The lefties on Twitter are very upset with their favorite paper, The New York Times. They’ve even started a hashtag (#NewNYTSlogans) attacking them for the apparent lack of dedication to truth that the paper has exhibited of late in its pages.
An article titled, “Should The Times Be a Truth Vigilante?” is what has sent them into full-fledged mockery mode and, as best I can understand it, they believe that the Times has basically acknowledged that the truth and fact checking are not top priorities in The New York Times newsroom.
They don’t sound too terribly off from opinions expressed on the right about the Paper of Record. Perhaps we’ve reached a point where we can all agree that this old world rag is nothing but a liberal front and about as unbiased as Dan Rather?
Not exactly. These folks are actually upset that the newsroom isn’t inserting their opinion enough. And it looks like the Times is interested in hearing out their complaint.
In the article, New York Times Public Editor Arthur Brisbane is asking readers pointedly whether or not their “hard news division” is inserting enough of their personal perspective into articles outside of the editorial section.
I’m looking for reader input on whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts” that are asserted by newsmakers they write about.
I assume “facts” is put in quotes to indicate that they are anything but “facts,” which would leave only a handful of possibilities: they are opinions, interpretations, theories, or lies. I further assume that such “facts” are therefore the responsibility of the “fact” giver to back up and would not only be subject to the counter “facts” from the Paper of Record if there is a verifiable way to disprove what is being said.
Brisbane helpfully provides some examples of the “facts” in question so that we can see what this brave new world could look like if the Times writers were to become “Truth Vigilantes” as the headline calls them:
One example mentioned recently by a reader: As cited in an Adam Liptak article on the Supreme Court, a court spokeswoman said Clarence Thomas had “misunderstood” a financial disclosure form when he failed to report his wife’s earnings from the Heritage Foundation. The reader thought it not likely that Mr. Thomas “misunderstood,” and instead that he simply chose not to report the information.
Interestingly, this reader seems to completely miss what a “fact” is. In this entire excerpt there is only one fact: that Clarence Thomas is expressing what he personally did or did not understand, a perspective which he alone is capable of knowing. If there were documents that could show something to the contrary (perhaps an email with Thomas saying “Dude, I totally knew that I had to report that), then I would agree that Liptak would be completely within journalistic standards to present that information as counter evidence.
But, let’s use this new method that the Times is playing with and the leftosphere is so intent on and see how it works out. The following will be my attempt at rewriting the article while addressing the concerns that the reader had.
From the original article:
Justice Thomas said that in his annual financial disclosure statements over the last six years, the employment of his wife, Virginia Thomas, was “inadvertently omitted due to a misunderstanding of the filing instructions.”
[...]
Bob Edgar, president of Common Cause, said he found Justice Thomas’s explanation about the omission to be “implausible.”
As a Supreme Court justice who regularly hears complex legal cases, “it is hard to see how he could have misunderstood the simple directions of a federal disclosure form.”
And now the “Truth Vigilante” version. Changes in bold:
Justice Thomas said that in his annual financial disclosure statements over the last six years, the employment of his wife, Virginia Thomas, was “inadvertently omitted due to a misunderstanding of the filing instructions. What a load!11!”
[...]
Bob Edgar, president of Common Cause, said he found Justice Thomas’s explanation about the omission to be “implausible,” as I, the writer of this article do as well.
As a Supreme Court justice who regularly hears complex legal cases, “it is hard to see how he could have misunderstood the simple directions of a federal disclosure form.” Given that this expert agrees with me, I will now accept his statement as a fact and subsequently call Clarence Thomas a liar liar pants on fire.
Brisbane plays the what if game as well with another critique:
Another example: on the campaign trail, Mitt Romney often says President Obama has made speeches “apologizing for America,” a phrase to which Paul Krugman objected in a December 23 column arguing that politics has advanced to the “post-truth” stage.
As an Op-Ed columnist, Mr. Krugman clearly has the freedom to call out what he thinks is a lie. My question for readers is: should news reporters do the same?
If so, then perhaps the next time Mr. Romney says the president has a habit of apologizing for his country, the reporter should insert a paragraph saying, more or less:
“The president has never used the word ‘apologize’ in a speech about U.S. policy or history. Any assertion that he has apologized for U.S. actions rests on a misleading interpretation of the president’s words.”
This is also an interesting example. While it perhaps would’ve been fine for a journalist to note that the word “apology” has never been uttered by President Obama in a speech about America’s position in the world (instead he just toured the world listing everything he viewed as utter American failures without ever actually saying he was sorry on our behalf), Brisbane goes on to show what the Times version of “truth vigilante” would look like. The “fact check” in this instance would’ve resulted in the writer asserting that anything hinting at an apologetic Obama, leans towards manipulation of the truth. Brisbane asks the readers if this is what The New York Times should move to, and the left on Twitter resoundingly screamed in unison “yes!”
What the Times will do remains to be seen. Brisbane acknowledges that being so openly interpretative would present its own problems:
Is it possible to be objective and fair when the reporter is choosing to correct one fact over another?







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Let's be real here…
The Times is just another DNC newsletter…..
Several years ago when they were burying all of Obama's past, Soros and other "like minded individuals" decided to start buying up interests in the MSM.
What we see now is the result of their ideology being reported, not facts, not truth. If you want the truth you will need to go to Breitbart or Drudge………..and have Janet Napalitano store your 1st Amendment opinions.
Pravda
Omission is the greatest kind of editorial. NYT is famous for tailoring the news to the DNC.
Worse than that…
It seems that everything's for sale now….
Pravda and Al jazeera have more injtegrity than the NYT at this point.
As implausible as it appears …. I inadvertently neglect to read the NYT.
"What the NY Times will do remains to be seen." – Ben Howe
….It will do the same as Newsweek, Time, Air America radio and Al Gore's Current TV – be ignored and unprofitable…
The "fact" is, no one is objective. It's a journalist's job to report the facts as he finds them. The fact above are that Thomas's mouthpiece, and Perry said those things. It's up to the journalist, to challenge what they said to find out if what they said is actually true. It's not enough to report the "fact" that they said it. It's the journalist's job to determine whether what was said is true. That is done not through conjecture or hypothesis, but through research. It's the reader's duty to interpret.
"Should we continue our current, failing journalistic model of pretending to be objective and truthful, or should we seek to emulate the wildly successful MSNBC model of going full retard? We value and welcome your input, in particular your suggestions for conveying mouth-frothing, spittle-flinging, hyperventilating agitprop in the dead-tree medium."
I think the bloggers are right, the NYT should be more liberal, then they can change their name to Pravda.
The New York Times: Biased Toward Obama Only 99.9% of the Time!
What a joke of a newspaper and a disgrace to real journalism.
The only fact about the Justice Thomas issue is that he stated that he misunderstood the filing instructions. What other facts are there to dispute that? A journalists job is to report news not make it up.
So they are saying in effect "Media bias is evil, unless we print it, in which case it is Ordained by God (or the Athiestic version of same)"
Wow – amazing the lengths they will go to trying to justify what they were going to do anyway. They can't even be honest with themselves….
Yes, but which "facts" do you "research" and which do you accept at face value? The fact is, neither of the two cases presented are "facts" to be countered in the black and white, 2+2=4 sense of the word. When a reporter's stated goal is to prove this person wrong, or that person wrong, he becomes an OpEd writer, pure and simple.
If you read the article that was originally published, the author actually did reach out to several people to get their opinions on the likelihood that he didn't know this. When dealing with a fact of which only Thomas could possibly be privy to (i.e. his inner thoughts and understandings) then that is your only option.
Evidence to the contrary would have to exist in the form of a prior admission on his part that he did understand.
We need to sic Bain on the NYT
Sorry… couldn't resist it.
Don’t be sorry for the truth! Bain could do a great job eradicating the liberal infestation and getting real reporters that will report the truth and not just their opinion and agenda.
Wouldn't that be wonderful? The bottom line is that it doesn't matter how much or how little business experience one has anymore than how much or little political experience. In both cases, how does honesty play into the mix? Are you a corrupt businessman or politician? I want to know what you intend to do much less than what you were in a past life.
Actually, to be considered an effective propaganda branch of communism I don't think you can be "too" biased.
Wrong. It is not necessarily every journalist's job to determine whether everything someone says is factual. If I'm covering a news conference (and I do work in radio news) I cover the news conference by simply reporting what was said. If an investigative journalist then wants to go out and do "fact-checking," then great. But if a regular reporter did that, he or she would spend all their time doing research and not reporting.
New York Slimes. All the bigotry against non-leftists that is unfit to print.
A journalist's challenging of the facts is known as "cherry picking" the news. Nearly every article covering politics or domestic affairs "cherry picks" by presenting the reader with selected information. And journalists of the print media are overwhelmingly liberal and therefore stories are overwhelmingly leftist.
That is why the MSM fears cable and the internet. We can actually sort out the truth by comparing sources and picking our own facts.
Dang. Talk about relativism run amok…. These people have no compass, moral or otherwise.
I'm not quite sure most of you understood that editorial.
Let's put it in a way that more conservative minded people might understand.
If the times were doing a story where Nancy Pelosi said "we all know that Republicans on average have a lower IQ than the average person" that would be an assertion by Pelosi framed as a "fact".
The op-ed is asking would you like to see IN THE ARTICLE a fact-check that said:
Even though Pelosi asserts this our research (citations here here and here) indicate that this is in fact a false statement and Republicans do not have a lower IQ than the general public.
Or would you rather wait for someone to independently fact-check that nugget so that all the people who read the article might never know that it was in fact a false statement.
I think this is an acknowledgement that the media generally has to include what people say if they are covering an event or story and what the person says may be a fact that is easy to check and debunk right in the article.
I think the example of the Obama apology is a bad one – even though he never used the word apology, there are other ways to project apologetic tone or behaviour and it is subject to opinion.
Facts are NOT subject to opinion – so I would be in favor of a fact-check in the article if kept strictly to things that are objective only – statistics, quotes of other people, etc.
You don't get to pick your own facts – you can form different conclusions or opinions based on THE facts – but you can't have your own….
The NYT has become a sham of a joke of a travesty of a parody of a farce of a newspaper. The mental disease known as "lunatic-left d-cRAT socialism" has destroyed the last few remaining brain cells of the lamestream propagandists at the "All The News That's Fit to Fake" NYT. However, like certain other body parts, the brain of a lunatic-left socialist is extraordinarily tiny, so there wasn't very much for this extremist disease to destroy. (NB: the lunatic-left affliction to "recklessly spend other people's money" is NOT controlled by the brain, but is one of their more disgusting bodily functions. That's why crazy pelosi, who has been brain dead for decades, managed to waste more than $5 TRILLION as the WORST HOUSE SPEAKER IN AMERICAN HISTORY.) The good news for these lamestream propagandists is that they are now mentally on a par with their leader "You Lie!" hussein, whose severely drug-damaged brain was barely able to keep up with their only partially impaired one previously.
If Karma works, the editors, owners and journalists/socialist-propagandists of the NYT will all be reincarnated as dung beetles — and they'll feel right at home!
The NYT probably mistook this as a compliment.
It's not even fit to wrap fish anymore.
Political bigots in extremis – even parrots avoid it.
Remember – the Times lied and soldiers died!
Liberals are always fighting for MORE propaganda. Theirs. Stephen Colbert says "the truth has a liberal bias" which liberals quote as gospel. You know, because they just don't get that their entire worldview is written by unfunny hack comics.
They also never mention journalism teachers and majors are over 70% Democrats and most news rooms are actually MUCH higher.
I don't need a newspaper to do that for me. I have enough confidence in my own mental abilities to decide for myself whether what is reported in the newspaper is the truth or not.
I don't need some heavily biased, unaccountable reporter spoon-feeding me his or her personal opinion of what a "fact" is.
I wonder why those lefties on Twitter are still buying the Times. The paper is raising its daily news stand price to $2.50 (it now costs less to ride the Subway than to buy the NYT). Since the lefties on Twitter are part of the so-called 99 percent, you'd think they couldn't afford it anymore.
"DNC House Organ Shafts Whole Truth"
Its in everyone's interest that journalists be candid about their bias. Why criticize them for hiding their bias less effectively?
Each quarter I enjoy reading of staff reductions and asset sales following another dismal earnings report by the NYT.
I view its editorial pages mostly as the minutes for meetings of America's emerging Social Democrat Party.
It is a journalist's job to report the facts, period. Not "as he finds them". It is the public's job to decide what to think of it. It is not the journalist's job to determine what is "truth". The journalist can present facts on either or both sides (if both exists). Courts prove (or are supposed to prove) truth.
Lots of research proves to be bad research.
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