A chilling and shockingly honest portrayal of poor immigration policy by CNN. This is a freak act of journalistic integrity aimed squarely upon the crippling policies of arch-tolerance and appeasement. CNN, for perhaps the first time I applaud you. In the light of recent events, let us not be too obtuse to the grasp that these people are taking dead aim at America.
“American Muslims are 10 years behind the struggle.”
– Cleric Anjem Choudary
If you are a peaceful Muslim, please comment on this. Let me know you find this equally offensive and confounding.
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To a democrat, this report would sheen off like water from a duck's back. Wake up people, the last brand of immigrant you'd ever want except in the smallest of minorities is a Muslim. Vote accordingly in Nov and beyond.
Islam is a religion only in the vaguest sense. It is a philosophy directly in opposition to democratic principles. Any politician who fails to understand this, for the sake of freedom of religion, diversity or any other form of delusion must be gotten rid of. And fast. They are dangerous.
Their primary goal is world domination and the installation of Sharia Law throughout the congquered lands. Muslims have no other purpose according to my interpretation of the Koran. Their purpose certainly is not to spread good through the world. We as a nation must stand up and run these filthy bztrds back from whence they have come. They are not our freinds, won't be our friends not ever. We as a nation must stand up to redefine religion and remove Islam from that list as recognizabel religions in and by American law. We must remove the profit from the religion, maybe reduciing the number of virgins to 2 or 3 as opposed to 72. If Muslim was a race like the left wants us to believe Mexican is a race. I would be the head racist what in charge.
Progressive reply to this report, "Aw, he's just one guy . This is just his opinion".
I will be waiting to find out how many peaceful Muslims find the video offensive and confounding. Do I have some Highs and lows here. Are there enough to even use the words peaceful and Muslim in the same paragraph?
The one thing that the US has that Europe and the UK specifically don't have is the 2nd amendment. The common people over there have no way to protect themselves short of government intervention. Through the foresight of our founders, we were given the tools and protections that will guarantee we won't go down without a fight. No matter who the enemy is, including a government in collusion with a group bent on the overthrow of our constitutional republic.
@Holdmynose
"Islam is a religion only in the vaguest sense. It is a philosophy directly in opposition to democratic principles."
@Rovers
"Their primary goal is world domination and the installation of Sharia Law throughout the congquered lands. … We as a nation must stand up to redefine religion and remove Islam from that list as recognizabel religions in and by American law"
Your ignorance and un-American bigotry are staggering. Fortunately, the Constitution ensures that losers like you have no ability to curtail religious freedom.
Why don't you entertain us all by explaining Turkey. It is 99.8% muslim, according the CIA World Factbook. It is a republican parliamentary democracy. Jews and Christians live there in peace.
Then explain the Republic of Indonesia. 86.1% Muslim. 5.7% Protestant. 3% Catholic. 2% Hindu. Again, that's republic.
Show us your smarts.
Your ignorance and bigotry are staggering.
It would be very nice if moderate non-totalitarian Muslims would stand up to these clowns. I really hope there are moderate Muslims out there who can help us fight against the extremists within the faith. It would make life a lot easier.
Will the real Islam please stand up? Or has it already, and we just don't want to hear it?
Ummm……this is kind of old. November, 2009. If we haven't heard from "peaceful muslims" by now, we're not going to.
Turkey has been slipping back into the Islamist pit since this new Prime Minister was elected two years ago.
Turkey is gone.
A Muslim nation cannot countenance democracy. We have been deluding ourselves. It is truly lipstick on a pig–no offense intended.
Nice try on Indonesia. Their minorities are barely tolerated. And what's a beheading every once in a while?
Google " Indonesia" +"beheading" and learn.
I would like to know when the last time you were in Turkey or any other Islamic controlled country….hmmm. Well if you are Christian you can not build a church anywhere near a Mosque, most "churches" are peoples homes which are frequently raided by local officials. Oh and good luck getting a job or applying for a new business license if you are non Muslims you are considered a 2nd class citizen. I can go on and on but that would bring too many facts into this conversation from someone that has lived it.
And just to clarify something just because you call yourself a Republic does not make you a a representative form of government, case in point the People's Republic of China.
Ignorance? You mean like the ignorance of your supremely stupid statements in the face of the indesputable facts presented by CNN in that video? You mean THAT ignorance?
Or do you mean like the ignorance of your complete lack of knowledge and understanding of Islam? Is it that?
It's all that ignorance for you and more. Tell you what, GFY. Nobody cares what you and your ilk think. You're going extinct soon. See November 2nd.
Actually Turkey has been backsliding for years, back in the 70's they forced the Orthodox church to close their only seminary. No orthodox seminary, no orthodox priests, no orthodox priests, no orthodox church. No orthodox christian church and ignorant trolls like progressing are overjoyed. Fortunately, as BBrianL pointed out, we have a second amendment to protect us from Islamic intolerance, ignorance and bigotry.
true, the Turkey of Attaturk is fading away…
Once upon a time the Turkish military would have overthrown Erdogan. Now, it, too, is compromised. The Turks smell weakness, and restoring the Ottoman Empire is an attractive goal. Someone needs to be the world's Islamic leader, and they'll be damned if they cede that to Iran.
That said, this cleric- and others like him- are members of the Muslim Brotherhood which was Nazi financed and organized, along with the Baath Party, in the '30's. Most rank and file muslims have no use for this; they just don't.
But they suck all the air out of the balloon, and it seems they are speaking for the entire world of Islam.
They aren't. More muslims are asian (Indonesia) than semitic. So, this is a political movement first, and foremost- and it is closely allied with the Progressive movement. They both seek totalitarianism…
"Progressing" such a wonderful name to use as you defend a oppressing ideology, you really are not worth 0.0001 cent of electric this post is taking but I do have a suggestion for you, move to turkey, iran and any number of "stan' countries. you will not be missed in any western country if you do.
I have no great insight or solution to the problem of radical islam and to those who want to impose their wills on others as demonstrated in the video. Is US foreign policy the problem, or is the problem that islamic theocratic countries do not allow for the peaceful venting of political or economic frustration, and that in some cases (as I understand it), those countries allow for the (alleged) distortion of Islam as a way to focus attention on the US instead of on the restrictive policies of the local government?
Was the problem of Nazi Germany really the Jews, or was it the stifling effect of German socialism, thus allowing the Nazis to blame the Jews rather than their own policies?
Perhaps the US should immediately withdraw from the middle east, thus depriving the radicals of their greatest rationale for hating the US. Perhaps the US should close the borders to all arabs or muslims and immediately cease all foreign aid.
Certainly, though, if either of those actions were taken, there should be the proviso that if a single act of islamic violence should happen to a US interest anywhere in the world, Mecca will be vaporized within 15 minutes.
That might be a good way to determine who is rattling the cage of discontent and who is just minding their own business.
You are blatantly not a student of world events – your ignorance is brighter than the sun. Christians, Hindus and Jews are being slaughtered in the streets of Turkey and Indonesia. Their churches are being burned to the ground on a weekly basis. in the last decade, Turkey's non-muslim population has dwindled by 1,000 fold. in both nations, non-muslims are second class citizens by law.
get your facts straight, and grow the hell up, you idiot
Muzzies are vermin.
Obama Endorses Mosque, AT THE PENTAGON!
http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=10223957
1. The Quran REQUIRES Muslims to LIE TO NON-BELIEVERS in order to advance Islam and Sharia Law, it is called "taqiyya." UNLESS YOU ARE A MUSLIM, EVERYTHING THEY TELL YOU IS A LIE!
2. The early passages of "peace" in the Quran are followed by later passages REQUIRING ACTS OF VIOLENCE against non-believers. The Quran itself instructs that THE LATER VERSES OF VIOLENCE SUPERSEDE AND OVERRULE THE EARLIER VERSES OF PEACE!
3. The Quran states that IT IS THE DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM TO INSTITUTE MANDATORY, WORLD-WIDE SHARIA LAW. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEACEFUL MUSLIM, the Quran does not allow it.
Three Things You Should Know About Islam…
http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=16114973
Thanks Benny, even though it was a bit "backhanded", there was some praise there.
I think it's important to praise the LSM when we see a genuinely fair report. After all, if they're not going to get any reward for being fair, why should they?
Yeah.I tell you.
I live in NYC.And even the self-proclaimed and seemingly "peaceful" muslims were celebrating and excited about the flotilla "victory" and how they beat down jews.Turks especially.
I had remained neutral as I like to get a real perspective.
These people come to a country and change the judicial system and all.For a religion people let them?
The WORLD should have a problem with this.And yes,they know and use "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
I think it is the secularists' achilles heel that he doesn't understand religious conviction. Nuking Mecca won't demonstrate that Allah has no power, it wil prove to the zealot that we are all worthy of extermination. Our alternatives are limited 1. work from the outside to reduce their economic, political, and military power through regular engagement (i.e. war) 2. work from the inside to try and "fatten them up" so they destroy themselves with decadence and prosperity
That's more or less the response many so-called conservatives offer when a Muslim denounces terrorism or radicalism.
Except it's more along the lintes of "this is just one guy. Moreover, it doesn't support my narrative, so I'll simply refuse to acknowledge it."
No matter what "progressing" might blather on about. Islam is not a "religion". It isn't a personal belief system that becomes the foundation between you and your relationship to God. It is, instead, a religious ideology that requires the individual submit to the powers of the clerics. Not God, not written and just law, but to OTHER PEOPLE. Who is the authority in Islam? Not the Koran. The Imams, the clerics, the people who control the money and courts and police, that's who. Those who create the rules and dole the punishments, are the same who control the money, the property, business, politics, etc. There IS NOT SPACE in Islam for the "moderates" to complain to. They do not, and have never had any control or influence over their "religion". It controls them, or other, the definers of their religion control them. Without recourse and without room for dissent.
It seems astonishing to say and to hear that the United States' "alternatives are limited." It was one thing to say that the country had to tread lightly, use diplomacy, build up the military, etc etc when the enemy was the Soviet Union; it is quite jarring (not to mention a cause for pondering the stupidity of letting things get to this point) when the enemy are "camel riding nomads" who "got in a lucky sucker punch" in the words of Ann Coulter.
The United States' greatest strength–economic and political freedom–has become its greatest weakness. Political Correctness has run amok within the ruling structures (gov't, education, media) and effectively disarmed the US. So much emphasis on Tolerance (it being sold as being the source of American greatness. WRONG) for newcomers while having zero expectation that the newcomers would show any respect for the traditions and customs of the country that was nice enough / stupid enough to let them in.
Con't…
Con't…,.
In doing so, the entire purpose of the United States–a meritocracy–has been turned upside down to the point that excuses must be made for worthlessness, a mediocracy if you will.
Nuking Mecca would have one effect: "F*** around with us and you're next."
Islam and communism:
Both require at least ritual expression of belief by the masses. Dissent is forcibly sanctioned.
Both intrude into and control most of your life.
Both are defined by those in power.
Both believe that "success" requires universal imposition – world-wide.
Both consist of small corrupt cabals that control all the money and power and force.
Both claim to be creating some form of utopia for the benefit of the subjects.
Bolth supress human intellectual capital and reward sycophantic loyalty.
Both are abject failures – those subject to them suffer endless want, need, and repression.
No wonder liberals love both.
"Then explain the Republic of Indonesia. … that's republic. "
So were the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Yes, for the last 12 years the people have enjoyed more freedoms, relative to other muslim nations. I hope it lasts. For the 30 years preceding that, however, it was a military dictatorship under general Suharto.
Turkey's freedoms are the legacy of the work of Mustafa Atatürk the founder of modern Turkey, who was a big fan of the Age of Enlightenment, the western philosophy that was predominate at the time of the American Revolution, and shaped the founding of both countries.
So your two examples are complete aberrations, which is of course why you chose them. One is barely a decade old, and the other was shaped by the same philosophies that shaped America and Europe.
You only dug as far as the names of these countries ("Republic of…") to make your point, rather than actually learning something about the countries. To me, that is ignorance. And what's worse, it's willful ignorance – the quality of ignorance combined with a willingness to stay that way. I suppose this is the same reason many people think the Democrat party is actually democratic.
As for bigotry: Is it more bigoted to make excuses for the murder and wanton bloodshed in the Islamic world because "it's just their way," or to hold a people to the same standard to which you hold your own?
Well stated and it is all right there for anyone willing to listen and learn. If we don't get rid of these politicians, we can expect the same type of results as when the French and English elites decided they knew how to handle Hitler and we all know the results of that fiasco.
If you read anything other than Daily Kos, you would understand that Turkey is by no means a Constitutional Democracy. Erdogan is eliminating the military, which ran the nation as a military dictatorship since Ataturk formed it, and is now turning it back into an Islamists state.
I'm afraid sir, you can best be described as a "Useful Idiot".
"Their purpose certainly is not to spread good through the world."
Hell they can't even spread anything good in their own back yards, much less the rest of the world. Any group of assholes that don't even respect the lives of their own wives and children certainly don't give a rat's ass about anyone else, especially some Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. strangers.
Then the French and English elites thought they understood the Muslims, that's working for them too.
Decieving the infidel is a basic tenet of Islam. Like for instance " My name is Achmed and I am very very peaceful, I swear to Allah". See how easy that was?
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I'd be more accepting of your statement if I actually saw more than the occasional Muslim standing up against this stuff. To the best of my knowledge, nearly all of the most prominent advocates against Islam are either kaffir or apostates.
Turkey had, until recently, a secular leader which used the power of the military to enforce secularism. Turkey's leaders were, until recently, smart enough to realize that if they caved to Islam, then the clerics would eventually seize their power.
They are now slipping back into the totalitarian goo, and their polices towards Israel and the West have been shifting accordingly.
Well, there are some peaceful muslims speaking up. They're just all apostates now who live in constant fear of a righteous former co-religionist executing them for the glory of Allah.
"Why don't you entertain us all by explaining Turkey."
Done. Turkey is a rare exception in the sewer of fundamentalist anti-secular Islam, it is the work of one man's singular vision, Attaturk. It never has nor never will translate into the anything beyond those borders.
It's not bigotry but fact to call most Islamic countries failed states by every economic and civil society metric.
Your ignorance of Islam is staggering.
Waiting, waiting, waiting since 9/11 for that take-it-to-the-streets or paid whole page apology for the vicious state of Islam and its terrorism.
There are no excuses for the deafening silence. Either you are economic carpetbaggers or you are assimilating citizens here, which is it, Americam Muslims?
You do and I thankyou. Was gonna respond to the DA myself but so many have done much better than I could have.
There is no standard. Dems would gloss over this
How sad.
Agreed. Sometimes the rebound scores.
Exactly and a victory here is a victory for all the Muslim world.
T Roosevelt had a great speech on that point.
Iran is a perfect picture of this…
The differences are perfectly stated. The difference in Christianity is the new testament?
Never hurts to give them a chance…. but yeah…..
I cannot find a single instance…..
Tradition in what way?
hahahahaha
hahah perfect.
I would be the head racist what in charge.– can you explain this statement?
How would you propose this?
don't nuke Mecca, target the leaders who espouse violence. they find it very easy to tell others to become martyrs for Islam. let's see how THEY like it. take the dirtbags like the ones in this video who praise Bin Laden and support jihad and kill them. don't use their tactics of blowing up public places and killing dozens of innocent bystanders, either. use surgical, specific targeting to take out them and only them.
then let's see how many crawl out of the woodwork to take their place.
"understand religious conviction" e.g. Zealot, It is true that it is almost impossible to take these down short of genocide, or in the terms of a Islamic "religious cleansing" which is to them common practice.
And these, "1. work from the outside to reduce their economic, political, and military power through regular engagement (i.e. war) 2. work from the inside to try and "fatten them up" so they destroy themselves with decadence and prosperity" also have a place, and can be quite effective. But I will not say we are limited to that.
What needs done is to treat this enemy of the state as such! They need to be shown that they cannot and will not be allowed to continue as if this was still the 5th century… This is WAR and by god it needs to be treated as one.. The tree hugging peaceniks are rolling on their backs legs up in the position of submission. The dam media needs to be out of the loop in military matters during this WAR. I am really sorry to say this but WTF has this great nation come to? While I am only in my mid 40's I can see how the USA worked back in WWII, the media was on OUR side, Hollywood was on OUR side, if someone sided with the ENEMY then they were the ENEMY as well. And if someone leaked out military info, may god have mercy on their soul.
NOW PEOPLE LETS GET WITH THE PROGRAM…
*rant off*
Right off the top of my head, how about we start with "assimilation"? Is it a good or a bad thing for an immigrant to show a certain amount of deference or thanks to their new home, rather than signing up with the ACLU and the Democrat Party in order to demand / reap all the bennies?
Is it a good thing or bad thing for a host nation to limit the number of immigrants from every country / race / ethnicity / religion, whatever?
I think at the root of it all, whether one talks about illegal immigrants or muslims (to cite two examples that are recently in the news) they seem to put their identity as Latinos or Muslims ahead of their identity as Americans.
You're being bitch slapped, progtard. Where'd ya go?
Sling bullshit and hide, huh?
In theory that is a good idea; to kill the perps and not innocents. But that puts the US in the position of being on defense when it is supposed to be on offense.
We've all heard about the ridiculous Rules of Engagement…..
While nuking might be a bit extreme, as might be the Curtis LeMay strategy of encircling Tokyo in flames and then sending in more bombers to fill in the centre, the US MUST get out of the mindset of not wanting to offend anyone. No one else seems to show any compunction about offending America and Americans.
The US got kicked in the nuts on Sept 11th and now finds itself in the position of having to apologize for having nuts that were available to kick.
If the US won't stand up for itself, it deserves to fall down on itself, into its own footprint, leaving behind no trace of its existence.
I keep hearing people say the problem is not with "building another mosque," but with insisting on building one on THAT specific location. They say there are already 100 mosques in NYC, and they don't care if the Muslims build another one – as long as it isn't in that particular spot.
Well, I care if they build another one! As long as the goal of Islam is to defeat anyone who is not Islamic, I have a problem with building mosques. I had a problem with it when our last president kept referring to Islam as a "religion of peace."
From what I have read, "peaceful Muslims" are "backslidden Muslims."
Not only does Islam build mosques over sites of Islamic "victories," but they also like to acquire other church buildings and convert them to mosques – thus marking their territory and signaling a "win."
Some years ago, I read that the U.K. had a whole lot of empty church buildings that were being converted to mosques.
This didn't just start, folks. If people don't wake up and quit trying to tippie-toe around this, they're not going to like what they find when they do wake up! But, by then, it'll be too late to stop it. Just ask an older native of the U.K. or Europe.
do you get it now?
I guess there are fanatics in every religion, but they are usually criticized and shunned by mainstream members. In Islam, the fanatics are seldom criticized by other Muslims. That is a big and important difference.
Where were the female muslim protesters? Why dose the muslam symbol allways sit atop a phallic symbol? These Islamists are SEXISTS !
Islam is the problem. It is a satanic cult, and if we fail to label it we can't fight it. Let us call a spade, a spade. Religions people should do their missionary work right here in our urban centers among the savage muslim. Bring them the word as Nancy Pelosi said.
Thanks for your insightful comments.
I never was appraised of the Iran issue in this context.
It is because of people like you that one can learn and, hopefully, grow.
Thanks again from Los Angeles.
I'm not so sure it's that they are 10 years behind as much as the very fabric of our society holds them at a stale mate. I'd never be so presumptious as to say there are no militia's in europe but i never hear about them. I would guess most of that is due to strict gun control. Plus the brutality of our street gangs are unparralled and i'm pretty sure the muslims are smart enough to know that MS-13 isn't going to take kindly to them hurting their profits. Throw in white power movements and your average tin foil helmet wearing militias and you have a ton of armies that are even more entrenched and better supplied then they are. Add on to that our prediposition to riot along racial lines and i'd bet they wouldnt feel so secure challenging our society as much as they do frances.
About time. I'm also against further mosque-building. As long as Islam is Islam, it isn't worthy of existing. Why we would continue to welcome this crap to western lands is beyond me — other than the fact that both Islam and the left share a common hatred of western freedom.
thanks for the very kind words…
Yea i have to agree with desertmick. i was just thinking about the ottoman empire and how we are witnessing another religous (or political as the case may be) crusade. When i saw your comment on the relationship between turkey and iran, it was a total aha! moment. All those what the heck moments ive had reading about turkey (especially after the flotilla incident) just became much clearer.
Thanks for the shout out.
hey Progressing – i was going to school you on the CIA, turkey, indonesia, and islam in general, however, i can see you have had your nuts crushed repeatedly, so i'm just going to sit here and laugh at you.
by the way, there some things you should know about the CIA world factbook:
1. the version you have access to is the unclassified version, which leaves out a large portion of the country research.
2. it is not updated regularly, and is not necessarily accurate because it is simply human intelligence collected by a few agents who only see a portion of the demographic.
anyway, i'm still laughing, and you've been verbally knocked the F*** out. if you think we're so bigoted, i urge you: do as i have done, go to several different countries in southwest asia and even attempt to get to know/help a "normal" muslim. you'll find out their goals and views soon enough, and be horrified at how wrong you were.
there are no "moderate, non-totalitarian muslims." there are just the ones who are outspoken and blow things up, and the ones who stay quiet, pretending to distance themselves, but in reality are quietly waiting for shari'a law to take over.
I’d love to see them try doing that here in the US because I have a simple 2nd amendment solution I’d like to try at a terrorist rally it will quickly end any dreams to dominate anyone & then their buddies in the MSM can stop asking Sharon Angle what she meant.
A broken clock is right twice a day! any particular reason the trollop was repeating itself?
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I am a peaceful muslim American. I am a strong conservative. I find what is in this video offensive. I find any religion wiggling its way into running a state offensive.
I am an American. I can tell you that almost all muslim Americans would not want Shariah or Islamic rule in the US. I say that as someone who interacts with muslims daily and goes to Mosque at least once a week.
I could go on and on in here. It saddens me terribly to see the posts here. The hatred and anger towards my faith is understandable, but it hurts nonetheless. Please think carefully before you post these things. Most American muslims were historically Republicans. Most are conservative politically. But the insults to our faith and blatant misrepresentations are a turn off. The comments I see in here remind me of the offensive things I see said about Christianity on Comedy Central and other lefty organizations. Please do not embarrass the conservative movement further by bashing us. Some of you probably even really believe you are speaking "truth" and not opinions, but you are not. Even if some ex-muslim or radical muslim said something somewhere does not mean whatever it is reflects the common view. Since I interact with thousands of Muslims a year, I can assure you most things that are said here about islam or muslims are as false as Comedy Central interpretations of Christians. Are they right?
In any case, in case you wondered what an American Muslim thinks:
1] The republican party is the best American political party.
2] Osama bin Laden is evil. If I get near him I will kill him.
3] The people who attacked us on 9/11 were muslims. Idiots. Terrorists. But muslims.
4] Most terrorists today are muslims.
5] Terrorism is evil and must be condemned unequivocably.
6] The so called Mosque (It is not a mosque) should not be built near ground zero.
7] I love Jesus.
8] Muhammad did bad things and sinned.
9] Muhammad did good things and was a prophet.
10] Muhammad is only a man. Not the son of God and not to be worshipped.
11] I hate terrorists. I hate people who are muslim and engage in terrorism.
12] Hamas is a terrorist organization. So is Hezbollah. And by the way, they held me for hours in Beruit a few years ago and gave not one whit that I was Muslim. Only that I was American. I did not enjoy their company.
13] I don't eat pork. So do Jewish people. I respect Christianty and Judaism. Jews will go to heaven as will Christians.
14] America has nothing to apologize for.
15] Israel has every right to exist and should not be attacked. Palestinians should ONLY peacefully protest for their grievances.
16] Iran should be nuked if they develop a nuke. We should support an Israeli attack.
17] Shariah should not exist any more
18] I love Allah.
19] Islam needs a reformation.
20] America is the BEST country on earth.
Some of you please stop being bigots. Be as respectful to me as I am to you. We ARE out there
Funny you should use Turkey and it's "99.8% Muslim" population when the reason it's 99.8% Muslim is that they murdered all the Christians years ago. And they are bitter enemies to this day with their neighbors over their continued denial of the genocide they committed. Now that there are so few Jews (who mostly lived in territories stripped from the Turks) and Christians left they reserve their hatred for their fellow Muslims, the Kurds.
The one thing non-Muslims have going for them is that in the Muslim world if you suffer 10 times the casualties of your enemy you declare "victory" and celebrate.
"As for bigotry: Is it more bigoted to make excuses for the murder and wanton bloodshed in the Islamic world because "it's just their way," or to hold a people to the same standard to which you hold your own?"
This was classic and should be repeated often.
Well, I might just believe you. We've heard from 2 Canadian Muslim women who have spoken out against the mosque. There is another American Muslim who is also a former Naval Officer who has written a statement to the President regarding his support for the mosque. See National Review's The Corner today. And I heard a black American Muslim phone into the Mark Levin show today who also said that he is against terrorism and the mosque.
If you really are all that you say you are – please have more of your people speak out. If you are are all that you say you are, then I believe that as you and your brothers and sisters stand up, you will see that a lot of Americans will have your back and will protect you from the terrorists. Please explain that to your fellow Muslims – be not afraid, if you stand up, we will stand with you. You can't be silent anymore. There are technically more of YOU than there are of THEM. You outnumber them. Surround them. Find your courage and we will be there for you.
/// "……you can best be described as a "Useful Idiot". " ///
Seeing as how he got owned in this thread by several commenters, I'd say he's no longer useful.
I agree with what you say, the problem is in recent years muslims like you have been drowned out by the radical Muslims and either moderate muslims have not stepped up enough or are just out numbered by the radicals but either way the result is what you see now the voice of Islam heard most often is of Radicals, I can understand your hurt to hear insults being hurled at your religion, Moderate Muslims are also responsible for the current image of Islam because they have let thier religion be high jacked by these people when they could and should have strongly renounced every terrorist action and organazation but we have very rarely seen that happen. Since Muslim leaders around the world have been largely silent the Silence is seen as an endorsement by the terrorist themselves and the rest of the world.
/// "Sling bullshit and hide, huh? " ///
It's what they do best. Well, maybe next to vote fraud.
Shh! Don't tell the troll or he'll roll up in a fetal position and we'll have another lefty to feed and cloth.
Then please do all of us who don't care what religion you practice and stay here at the Bigs and keep commenting. If you are real, we will all know and appreciate. If you are not, that will become obvious to all as well. If you really believe that communication will help the American muslims and show the true bigots that you are just as much an American as the rest of us, please stay and inform us.
(no shill for the bigs here, just that you will reach a lot of people who have open minds but are conservative)
So my first question for enlightenment. What is the difference between an American muslim and an Islamist? What is the difference between being Islam and a muslim?
Great to hear words of reason from a fellow American. Don't let those who misunderstand your religion and your views get you down. Speaking as a Christian, I know that the Bible has been twisted to support all sorts of vile deeds over the centuries and It may well be that has happened to the Koran as well. Of course there are peace loving Muslims all around the world, but we tend to forget about them, they don't make good headlines or YouTube videos. Jesus taught us that the two greatest commands are to love your neighbor as you love yourself and to love God above all else. With these two laws there is no need for any others. It seems to me that we are not all that different. You may need to keep reminding us though.
I agree with every point except #16. Iran should not be nuked. While I support military action against Iran, the vast majority of Iranians are good freedom loving people who have a right to live their lives in peace. If the repressive regime should use nuclear weapons against Israel it will probably happen, but lets pray that it doesn't come to that.
Thanks for the insight, brother.
"…thus marking their territory and signaling…"
Kinda like rats?
Those who don't know history are doomed to be consumed by it. I don't care to be an "innocent bystander". I know (some history), and so do you… No more "Alamo" -this time we win with overwhelming force (of ideas/philosophy)… pantie-waste Leftards may force me to become a Texan (not that there's anything wrong with that…), and I will if I must… America is the exception -we must preserve her…
I am no shill. Several of the writers in the bigs are friends with me on facebook and I mean actual friends. I am also good personal friends with another muslim who has written fantastic articles on Soviet influence operations, Kent Clizbe. Didn't know he was a Muslim? Check his Bio on here. He is a convert and a true patriot for this country. I have written to the Big's editors volunteering to be a writer if the start a site. I think I had read they would start something called Big Tolerance. Which would be "non-traditional" conservatives. Gays, Muslims, Women, Jews, Atheists, whatever. All the things everyone ASSUMES would automatically be a lefty.
We muslims really are important in dealing with the terrorists. We are in the Mosques, and believe me, I speak out if someone occasionally says something negative about America. I also don't know this as a fact, but if one day we find out the details of our operations against Al-Queda, you are going to find out that at least a few muslim Americans went "under cover" and gave up their existing lives and went into places like Pakistan and got critical intelligence. We can act as spies that way in a way that is harder for non-muslims. We know all the details. Even if we disagree with fundamentalist idiots, we know a lot more than non-muslims about where that thinking came from and can impersonate them better. I am convinced that there are a few muslims out there right now working for America by pretending to be Al Queda wannabees.
To the other two posters here, I really appreciate what they say. I feel I need them to watch my back. I have and will continue to stand up to fundamentalists and I do what I can. It is a little hard you know. We have to live our "normal" lives too. I don't run around being a professional muslim all day. I have a job, kids, a house, a wife, etc. I do what I can. I do as much as I can. Sometime I take risks that my wife doesn't appreciate. I got in an argument with a Lebanese guy on a street in Bahrain during the Iraq war for the nonsense he was saying about America and Bush. i was quite loud and people started gathering. You can argue, as my wife did, that I have kids to come home to and I don't need to stand up to the people, but I have another view. I have muslim-American kids to come home to and they better be damn proud of America and ALSO willing to stand up to anti-american idiots.
America has welcomed us. I am ashamed that people who were muslims attacked my country. I will continuously and probably for the rest of my life keep trying to make up for those idiots. But I will never stop loving america. No other place would give us the freedoms to be whatever we want to be. That means being whatever kind of muslim by the way. In many islamic countries, they are not only intolerant against other religions, but also variations of islam.
My muslim brothers are 100's of years behind my American brothers in thinking. They WILL get there. They have to. It may take the rest of my life and more. But we have to change that thinking.
Thank you very much for replying to my post. I feel very proud to be an American.
I believe the religion is Islam and it's adherents are Muslims.
No problem, and I understand your point on 16. It is frustrating when i listen to idiots like Bin Laden talk. I understand him directly and I understand his nuances. He takes verses from the Quran, like the rest of his Wahhabbi brethren and takes them out of context. Even skipping important words in Arabic. He will then ignore extremely important other verses that contradict his interpretation. For example, the Quran tells Muslims that we should respect the Torah and the Injil (The Gospels). It says 5 different places that Good Christians (and Jews) will go to heaven. It says to not compel anyone of another religion to do something from your religion. I could go on. Bin Laden is an extremist who ignores these things.
Christians are my brothers. In Islam we say we are fellow People of the Book. We believe we worship the same God. We disagree on exactly the nature of Jesus, but to us he is a great Prophet. He was born of a Virgin Mary and he will return on Judgement day to help God judge the living and the dead.
I go to Churches sometimes and I am always impressed and very respectful. I think Churches are beautiful and Christian services are moving. I feel God in Churches just as I do in Mosques. I have been to a Synagogue once. My wife wears Hijab (headscarf – her choice – no requirement in Islam), so there were concerned people since it was an Orthodox Syangogue where she sat with the women. I felt God in that Synagogue. The Cantor was beautiful. The Torah must be respected by Muslims.
I am sorry these fundamentalists idiots have gained so much sway. We will defeat their ideas.
That's a really good question. I think an Islamist is a political point of view. They are muslims who believe in a form of Political Islam. They think the constitution of a country should be the Quran. An American Muslim should NEVER accept that point of view. First of all, the Quran demands no particular political system.Also, we are AMERICANS. Our founding fathers put together a document that IS the best form of government. We swear allegience to it. I am disappointed how much we have ignored it in recent decades. The expansion of the commerce clause and the ignoring of the 10th amendment have been terrible. By the way, I am not only a muslim, but a proud tea partier!
I am assimilated. Most muslims have assimilated very well in America.
I believe those seeking God will find him, and the Jewish, Christian and Muslim gods are all the same God. Only the prophets differ. I actually come from a teaching that denies the trinity, believing that Jesus is the "son of God", not God himself, so we might not be all that far apart on the nature of Jesus.
As moving as a church, synagogue or mosque may be, I think the most moving religious experience I've ever had was the military burial for an old marine who earned two purple hearts in the Pacific.
Yeah. I can understand that. Those men who fought in any of our wars are all Heroes and deserve our thanks every day.
Bless you, and "peace be unto you".
Agreed, that was a moment of clear, brilliant thinking. The leftist crying about bigotry often doesn't realize their own soft bigotry and racism towards minorities here in the USA, and different religions/cultures abroad.
I would add that the nomenclature of western institutions, terms like "democracy", "republic", "president" or "prime minister" have been bastardized, first by Marxists and now by Islamist and tin-pot dictatorships around the world, all assuming the outward appearance and titles of a representative republic, without any actual representation or freedom being accorded to their peoples.
Indonesia, as of the 2000 census, only recognized six religions: Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confusianism. To get an ID card (in other words, to have goverment services available), people had to identify as one of the above. Now, if you were not so much a Moslem as, say, an atheist, a Sikh, a Jew, an animist (all of which have small populations in the country). What would you say to the nice government worker when he asks you your religion?
The majority (over 4.1 M of around 6.9M) of all Catholics live in one province, East Nusa Tenggara. This is one of Indonesia's poorest and most neglected provinces. The central government treats it like crap. For example, completion of secondary education in the province runs at about 40%, while it is over 80% nationwide.
By the way, the Suharto regime was rabidly anti-Chinese, so the Confusianists pretty much were persecuted underground and haven't recovered.
I won't embarrass you by mentioning East Timor (which was also treated shamefully by the US by the way).
So much for the fabulous Indonesian (hint: look up the word 'fabulous').
As for Turkey, did you know that the current Bartholomew I, Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople (the patriarch of the Orthodox Church) is likely to be the last of an unbroken chain of bishops running from about 330AD. This is because the Turkish government has (a) shut down the only Orthodox seminary in the country and (b) requires that religious leaders in Turkey be Turkish citizens. This is a practical (and obvious) strategy to extinguish the Orthodox Church in Turkey by preventing it from forming any younger clergy who will be legally eligible for election.
Another good example of religious tolerance. Turkey being a republic and all that.
As anyone with eyes can see, I am ignorant and bigoted.
Present day examples of Muslim societies don't speak well for Islam. If there is any hope of change it will not be from people who ignore the real and sickening problems in contemporary Islam. There may be some hope in people like reagonmuslim. I wish him well.
How refreshing. Thank you so much for your comments. Question, do you beleive a majority of Muslims in the world agree with this stance? I am honestly wondering, you seem extremely well informed.
You should speak at the Tea Party, they would love you.
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