speech is a right that deserves First Amendment protection...
The Court reviewed all exhibits, testimony, and proffers, and finds that each Defendant produced sufficient evidence to rebut the presumption in favor of detention. The Government fails to persuade the Court, by a preponderance of the evidence, that there are no conditions that will reasonably assure the Defendants’ appearance in Court as required. The Government also fails to persuade the Court by clear and convincing evidence, that there are no conditions that will reasonably assure the safety of the community, if Defendants are released.
The release has been delayed until 5 p.m. tomorrow pending a possible government motion whether to appeal the ruling.
So, the nine members of group profiled by the Department of Justice and the MSM as representing an imminent right-wing extremist danger have been released on bond by a judge who surveyed the evidence and concluded that the government hadn’t made the case that the Hutarees represented a clear and present danger to “the safety of the community.” Instead, they appear to be most guilty of shooting off their mouths – a practice still protected, in most cases, by the First Amendment.
Here’s the question the MSM needs to ask, but won’t: Was this flamboyant raid primarily driven by political rather than law enforcement motives?
Was the arrest of the Hutaree militia Attorney General Eric Holder’s effort to manufacture an imminent right-wing extremist threat for political purposes?
Just asking.
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That would be a YES! to that last question.
Let's see; black individuals brandishing clubs and knives outside of a voting location == dismissed/no prosecution.
However; drunken whites talking to each other about what they'll do when the revolution starts == NATIONAL THREAT!
Does anyone else see there might be cause for concern that these two case were handled differently due to RACE?
Agents Provacateur………………….nuff said
I don't think it looks odd: it looks downright diabolical. I knew it would be when every newscaster would say " a CHRISTIAN milita group. they tipped their hand a little too soon. ROTFLMHO
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During Clinton's administration we had Waco and Ruby Ridge. Nothing during the Bush years. Now during Obama's reign it starts again-beginning with Hutaree. What gives with these Democrats?
Welcome to Chicago rules, where the thugs work for the government, and will use you when they deem it necessary.
I'll be happy on the day I see that they have sued the FBI for unlawful prosecution!
Remember folks, free speech is only allowed if you're in agreement with the left. Any other time? it's deemed illegal!
A resounding yes to your last inquiry!!!! Wonder why we had a failed attack them (whose name can not be whispered for fear of Jihad), because big sis, the IRS, the Progressive/Socialist in charge, and big government will bow in dhimmitude and turn its sights on the people of the United States. Either to oppress us or steal all they can to redistribute and line the pockets of the politicians….Errrr…our enlightened leaders. (LMAO)
Street theatre by the progressives (cancer) to intimidate and censor citizens from exercising their God-given Rights. What's the fun of being a fascist government without using scapegoats and scaring people.
Remember the anarchist groups always talk smack about over throwing the USA — that is their goal. But nothing eve happens to them because it is free speech — can't do anything until they do something. So sorry. Works both ways.
Besides, militia groups believe in the Constitution and think they should be ready to maintain the rule of law in the event of civil break down and disorder caused by economic collapse. Which is not so far fetched when one looks at Europe and sees what is coming down the tracks towards us too.
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There you go again Mr. Carey, you know you aren't supposed to be looking behind the curtain. Now just have a seat and shut up so the administration can continue with their little show for all the MSM so they can report how evil and dangerous the people are that don't agree. How dare that judge bring up the first amendment in this case and attempt to hold the government to the responsibility of providing proof of actual crimes. How can the country be "fundamentally transformed" with such scrutiny?
And after it turns out they're all registered Democrats… *poof* goes the case.
These Hutaree folks, however, didn't beat the hell out of a Republican political operative and put her in the hospital. Anarchists, however, did.
The Michiagn Militia put itself on the map during the Clinton years. At one point it was the largest militia group in the country. So where do you think the FBI would go to look for some militia-types to round up? They thought they hit the jackpot. But instead they found a few home-boy Michiganders in camos, mourning the end of turkey hunting season, drinkin' too much beer, and ranting about how they hate government. Oooo, I'm skeered.
From the mug shots you can tell right away we have a bunch of "bitter clingers"…To what?
God, Guns, and Country….
Obama and Holder are lucky, with these folks bein' sooo dangerous,
that we didn't have another Waco on our hands…
Amazing , That this CRAP , is happening , Where is the OUT-CRY ?
They weren't necessarily Christians. Or at least not fervently so. That was part of the early headlines but it didn't hold up. Neither did the headlines about them being 'right wing' considering at least one of them was a registered dem.
This was a very evil ploy to create an enemy and may still get these people thrown in prison for exercising their right to free speech. Despicable on all levels.
The difference is not based on race – it's based on "social justice" …. ok, ok, maybe race has a lil something to do with it, but mostly it is "social justice". You know…. "NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE"
I knew from the get go these guys were no threat. Bizzare theology yes, dangerous kooks no. Problem is how do they sue the feds for false arrest. They can't. Pretty soon its FEMA camps for political oponants. I am sure I will be one of the first to go. at least I will have choice of top or bottom bunk.
I am glad they arrested them instead of having another Ruby Ridge. I am glad the Government has no real case and think some Feds need their backside kicked to Hell and back. I only hope the Hutaree can heal and move on and put this behind them even though it will not be easy on them. I am ashamed of the Government with all their observation and knowledge that they really had no probable cause. Shame on them if this is their best shot. I am not a Militia fan nor opponent but worry that the government is looking for excuses these days. Tis a sad dark time for our Country. Come on November so we can begin the redemption!
Recently the Obama Administration has been shifting the focus of Homeland Security away from Muslim terrorists and toward American terrorists (can't be blaming his bros, can we?).
The pillar of honesty, Bill (I did not have sex with that woman) Clinton, blames Americans who advocate smaller government for the actions of Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh. At the time of the bombing, then President Clinton blamed radio talk shows (sound familiar?).
Who are these "American terrorists?" A bunch of militia groups exercising their Constitutional rights, running around in the woods playing soldier? Who have they attacked? Who have they hurt?
Perhaps we should take a closer look…
American Terrorists… http://usataxpayer.org/?0032219510
Islam – The Religion of Peace… http://usataxpayer.org/?0088070911
Recently the Obama Administration has been shifting the focus of Homeland Security away from Muslim terrorists and toward American terrorists (can't be blaming his bros, can we?).
The pillar of honesty, Bill (I did not have sex with that woman) Clinton, blames Americans who advocate smaller government for the actions of Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh. At the time of the bombing, then President Clinton blamed radio talk shows (sound familiar?).
Who are these "American terrorists?" A bunch of militia groups exercising their Constitutional rights, running around in the woods playing soldier? Who have they attacked? Who have they hurt?
Perhaps we should take a closer look…
American Terrorists… http://usataxpayer.org/?0032219510
Islam – The Religion of Peace… http://usataxpayer.org/?0088070911
You mean they haven't been executed yet? After the first reports, I figured they would do that ASAP.
The obvious answer is yes, why would you expect anything less from these vermin?
You hit the nail on the head, my friend!
OK, so if that's the militia and they intended to harm government employees, it certainly looks like they had enough fire power to defend themselves. But not a shot was fired? As home-grown terrorist militias go, I'd say this one is a pussycat.
This seems very odd indeed.
I don't think it looks odd: it looks downright diabolical. I knew it would be when every newscaster would say " a CHRISTIAN milita group. they tipped their hand a little too soon. ROTFLMHO
As far as recreational MSM reading goes, the outcome of this one was way too easy.
During Clinton's administration we had Waco and Ruby Ridge. Nothing during the Bush years. Now during Obama's reign it starts again-beginning with Hutaree. What gives with these Democrats?
During Clinton's administration we had Waco and Ruby Ridge. Nothing during the Bush years. Now during Obama's reign it starts again-beginning with Hutaree. What gives with these Democrats?
I'm sure the people actually talking about creating havoc were the FBI's paid informants trying to push the group into declaring war against worlds largest empire. 8 people against the US Army? come on. Like 8 people really pose a threat to King Obama. this was a political show trail or was supposed to be.
Archy Cary
"Here’s the question the MSM needs to ask, but won’t: Was this flamboyant raid primarily driven by political rather than law enforcement motives?"
"Was the arrest of the Hutaree militia Attorney General Eric Holder’s effort to manufacture an imminent right-wing extremist threat for political purposes?"
I'm thinkin' these are rhetorical questions…? No??
If they hadn't been in jail, I'm sure they would have been "persons of real interest" in the NY bombing attempt,…along with the mythical "blond guy"….
These people are so transparent….But not in the way they promised…
"Was the arrest of the Hutaree militia Attorney General Eric Holder’s effort to manufacture an imminent right-wing extremist threat for political purposes?"
Have you ever heard of a question that answers itself?
Does the author here or anyone hear much about that white muslim guy from last year who "allegedly" was planning terrorists attacks like this group with that nearly the same hints of Fed incompetence as in this here? The feds "leaked" snippets of info on the story for about 2 weeks than near silence since then. He was caught alone with like 6 muslims and his son. The info was vague and seem a bit more like they were leaking just enough information to make them look bad but nothing that actually suggested they committed any crime like this miltia group.
Furthermore, did anyone pay attention to those two separate men who had a fake bomb provided by the feds to blow up two different buildings. One in Illinois and one in Texas. The admitted they randomly pick each up in a chat room expressing interest in committing terrorist acts, the feds started talking to them and worked on them for a few months. Then set up the time, place and provided fake bombs. Anyone else thought that looked a little bit odd how the Feds handled that? Anyone can go to any sort of chat room, message board or forum and find people talking trash about wanting to do all kinds of stupid things, it does not mean from all their talk that they actually mean or plan to go through with it.
Are our fed agents complete morons?
Yes, Holder was looking for a white group to lynch publicly for political purposes.
Remember, he also dismissed the case against the black panther billy-clubbers intimidating the white voters. But what most don't realize, is that Holder also demoted the white career civil rights lawyer in his DOJ for bringing the case.
Obama also fired the white Inspector General in California who was investigating the black mayor of Sacramento for bribery. There is a pattern of politicizing race and racism in this White house that is egregious.
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There you go again Mr. Carey, you know you aren't supposed to be looking behind the curtain. Now just have a seat and shut up so the administration can continue with their little show for all the MSM so they can report how evil and dangerous the people are that don't agree. How dare that judge bring up the first amendment in this case and attempt to hold the government to the responsibility of providing proof of actual crimes. How can the country be "fundamentally transformed" with such scrutiny?
There you go again Mr. Carey, you know you aren't supposed to be looking behind the curtain. Now just have a seat and shut up so the administration can continue with their little show for all the MSM so they can report how evil and dangerous the people are that don't agree. How dare that judge bring up the first amendment in this case and attempt to hold the government to the responsibility of providing proof of actual crimes. How can the country be "fundamentally transformed" with such scrutiny?
The people in our government today need to leave.
Everything, repeat everything done by the current administration has a political purpose. That it may serve some other purpose is simply luck (good or bad, depending on your point of view).
Was the arrest of the Hutaree militia Attorney General Eric Holder’s effort to manufacture an imminent right-wing extremist threat for political purposes?
Do you really have to ask?
I knew this case would fall apart a bunch of Christian Americans killing a police officer they didnt even know so they could attack other police officers it never made sense. If they wanted to go on a suicide mission they could just load up the minivan and head to Washington.
And after it turns out they're all registered Democrats… *poof* goes the case.
These people, Hutaree, have had their lives turned upside down by a regime that has no respect or regard for our Constitution. They voiced opinions, they exercised their Constitutionally protected rights. That, to our current government, is equal to sedition, to an attempt to wage war against the United States.
I believe this entire situation is a message from our very nervous President to anyone or any group that thinks he is a disgrace and a danger to our country and might be willing to speak up about it. Keep in mind that these arrests followed on the heels of the SPLC's article stating that militia and patriot groups had increased by some 200 percent since the Barack's reign began.
Imagine if King Barack and his regime could actually determine for us which speech is acceptable and which is not. Do you doubt for a second that they wouldn't do it? Think about what that means. What it says about the precarious state of our Republic. They would erase any sign that the first amendment ever existed if they could. These people are a danger to everything this country stands for.
come on, didn't you see tred dawn. high school kids living off the land, killing bad guys. oh, wait, that was before computer games, texting, sexting, and facebook. and, come to think of it, that was only a movie, not a real militia, only actors on the screen, kinda like our current president, he acts like a president, but not even a b-movie would hire this guy.
Do you know something we don't? I know Fred Phelps the (in)famous anti gay, funeral protester and his group are democratics.
Do you know something we don't? I know Fred Phelps the (in)famous anti gay, funeral protester and his group are democratics.
Hate speech eh? They are pretty scary looking indeed. I'm not going to the Ugly Stick Card. That's just not nice.
These people should know most cops have enough crap on their hands to have to deal with side freak shows. But wouldn't putting one person on surveillance have been cheaper than putting lawyers to work. How hard is that?
One Navy Seal could run circles around these yahoos.
Hate speech eh? They are pretty scary looking indeed. I'm not going to the Ugly Stick Card. That's just not nice.
These people should know most cops have enough crap on their hands to have to deal with side freak shows. But wouldn't putting one person on surveillance have been cheaper than putting lawyers to work. How hard is that?
One Navy Seal could run circles around these yahoos.
These Hutaree folks, however, didn't beat the hell out of a Republican political operative and put her in the hospital. Anarchists, however, did.
The Michiagn Militia put itself on the map during the Clinton years. At one point it was the largest militia group in the country. So where do you think the FBI would go to look for some militia-types to round up? They thought they hit the jackpot. But instead they found a few home-boy Michiganders in camos, mourning the end of turkey hunting season, drinkin' too much beer, and ranting about how they hate government. Oooo, I'm skeered.
Are the Hutaree out there? Probably. Did the FBI overreact? Most likely. Is there a politically-motivated agenda against all things that would appear or seem or be perceived as anti-Obama administration? You bet your ass!
[...] The ‘Hutaree Militia’ Case Starts To Unravel — On First Amendment Grounds Posted by Archy Cary May 4th 2010 at 6:07 pm When the nine members of the Hutaree militia group were arrested in late March near Adrian, Michigan, the MSM ran hard with the story. Within 48 hours, the template was set: A “right-wing extremist Christian” militia group had been planning to wreak havoc by killing law enforcement officers as a way to engage a wider war against the government. Soon the MSM had the Hutarees tried, convicted and jailed. Throughout most of April, the story faded from the news and left behind the public assumption that the Hutarees’ diabolical plot had been thwarted by the FBI in the nick of time. Then, at an April 27 court hearing concerning the group’s disposition as they awaited trial, the lead FBI agent in the case against the Hutarees was called to testify before U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts. That’s when, according to the Detroit News, the government’s case started showing some serious cracks;A federal judge had harsh words for prosecutors Tuesday after an FBI agent called to testify in the Hutaree militia case told the court she learned she would take the stand only shortly before the hearing began. Special Agent Leslie Larsen, the agent in charge of the case in which nine people are accused of plotting to kill police officers and wage war against the U.S. government, did not know the answers to many of the questions she was asked and did not have her notes with her. “I share the frustration of the defense … with all of the responses that are coming from this witness that she doesn’t know anything,” said U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts. A few days later, the fissures in the government’s case against the Hutarees widened when, on May 3, Judge Roberts ordered the release on bond of the nine members of the Hutarees, over the objections of federal prosecutors. In her 36-page ruling, Roberts wrote:The Government relies on the seriousness of the charges as well, to argue that Defendants must be held without bond, because they present a danger to the community. While the Government argues that the Defendants are also a flight risk, its reasons are not persuasive. Importantly, the Court’s Pretrial Services Agency concludes that the Defendants do not present such a risk. Dangerousness then, is the Court’s major concern in assessing whether Defendants should be released on bond. While the Government contends that the crimes charged against Defendants go well beyond speech, there is no doubt that controversial, offensive and hate-filled speech is implicated. In their defense, the Defendants disagree that this case implicates anything other than speech, and, that whatever they said, did not amount to a conspiracy to commit illegal acts… The United States is correct that it need not wait until people are killed before it arrests conspirators. But, the Defendants are also correct: their right to engage in hate-filled, venomous speech is a right that deserves First Amendment protection… The Court reviewed all exhibits, testimony, and proffers, and finds that each Defendant produced sufficient evidence to rebut the presumption in favor of detention. The Government fails to persuade the Court, by a preponderance of the evidence, that there are no conditions that will reasonably assure the Defendants’ appearance in Court as required. The Government also fails to persuade the Court by clear and convincing evidence, that there are no conditions that will reasonably assure the safety of the community, if Defendants are released. The release has been delayed until 5 p.m. tomorrow pending a possible government motion whether to appeal the ruling. So, the nine members of group profiled by the Department of Justice and the MSM as representing an imminent right-wing extremist danger have been released on bond by a judge who surveyed the evidence and concluded that the government hadn’t made the case that the Hutarees represented a clear and present danger to “the safety of the community.” Instead, they appear to be most guilty of shooting off their mouths – a practice still protected, in most cases, by the First Amendment. Here’s the question the MSM needs to ask, but won’t: Was this flamboyant raid primarily driven by political rather than law enforcement motives? Was the arrest of the Hutaree militia Attorney General Eric Holder’s effort to manufacture an imminent right-wing extremist threat for political purposes? Just asking. [...]
You know? When you use logic like this it utterly confuses the Liberals and gves them hives! Then they start calling you nasty names! You should really try to understand them and not give them bad self esteem. NOT!!!
Rolly
I've read accounts that say the 'TWO' Feebee plants in the organization worked and proded for two months or more trying to get the language and tempers to the point is was worth recording for evidense! They baited and cajoled and entrapped these people with NO regard for their Copnstitutional Rights. Of course, nothing will be done to those 'Crafty' agents. Just like those 'Clowns' on Ruby Ridge or Waco. They got promotions and lucretive outside contracts and not one day in jail! Monstrous and massively disturbing to say the least!
Rolly
I thought about trying to understand lefties once. I changed my mind when I found out the lobotomy was irreversible.
This case is unraveling on 1st amendment grounds, what about 2nd amendment grounds?
white people with camo and guns – ohhhh scary, he Holder – BOO!
Where are the New Black Panthers and why are those assholes exempt from scruitiny?
That fraud organization SPLC likes to stir the pot. Talk about a hate group, SPLC and the whores Dees and Potak fit the bill.
I think you hit the nail on the head there Kyle!
anyone else notice these guys were arrested just prior to Mr. Obama's speech at the University of Michigan (just a few miles away)? just a coincidence??
Ohhh James….you ask to much from the amateurish Obamao Regime….
"NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE" ….. no wait, uh, ….. "SOCIAL JUSTICE" ….. no wait, uh, …. "REVOLUCION SIN BORDERS" ….. no wait, hey i'm new at this whole marxist revolutionary thing, i'll get it right sooner or later.
The New Black Panthers are to be a division in our dear leader's Brownshit Army.
I remember seeing the county sheriff after the Clinton's Waco dog and pony show. He said that if he had a chance to talk to David Korash, he was of the opinion that Korash would voluntarily allow the ATF to visit his compound and look around if they had told him to. The Feds called the news media to follow along (but did not notify the local authorities) with them to film the "take down" of these Christian fanatics. That's how the media got the video to show of the Davidians cutting up the bust. The Davidians were paranoid of the government, but not unreasonable. They regarded the Waco raid as a deadly and unjustified attack, and truely felt that their lives were threatened. The Davidians were not breaking law, but just regarded by the current administration as a threat to the US Gov. Same thing maybe with this bunch of rednecks in MI. Just a dog and pony show for the left-wing koolaid drinkers. Makes me sick that we have people in power who are not clear thinkers. The idiot Napolianto needs to be kicked to curb.
Obama should have done that after the failed airliner bombing at Detroit. All the dancing around trying to avoid suggesting that there might be an islamic link to the Times Sq bombing attempt. makes me want to puke.
Oh, yeah, that sounds kind of like when US agents would provide terrorists with fake bombs and then tell them to set them off in a building.
There were a few cases during the Bush admin the agents essentially recruited people and got them to act with fake bombs.
You know, if those terrorists I mentioned, or if this militia, weren't such insane violent people who don't care about our Constitutional rights and just want to kill us, then maybe they wouldn't have these problems on their hands.
Or same thing in Waco: people were stockpiling illegal weapons for use in violent acts against US civilians.
I knew from the get go these guys were no threat. Bizzare theology yes, dangerous kooks no. Problem is how do they sue the feds for false arrest. They can't. Pretty soon its FEMA camps for political oponants. I am sure I will be one of the first to go. at least I will have choice of top or bottom bunk.
I'd say that wacky paintball guys are next – and the New Black Pathers will STILL be exempt from being bothered by Okenyan & his posse.
You know, the MSM can't wait until they can sink their teeth into some type of white wing christian militia. Every time lately that something happens it is coming from the hateful leftist or Islamist. For example, Amy Bishop,the liberal professor, or the suicide pilot (a bush hater), to name a few. Oh, and never mind Bill Ayers, sitting in at white house events. He is the underground leader of this current administrations movement to change our country. Then you have Eric Holder, still wanting to hold terror trials in NYC even after the latest bombing attempt. Oh and the decision to hold 40 gitmo detainees indefinitely after promising not too. I know I am getting off track, but we are going to have all troops out of Iraq by July, anyone taking bets on that one?
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It's ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
Can we say "Cloward-Piven Strategy," http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.a...
Other wise known as the Alinsky solution. http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky….
End game reveled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA&fe...
And If you disagree with me, you must be a homophobic, BABY EATING CANNIBAL, NUT JOB RACIST!" So there.
Thank God we are six months away from fundamentally changing this country back to what is should be…..
;^)
Our government can let anarchists roam free letting them smash and burn yet imagine a masked christian doing the same thing. Bring in the swat. This administration is pushing buttons and lighting fires. I for the life of me can't understand WHY they would do this knowing what could happen. Only pikes lining the streets of washington will stop the greed. Hell, They can't even police themselves and when they do it's barely a slap on the wrist compared to 10-20 in the slammer for the rest of us. Washington deserves better. Give me a simple man with common sense and the
ability to delegate over what we now have.
Absolutely Madame Lorben, absolutely!
(I like you avatar as the Israeli flag btw!)
Why thank you sir….it shows your character….God bless you James! Keep up the great work you are doing for this beautiful country….I pray to God we will be given grace to have more time to be nation He wills us to be….
You made me smile tonight….I admit it has been awhile….
Let's see – "Charges include seditious conspiracy and attempted use of weapons of mass destruction." Well, at least two of the "Charges" sound very serious. Perhaps the government needs some lessons on what "seditious conspiracy" or sedition is…I suggest they start by listening to tapes of Rev. Wright's sermons and watching the reactions of his audience during those sermons. Also, it sounds like the government should require FBI main offices to have at least one library in each of them, and those libraries should include dictionaries and encyclopedias…especially if the FBI is going to charge people on any "weapons of mass destruction" charges. For one example, Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: weapon of mass destruction – "Weapon with the capacity to inflict death and destruction indiscriminately and on a massive scale. The term has been in currency since at least 1937, when it was used to describe massed formations of bomber aircraft. Today WMDs are nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons — frequently referred to collectively as NBC weapons. Efforts to control the spread of WMDs are enshrined in international agreements such as the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty of 1968, the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972, and the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993. See nuclear weapon; chemical warfare; biological warfare."
"Special Agent Leslie Larsen, the agent in charge of the case in which nine people are accused of plotting to kill police officers and wage war against the U.S. government, did not know the answers to many of the questions she was asked and did not have her notes with her." Er, OK. It also sounds like the government should have some Court refresher courses for Federal Prosecutors and FBI agents…
One is a registered Democrat the rest, to my knowledge, have not been outed one way or the other. http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20100401/NEWS1...
One is a registered Democrat the rest, to my knowledge, have not been outed one way or the other. http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20100401/NEWS1...
One is a registered Democrat the rest, to my knowledge, have not been outed one way or the other. http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20100401/NEWS1...
Thank you, not surprising.
Ruby Ridge for those who have forgotten happened under GW's dad's watch. Waco was a Reno/Klinton operation. Thank goodness those mistakes didn't happen here. If the Fed is as full of shit as they appear to be, then they're likely looking at counter charges and a loss of some money. And I agree, I don't think that Holder is interested in applying the law fairly. Race does matter to him and his multicultural team of swine. Here's the money quote for me: “I share the frustration of the defense … "with all of the responses that are coming from this witness that she doesn’t know anything,” Exactly, Holder and these idiotic Feds don't know shit.
Like many people, I don't know enough about the Hutaree militia to determine anything about them, but the screed online shows that they are mostly just blowhard high school bully types who will cave to the first person who stands up to them. I think the MSM just recognized like spirits and became immediately jealous.
It is a path to the disarming of the American citizenry, because they fear what they cannot control.
We do. For sarcasm's sake.
Whoa…..hold on a dam minute. What's with the profiling??? Hutaree! How DARE THE GOV'T CALL THESE GUYS WHITE AND BRING NAME THEIR RELIGION! TRY THAT WITH A MUSLIM JIHADIST AND SEE HOW FAST THE STORY DISAPPEARS DOWN THE GIANT BLACK HOLE CALLED MSM!
ERRRRIC!
QUICK! SIC THE ACLU ON THESE RELIGIOUS BIGOTED, RACIAL PROFILING FEDS!
Militia's are a GOOD thing, and are specifically mentioned in the Second Admendment. It is the Left who have demonized them and made most Americans treat them like dangerous lunatics. In this case, the Hutaree were off the deep end, according to other nearby militias, but like the judge said, they have not committed any crime, unless you count hateful speech as a punishable crime.
Interesting that this "bust" came coincidentally not long after the government "report" was released on the sudden increase in "militia" and "white surpremist" group activities since Obama's election. So these bozos became perfect "proof" of the government's report, no? How much do ya wanna bet, though, that judge will suddenly find herself needing new employment?
This is Clinton-era deja-vu all over again. Remember, if it hadn't been for an alert customs agent, Y2K would've seen fireworks at LAX that weren't on the scheduled celebrations. After all, the official alert sent out by the Clinton bunch emphasized DOMESTIC terrorists over the possibility of jihadists planning a bloody New Year's Eve party.
These guys should all be in jail. They're trying to take the law into their own hands and commit violence against the government.
This is like one of those Islamic terrorist training camps, but just with a different ideology.
These guys should all be in jail. They're trying to take the law into their own hands and commit violence against the government.
This is like one of those Islamic terrorist training camps, but just with a different ideology.
[...] The ‘Hutaree Militia’ Case Starts To Unravel — On First Amendment Grounds [...]
Kudos to Judge Roberts!
The New Black Panthers are to be a division in our dear leader's Brownshit Army.
When the lead FBI investigator cannot answer BASIC questions about the case you KNOW something STINKS. This is Obama and Holders Waco, without the snipers and murdered children and FBI bulldozers.
The British army had the same distaste for the militia. We know where that got them.
There are no coincidences where Mr. O is concerned.
Oh, yeah, that sounds kind of like when US agents would provide terrorists with fake bombs and then tell them to set them off in a building.
There were a few cases during the Bush admin the agents essentially recruited people and got them to act with fake bombs.
You know, if those terrorists I mentioned, or if this militia, weren't such insane violent people who don't care about our Constitutional rights and just want to kill us, then maybe they wouldn't have these problems on their hands.
Or same thing in Waco: people were stockpiling illegal weapons for use in violent acts against US civilians.
Oh, yeah, that sounds kind of like when US agents would provide terrorists with fake bombs and then tell them to set them off in a building.
There were a few cases during the Bush admin the agents essentially recruited people and got them to act with fake bombs.
You know, if those terrorists I mentioned, or if this militia, weren't such insane violent people who don't care about our Constitutional rights and just want to kill us, then maybe they wouldn't have these problems on their hands.
Or same thing in Waco: people were stockpiling illegal weapons for use in violent acts against US civilians.
It may or may not bring justice, I'll leave that to the courts and the juries to figure that out, they have more information than I do.
But it would bring legitimacy to the democratic claim that tea parties are riots that just haven't exploded into violence yet.
These defendants were lucky enough to get an objective judge in federal court. But, the odds of that are decreasing daily, as progressive Republicans, like Orrin Hatch, deal away their objections to the radical judicial nominees of the Obama administration.
The odds of anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda getting a fair trial in the U.S. is dropping daily, and conservatives have only themselves to blame. They vote in the GOP progressives who failed to approve the judicial nominees of the Bush administration and are now allowing the radicals nominated by Obama to be approved.
How many in the administration and the MSM blame right wing terrorists for the Time Square bombing. They are looknig for any reason to crush the opposition. How many times did we hear that the TIME SQUARE BOMBER was going to turn out to be a Tea party, anti-gov't, anti-Obamacare, white, right-wing racist……OH but guess what it is a muslim! THe administration is trying to intimidate, undermine, and demean those that opose them! They slander the founding fathers but raise up people like Che , Castro and the murdering likes of enslaving commies.
We also remember how they treated the poor boys from the Duke Lacross scandal. Those poor guys' names and pictures were all over the news, effectively ruining any future opportunities. The Media is running to the gallows, and I can't say that I am sad to see it go.
Prove it! Apparently the government can't so maybe you can. You may want to call the prosecution lawyers with all your evidence. With all the resources the government has it still don't seem to have enough evidence to prove its case about a bunch of loud-mouthed militia members. Hmmmm…. Without this judge seeing through the garbage it would be the government taking the law into its own hands.
Good points, one can also say, that the sitting non-progressive republican senators and congressmen are complicit as in they are not exposing this movement. I feel these entrenched encumbents are more interested in their mud wallowing than creating their pet legislative issues than doing the work of the people and fighting this take-over of our country.
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