A few years ago, the Human Life Foundation’s Defender of Life annual award was given to Rep. Chris Smith of New Jersey, and in the brochure noting his accomplishments I learned that the congressman is co-chairman of the bipartisan pro-life caucus. Bipartisan? In amazement, I asked him if there really are pro-life Democrats in Congress. “Oh yes,” he assured me, “about 30.” He went on to name one, but I promised Smith I would not mention the congressman’s name in my column.
I probably have it my notes somewhere and for all I know it might have been Bart Stupak — who has announced tonight he will vote in favor of “health-care reform,” relying on an Obama “signing statement” to allay his concerns over government funding for abortion — but what Rep. Smith’s conversation revealed to me is that the pro-life Democrats do not wear their convictions overtly.
Well, they all had to come out of the closet tonight to vote for their belief in the sanctity of human life but instead they gave their obeisance to the One and his minions from hell. In this video we learn that the so-called pro-life Democrat Stupak never intended to vote NO.
At that same HLF dinner, National Review senior editor, Ramesh Ponnuru, introduced Mr. Smith. In his book, The Party of Death, Mr. Ponnuru makes no bones about which political party deserves that description.
At the time I covered the dinner for the New York Sun, I didn’t think it was wise to use such hyperbolic language about the nation’s majority political group, but those strong words are overdue in describing the culture that’s being promoted today. Abortion on demand, embryonic destruction, euthanasia, and animal rights now displace human rights. It wasn’t the GOP pulling the plug on the disabled Terry Schiavo.

The Human Life Foundation, based in Manhattan, publishes a review of essays and reprints of articles exploring all aspects of respecting life. A self-described “Jewish atheist,” Nat Hentoff, was also an honoree by the foundation, and he declared that respect for life is not a religious issue:
It is a fundamental human rights issue that has been clouded and deliberately distorted for a left-wing political agenda.
The real horror of the Terry Schiavo case, Mr. Hentoff insists, is the danger it unleashed to the rights of the disabled.
The elemental right to life supersedes all other rights. George Mckenna wrote an article for Human Life Review that delineates the Democrat/Catholic symbiosis and why the abortion issue now makes that connection invalid. In his essay, “Criss-Cross: Democrats, Republican, and Abortion,” Mr. Mckenna writes::
…the Democratic Party and the Catholic Church have always been on the same wave length as regards social and economic rights, particularly the rights of the poor, weak, and vulnerable members of society.
The Reagan Democrats came to life in 1980 when they realized that it wasn’t their father’s party anymore.
Tonight, the Party of Death continues to live up to its name.






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is anyone running against Stupak?
ill be sending them money.
Stupak has just sent out a press release on Friday saying that his district just received $700,000 for airport improvements. Guess what the name on the airport will be changed too. John Murtha has risen from the grave as Stupak murders the unborn babies that have a heart beat and brain waves. All for the name of an airport.
We will remember come November!
ah, give the black guy a chance, whats the worse that can happen ???? huh ???
Benishek…his facebook page was getting 10-30 members a second today, right after Stupak announced his death vote…he's a physician, but he doesn't have a donations page set up yet…
Support Republican Dr. Dan Benishek Against Lying Pro-Abortion Dem Bart Stupak
Like Michelle "mybelle" Obama famously said….
"I was never ashamed of my country until tonite."..
or words to that effect…
God was watching, Mr. Stupak. You are black of heart and soul-less.
I will be sending money to your opponent. I tell you here, because I can't get through on your website.
I just read on Instapundit that Stupak's opponent's FB page started pulling in amazing numbers the minute this worm announced his decision. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the opponent, but if you go to Instapundit you'll find all kinds of good stuff on this.
This particular worm needs to lose and his shiny new airport money (from the federal govt two days ago) needs to be investigated as well.
This is really interesting. Can Coburn block all these pigs from getting cushy Obama admin slots if they lose in November?
I'm truly disgusted. I knew the Democrats were corrupt, but I'd held out hope that there might be more honest ones than this. Very sad. I hope they pay dearly for what they've perpetrated today.
What did you expect, Stupak's from Menominee.
Sing it! "Ma na ma na… do, dooo, do, do-do… Ma na ma na… do, do-doooo, do."
I'd like to think this will be rectified in November. We don't have that long before we enter the second leg of this depression……..Things will soon be VERY ugly.
Why, yes, since you asked, Dan Benishek is, and his FB page is adding about one new friend every two seconds.
I say we send StupidPack a message and ALL friend Benishek!
Correct me if I'm wrong but "pro-life democrat" is the oxy-mo-ron of the year
The only life that has sanctity to a Democrat politician is their own.
Correct me if I'm wrong but "pro-life democrat" is sadly THE oxy-mo-ron of the year…
I am so disappointed. Why in the Hell did you pretend to have convictions, only to let everyone down at the end?
Nothing is wrong with the President's complexion, just his values. Pelosi, Hoyer, Stoo-Pak, Emmanuel, Schumer, Reed, are all on the same wavelength.
LISTEN UP EVERYBODY!!! The next step in the Marxist process is to co-opt (steal) the elections. Watch out for "universal voter registration" which will put the feds in charge of automatic registration of everyone they deem "qualified" voters. That goes along with illegal alien amnesty. The Commucrats are salivating over millions of new voters beholden to them. They're planning on never again being out of power a-la Hugo Chavez.
Whistleblower Magazine (WND.com) has devoted an entire issue to it. Also, do whatever you can to keep/get electronic voting machines out of your polling places. They can be hacked and no one can tell. Joseph Stalin said, "Whoever counts the votes controls the elections."
This not paranoia… this is real. You just saw the first volley. If we can't vote them out in November we're up that famous creek.
We caught them by surprise and got Scott Brown into "Teddy's seat" here in Mass. And now they know they can't let us have any real elections. They will not go quietly.
I just did this and there are five pages of responses since I joined just a couple of minutes ago!
I'm jazzed! Come on, BGs! Send a message to Stupak right now – log onto this and donate, even if it's $10 – I feel the fire burning across the land….
Well Bart Stupak which is going to be your legacy?
Are you going you be known as Stupak the stupid Uper
Or will it be Stupak, the Representative from northern Michigan who sold out his principles, The Church, and the lives of millions of unborn children, for three airports?
C'mon people. It's a legal, medical procedure. Why shouldn't it be funded just like any other medical procedure? If you think that abortion should be outlawed, work to make it so, but don't attack people who are just being sensible with regards to the law and the current state of gov't-regulated healthcare. Oh, and also, go vegetarian if you are REALLY pro-life. Otherwise, you have a gaping hole in your philosophical paradigm.
He has a PayPal set up and it's working – donate now! Stupak, you're going home!
Because he's a Democrat.
For a freakin airport. Another zombie and I admit I knew he had a price….I want to see all of these a$$holes loose their pensions and health care….just sayin….
Shhhh! Listen? Did you hear that paradigm shift? Something is in the air….
Y'all do the math on the Health Care Vote.
If Stupak had not cut a deal, and flipped, the vote would not have passed.
It was Bart Stupak and his SEVEN votes who made it so.
did not say anything was wrong with his complexion, saying too many cast a vote his direction because he was black, a novelty………………not considering the fact he is muslim, socialist or worse, dual citizenship and anti-American
another mentally ill lib.,what else is new.,
hey its the way it works ,,he always votes for stuff he is against.,,
huh what? Schizophrenia is a chemical imbalance in the brain.,
he needs to be on anti psychotic drugs., im sure all his dimbo drones will keep
voting for this mentally ill jackazz. this guy reminds me of john (cant keep it in his pants) Edwards.
any conservative republican should be able to pummel his azz.,come on ppl its a no brainier.
Andrea, if abortion is such a legal, medical and lovely thing, why didn't Dear Leader just say it, in plain words?
He could've said exactly what you said: Abortion must be funded like any other procedure. For some reason, he chose not to say those words. He chose to sell his values(?) and principles(?), by promising an Executive Order banning federal payments for elective abortions. What's wrong with your Dear Leader? Is he a liar? Does he pretend one thing while believing another? If he believes abortions SHOULDN'T be funded with federal dollars, does that mean you no longer support him?
Speaking of gaping holes, maybe you should shut yours.
P.S.: What Stupak is too stupak to realize is… they'll "throw him under the bus" anyway. Wait for his self-righteous raving about how he didn't know they would double-cross him.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100321/pl_usnw/DC7...
After reading this, I'm going with the latter, even he couldn't be that stupid…
Yes but has never been treated like medical procedure or else the abortion providers would be required to follow parental notification and consent laws that every other medical providers are required to follow, even the dentist and chiropractor. As well as be required to be regulated by joint commission and report co-morbidity rates too. But the day that abortion providers are held to the same standards of every other medical provider will be the day that Hell freezes over, and it would also be the same day that I would support federal funding for such a heartless "procedure".
Andrea, before you make another comment, may I recommend you take several years of logic before you embarass youself again by makeing such an asinine statement.
Stupak doesn't care. He will have UAW and assorted thugs turning out the vote in droves, sometimes 3 or 4 times. $700,000 for airport improvements? That should cover the cost of the new signs, a VIP parking lot(small one) and a new Soft drink machine.
You know, this guy was ALWAYS going to vote for the monster.
2929
How the hell did you get 73 pts? Are they grading on the Wonderlic Curve?
We can't get it done because we have people in this country(like you) who vote for politicians that fund these death clinics…making it all possible…
Any more dumb questions..?
He's not a liar. He's just weak. He should have said exactly that, and more importantly, he should have pushed single-payer when he had the chance, but as it turns out, he's just another mindless centrist beholden to his corporate donors (even though the Republicans would have you believe that he's consorting with the ghost of Lenin every night). Oh, and I didn't vote for him (or Kerry, or Gore, or Clinton).
If we want to keep our elections honest, we'd best have conservatives willing to marshal in force at all election/voting locations this November. It's the only way we'll be able to stifle the very real attempt at vote stealing they'll be striving for.
I have to say I agree…..
Untold millions of unborn children in exchange for a political fig leaf and an extra serving of congressional pork.
If ever a deal was made in hell, this is it.
Actually, he's weak AND a liar. He is without substance.
And yes, he's beholden to corporate interests, not just donors, but the corporate interests he rapes and robs. You see, one thing you loony leftists don't remember: Politicians, even the enlightened Marxists such as Dear Leader, don't earn money. They steal it from one group and pay it out to another, as bribes for future votes.
They're dependent on the golden goose of capitalism to fund their loony schemes, and believe you me, they hate that worse than anything. That's why the loony left always, sooner or later, has to completely take over their host country. (That's right — their relationship with the USA is that of parasite to host.)
So, until Dear Leader appoints himself President for Life, he must curry favor with those who own the golden goose. Don't worry, that's bound to change. It always has. Read some history, girlie.
Self-proclaimed pro-life Democrat may have just aborted American prosperity. Thanks a bunch, Stoogepak.
Those are our only two choices? Pregnant women killing themselves or punishment of girls for being sexual?
Wow, I never heard the argument framed so cogently. You got it goin' ONNNNN, yoyo. And I don't mean yoyo in the pejorative sense. Pejorative? What's that? I ain't gonna pee in no jor, no-sirree-bob.
Andrea I want you to enjoy that bowl corn flakes tomorrow morning or whatever it is you eat, while you are enjoying them, I want you to think about millions of little animals that die each and every year by farm machinery out in the fields. So as you eat those corn flakes imagine their little bones crunching under the
http://www.newwest.net/index.php/topic/article/or...
'If God did'nt intend for us to eat animals, he would not have made them of meat'.
Ted Nugent
Gotta love Nugent! And meat!
Come on, yourself. Liposuction, Botox, breast implants are also legal medical procedures. I should not be forced to pay for these ELECTIVE medical procedures either.
Too late. She already drank the Kool Aid.
What you don't seem to understand is that in passing this health bill, he's just re-entrenched the power of the insurance companies for another generation. Moreover, we are now compelled to purchase faulty products from them. To think he is an anti-capitalist is absolutely naive. Look around you. Look at the profits the health care companies and oil companies made last year, and look at the executive compensation packages.
It's funny how the right throws out this "president for life" bit, just like the left threw it out there when Bush was president. Have you forgotten that we, the people, make these decisions? And I've read plenty of history, friend. Assuming my doctoral committee buys my argument in May, I'll have a PhD in American History to prove it. Yeah yeah…. socialist learning institutions and all that… *yawn*
Better yet, how about you man up and formulate a reasoned retort, and prove to me why it is so asinine.
70?…..As Yoda would say….
Gobsmacked I am…
I got 73 points because I'm a true lefty, not a weak-kneed Democrat, and in most cases, once these discussions have worked their way through, I often get the "you're the first liberal I've ever had a reasonable discussion with." So rather than hurling insults my way, how about we have an actual discourse about this? I disagree that they are "death clinics." I think life begins at birth (as does my drivers license and birth certificate), and in my opinion, clinics that provide abortion services are simply providing a medical procedure… one which happens to be entirely legal. And just to get it out there, because it will probably come up and you probably already suspected it, I am an atheist and I don't believe in souls or anything usually attributed to the Judeo-Christian argument against abortion, so I see no ethical problem whatsoever with a woman making her own health-related decisions with her doctor.
That's another good reason to support your local small organic farmer, which I do, and you should too. Actually, Ted and I agree that factory farms are hugely detrimental to the environment and a pox on the traditional small American farm which is such a valuable part of our economic and cultural history. As to his quaint little saying, since I don't believe in God, it's kind of irrelevant to the discussion.
That's the spirit. How about Palestinians?
Which Kool Aid, precisely? There's a lot of it going around these days. I've heard the strongest batch can be found at Tea Party rallies.
You know, I thought that about the Mass race. I really didn't think Scott Brown had a chance against the corruption of the Democrat machine. But vigilance wins out. Letting them know that they will be watched and they will be exposed if they pull any shenanigans is a good way to cut down on the fraud. Of course, the opponent has to win by a good margin, but this first money bomb should help.
Sunlight is the only way to kill the corruption of the Democrats.
As long as they are not out to destroy Jews or Christians, I am fine with them….How about you and Jews?
Well, that qualifies for the 'woefully ill informed rant' file.
When you wear a hat does your head cave in a little?
Well, I'm a vegan. Why should I be forced to pay for quadruple bypasses for fat meat eaters who have clogged up their veins with cholesterol? You see, this gets into weird, slippery slope territory and becomes a finger pointing session against those whose choices we personally dislike. And this distracts from the real problem which is that this health care bill doesn't effectively address the real root of the problems we are facing. At the end of the day, I'm for a health care system that reduces the need to have abortions which, to be fair, is a painful invasive procedure. This health care bill does virtually nothing to focus on preventative medicine. In single-payer systems, birth control and reproductive education and services are free and widely available and children learn about these issues candidly, from a young age. The result? Half the abortions per capita in France and Canada than we have here. Think about it.
Ah going with that primordial ooze theory are you?
Albert Einstein who believed in God by the way once said this…
Doing the same thing over and over again without success in the true definition of insanity.
You have been greatly deceived by your progressive 'education'.
Well here is truth you can believe in, followers of Marx have killed well over one hundred million people in the past century…keep believing useful idiot, keep believing…
Why can't a Muslim or a Socialist be president? Where is that written? And let's watch the phrase anti-American. What I think you mean is "not conservative." Two very different things.
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Who said I followed Marx? And while we're at it, what's the death count coming from Adam Smith followers? And so what if Einstein believed in God? That proves nothing. The body of scientific discovery has spent the last several hundred years consistently debunking phenomena that were originally attributed to having religious or supernatural causes. There is every reason to think that this body of discovery will continue until we understand how the universe started, how it will end, and what happens to our consciousness when we die. That it doesn't presently doesn't, in my mind, call for practicing a willing suspension of disbelief in the worshipping of an esoteric "God" to fill in the gaps. Many do, and I fully respect their right to do so, as I'd hope that they respect my right not to do so.
2929
Sorry Andrea…but if you wander onto my property, and I mistake you for an endangered turkey, I'm going the Che-Z Bolivian route….SHOOT…SHOVEL…SHUT-UP
As long as they understand that they don't own land because an antiquated book of fiction says so and that apartheid doesn't make things any better, we cool.
For the record, I rarely wander. Firm believer in mapped-out routes, me. Avoids a lot of complications, and in this case, getting shot. Nice to know that peaceful discourse is still alive and well though, eh pal?
This one is pretty twisted, no?
And I just went up to 74p. I'm gaining on you wldbil. You're in my lefty sights. Ha… but I'm a lefty, so what would I know about firing a gun, anyway….
I fully recognize that Dear Leader has given the insurance companies license to rob us blind.
The problem is, that's where your deductive reasoning ends. When you say Dear Leader has re-entrenched the insurers, you admit he's committed an unconstitutional act. It's not his within his authority to re-entrench or dis-entrench any business or industry. You and he share a grandiose vision of governmental powers.
The insurance companies deserve a chance to win or lose, with no guarantee of either. So far, neither Republicans nor Democrats have allowed this. Andrea, the market is always there, the invisible hand, writing the prices of the goods and services we consume. Both parties have temporarily "defeated" the market, but it can't be killed.
For similar reasons, the oil companies don't mind cap-and-trade. What the government giveth, the government can, at will, take away. The sunshine capitalists had better watch out — they're swimming with sharks.
Dear Leader is anti-capitalist. However, he can't make an honest dollar. He can only steal the dollars made by other, more talented, people.
So its okay for there to be 57 Muslim states in the world and 1 Jewish state is a bad thing? Because you deem that book fiction? How about that koran? Fiction? They are the ones that want to destroy Big Satan and Little Satan!
I got 73 points because I'm a true lefty, not a weak-kneed Democrat
That nails you right on good old Karl';s kross honey…
Alinsky tactics are not successful here. If you can't play with intellectual integrity you lose here we know the rules…
I'm also an atheist, but it didn't make me stupid.
Just a product of her indoctrination…and I would say her indoctrination has been very successful, she cannot be budged from her ideal world of the coming convergence!
BIL
Sorry…but I'm a blond…
In terms of healthcare, how talented are people who come up with a system that lets 45k people die each year from lack of coverage… bankrupts 800,000 because they can't pay their bills, sucks up 18% of the GDP when it doesn't even cover 1/6th of the population, and runs at 25% administrative costs, when just across the border, you have a system that covers everyone cradle to grave, using up only 11% of the GDP, with no bankruptcies and administrative costs of around 2-3%. The "invisible hand" has carpal tunnel, my friend. It doesn't work with healthcare, and every other industrialized nation has proven this by having single-payer systems that work far better than ours. We walk on socialized sidewalks, drive on socialized roads, call socialized fire and police departments, and send our kids to socialized schools. Even Glenn Beck got his education reading books at socialized libraries! We need to get the insurance companies out of the healthcare business and put the power back in the hands of the doctors and the patients, where it should be.
Before blaming the Muslim states, how about the European states that forced the Jewish exodus in the first place?! And yes.. in my opinion, Koran=Fiction Bible=Fiction US Weekly=Fiction. Now Vogue, on the other hand….
What's the big surprise – I would never trust a Demoncrat . Again, I all along knew that he only defended his 'principle' in order to get a worthwhile reward for his YES vote. So many of his colleagues accepted bribes – why shouldn't he …. ?!
It wouldn't matter, if this so called 'health care – education' bill were not extremely harmful to our future quality of health care, to our personal income and to our economy. Alas, the vast majority only hears the well formulated, but misleading soundbites by the MSM and will continue to vote the D line.
Where has my intellectual integrity faltered, pray tell?
*waving hands*…. Uh.. I'm right here guys. I can hear everything you're saying.
Prove it.
How can you not blame the Muslim states when they have plenty of land, oil and riches? All Israel desires is to be left alone…
We know! Its for your entertainment!
They have a funny way of showing it. And I wouldn't worry too much about Muslim state riches. At the rate that China and India are starting to suck up petrol, there is going to be a serious supply/demand issue in our lifetime, and the Sheiks ain't gonna be able to deliver the goods.
You're unable or unwilling to address my points. You simply start a new topic, as if I hadn't responded. You are queen of the non sequitur.
Show me a death certificate that shows the cause of death as Lack of Insurance.
No one "came up with" the present system. It evolved, largely from governmental pressures. I'm sure you've heard of the wage and price freezes following WWII. That started the whole insurance mess. Offering health insurance was a way a company could legally retain a good employee, when it was illegal to offer him/her a raise in pay. There again, market forces responded to a government with grandiose ideas about its authority.
You're stretching a point, calling sidewalks "socialized." They're not. The word to describe the new health care scheme is Nationalized, not socialized.
The NATIONAL government should have no hand in education.
Your arguments are hollow, so long as you want to steal from me and give my property to others. The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land. Why can you not respect that?
I don't know, but I'll send some money that way too.
Also, shoud Stupak decide to hold a town hall meeting, if anyone need's some sun "ripened" eggs to present to this man, let me know and I overnight them to ya'll…
Nov 2, 2010
Nov 6, 2012
And what is that funny way? Protecting themselves from destruction?
And yes you are correct on the supply/demand issue but the Sheiks will start another world war…remember that I said that in the future as you weep over the loss of your Vogue…
The very comment you just made makes my point….Again if you want to play, you have to understand you are not dealing with one of your fellow 'students'.
OK I'll spell it out for you, if you are either a Jew or a Christian, you both believe in God.
You are a lefty as you stared, if think you are smart enough to distance yousef frm Marx without making a fool of your self…be my guest.
LOL
While you were busy with the ObamaCare vote…
Obama Czar orders funding of ACORN!
http://usataxpayer.org/?0086450530
I'm glad they did what we Americans elected them to do; WORK for us! Finally we get to witness a congress that actually accomplishes something that we need. Great day for all!
"Blinded by the light —
Revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night…"
Sorry you were called away on urgent business, Andrea. You could always check out the first couple of entries in my blog. That might prove, at the very least, an ability to switch on my computer, even if it doesn't reveal a superior intelligence.
And besides, intelligence is way overrated.
How about plan old common sense…it seems to be underrated these days. And you HPJ have common sense.
Obama stands in triumph on a mountain of 'DEAD BABYS'.
Oh Oh…Looks like somebody has a gaping hole in their political paradigm.
LOL
The 'Curse of Molech' be on the 'House of Obama. Ancient peoples in the Land of Canaan used to sacrifice babys to their God [ Lucifer] for temporary gain [political, financial. The Curse of God is on any country that practices 'Infanticide'. The angel of death will passover any country that mocks God. The protective covering of God's Mercy has been removed.
Well Andrea, he has apologized for "American arrogance" all over the world even though the only American arrogance I have ever seen come from left wing Liberals who are the very same people complaining about arrogance. He kissed a55 to low-life dictators like Hugo Chavez. He's letting Iran build an atomic bomb. He lets Russia run rampant over their defenseless neighbors. He is a socialist which is an ideology of the collective and is juxtaposed to the individual spirit that Americans hold dear. He has forced a bill through using trickery, bribes, lies, and in violation of the Constitution. He extols behavior that is contrary to the very soul of America.
I don't see how you can possibly get any more anti-American than that. Not to mention you actually insinuated that a Socialist should become president. The latter is more than simply troubling…
andrea2929
I'm sorry to have to break this to ya', but while you are very intelligent, you have little or no common sense….
Common sense is to intelligence is what bullets are to a pistol, what gasoline is to a car or words are to language….
you are a seriously empty vessel, floundering in a sea of misinformation and lies…
that right, lies told to you that you believe because you lack common sense…it's a circular firing squad, with you in the middle, surrounded by 20 CONgressional Marxist liars of your choice…
Obamacare means eugenics/abortion @ birth and euthanasia/rationed care @ old age.
Given enough time the in between time will be prison time if you don't conform.
After all, now they have health care and education, so let the indoctrination begin, and for those that will not conform, severely rationed care is your gift, granted happily by the Party of Death.
We are so screwed. I started saying after the election that by mid-term elections it'll be hard to find someone who will admit to voting for nObama, are we there yet.
Please explain how women are going to die "from lack of choice". That's just idiotic to say and I liken it to the obligatory "44,000 people die each year from lack of insurance".
Instead of going off about "punishing little girls" how about teaching abstinence instead of crying that "it doesn't work" when it's proven that it does.
Stop generalizing about Catholicism. You're ignorance is showing. I bet you are one to defend Islam when child rape is not only condoned, it is encouraged in some more extreme cases.
About my steak, prove it's sentient. Otherwise shut up, because you're damn right I value a human life over that of a cow. I would personally gut a thousand cows or chickes, with my own hands, if it meant saving just one HIV infected crackhead with multiple brain tumors. You know why? Because I know how to prioritze correctly. That's something your prepubescent liberal mind cannot do, because you have effectively stunted your intellectual growth. You have proven that you can't tell good from bad, better from worse, or right from wrong.
"LOONY?" Government yet reserves rights to capital punishment, via proportional "just retribution." Call it "closure" for families demanding this at sentencing hearings. When is a pre-born infant given ANY such sentencing hearing? Without advocating vigilantism: an "eye for an eye" you cannot feel in eltism of who lives and who dies. Consider where babies come from and their own right to life (…and to liberty & the pursuit of happiness since you are studying American history in pursuit of undoubtedly selfish happiness for the rest of your own life, unlike millions of the pre-born prematurely murdered without ANY sentencing hearing!?). Are you just far less interested in empathy for the dynamical personhood of helpless pre-born babies than you are for grown women? And in defending abstract notions of a grown woman's right to choose any such another helpless person's DEATH??. Please call up SOME heartfelt maternal instincts and not merely your tired, objectified feminist abortion cult of an abstracted "left" ("What do we want…ABORTION,…when do we want it, NOW"…).
"LOONY?" Government yet reserves rights to capital punishment, via proportional "just retribution." Call it "closure" for families demanding this at sentencing hearings. When is a pre-born infant given ANY such sentencing hearing? Without advocating vigilantism: an "eye for an eye" you cannot feel in your eltism of who lives and who dies. Consider where babies come from and their own right to life (…and to liberty & the pursuit of happiness since you are studying American history in pursuit of undoubtedly selfish happiness for the rest of your own life, unlike millions of the pre-born prematurely murdered without ANY sentencing hearing!?). Are you just far less interested in empathy for the dynamical personhood of helpless pre-born babies than you are for grown women? And in defending abstract notions of a grown woman's absolutist right to choose any such another helpless person's DEATH??. Please call up SOME heartfelt maternal instincts and not merely your tired, objectified feminist abortion cult of an abstracted "left" ("What do we want…ABORTION,…when do we want it, NOW"…).
Believing "life begins at birth" (or so-called "viability") is merely a very selfish person's very immature, 'must-have' desire to ignore the "scientific evidence." The only explanation for such illogic is ideological convenience only. YOURS is neither good science, nor any sort of very humane philosophy (let's forget "religion" with any of you lefties, living as you must in the utterly self-absorbed "NOW"). Leftist so-called "science" as corrupted by short-sighted ideology: where have we heard before all about "science" now once again in the service of one's politics…SAD!
Elections???? Obama wants to be our first Hugo Chavez – the ONE in power forever. Or just a sleeper Al Qaeda???
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It's never been treated like any other medical procedure, because, from a provider's standpoint, there is no other medical procedure that carries the risk of being assassinated by a loony from performing it. Side note, if you are against abortion, then you should support single-payer healthcare. In Canada and France, they have half the per-capita abortions that we do in America, and in Germany, it's 1/4th the amount… and those are all single-payer systems! True comprehensive health care emphasizes prevention!
Make your mind up if you want preganant women to kill themselves through lack of choice, or if you're really about punishment of girls for being sexual just put your little taliban robes on and stop pretending to be caring educated or humane. Or if it's all about child raping catholism, put your hand up to that stop trying to be part of the rational community and acknowlege you dont really care about suffering, you'd prefer to kill a sentinent animal for your steak than 24 cells to save a humans life. You people are sickening.
Thank you for your kind remark, Lorben.
I'm thinking the political left is missing common sense. How in the world do they go through life blind to one fact: They ruin everything they touch.
http://www.americanparchment.com reports that this will be sent to the Supreme Court where they will decide if it is Constitutional to mandate everyone buying health care. Isn’t it just right that the Judges should be able to shut down this health care bill after Obama made a spectacle of them in the State of the Union Address.
There is also one more way to combat it. 36 States have bills in their Congress or Lawsuits by their AG’s to combat this mandate of health care shutting down this bill in those states. Sadly our taxes will still go up. We will have to wait and see what happens.
Thank you for this. I wish this video of Stupak had been out there earlier, but I hope everyone sees it now. We need to understand how people like this think. They don't stand on principle. They tippy toe on it.
We need to start now to make sure the voter registration rolls are legit and start movements in the states lacking it, that proof of identity and residence is required for each vote cast.
Yes, we just saw the first volley. Now watch how they are going to add thirty million of new voters, all anxious to show their gratitude to the Great Leader. Good bye USA, hellow there USSA!
He's a politician. Wait till he starts campaigning. He will say he was against it, but voted for it because there werew som peovisions that were vital to the wellfare of our nation. He can't tell us wich ones, but they were in there.
THROW THE BUM OUT!!!
That's sorta tough to do, but I've done my best.
My IQ is in the low 150s, but I can assure you that intelligence is not the most valuable commodity in someone's personal worth.
Integrity and persistence are far more valuable, both in personal and business dealings.
Like I said in November, one issue people can not be trusted, period. He folded then and he folded now. If a person is not looking at the whole picture he can be bought, period. There is no such thing as a conservative Democrat or a prolife Democrat. They are a Democrat first, last and always. Which means they believe the Government should, can and will be in control of everything by any means necessary. They are all communist Democrats, period. So all the prolife people, whether you are a Catholic Bishop or just a regular citizen; Stupac fooled you last November and he fooled you last night. So when are you going to wake up that the social justice agenda and the pro death agenda go hand in hand. You are either all in, or you are all out. Which side are you on?
It was also a BELIEF that slavery was perfectly fine. Oops. 100 years from now people are going to look back at abortion the same way we look at slavery.
BTW if your wife had an abortion, her doctor would be a murder and she would be complicit in making the decision to murder her unborn baby.
Your Dem-cooked figures are bogus. That 45K came from a Harvard study, of a whopping 9,000 surveys, and came up with 350 people – and extrapolated the 45K, after "tweaking" the results to fit. U of C did the same study with 640,000 surveys, and came up with almost no difference between insured and uninsured. 800,000 bankruptcies? Bogus again. The Dems used Govt records to count any bankruptcy that had any medical bill at all in it, even if it was an old $10 clinic bill left unpaid, among the debts. Less than 6% of bankruptcies are due to Medical Debt, and the number decreased from 6% in 1998 to 5% in 2007. And "costs" are lower across the border? Your nuts. The tax rate in Canada to cover their "low cost" system is almost 50%, and it's collapsing, with rationing and lack of treatment so bad that most Canadians near the border come to the U.S. for treatment even if they have to pay for it out-of-pocket.
… hmmmm, since almost 60% of the population is opposed to this bill, this is Social Fascist working AGAINST the will of the people.
Just think, if this bill had been in place early enough, Obama likely wouldn't be here now.
When people are denied life-saving medical services because they are uninsured, and they die as a result of not getting this health coverage, what else would you call it? Sorry, you can paint it any way you want, but the bottom line is that we are the only industrialized nation that still lets its citizens die as a result of not having health coverage.
Regarding my sidewalk comment… public works and infrastructure are government run institutions, paid for by out tax dollars. So watch out for that "red" cement pal. It's after your children.
The national government should have no hand in education? So basically, poor children have no right to learn, eh? Way to be compassionate. Guess they should just all pull themselves up by their tiny bootstraps and learn to compete with the rich, white, private school kids across town, despite having no resources whatsoever to do so.
And how am I "stealing your property?" You are saying that all tax dollars are theft? Funny how conservatives tend to demonize taxes without realizing that one of the largest chunks of tax revenue go straight to the military, which is the one institution that, curiously, they are fine with being government-run.
Finally, the U.S. constitution is not the law of the land. The interpretation of the constitution by the current court system is the law of the land. And with the recent Public Citizens decision, we can clearly see that judges, whether right or left, are political activists.
Fine. Just for argument's sake, let's use the previous number of 22k deaths a year. Is that honestly ok? That we let 22k of our citizens die because they can't afford insurance? It's a disgrace.
And sorry, the bankruptcy numbers are dead on. Health-related bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conte...
Regarding the "collapse" of the Canadian system, you wouldn't know it by the numbers. 70% of Canadians are satisfied with their health coverage (compared to 40% of Americans) and 82% feel that the Canadian system is better than the American system. Elective surgery wait times are less than 4 weeks, Emergency services have no more than 4 hour waits. The Canadian gov't has gone to great lengths to improve rural coverage and reduce wait times.
http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_pag... You're just simply wrong about Canada. It's a great system, and the most salient feedback I have comes from all my Canadian friends (I have a lot since I live in Seattle)… ALL of whom are very satisfied with their coverage… and no, not all of them are liberals. Two in particular are conservatives and they think we are insane for not having a single-payer system. It's no surprise that when a poll was taken asking Canadian citizens who the greatest Canadian in history was, they answered Tommie Douglas, the father of the Canadian single-payer system.
You've posted this paragraph twice, but I'm only going to answer once. I don't believe that fetuses should have rights. I believe that birthday means the day you become a human. The law of the land currently agrees with me. It's got nothing to do with maternal instinct. When it's inside a woman's body, the woman should have full rights and decision-making capabilities of what goes on. And while we're on the subject, let me ask you this: since you have such compassion for beings who aren't even viable humans, do you eat animals? Pigs, for instance have roughly the intelligence levels of 2 year old humans. If you do, have you ever considered that this might be a huge contradiction, based on your ethical paradigm?
see above.
Your point about the Constitution isn't totally invalid.
However, the current occupant of the White House has said, in plain English, that the Constitution is a stumbling block, an impediment, to his goals.
That's your guy, not mine.
Please explain to me, specifically, what arguments I have made on this thread that lack "common sense." Just claiming it doesn't make it so.
For some reason, that just sounds dirty.
More twisted statistics, please.
No, wait, let's have the even more authoritative "my friend said so" anecdotal evidence.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but every single government in the world agrees with me. That's why we have "birth certificates." If you want to change the system so that we all roll the date back 9 months, I wish you all the luck in the world. Step to it.
Ehhh.. the murder of roughly 2 million Palestinians since 1948.
Consider me entertained.
You might have missed the news, but the economy is in recovery.
Agreed. As our previous president proved, you can achieve the highest office in the world without any traces of it whatsoever.
If they need to protect themselves…I don't have a problem with it.
;^) Happy to accommodate!
Holy shit…are you in for a surprise! This nation has gone Galt and will continue to go Galt.
George W. Bush was a good man who was out of his depth. He was not without intelligence, as you suggest.
His mistakes and his stubborn refusal to go on the offensive against the hard left in America cost the country, hugely.
We now have your guy, and G.W. Bush is more responsible for that catastrophe than any other single individual alive.
Andrea, clearly you are either a pseudo intellectual who does not even know what a 'lefty' is, or you are intellectually dishonest…
Either way. you are way out of your depth here.
Have nice day.
yawn
Don't know why, they are mostly your words…
Nice Avatar…Where have I seen that before?
Congressman: What a sad day for America. Sad for those whom you are to represent, sad for the EXTRA 500,000 babies who will be aborted because of your vote. You could have made all the difference. You could have defeated this horrible Bill. I wish you no harm, I do wish you a very early retirement so that you will have plenty of time to reflect upon what you did before you face the millions of babies your vote helped to destroy. How, how, how could you have turned your back on your nation, your God, you supporters all for an airport to be named after you. You will never see this, but hopefully you will feel our sorrow.
I am not sure, I downloaded it a long time ago knowing it would be appropriate someday…Its how I feel today…;^)
And the GOP needs to close their freaking primaries. No more Scozzafavas and McCains!
He is most certainly NOT my guy. I didn't vote for him, nor will I vote for him in 2012. I don't dig on centrists masquerading as liberals.
And let's remember, it was Bush who said: "the constitution is just a god*$@mned piece of paper."
Sorry. I was wrong. It's not 70% of Canadians approve of their healthcare. It's actually 90%.
http://medicare.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nan...
I will, but you still didn't answer the question. Ad hominem attacks don't make your arguments any stronger.
Maybe it's the bald eagle…..
By that reasoning, Hitler needed to protect the Aryans from the Jews. Can't have it both ways, Machiavelli…
Galt? Who is John Galt?!
Again, Obama is NOT my guy. I didn't vote for him (or Kerry, or Gore, or Clinton). By what measure was Bush a "good man?" He has failed at every single job he's every had, and during his presidency, his actions or inactions allowed the biggest terrorist attack we've every experienced on our soil, to say nothing of the trillions of dollars and thousands of lives squandered on a war that was predicated on false or incorrect information, the result of which was turning a stable (if autocratic) country into a breeding ground for terrorists. Bush. Ruined. America. But to be fair, so did Clinton.
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I shudder to think just how insane a person would need to be to earn your vote.
If Dear Leader isn't sorry enough for you, what a commentary you've made on yourself. The hard-left, statist view results from a mental problem.
It is all wrapped up in wishful thinking, childish greed and envy, plus a host of other, related mindsets. The Constitution acknowledges (not gives, acknowledges) our right to life, liberty and property. Yet you and those like you would cheerfully take my property and give it to others.
There will be a reckoning. Your side might win. If it does, all innovation, all roads to prosperity, will be shut down.
Several other people on this board has mentioned how you like to divert. You still haven't addressed my point. By the time one gets to the point that a quadruple bypass is required, it's a medical necessity–regardless of the cause. Liposuction, Botox, breast implants, and except on rare occasions abortion are ELECTIVE procedures. But wait a moment. You made it about free choice. You choose to be a vegan, others choose to be meat eaters. Is there a choice a woman can make that can ensure that there will not be a need for abortion? Hmm. Maybe if children are taught that sex has consequences the per capita numbers might be different. Don't worry. I'm not expecting a response. You'll just divert off into some other liberal nonsense.
For the record, I have voted for Ralph Nader in the last 4 elections. And if you think that my lefty, third-party leanings are a one way ticket to disaster, then may I offer up the inconvenient fact that the Republican party was started as a radical third party as a response to the growing state's rights crisis and as a political realization of the tenets of the ill-fated free-soilers party. To say nothing of the fact that third parties were responsible for championing women's suffrage, workers and children's rights, civil rights, and social security long before the two major parties finally brought them into the fold. Are any of those platforms "insane," in retrospect?
And as a final thought, "prosperity" is a malleable term. For many on the right, it is diametrically tied to fiscal wealth. For many others, it means something entirely unrelated to money. Keep that in mind.
Need to stop smoking that Medical MJ there in Seattle. I'm a Canuck working in the U.S. I grew up there, and have family in Canada, and know all about the crappy health care there. Ask your Canadian friends what they pay in taxes. The incoming Prez of the Canadian Medical Association, Dr. Anne Doig says: "Canadians have to understand that the system that we have right now is not sustainable – its imploding." And if Canadians could actually compare, through experience, the treatment provided in Canada, vs the U.S. (like I have) they would be appalled at how bad the Canadian system is in comparison. I've had two family members go through treatments for similar Cancers – one in Canada, and one in the U.S. in the last two years. The difference was so huge it was shocking how low the quality of care was in Canada, compared to the U.S. It was like Canada was still in the 19th Century and treating with leeches (oh and the one being treated in Canada died waiting for surgery they kept postponing due to rationing limits on surgery suites at the hospitals).. Now in Canada, anyone with a brain and money buys private medical insurance and goes to private clinics or the U.S. Ask Danny Williams – Premier for Newfoundland where he went for heart surgery this year. (hint, the countries' flag didn't have a maple leaf on it. – it had some stars and some stripes.)
Your quadruple bypass point overlooks the fact that it is as a result of a poor lifestyle choice with known negative consequences. So to piggyback that awful country song, free choice isn't free. But that point I made was hyperbolic. Once we start legislating that kind of thing, it's a slippery slope and everyone is at risk of judgment. Regarding children and sex ed.. I"m all for it. The countries that have the most comprehensive sex education and give adolescents free access to birth control have the lowest pregnancy rates and the lowest rates of abortion, per capita. The countries that rely on the religiously-based "just say no" sex "education" and limit access to birth control have the highest rates. Big surprise. And yes, there is a choice that both women and men can make to ensure that there will not be a need for an abortion. Sterilization in the form of a vasectomy or getting your tubes tied. I have taken those measures, as I do not want to have children. Now, does that address your point, or have I diverted yet again?
Wow! What a surprise, the far right republicans don't like a democrat. Now that is news!
Secondly, I think you guys just keep getting it wrong. Abortion is NOT murder, period. If my wife had an abortion, neither her or her Dr. would be charged with murder in any court of law. It is a BELIEF that abortion is murder, not a fact of law.
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The price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver. Now, it's $700,000. Inflation strikes again.
Most of them will not be able to handle the days soon to come. When the economy tanks they will curl up in the fetal position and die.
No, I urge you to continue voting for Nader, or whoever steps up to be the next Nader. You haven't harmed me or any other conservatives with your vote. I appreciate you and Ralph Nader.
As for Republicans, they can get right or stay wrong. It's up to them, same as with the statist party, the Democrats. Republicans are guilty of practicing crony capitalism, while the Democrats are just plain guilty.
That malleable term, "prosperity" — Funny how it means different things to different people. Funny how, in the end, the left thinks they have a right to "liberate" my property to "help the poor," to give "affordable health care," or save us from Global Climate Warming Change, or whatever the loony left cause of the day happens to be.
I say screw that. I want my taxes at a reasonable level, and if they become too high, I will scale back my productivity.
Trust me, the poor who bleat about their left-leaning politics are simply spouting self-serving rhetoric. Social justice? Oh, you need to rip me off to get you some justice? I'm supposed to be fine with that?
Human nature isn't changing a whole lot. We humans tend to seek the advantage, however and whenever possible. At the same time, we can be awfully generous. Americans are the most generous people on Earth. Some of us, though, get a bit testy when government agents with guns come to steal what we earned.
Social Security would be more solvent today if it were means tested. But nooooo, that could cause the welfare (social security) recipient to feel like a welfare (social security) recipient. We can't have that.
The lefty philosophy is morally bankrupt and mentally ill. You may never discover this for yourself. Whatever. My goal is to vote out Dear Leader and crew, and start something better from there.
Again, when have I ever stated that I'm a Marx follower?
Why did he come to the states? Because we have the best private insurance companies? No. He came because we have the best doctors. We have the best doctors because we have the best medical schools. None of that would change under single payer. If anything, doctors would have more competition and would rise or fall on a true meritocracy, because consumers would finally have free choice of what doctor they go to… not having to worry about whether they are "in network" or approved by their private health insurance company. Don't confuse the two issues. I'm not an advocate for the English style NHS. I say we keep our private doctors, utilize one regulated insurer, run by elected officials in a government agency, and put the power and the choice back in the hands of we, the people, and the doctors who treat us.
I think the worst thing about the Dems is that they vote like 90's style Republicans in policy matters, but they pretend like they are still fighting "for the people." As if they don't accept as much (or more) corporate lobbying money than the Republicans do. At least the Republicans are up front about it. And to the credit of the right wing, this Tea party thing is pure genius, whether it's astroturfing or not. They've scared the bejesus out of moderate Republicans who realize that their votes have to be earned, and unless they take a big sidestep to the right, it's not on. If only the Dems would do the same thing to the left, I might actually consider voting for them again. But they'd rather spend their time squabbling and searching for the elusive "center," not to mention calling people like me a traitor just because I vote for someone who *shock horror* espouses my political values.
And to be candid about taxes, it's not like I have a love affair with them. I'm willing to pay them if I'm receiving worthwhile services in return. I grumbled, but paid them during the Bush administration, even though I knew I was financially supporting what I considered to be an illegal and immoral war. We don't get everything we want. If I knew by paying a little more in taxes, I would get comprehensive health coverage for life that meant no more out-of-pocket expenses and all my medical choices left up to me and my doctor… well, I'd pretty much be on board with that one. You and I can probably agree that a lousy way to spend our tax dollars is to bail out corporations who haven't got the slightest idea how to run a fiscally responsible company, which is reason enough to dump Obama and the Dems who were largely responsible for that atrocity.
And I, of course, consider the righy philosophy morally bankrupt and mentally ill, but that's why we vote, and that's why we get on these boards and volley back and forth. Nice that we live in a country where we are able to do that without getting our hands chopped off, eh?
Hang onto those Vogue Magazines…cause that is the only Vogue you will have in a few years…
How is protecting one's self deserving of annihilation? With your logic I would say you are in need of a strong dose of Abilify daily for the Schizophrenic delusions you are experiencing.
They are not "protecting" themselves when they are continuing to encroach and build settlements on the West Bank. The only solution is a two-state solution. Period.
That was in jest, btw. About the most exciting rag I read is the Chronicle of Higher Education. Nonstop party.
Period….hmmm! That is up for debate and I am sure you and I would never come to agreement on it…so nuff said. You continue on with your annihilation theory and I will continue with self preservation for the Jews…57 states for the Muslims….1 for the Jews!
My posts have NO interest in illogical, self-contradictory responses. You are too proud of yourself and your brazen moral stupidity. Believing arbitrarily about when Life begins merely because it's convenient to your ideology is NOT worth intelligent discourse. When losing on grounds of logic and obvious science (LIFE begins at conception, it is dynamical over time, with personhood no less vital at conception than it is at adulthood), …such is typical of the immature lefty who changes subjects to avoid difficult equivocations. DO you believe the dynamical life of a person at alpha point means less to you than that of a PIG. You stand revealed as to what you think of all of us, and of life, in your arrogance of self-contradiction.
You keep posting about the "law of the land." The LAW of this land has been the Hyde Amendement which a "smart" history student like you should know better about. The health care bill, according to Stupak and now Obama's toothless executive order contradicting it, obliterates the Hyde Amendement (proving the Democratic Party really is the "Party of Death!") which prohibits federal money for abortions (this is because abortion is morally reprehensible to most Americans, obviously, AND THE HYDE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN THE LAW OF THE LAND for years, until now, and to which Obama is pathetically trying to pander with his toothless executive order despite his own Obamacare bill)!
See above 'bove..
My posts have NO interest in illogical, self-contradictory responses. You are too proud of yourself and your brazen moral stupidity. Believing arbitrarily about when Life begins merely because it's convenient to your ideology is NOT worth intelligent discourse. When losing on grounds of logic and obvious science (LIFE begins at conception, it is dynamical over time, with personhood no less vital at conception than it is at adulthood), …such is typical of the immature lefty who changes subjects to avoid difficult equivocations. DO you believe the dynamical life of a person at alpha point means less to you than that of a PIG. You stand revealed as to what you think of all of us, and of life, in your arrogance of self-contradiction.
Don't become obscene, like lefties usually love to do!
My goodness Stephen, you sure do like to cut and paste, don't you?
Riggghhtttttt….. no sexual misconduct coming from the right, eh?
Agreed to disagree.
Let me break it to you: birth certificates do NOT confer rights to murder the unborn. Most governments regulate abortion depsite also issuing driver's licenses & birth certificates for purposes of conveniently defining/conferring citizenship ONLY. A baby still in the womb does not NEED citizenship since it is totally dependent upon the body of its mother up until it is "viable." Last time I looked our government has, for years, regulated abortion, even limiting it to the first trimester. The DMV is not a scientific organization allowed to define when life begins, but merely issues citizenship documents and IDS and cannot define the dynamical beginning of any persons life, not even YOURS!. But GLAD to see you have such faith in your own government. No doubt you ALSO believe it's doing the morally correct thing with its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan… But nice try lefty! You need far more education in both government civics and moral philosophy!
Civility…I am impressed! And yes agree to disagree!
CORRECTION in my above: The DMV does NOT issue citizenship documents itself , but rather only ID's & driver's licenses, etc. Birth certificates are issued by hospitals and Dr's on behalf of the government….LOVE your government do ya???
Sticks and stones, Stephen. And let's remember here that while you are calling me immature, that it is YOU, in this discussion, who has resorted to inflammatory name-calling. How about we keep it civil, as I've done with you? Sure, there is a life form during all stages of pregnancy, but it is not a viable life outside the female. It is merely a collection of cells. And yes, a pig means more to me than a fetus. I've worked at a pig sanctuary, and they are awesome, intelligent animals. I simply don't subscribe to the speciest argument that humans, because of their superior intelligence, etc., makes us "better" or more important than any other species. You, I'm sure, disagree. That's fine. My beliefs don't make me arrogant, or immature, or stupid. They are simply different than yours. It's a big world, and there's room enough for both of our paradigms. Now play nice, please.
Now you see why I've got 75p. ;P
No….agree to disagree!
Believing "life begins at birth" (or so-called "viability") is merely a very selfish person's very immature, 'must-have' desire to ignore the "SCI(ENTIFIC EVIDENCE." The only explanation for such illogic is ideological convenience only. YOURS is neither good science, nor any sort of very humane philosophy (let's forget "religion" with any of you lefties, living as you must in the utterly self-absorbed "NOW"). Leftist so-called "science" as corrupted by short-sighted ideology: where have we heard before all about "science" now once again in the service of one's politics…SAD!
Wear the shoe: your arguments can be characterized as morally immature when they are so obviously self-contradictory, and also when you arrogantly characterize any position but your own as "mentally ill," deranged, etc (as elsewhere here in your posts). Get out of the kitchen if you cannot take the HEAT…or stick to the point rather than "whining" like far too many lefties!
A "rider" is the LAW whenever attached to legislation, …and I am not your "friend," …can't imagine who may be outside of your appallngly arrogant cultists…Do each of you believe such stupid nonsense??
I'm curious to know which national office your passport comes from. Would you indulge me?
The mentally ill quip was used as a boomerang snip to the poster who used that phrase to describe my belief system. Read one post up. And why are you so angry? And how am I being self-contradictory? And I obviously CAN stand the heat, because I'm a lefty who voluntarily engages in debate on Breitbart. How much time do you spend debating with liberals over at Huffpo? I thought so.
No "cut & paste," just repetiton for the appallingly arrogant and morally immature (synonymous with "ignorant" only for recalling my long experience with lefties: BTW, I was a 40 year peace activist, arrested three times for, and conscientious objector to the Vietnam War and unavoidable supporter of the Iraq War…
Stop thinking identity politics smearing lefty-bigoted categories of people!
But it is not a law, in and of itself. You called me out on my education. I was simply educating you on the semantics of legislative tools. All that said, you are obviously not mature enough to engage in a civil discourse without resorting to disrespectful name calling, so I have no further interest in speaking with you.
Murder is the illegal taking of a human life. Abortion is legal. Therefore, abortion is not murder. Good night.
Don't be cute! He has already proven it several times, but is far too modest to ever say. YOU on the other hand, are too lefty arrogant (self-righteously ignorant) to see this since YOU have acknowledged to the rest of us somewher here that anyone disagreeing with you must be mentally ill/deranged , etc. for not believing as you do…
It is the mark of the lefty that they are totally immune to seeing their own argumentative failings. IT has been my long experience wiht them that they are simply too arrogantly sef-righteous in being pumped up by their cult with indignation about it.
YOU THOUGHT SO?? Ignorantly arrogant much with your lefty presumptions…??
To call too many of your remarks as STUPID and arrogant is simply stating fact. You resort to "calling me out" on THAT fact whenever you have been BESTED in the argument and have nothing better to say. Childishly PATHETIC!.
Abortion was outlawed as murder long before Roe v Wade (where "Roe" herself has now changed her position on abortion). The ugly debate is on-going still, one within which you denigrate those who sincerely disagree with you in the appallingly offensive notion a dynamical pre-born human being is less than meaningless to you, less than a PIG. You have your moral priorities pathetically all wrong! BTW, it is the great original tragedy of mankind's life on earth that we ALL must eat meat and/or plant life. Some few scientists claim even plant life can have a kind of consciouness (as do most of your hippy friends, right?). Don't EAT Vegan, save a plant!
"Mentally ill?" Nice to see what you truly think about opinions different from yours…
BTW, conservatives feel that, rather than being "morally bankrupt' for pursuing their happiness,… our system of checks and balances is all about advocating for your OWN interests and leveling it out with theose of so many other citizens. It is NOT for anyone else to be advocating for anyone but themselves without direct authority to do so, "someone else" whose own interests they cannot truly know. The multiplicity of each us levels our public policies by each of us best representing his/her own individual interests, via the public forum. Only that , within our system of governement can best mold public policy which usually turns out in the public good. As a former community organizer I well know that poor people often need and benefit from organizing in unity for their individaul strength. But this only works when those individuals have a personal voice themselves in such organizations and NEVER just when liberals merely presume to speak for them!
Here is what you wrote, above, …and there's NO equivocal meaning to your own belief, as with so many hate-mongering lefties, that righty philosophy is "mentally ill," etc.:
andrea2929 75p · 8 hours ago
"And I, of course, consider the righy philosophy morally bankrupt and mentally ill, but that's why we vote, and that's why we get on these boards and volley back and forth. Nice that we live in a country where we are able to do that without getting our hands chopped off, eh? "
The Hyde amendment isn't a law. It's a rider. Learn the difference, my friend.
That's funny. Currently Dr.s treat Medicaid patients at a loss – as a community service. Obama will be paying Dr.s LESS than what the current Medicaid rates are, under a single payer system (he's stated this repeatedly). Your really think quality of service isn't going to deteriorate to BELOW Canadian or UK standards when Obama starts paying Dr.s and hospitals 20% LESS than the Medicaid rates they lose money on now?. Dream on.
Don't be cute! He has already proven it several times, but is far too modest to ever say. YOU on the other hand, are too lefty arrogant (self-righteously ignorant) to see this since YOU have acknowledged to the rest of us somewher here that anyone disagreeing with you must be mentally ill/deranged , etc. for not believing as you do…
'Scues me! am not sure WHY this post above is mis-posting into the wrong "reply" spot…
…was meant to be reply to "- Andrea2929" after following string:
- HumanPersonJr 94p · 1 day ago
I'm also an atheist, but it didn't make me stupid.
- andrea2929 75p · 1 day ago
Prove it.
Stephen · 4 hours ago
"Mentally ill?" Nice to see what you truly think about opinions different from yours…
BTW, conservatives feel that, rather than being "morally bankrupt' for pursuing their happiness,… our system of checks and balances is all about advocating for your OWN interests and leveling it out with these of so many other citizens. It is NOT for anyone else to be advocating for anyone but themselves without direct authority to do so, "someone else" whose own interests they cannot truly know. The multiplicity of each us levels out our public policies, by each of us best representing his/her own individual interests via the public forum. Only that , within our system of government can best mold public policy which usually then turns out to the public good. As a former community organizer, I well know that poor people often need and benefit from organizing in unity for their own individual strength. But this only works when those individuals have a personal voice themselves within such organizations, and NEVER just when liberals merely presume to speak for them!
Once we clear out the absurd levels of malpractice insurance they must carry, and once they are free to perform the kinds of treatments they feel are necessary (most health insurance firms deny 1/6th of all treatments), their actual income should be the same, if not greater. Additionally, GP rates will increase, which is very important, because right now we are facing a shortage as doctors head towards specialties that pay far more…. without this crucial element of preventative medicine readily available, we are forced into going to doctors only when we are very sick, which is far more expensive than emphasizing routine checkups that catch small problems before they become big ones.
Oh for god's sake, read the paragraph above my post. I was parroting.
… again with the bogus Dem talking points. the GOP proposed Tort reform to lower malpractice insurance and related costs. This idea was REJECTED by the Republicans. And insurance companies do not deny 1/6th of all treatment – they deny between 2% and 6%. And you want to guess where the highest claim rejection rate is? THE GOVERNMENT – Medicare with a 7% rejection rate, higher than any private insurance company. Can you guess what the rejection rate will be when it's all Medicare/Medicate all the time? And you don't think there will be a shortage of Dr. when they can no longer make a living as a GP working for the Govt plan? Right now the AMA survey says 35% of Dr.s say they will leave practice or set up private "cash-only" private practices if a single payer government system is implemented. Currently they say it takes a 12 to 14 MONTHS to get a claim for payment processed for Medicaid (which is why lots of Dr.s won't accept it). So lets expand Medicaid and see how long it takes – 18 months? 24 months? Eventually you will have a two tier system. Govt. Dr.s who provide low quality, stand in line, 3rd world medical care. And private, cash only clinics and hospitals that provide people who can afford it with decent care. It's what has happened in all the countries with "socialized" medicine.
[...] Here is the original: » Bart Stupak, Gullibility, Mendacity, and the Party of Death … [...]
So you say NOW, but you don't make a very good "parrot" in your statement above…
BTW, what's "God" have to do with it?—you're a proud self-proclaimed "atheist" who believes in "science" in the service of your ideology, REMEMBER…seems you are frustrated at being "hung by your own petard" yet again). Re-read your own words once in a while, you ought to be embarrassed by them and apologetic and NOT brazenly arrogant & dismissive just like the lefty you are. GROW UP!
BTW, what /who were you "parroting" when you said:
"righty philosophy is morally bankrupt" (…as well as "mentally ill")? SINCE you lefties do literally believe, as I well know from my years-long experience among you guys, that it is only YOU who hold any "moral" high ground and, yes, that everyone otherwise is simply a moral idiot or else has to be "mentally ill." THAT being JUST one of the vivid reasons I was "morally" revolted by such tiresome ideological immaturities (and happy to say goodbye to your ranks years ago). Your participation on this website is obviously merely to PROVE that lefty self-righteous self-conviction to each of us heathens…
BTW, nobody is watching anymore, you don't need to vote for yourself now…
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Kathleen Parker, 3/27:
"For one thing, the Hyde Amendment is a rider that must be lobbied and attached each year to the annual Labor/Health and Human Services appropriations bill. Under its terms, the amendment applies only to those funds.
Rather than following the usual course of funding community health centers (CHCs) through the Labor/HHS budget, the health-care-reform measure does an end run around Hyde by directly appropriating billions of dollars into a new CHC fund.
Because the Obama administration's "fix-it" bill did not include the abortion-ban language proposed by Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), those billions appropriated to CHCs simply are not covered by Hyde."
It is worth noting the VENAL DISHONESTY of Obama that he could use his presumed "considerable" intelligence in the service of signing not merely a 'toothless' Executive Order appeasing Stupak, but also in the service of devising such a totally DISHONEST Executive gambit very necessarily to passing Obamacare by Congress. ALL very knowingly devious,… but am yet left to wonder about this President's much vaunted intelligence nonetheless, not just fiscally. There is NO wondering about his moral quotient when it comes to his hyper own pro-abortion record…
Stupak the patsy…
[...] » Bart Stupak, Gullibility, Mendacity, and the Party of Death – Big Journalism [...]
Sorry for the late response as I have far more important things to do than converse with someone who obviously can't contend with the substance of my comment.
And that brings me to my next point…why would the origin of my passport be, in any way, relevant to the discussion? Answer: It wouldn't and so what I said previously holds true. If I said Zimbabwe, it changes nothing. If I said Australia, it changes nothing. If I said China, it changes nothing. If I said The United States of America, it changes nothing.
you lame retort wasn't directed at the infallible logic of my comment, but it was an attempt to discredit me. You failed…miserably…
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