Tim Tebow and his mom, Pam, are going to be in a Super Bowl ad. For those who aren’t college football fans, Tebow is the quarterback for the University of Florida Gators. He was the first underclassman to win the Heisman Trophy and led the Gators to two BCS championships. He’s also headed to the NFL draft, where he’s likely to be the top quarterback pick.
All right, you say, so a college football star is going to be in a Super Bowl ad. Big deal. But wait! The ad was purchased by the dreaded Dr. James Dobson’s pro-life Focus On the Family! And Tim’s mom will discuss her decision not to abort Tim when he was in her womb.
You see, Tim Tebow’s parents were both Christian missionaries in the Philippines. As is not uncommon, Pam Tebow contracted amoebic dysentery while pregnant with Tim. She was terribly ill, and her doctors urged her to terminate the pregnancy. She refused, and little Tim was born — and just look at him today
What an inspiring story! Isn’t that the kind of maternal love that makes Mothers Day one of the biggest holidays of the year? Not to the mainstream media. Instead of simply reporting the story, the MSM is compelled to add its own snide commentary. Over at the Washington Post, Jonathan Capehart writes:
[It’s] wonderful is that Ms. Tebow was able to make an informed decision. Her doctors weren’t muzzled by far-right zealots who want women to carry their pregnancies to term no matter what. And she wasn’t forced by those doctors to end her pregnancy.
Whether CBS is right to run this advocacy ad after rejecting others in the past, I’ll leave to others for the moment. But could possibly be hypocritical about showing that a child whom the doctors thought was doomed can grow up to be a great quarterback and a fine human being? About about encouraging women to envision their unborn baby as a person instead of a punishment?
Over at the ABC News blog, April Dudash wrings her hands over the political ramifications of the Tebows’ appearance in a pro-life ad. Daniel Smith, a UF political science professor and the faculty advisor for “Gators for Choice,” is quoted warning that the home-schooled Tebow “[has] a good chance of alienating half your fan support.” If Prof. Smith thinks that appearing in a pro-life ad is going to significantly dampen fans’ enthusiasm for Tebow, he obviously doesn’t watch much football.
The AP reports on the opposition of “women’s groups” to the ad. In an essay of approximately 500 words, the writer has three quotes opposing the ad, and only one—from Tebow himself—defending the ad. The ad is accused of “[using] sports to divide rather than unite,” of representing an “anti-equality, anti-choice, homophobic organization,” and of defacing “the holiest day of the year” for sports fans. That’s odd — I’m a sports fan (go Irish!), and I thought Easter was the holiest day of the year. Silly me.
What’s really got these folks fired up? Why be so upset that a mom and her son are telling their inspiring story on national TV? It’s because the ad works.
When Tim Tebow appears on that ad on Super Sunday, he doesn’t just represent himself. He represents almost fifty million other people—the fifty million Tim Tebows whose mothers didn’t choose life. And he represents everyone born in the United States since 1973.
The Post’s Capehart entitled his piece, “Tim Tebow rushes into the abortion debate.” I have news for Mr. Capehart. Tim Tebow didn’t rush into the abortion debate: the abortion debate rushed into him; in fact, he was born into it. Every person born in the United States since Roe was decided in 1973 is part of this debate, because every one of us could have been aborted by our mothers.
That’s why the MSM hates this ad. It puts a face to fifty million missing children. And when Americans start to see a human face instead of a punishment, the abortion regime will be in serious trouble.
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The Left has blood on its hands and refuses to come clean.
A person, when conceived, has DNA that is individual to that person. It is unique. It is one of a kind. It is a miracle of God.
I think you're right. It's only a problem because it 'works.' Having been adopted post 1973, I've always been on the pro-life side of the issue. They dare talk about someone being anti-choice? What about my or Tim Tebow choice to life? If they don't want the baby, they can give it up for adoption (which works, I'm standing here), use birth control pills, or abstain. If they're so pro-choice, then they should advocate choices, because as far as I see it, they're only pro "ONE" choice. Having all of the information, including the other side of the story (Tim), is what helps us make the best choice. The way they use "pro-choice" is laughable, because they only want one choice: abortion. I applaud CBS for their decision.
May the day come soon when every pre-born baby is accepted into life.
ADOPTION IS THE LOVING OPTION.
You had me until "Go Irish".
What I find amazing is the amount of children that die on an hourly basis in this country and around the world from easily treatable diseases and conditions such as lack of potable water, dehydration, starvation, neglect, and the lack of proper health care, yet people are willing to spend millions of dollars on an ad that calls a medical procedure murder. Heres an idea, either get off your a** and do something for the children who were lucky enough in your opinion not to be aborted but are unlucky enough to be born in some of the most heinous conditions imaginable (conditions Tim Tebow and his mother no doubt know nothing about), or……keep your opinion to yourself.
It puts a face to fifty million missing children. And when Americans start to see a human face instead of a punishment, the abortion regime will be in serious trouble.
God bless Tim Tebow and his mother! I applaud them for their taking a stand and not letting the left silence them. Look out America! There is a whole new generation of Homeschooled Christian kids about to hit the world ,who will take it squarely on like Tim Tebow. Especially when they see the left come so hard after him.
Telling that the Left thinks that a person affirming their choice to keep their child is somehow a threat to their rights. Any affirmation of life is a threat to them. WHY?
Pro-death is more appropriate because that is truly what they advocating!
What is the left so upset about? Mrs. Tebow was given a choice. She made one. Are they arguing that women should NOT have a choice? Or that the choice must always be abortion?
what about the baby's choice you liberal terds?
If all those people opposed to the ad are so offended (and we know how easily they get offended), then maybe they just shouldn't watch the Super Bowl. It's their choice.
Besides, isn't that what liberals say when conservatives complain about left-leaning TV programs? "Don't watch, change the channel."?
GO COLTS!
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"For true patriots to remain silent, is dangerous." Samuel Adams
I can’t wait to see the ad! It is chilling and unbelievably sad to think of all the “Tim’s” the world has missed out on, besides all the worlds of pain that come with abortion… Not just that he’s an amazing football player, but his conviction and courage are a product of faithful courageous parents, the Tebow’s are living proof that God turns loving self sacrifice into miracles!
ps Tim if you’re reading this I’m free for a date anytime ha ha
Why don't you keep your opinion to yourself? You have no right to espouse your opinion and then tell everyone else to shut up. Oh wait. That's what your side likes isn't it? Informed debate is the root of the problem and why the ad must be squashed.
ha…. He is not going to be the top QB choice in the draft… Stick to policy issues.
One would be inclined to think the Tebow's know "something" about poverty since they were missionaries to the Philippines!
” and of defacing “the holiest day of the year” for sports fans "
These scumbags talk of "defacing" football fun by people speaking out against the dismemberment of babies ?
I'm sure they could find vidio that gives a whole new meaning to "defacing".
If the pro-abortion position is so strong then why worry about showing the other side of the issue? They seem really, really bothered by an effective pro-life message.
Focus on the Family would be crying if the situation was reversed. What about celebrating life with a 30 second shot of a loving gay couple with kids. I can imagine the complaints from the far right.
If any would read Roe vs Wade its states abortion shale safe and few .The right to choose people need to read it.because abortion are far too common.fifty million is not few by any standard.
I'm not upset about the feel good story, in fact I would be happy to see an uplifting commercial during the Super Bowl if it wasn't aligned with a group of people pushing a very specific agenda. An agenda that takes no work. The worst facet of the abortion debate is the total lack of committment it takes. It is so easy to stand on a sidewalk and call someone a murderer. Just as it is easy to call someone a religous zealot for standing on the other side of the debate. This is not a human or civil rights issue nor is it about freedom of speech. It is a human issue which has no business being played out during one of the most innane sporting events of the year. It deserves more than moral grandstanding on television.
" …an ad that calls a medical procedure murder."
You choose to blind yourself morally and intellectually by using Orwellian language.
Tearing a pre-born baby limb from limb is murderous, whether you call it a "medical procedure" or not.
You're not fooling anyone with your supposed concern for the world's children. You are just easing your own conscience.
Because Focus OnThe Famliy is a typical crypto-fascist right-wing political group masquerading as a religious organization.
It is homphobic,misogynistic and,according to a book authored by its zealot founder,Dr. James Dobson,believes in child abuse disguised as "corporal punishment."Just the message a country wracked by a recession caused by the last President,who attempted to brand the U.S. in his crack-pot,"Christian" evangelical,Social Darwinist(the rich at the expense of everyone else)ethos.
Oh,and Tim Tebow SUCKS!!!!I hear he's tanking in the combines!!!!See ya later,God-boy!!!!
Another progressive stumbles over fro Kos.
You obviously don't know anything about Tim Tebow or his family. They spend a lot of time each year doing missionary work trying to help the very children you describe. So I would suggest you are the one lacking knowledge and maybe you should keep your opinion to yourself.
In the spirit of the old John Lennon song…All the Tebow's are saying is give Life a chance.
Perhaps those who so adamantly oppose the ad are concerned that women will listen to the message it conveys-life is valuable and precious. Even if your child doesn't grow up to be a well know "celebrity" your child deserves the right to grow up.
It's "you're."
It's not the insult I mind. It's that the liberals have messed up education so much that poor rancik can only spell four-letter words correctly.
Back at ya. Only you get to add a**hole to the list or your most favorable attributes.
"conditions Tim Tebow and his Mother no doubt no nothing about"
Tebow's parents run a children's mission in the Philippines. In addition to the Philippines, he has made mission trips to Croatia and Thailand, worked with underprivileged youth and visited hospitals and prisons.
What I find so ridiculous is that the idiots on the left will point to capital punishment and try to equate the consequences of an adult's actions leading to an execution after a full and fair trial to the complete innocence of an unborn child who never had a choice and never committed a crime.
Shows their utter lack of reasoning skills and compassion.
Abortion is a sin. So is lying and hating you fellow man. No one here is doing a very good job.
Hey Barnone- It’s because Pam Tebow HAD A CHOICE and groups like FotF, and the Tebows want choice to be taken away. They want no choice. You can believe what you want. Please allow the rest of us the same.
The real commitment comes from people like the Tebow's, you'd agree?
Volunteers to help the poor of the Philippines, and devoted parents. You've done better?
I guess you haven't heard about all the wonderful athiest missions throughtout the world.
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"Tearing a pre-born baby limb from limb is murderous, whether you call it a "medical procedure" or not"
And you show your complete ineptitude in that statement. I would hope you understand that anyone with a brain does not support late term and partial birth abortions. No one person speaks for either side of the abortion debate. What I have done for the worlds children is my conscience, it doesn't need easing. You have to live with yourself. I dont know you and dont portend to know you, but you offered no good argument to quell the thing you rail against. Just hollow accusations and vitriol.
You're tanking in the comments. Spelling, punctuation, logic….all at the sub-par level.
I thank God for ultra-sound, no more can small miracles be called bio-waste.
As missionaries I would need to know what exactly they do to help those children before I would retract, not just preaching the word of God. That doesn't really help things.
Unless of course you that person has no soul…
There's always a choice (excepting rape and incest–which are NOT the main contributors to abortion) prior to conceiving the child. Why does no one on your side think of that? Why can't you take appropriate precautions before conception? Is it because you know you'll have a convenient escape clause in the way of abortion? What the heck happened to personal accountability? You call it a choice, I call it a living human being that is being dehumanized for the convenience of irresponsible people.
I don't understand their ability to deny that fact…the only way it can be is they are without a soul….
"…anyone with a brain does not support late-term or partial-birth abortions."
Well, you better tell that to NARAL, NOW, Planned Parenthood, and all major Anti-Life groups, because they most certainly REJECT ANY LIMITS on abortion.
That's who you are siding with.
How's your conscience now?
Missionaries have resources and choices. The people they preach to dont.
Pam Tebow made a choice to allow her pregnancy to come too full term and had a son, named him Tim. Many women have made a choice to have an abortion and had no chance to watch a son our daughter excel in life. I wonder who wakes up with nightmares due to their choice more Tim's Mom or the women who choice abortion.
Perhaps a more productive way to spend a couple million dollars would be to donate to a Pregnancy Care Center instead of a Super Bowl ad? It would sure go a long way.
Since we are talking about abortion in this country, please cite you references for the number of children that die hourly in this country….from easily treatable diseases and conditions such a lack of potable water (where in the US?), dehydration ( really? go to your nearest Emergancy room), starvation ( I doubt it, except in cases of a negligent parent?), neglect ( definately a problem, but societal and not easily solved) and the lack of proper health care (not for any poor parent even slightly aware of how to obtain state assitance). And BTW, you are aware of the large difference in liberal donations vs conservative donations to charity, right?
How is the reverse of being pro-life being a loving gay couple with a couple of kids? That's like the opposite of stamp collecting being a gherkin (sorry if I'm offending anyone in the filatelist or pickling community).
You don't wear cleats on a basketball court.
I'm not complaining that they used 3 quotes against the add – the quotes were so far out there they make their side look really bad! Whereas Tebow's one quote defused tension, brought reason to the controversy, and made the pro-life side look good, the other quotes were shrill, whining, insulting bombs thrown out there that make these "women's groups" sound completely out of touch. I half-way expected them to attack the article as being on Tim's side!
Tebow is great – though I would nitpick that he won't be the first qb taken in the draft (because of his playing style, it will be a difficult transition into the NFL) – and puts a great face on the abortion issue.
The other thing that stood out to me is how ironic this line from another related article is:
"It is offensive to hold one way out as being a superior way over everybody else's."
By making any "should" statement (like "CBS 'should" not run that Super Bowl ad") you are holding one way as being a superior way over everybody else's! Laughable.
"It is a human issue which has no business being played out during one of the most innane sporting events of the year"
Thanks for telling us when and how to think or present ideas. We'll bow lower next time.
Too bad you couldn't use a red pen on him.
The reason this ad is airing is due to one thing, MONEY. There's a lot less of it being spent this year by retailers on commercials. Although I actually agree more than I disagree with the prolife movement, I don't like all the controversy around this subject for the Superbowl. Oh well, I didn't care for some of the hamburger or beer commercials that have aired over the years, either. Just remember people money talks, b***s**** walks.
Would you like straight fries or curly? Paper of Plastic?
Now THOSE are choices.
Killing a baby? That's a choice? Remember, it's not just a woman's body, Emily. It's also the body within. If you find yourself sounding like the Planned Parenthood web site (and their "abortion related services") then you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your stance.
Follow the fascinating steps of life by looking at a child's development week by week here: http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/calendar/
mhmjack, they run an orphanage in the Philippeans for kids no one else there wants. They know better than you the difficulties faced in the third world. So you are saying that if life is tough it is not worth living. What are you doing!
See that is your problem right there, you think that because I dont agree with you that I agree with everyone else. I am a human being. Check my comments. Not once have I mentioned being a liberal or conservative or that having anything to do with my opinion, but in every reply that is the first and/or last statement made. This is a human issue. I am a corpsman (hence the NHM in my name) and I see all these things. "neglect ( definately a problem, but societal and not easily solved)" That is what I mean, its not easy so its better to just sloganize it and turn it into horror fiction.
This story has been played out so many times, Sanmon. Professional sports teams have numerous athletes that were born to single mothers. How many great minds have also been exterminated through abortion?
It never ceases to amaze me that those who claim to be tolerant and yell for tolerance are the most intolerant of any opposing view. Take a look at some of the vicious name-calling and vindictive comments. When it comes to pushing an agenda, don't all those who pay for commercials have an agenda? I don't drink at all but the beer commercials are selling their agenda. They are trying to convince me that I ought to enjoy life more with Bud (or whatever). Correct? Are not TV shows trying to sell us their agenda? The Tebows have chosen to tell their story on the biggest stage of the sport's world. It just happens to be on something that some disagree with. Personally, I will find other things to do that particular day since I don't really care who wins. I live in Colts Country but have no desire to sit in front of a tube and watch ad infinitum, ad nauseum the incessant rambling contained in buku hours of football.
My church actually has boots on the ground right now in Haiti and they're getting supplies to those in need today (a small group of Christians just doesn't have to wade through a lot of red tape to get things done). I'm not bragging because I venture there are literally hundreds of churches doing he exact same thing. We're fortunate to have a sister church in the Dominican so they're right there!
Why all the hate nhmjack? You have no idea what you're talking about, but hate? You speak about that very well.
I think you mean well so I challenge you to start talking to those you hate and finding out what they're really doing in the world. It starts by not trying to shut other people up. God gave you two ears and only one mouth for a reason. Listen twice as much as you speak.
gays are envious that they cant make a baby doing it thier way
I give my time and effort to the military of this country. Is that good enough for you? It doesn't really matter to me because what I have chosen to do makes no difference. What exactly are they putting on the line?
SQT, you might consider keeping in mind that we are dealing with people who value animal life over human life.
I said keep your opinion to yourself, not shut up. And I stand by that statement if they only thing you have to add to the conversation is calling doctors and people you know nothing about murderers and atheists. I am not speaking to you of course, you have made no such comments.
babies have no choice
We will never know that answer or understand what great inventions have been missed. I may disagree with our President but I sure am glad his mother made a choice and gave him a chance to excel in life.
Tebow and the Gators beat my Sooners last year but he is obviously an upstanding young man. He might go 2nd round but I'm thinking 3rd. He would probably be great in wildcat formations.
NHMjack (the way it should read), by referring to abortion as "medical procedure", you place yourself with those who slaughter unborn fetuses. It's not "horror fiction", it happens every day in this country! I have two adopted children, both of whom could easily have been aborted. They both face unique and overwhleming challenges, but, like Tim Tebow, they are thriving.
Amen, indeed.
Maybe you should tell that to the beer companies.
It was stated earlier that no one supports late-term abortions. I'd like to address that here:
“Because of the two days of prior treatment, the amniotic membranes were visible and bulging. I ruptured the membranes and released the fluid to reduce the risk of amniotic fluid embolism. Then I inserted my forceps into the uterus and applied them to the head of the fetus, which was still alive, since fetal injection is not done at that stage of pregnancy. I closed the forceps, crushing the skull of the fetus, and withdrew the forceps. The fetus, now dead, slid out more or less intact. (late-term abortionist, Dr. Warren Hern, Slate.com, 22 October 2003)
NOTE: Hern was named “Best Person of the Year” by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC, 6 August 2009.
One guy does it for money. Another guy cheers it for, who knows why Olbermann does anything. But it's not surprising Hern thinks so little of human life at any stage. Here he is again:
“The human species is an example of a malignant ecotumor, an uncontrolled proliferation of a single species that threatens the existence of other species in their habitats. The idea that the human population is a planetary cancer is a profoundly disturbing conclusion, but the observations of the scientific community over the last 20 years have provided massive support for this hypothesis and little, if anything, to refute it.” (Dr. Warren Hern, Population and Environment, 1990)
Cop-out!
It takes real commitment to stand outside an abortion mill in cold and rain offering financial, medical, spiritual, psychological support to often young, confused, abandoned, defenseless women.
The pro-life folks pray that the mother's will choose life for their child, and if necessary, adoption not abortion.
Besides saving a baby's life, the women who choose life are spared a lifetime of psychological and often physical pain. That's a good thing, no?
They do not call the mother's murderers, but rather the abortion industry that makes millions off the abhorrent infanticide.
P.S. Thanks for your military service, from an Air Force vet. CHOOSE LIFE ! Peace.
If those opposed to the ad have a problem, why don't they pony up the money and air their own ad espousing the virtues of abortion?
I think it's excellent that his mother had access to good doctors and the faith to continue with the pregnancy. Its's great that his mother had the ability and privacy to choose to welcome a new life into this world. I even think it's stupid to complain that this advert is on during the Super Bowl – pay as much money as you like to advertise what you want.
I just hope women are always given this private choice rather than being forced to carry a child to term.
What the hell do you know about pro-choice people? What the hell do you know about the agony of pregnancy… do you think women who are raped and impregnated should carry the rapist's child to full-term for them? Do you think a mother with other children should risk losing her life if she knows carrying a fetus to full-term will kill her and leave her other children motherless? What the hell do you know? I am sick to death of self-righteous moralizers like you slamming others who are in pain and dealing with horrific REAL LIFE situations. You are a smug self-involved idiot who cares only for your own VERY narrow definition of good. People like you suck and need to be told that on a regular basis.
Don't we also have a President who believes that a baby born during a botched abortion should be denied medical care? Wasn't that one of the few issues he managed to do more than vote "present" while he was serving in the Illinois State Senate?
Especially when the mother is forced to carry her pregnancy full-term even though it will kill her and possibly her baby.
I'd use it to cherry his nose for the clown act he's presenting here. ; )
Your user name fits. You should get over yourself. Take a look in the mirror and tell yourself, get over yourself.
nhmjack uses nonsensical circular reasoning to prove…nothing. Life is valuable. Just because there is poverty in the world doesn't mean we should abort a pregnancy. Using your convoluted illogical argument, all children should be aborted until diseases and conditions such as lack of potable water, dehydration, starvation, neglect, and the lack of proper health care are totally resolved. I guess this means the end of civilization as we know it.
If you want to argue learn to do it without associating two unrelated ideas. And don't talk about Tebow and his family unless you actually have some indepth background.
Your comments just make you sound like an uninformed whiner, elevating an idiotic opinion to the level of fact.
She exercised her CHOICE! She chose life! Which every American has the RIGHT to! Are they OFFENDED by the fact that he is alive??
If every woman CHOSE abortion, we would die out.
A woman who chooses life, has just as much of a right to express her support of it as those who choose termination. Period.
"April Dudash wrings her hands over the political ramifications"
Political ramifications? Lets all write letter to this brain damaged person and tell her she's lucky that her own mother wasn't a nutcase like her and decided to give birth to her instead of having April scraped out of the womb. Makes me want for all those nutcases to be aborted out of this country.
Ha! That's it? That's your reply? Wow. No wonder the right will lose this argument EVERY TIME.
You are making up false arguments, but avoiding the real deaths – 50 MILLION since 1973.
Any tears for them ?
LOL – just what I thought after reading his shriek! When this is the most coherent counter argument your opponents can construct you know you've won the debate, and they have nothing to offer to intelligent people.
Uh, that doesn't happen in any state in the union – try sticking with the truth if you want any credibility.
How is it nonsensical to believe efforts could be put to better use getting behind issues affecting toddlers and young children who are being subjected to the very issues I pointed out right now. That is not two unrelated ideas. If these groups care about the lives of children, could that money have been used to positively affect the lives of those children on street corners that they must see everyday?
you're right, but he's too stupid to notice that gaping hole in his argument
don't forget the teleprompter in chief voted against banning it in IL (one of the only times he voted something other than "present" – that should have been a tip-off as to what his real beliefs were)
if you weren't as ignorant jackass you would have researched that very question BEFORE shooting off your mouth with your uninformed (by your own admission, stupid) opinion
I have no idea what "NHM" stands for, but you're an embarrassment to whomever it represents (BTW, I have "MD" after my name, and I know just a teensy bit more than you about providing lifesaving care to children from horrible situations & backgrounds (as do many of my colleagues, several of whom are volunteering in Haiti right now while the rest of us hold down the fort here. Like most ignorant people you have no idea just how large the number of things you DON'T KNOW really is. Now get out of your mom's basement and go eat supper – you're annoying the rest of us who actually DO the things to TALK ABOUT.
Oh, and BLACK COWBOY, you'd rather choose the KKK-associating founder of Planned Parenthood? Photo proof is a mother F-er isn't it? Seems to me that abortion was forced into our country's mainstream to kill off the poor black children (and tens of millions have been slaughtered since 1973). Yet here you are defending the same practice that has kept the minorities as 'minorities'. Keep Fuckin' that chicken, buddy.
Your name-calling would be more attention-getting if you could find some new names to call us.
"Crypto-fascist" and "homophobic" are getting worn out.
"I said keep your opinion to yourself, not shut up." Explain the difference, jackass.
You are a very angry person. You shouldn't internalise all that anger and then spout it on a message board. Missonaries by definition convert citizens of third world countries to christianity (in their case I'm sure). That helps no one. You should give your place in line to someone who isn't a complete fucking moron.
You are so full of sh**. The agony of pregnancy? Are you kidding? I have two kids and it was hardly agony. That's a non-sequitur you like to throw at men who are pro-life isn't it? Nothing like a guilt trip to avoid a real argument huh?
Millions of abortions have been performed since it was legalized and the vast majority of those babies were not conceived due to rape or incest. That is nothing but an argument designed to deflect from the real issue. Most women choose to abort out of convenience. They use terms like "choice" and "women's privacy" to deny the fact that they couldn't be bothered to take precautions prior to getting pregnant. Most women who have abortions are reckless and irresponsible because they know they have an escape clause that will let them walk away from any responsibility. I know women who have had 4 or more abortions due to the fact they couldn't be bothered with birth control. The life of the mother is also very rarely an issue. I had to have an emergency delivery of my daughter and there would have been no reason to kill the baby to preserve my health. How many times do you suppose it's actually necessary to kill the child to save the mother when a child can be safely delivered via cesarean in a matter of minutes?
Your idea of a real life solution is gross and selfish. I also think that the vehemence of your response is due to a conscience lurking in there somewhere. You wouldn't be so defensive if you didn't know that abortion was wrong. And the right is not losing this argument– just last year a gallup poll showed the majority of Americans now consider themselves pro-life. Seems to me the rest of the country is starting to grow up. How about you?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-...
And since this is the only part of my comment that most of you have focused on (telling), I will retract that statement and replace it with this. People with means, how about that? It must of been nice for the Tebows to have access to leginimate health care.
Your a real genius, you should think about running for office, I hear their are some openings in Haiti
So many big words, I bet you dont know what any of them mean though do you?
Have a nice life on the dole!
Here are some choices for you
Have sex
Have unprotected sex
Get an abortion
Say no to the first two and the third is not an issue, but like a typical leftist child you demand to be allowed to do whatever you want and have someone else pay for your "Choices"
Too bad it has to be an unborn kid, but then the left loves murderers, mao, che, stalin so should any of us be suprised when they kill for the sake of convienience?
It stands for Navy Hospital Medic or Hospital Corspman. I have 8 years of experience in combat medicine and humanitarian aid. I have served in Iraq and have trained more people ready to put their lives on the line to care for the hurt and ailing than you could ever imagine. So you can take your MD and stick it up your ass.
MSM W.H.O.R.E.S.
Will you be on your back or on you knees during the super bowl?
Don't forget to fill up the "Planned Parent Hood Abortion" punch card, I hear the 20th ones free.
Oh Obama is all for stuffing abortions gone wrong into closets to starve
As long as he doesnt have to hear the screams, which annoy the hell out of him when he's gulping down a tax payer funded $100 kobe beef burger, it's all good with him.
Too bad his mother "punished" the united states with his sorry ass
THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CONTROL ME. IT DOES NOT OWN MY BODY. IT WILL NOT TELL ME HOW TO LIVE. SO GO STRAIGHT TO HELL YOU TALIBAN FASCIST.
But you'd love government control of health care wouldn't you? What about government sponsored abortions? Should I be FORCED to pay for something I think is murder?
And let's be clear. It's not your body we're talking about. That child might be tethered to you during its gestation, but it is a unique and separate life. It's soul is not tethered to yours. Science has reached a point in which a child that is born at under a pound of weight can grow up to be perfectly healthy. What happens when science can save a child born within the current allowable window for abortion? Can you deny it's a life then?
And if you believed in hell I suspect you'd be less strident and more open to actually having a reasonable argument. I feel sorry for you.
So enlighten us…exactly how many children die on an hourly basis in this country from lack of potable water?
I think the real angry people use the "F" bomb. Take your potty mouth elsewhere. This forum is for civilized people.
What are you talking about?? What do you think missionaries do? We give them resources to make whatever choice they want to make! I know, I've been on missions trips to Mexico and the Ukraine. Tim Tebow's father has an orphanage in the Philippines, so they obviously know how third world children live! I know, my mom was one who lived in the Philippines and is a Christian who does not believe in abortion! God has a purpose for every life, be it in poor conditions or in good ones! Mother Teresa came out of poor conditions and look what she did! She helped those in need.
Amen! There was woman who came to our hospital some 5 times for an abortion. After her third one, she was asked if she was using birth control. Her answer? "I don't want anything foreign in my body!"
You are an IDIOT and a liar… if you read the bill (I assume you can read and not just type like a trained chimp) you would know that the Health care Bill DOES NOT MANDATE TAX PAYER FUNDED ABORTIONS! But liars on the right like you twist words and make crap up all the time.
And as for people like my sister Lynn who suffered so terribly on her decision to abort her child instead of gambling with both their lives, how DARE YOU tell me and my family how we should decide in our personal lives. How dare people like you cram your beliefs down our throats. You are no better than us. You cannot tell American citizens like us to live by your church's narrow rules.
Go hug your kids and think of all those mothers who aborted the child they loved because it was their ONLY choice. I feel sorry for you and your children.
Just so you know, most of are active in supporting children in other countries and right here in our own. We have a house that cares for mothers who have no support but choose to have their babies. There are lots of things going on that you have no idea about because you only know one side of the argument. I don't suppose there's any convincing you until you somehow it becomes personal. Or you have a serious conversaton with God about what HE thinks.
Pro-life folks give billions of aid to help others and many of them volunteer and several of them adopt. We are more aware than most groups about what's going on in the world that affects beautiful children.
And this was not a personal attack. I think I may be more perturbed by people who rush to judgements or sling the term "murderer" or "atheist" around. You may or may not believe me, but I appreciate everything that someone like you or your church has done for underpriveliged in this world, just as I would hope you would respect what I have done for my country and the countrys I have been sent to. But there are many people here, it seems, that are more interested in who is right and not what can be done to quell the problem, because believe it or not, I do believe that the latest abortion figures indicates a problem. Of course there are people who, when given a choice, will abuse that choice. But I dont believe that those people who agonized over that choice and live with it everyday should be held to account by being called baby killers.
Perhaps one of the great legal minds out there can explain this to me:
If a person murders a preganant woman, it's considered a double murder because the baby was killed.
But If the same woman previously had an abortion, it's not considered murder.
I don't get it!
It was not their ONLY choice. Tim's mother made the other choice. Having worked in the medical field for 40 years, I saw many other stories like theirs out there.
If the true medical emergencies were the only abortions happening now, we wouldn't be having this conversation (if you want to call what you do conversation). I don't know one person who would condemn a mother to death if the pregnancy was truly life-threatening. Problem is, the vast majority are just for convenience. And that's a poor excuse for offing another human being.
I would be interested to know what kind of positive advertisement you could come up with that's pro-abortion. By what I understand the Tebow's basically say "Hey, I chose not to have an abortion and my son is a respected athlete and is finishing college." How threatening. So how do you do a pro-abortion ad that has the same positive message?
Last tiem I checked it was a free country and one could CHOOSE to buy airtime and speek about an incredibly inportant CHOICE they made. Libs came up with the cute little euphemism of CHOICE, but is quite obvious they want only one choice – the DEATH one, if you make the other, and have a beautiful sweet baby that grows into a great man, and want to talk about it, shut the F up. The tolerant ones wnat you SILENCED.
What a sorry bunch you pro abort folks are. I am always amazed that this is the hill you CHOOSE to die on. The hill of dead babies.
I wanted to jump on your comment, it did irritate me. But you do speak about some very dire issues. Your assumption that we are not doing something to address these issues is quite wrong! For just a single example, Pat Robertson of the 700 Club is working very hard to address those very issues you speak about and quite a few more, it's something called operation blessing and has done plenty to help, but, they get very little press so you probably would not know this. But, just because these terrible conditions exist it does not mean we should accept the horrific procedure call abortion. After all it does stop a heart beat. Finally, who are you to tell anyone to "keep your opinion to yourself" ?
Actually, most of the arguments here seem to be well thought out and presented, "ignorance" doesn't seem to be the issue. How about actually making an intelligent argument instead of telling people to shut up like a five year old?
If abortion is nothing more than "a medical procedure" as you stated, than why do people "agonize(d) over that choice and live with it everyday" as you later stated. Conscience or remorse do not usually play a role in elective medical care. Explain.
really?? because i just read an article on breitbart about a judge ordering a woman to stay in the hospital until she delivered… AGAINST HER OWN CHOOSING!! you can't have it both ways…
What an angry, unhappy person you must be. Thank God I'm not a liberal.
If you didn't want people to have an "opinion" about what you are saying, then you shouldn't have made your own opinion known to us! Plus, calling people names because they don't agree with you is acting immature! This is a very heated topic, so you need to realize that people are going to be passionate about it! Debating can be done with decorum by not using profanity!
Not to mention that he said he doesn't want his girls punished with pregnanct.
I can't help but laugh at you. You make no sense whatsoever.
Ooops….you called it a "child". If it's a child, then abortion is "murder".
laughs
It's the theory of Schrodinger's Fetus. It's either a living baby or a lifeless lump of goo, or perhaps both, depending on how much money the lawyers can get out of it.
"What I find amazing is the amount of children that die on an hourly basis in this country and around the world from easily treatable diseases and conditions such as lack of potable water, dehydration, starvation, neglect, and the lack of proper health care,"
Do tell me, nhmjack, how many children do die hourly for "lack of potable water, dehydration, starvation, neglect, and the lack of proper health care," in this country? How about the last day, week, month, year, decade. If you know of one personally, why didn't you get the child something to drink and call Child Protection Services?
Christianity helps no one? You might want to check out the amount of charitable work Christians do in the world.
But why do you assume that the people protesting abortion are neglecting the poor, abandoned, and neglected children? Why do you assume people can't do both? Why must it be either/or?
It's spelled "rancid", idiot.
You are a very IGNORANT person. You shouldn't be satisfied with all that ignorance and then spout it on a message board. Liberals bring death and misery to all cultures they infect. That helps no one. You should give your place on Earth to someone who isn't a murdering Prog-Nazi monster.
It was more than "nice" since they probably WORKED for it!!!!!!!
Gee, another liberal who is condescending to minorities. What a surprise.
He's got a sterotypical view of missionaries. Don't bother him with facts regarding how missionaries help build wells, bring in drugs to combat malaria, polio, teach kids to read and write, build and operate orphanages and refugee camps for those affected by wars, etc. He's just another ignorant liberal hater.
But you're ignorant of missionaries' work in the world. Uh huh… whatever.
I have a hard time believing you. YOu claim to care for the hurt but you disparage missionaries. I think you're a big liar. Maybe someone in your family was in service, but you just seem full of hate. I think you're a poser. You stink of BS.
Right??? The same people I know who are anti-abortion are working at/donating to women's shelters, food pantries, giving to Episcopal Relief and Development, Love 186, so many other charities and causes, all to help people less fortunate or in danger.
You have to imagine them 'cause there wouldn't BE any. The only people who would rather kill a child than let it be raised by homos are the Muslims.
AMEN!
Are you taking writing lessons from Syntax_game? I hope you're not paying for them.
"It is a human issue which has no business being played out during one of the most innane sporting events of the year."
When do you decree we "play it out" exactly? It's only an "inane(sic) sporting event" so why not give it at least a little gravity, huh? Maybe you'd rather wait until Easter?
Planned Parenthood is the #1 killer of blacks today.
It's not your money is it?
Yeah, the BS he is spouting really does stink….I think we've got a troll here.
Absolutely! Seeing my son's heartbeat on the ultrasound when he was only 5 weeks old was incredible…an absolute miracle.
I wish every woman contemplating an abortion as retroactive birth control would have to see their child's heart beating first and perhaps truly understand what it is they are actually doing. Perhaps more of them would realize that their baby is a living, breathing human being…unique and special…a miracle of life.
It's scary to the left and to feminists….they don't want women to understand that babies in the womb are living, breathing human beings with value, with a soul, and with a destiny.
The vast majority of pro-lifers believe that women who have been raped or women whose life and health are in danger should have the option of choosing to abort their baby. Most of us know a woman who has been the victim or rape or incest and we have a great deal of sympathy for the trauma that they have been through and understand that carrying the baby to term could possibly be an extension of the rape trauma.
What turns us off is that most abortions in our country are NOT the result of rape, incest, or medical necessity….but are actually retroactive birth control performed on women who chose not to be responsible and either abstain from sex or use contraception. And to further compound our disgust with the abortion industry and organizations like NOW is their insistence on preventing parents from being informed when their 13 year old daughter obtains an abortion. The emotional consequences of an abortion can be devastating and I think that the fact that abortion industry doesn't care about the health and well-being of women or girls.
Even a former abortion industry lobbyist acknowledged that he lied about partial term abortions when he testified that most were performed for medical reasons. He later admitted that most partial birth abortions were performed on healthy women and killed healthy babies…and admitted that he had lied on behalf of the abortion industry lobby.
Your kids are probably the ones who run pell-mell through restaurants, shrieking and bouncing off of the walls, because you give them "time-outs" and other PC coddling instead of corporal punishment. The rest of us sit quietly, trying to enjoy are meals, while viewing you and yours with contempt.
Thanks for ruining my peace and quiet many a time, Cow-boy.
To Black Cowboy..
Dude…you sound deranged… get back on the meds…..
Lorben…I like what you said but…
….I think the real mystery here is why is CBS doing this? Maybe a seismic shift in the MSM?…Very out of character and taking alot of heat from the deranged…
Once again the lefties come out here to prove again that tolerance is needed but only for what they believe in.
I would love to believe that is true HiPlainsDrifter….but I am a cynic. I can only be won over with a continued showing of repentance. My brain goes to their desperation of where they are in the ratings. I want to be wrong though! Oh how I want to be wrong!
Lorben
It's a start… Maybe someone over there, (at CBS ), may be seeing a way out of the downward spiral in the ratings game….If the dump Katie, and replace her with Laura Ingraham or Michelle Malkin, we'll know the change is happening…Can you imagine…??
I would dig it. It would be nice to have more balance in the media. It will come eventually, when is the question. I think it will really begin after November's elections when the left really figures out that we are serious and voting their butts out! Maybe they are starting to see the light…..I will be watching with the rest of the conservatives.
Me too! I know many woman end up grieving their decision for the rest of their lives. I am sure that many don't ever regret, but that doesn't make it any better.
The ultrasounds they have today are so amazing, not anything like they had when I had mine in the eighties. Even then it was a miracle to see!
That's a kind way of saying he's an anti-Christian bigot.
I think you mean well so I challenge you to start talking to those you hate and finding out what they're really doing in the world.
He doesn't mean well. So he won't.
I said keep your opinion to yourself, not shut up.
Odd, since the only way one can keep their opinon to themselves is to not say or write anything.
In other words, they have to shut up.
Here's the photo along with more proof of Planned Parenthood's racist origins:
http://bigjournalism.com/sswift/2010/01/22/thirty...
Because they really aren't pro-choice.
What the hell do you know about pro-choice people?
More than you know about pro-life people, apparently.
Translation: the troll is unable to answer SQT's remarks and can only scream fascist because it doesn't really know what the word means.
You care enough, it would seem.
this country is in a recession because of bill clinton lifting a decades old law that has now come home to roost .look it up cowboy.and this country had to go to war because bill clinton refused to inforce our right to inspect iraq whenever we wanted to ,look it up under the terms of iraq surrendering in the first gulf war .if we would have inspected when we could maybe we wouldnt have to have gone this far . do you really think bush junior started this war all by himself ? or a world wide recession is all little ol georges fault ?? last time i checked the us military is all volunteers and they follow orders and this time it meant take it to them or would you rather have a war zone right here ?? or do you think it was none of our business what nazis were doing to jews ??and we should have stayed home then also ??you can blame bill clinton for the recession and this war .now go fire up another one and put on a greatfull dead lp
Yeah, as missionaries, the tebows haven't the slightest clue about poverty. What I find amazing is the amount of idiots who post on websites that have literally no clue how stupid they're comments are. My opinion. Not kept to myself.
So the far left pro-abortion nuts are threatening the leftist CBS. Kind of like when the leftist Hollywood writers went on strike to harm the leftist Hollywood producers and the leftist media conglomerates. The left eats their own.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I normally couldn't give a toss about the Stupor Bowl, but since the Tebows are willing to inflict their mythical, mystical, ancient desert nomad religion on the rest of us, I really hope he gets his head handed to him. So GO the other guys! Whoever they are!
Why do you right wing freaks think anybody but you cares about your ignorant ideals. Shut the F up and play football.
Wow, such anger. You must have some personal issues with this topic. Now before you get angry again, just wait a minute. OK? I grew up when the Roe v Wade thing was going on, and yes I believed in women's rights. I also remember my mother telling me a story from the '40's when she was young. She came home to find her roommate bleeding to death in the bathtub after using a coat hanger to perfrom her own abortion. As I recall, she died. Obviously, in my era, we wanted women to have a safer option. But…… back in those days, we didn't have the advanced technology we have today. With ultra sounds & CAT scans, advanced neo-natal care, everyone now knows they aren't just cells, they are living beings. Let's bring the discussion to modern times. Perhaps the focus should be on prevention and adoption. It's very sad that Planned Parenthood makes most of it's money doing abortions rather than counseling, birth control & finding adoptive homes. I'm not a religious zelot, just older and wiser.
God. That's a horrible story. I may be pro-life but I don't want anything like that to happen to anyone. I would hope that we've reached a point in our society, and I think we have, that women are not stigmatized by pregnancy. Even if abortions were limited I'd hope that women would not be forced into such a desperate option. It seems to me that we could do better than we have. I feel like there has been a quiet genocide in this country since abortion was legalized– but at the same time I don't want women to go back to this. I wish the other side could realize that we're not without compassion. We just don't want to see innocent lives thrown away.
Listen to yourself. Why is it wrong to discourage women from choosing abortion, but perfectly fine to ridicule women for choosing to NOT have an abortion? Because it really isn't about "choice", is it? It's about eliminating the stigma and the guilt associated with abortions, so that women won't think twice about having them.
I think we are on the same page on this topic. I'm sorry for the story, but I believe our history is what led us to Roe v Wade. Unfortunately, we now have "unforeseen consequences", that were previously paved with good intentions, (women's health) so everyone thought at the time. We need to bring the discussion into TODAY, not the 60's or the 70's. I was horrified to hear that the biggest campaign contributor to our now appointed HHS (Sebelius…. oops probably didn't get the spelling right) was a doctor who performed late term abortions in her state. Not quite sure when they made late term or partial birth abortions legal? History of Sanger is frightening. Leads me to believe they may not have been unintentioned consequences. But I learn more everyday.
How was your sister gambling with "both" their lives? Really. I'd like to know.
The only trained chimp I see here is you. If they weren't trying to force abortion through the health care bill, then why was Stupak amendment written? Why would it be such a contentious debate within the senate if were so cut and dry? I see a lot of rhetoric being spouted and very little attempt as reason. You can take your indignation as shove it. I don't base my opinion on church doctrine, I base it on the fact that abortion is murder. It's very, very rare that a woman faces a life and death decision when she choses abortion. I'm not telling anyone they can't have access to birth control, I'm simply saying that a woman needs to think of the consequences should she have sex. I'm not even saying a woman should be forced to have a child conceived during a rape. But having an abortion as a "life choice" is sick. And no woman aborts a child she loves. That's some twisted logic. Don't feel sorry for my kids– they were planned for and allowed a chance at life.
"I would hope you understand that anyone with a brain does not support late term and partial birth abortions"
OBAMA SUPPORTS LATE TERM AND PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS.
Mmm,Mmm,Mmm, Yes He Does!
The Tebows no this, thats why they work in these foreign countries, to try and make things better for the people.
Testify, Brother Bastiat! Can I get an "Amen"?
The worst facet of the abortion debate is the easy convenient murder of young life.
Isn't life a choice? Why don't you buck up and call yourselves pro-abortion, if that is what you are.
I very highly doubt that the 4,000 babies butchered every day in the womb are a risk to the mother's health. More often than not, a women will miscarry when there is something wrong with either the baby or the mother. Using abortion as a means of birth control is just WRONG. If a woman can't keep her legs closed then .. SHE SHOULD GO GET HER TUBES TIED ! Viablility for a baby is now around 25 weeks, if there is something seriously wrong with the mother's health, then the ob/gyn doc can deliver the baby, and the baby has a wonderful chance to survive.
"The agony of pregnancy" Have you every had children? I have had the blessing of having three, and pregancy was not agony. As soon as I found out I was expecting I was instantly in love with my baby, as it should be. I don't see how you can morally justify 50,000,000 THAT'S FIFTY MILLION babies murdered since 1973. What the hell do you know of the pain that those babies felt when they were killed !
I 2nd that FF, get over yourself doesn't make sense. He/she must hate babies? I don't get these people. Out of all the crap that the progressives have crammed down our throats, abortion on demand is the worst IMO. If we don't protect the RIGHT TO LIFE for the unborn, then none of us has any rights. They progs claim to be so enlightened and non religous, however I would state that they are religous and abortion is their sacrament. They sacrifice babies to their god of gov't.
The left supports PR0-CHOICE when it is the choice for abortion. How sick?
[...] his upcoming Super Sunday ad extolling the virtues of the pro-life position. Since his mother was advised to abort him, maybe he ought to [...]
Actually, it's the pro-abortion side that's losing in the arena of American public opinion. Daily Mail lists the following numbers:
Marist Poll surveyed more than 2,000 Americans and found most people think abortion is abhorrent.
19% say morally acceptable.
56% say morally unacceptable.
25% say it is not a moral issue.
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/805...
What's even more encouraging is the so many Americans under 30 years of age are pro-life. These are the people who will be running the Government, education, etc. pretty soon. This doesn't bode well for the abortion industry.
Amen. The cruel truth is one reason I'm now pro-life.
As a Black man, I got a personal stake in ending abortion.
Actually, the Daily Mail reports that Americans, especially the under 30 crowd, are more pro-life than they've ever been since Roe v. Wade:
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/805...
So, clearly a whole lot of people find the pro-life message appealing. This cultural shift along with the Tebow ad naturally has the hardcore pro-abort feminists scared to death.
You have made your opinion known. You are right and everyone who doesn't agree completely with you is wrong. Thanks for playing DontTreadOnMe.
If you think Tebows mother did not at least consider both sides you are fooling yourself. It is a legal medical procedure whether you like it or not.
I had complications when my son was born because he was nine pounds and I am shorter and small framed. I hemmoraged twice in two hours after his delivery and lost half my blood. I need two blood transfusions. I was so scared to get pregnant again, but I didn't want to let that fear stop me from never knowing if I could have more children. My third was born only two and a half years after my son. Her delivery was quick and easy and so was my recovery. My husband and I prayed so hard during my pregnancy and God answered those prayers.
the popular spelling is TURDS…liberyspawnofsatan
John Lennon would think you are a moron
this post is for get over yourself.
That still puts me 100 IQ points ahead of you.
No, I don't think that Tebow's mother ever contemplated killing her baby because he might be born less than perfect….had her own life and health been in jeopardy, perhaps she would have thought about it (but that wasn't the case here…..she was advised to abort by her doctor because she had taken meds in early pregnancy that might have damaged her baby and made him 'less than perfect'). But women who have a bone-deep belief in the sanctity in life tend to believe that ALL unborn babies have value, have a soul, and have a destiny.
There are many things that are legal, but it doesn't make them moral. I have no LEGAL requirement to report a violent crime that I witness. Yet I think all of us would agree that I have a MORAL obligation to contact police and do what I can to help the victim of a violent crime. Please learn some critical thinking skills and learn how to reason and debate logically. And by the way, curse words are not part of a rational discussion.
Lorben is right about the homeschooled kids. Carissa was homeschooled through high school. However, we need to get the public schools out of the left-wing indoctrination business and back into educating our kids.
"It's about eliminating the stigma and the guilt associated with abortions, so that women won't think twice about having them."
Yup…absolutely.
I'm glad everything turned out okay. I had a friend who had the same thing happen. She was in a coma for 3 days. Thank God both she and the baby were okay. It was her second, so she and her husband decided not to have anymore due to the risk. They didn't know why she hemorrhaged, she wasn't too small for the baby. But the doctors did say she was high risk for the same thing happening again (her first birth hadn't gone smoothly either). Such a scary thing. I guess this is why elective abortion is hard for me to understand. Many of us go through so much to bring healthy, wanted babies into the world.
Sanger has been portrayed as some kind of hero within the "choice" community. Too bad they don't know the real story behind her motives of removing "undesirables" from society. Often the most vocal supporters of abortion belong to the very populations that Sanger wanted to cull. You have to wonder why liberals have tried to obscure the real story about Sanger. I know I do.
I have personally read both the House and the Senate bills and the Senate bills mandates that all individuals enrolled in the public option MUST pay a monthly fee of no less that $1 (but possibly much, much more) per month to fund ELECTIVE (not medically necessary, not result of rape or incest!) abortion. In addition, taxpayers are subsidizing the costs of health insurance for those who either cannot or who refuse to pay for their own insurance….and those health insurance plans (in the Senate bill) cover elective abortion. Please read the actual legislation rather than getting your talking points from Barbara Boxer. You would sound a lot more intelligent.
And the House bill originally had similar language until Stupak (D-MI) had an amendment added to bar taxpayer money from funding ELECTIVE abortions.
We are not cramming our beliefs down your throat and many of us aren't even religious. We simply would like 1) our tax money to NOT be used for elective abortions, 2) for women to take responsibility for their sexual decisions, and 3) for women (who have chosen to be sexually irresponsible) to realize that their unborn baby has a heartbeat and is a living being that can be adopted instead of aborted.
Sick!
Brenda – let's see an ad that SPECIFICALLY discourages abortion and instead encourage adoption (by either a gay couple or straight couple)….I don't think many Christian conservatives would have a huge problem with it.
@BlackCowboy….I seriously doubt that you are either Black or a Cowboy.
Please learn how to spell and how to debate. Other than name-calling, aren't there ANY logical, informed arguments that you can come up with to contribute to this discussion? Rational and educated discourse among people who disagree with one another is welcome here. Are we going to get any of that from you? I think not.
Thanks for dodging the question like a little wuss, jack.
I had said "Prog-Nazi monster" earlier. Had to tone it down a bit.
Good point.
You are aware that there are ATHEIST pro-life activists. One is David Harsanyi who became pro-life because of the disturbing eugenics undertones to the pro-abortion movement:
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2009...
Yeah, the Left is the same way when it comes to the farce of gay "marriage."
So much for tolerance.
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It's a baby if you want it.
It's a lifeless lump of tissue if you don't.
Easy.
If you think tearing fetuses limb from limb is only related to partial-birth abortion you need to read the partial-birth abortin caselaw, specifically Stenberg v. Carhart, http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-830.ZS.html. The reason the majority in that case struck down the Nebraska law is because they feared it would criminalize what it called the most common abortion procedure, D&X, which refers to tearing fetuses limb from limb inside the mother’s womb. Although partial-birth abortion (killing a fetus partially outside the womb) is now illegal under federal law, D&X is protected and flourishing. NHM I greatly appreciate your service, but you and others need to understand the grotesque truth about abortion.
Please tell me you aren't a USC fan!
I have always thought the same thing! 'Sanctity of Life' refers to protecting innocent life……it has NEVER had any thing to do with deaths that occur during wartime or executing heinous criminals as punishment/deterrent.
What is really sad is that many in the pro-abortion camp are solidly anti-death penalty…..I suppose in their minds guys who rape, torture, and butcher toddlers are more worthy of life than an innocent baby.
Because I think the issue is a little more complicated then, get an abortion, kill a future Heisman winner. The world is not colored in black and white. We live in grey areas, and until you are willing to have a conversation that doesn't involve the argument "you are a liberal who just wants to kill babies", then your opinion holds no water. That is what my prior comment was meant to convey. Sorry if it seemed rushed or smart assed for I did not mean it to be. I had just got off work, so a little quick to sarcasm. Sorry about that.
And as long as you come up in here treating us all like knuckle-dragging neanderthals who can't possibly see other than "black and white" yo WILL get hostile responses.
In my informed opinion, folks like you really need to do twice as much listening as you do talking. I for one and beyond tired of having liberals tell me I am a superstitious throwback for going to church, fearing God and believing I am more than just an evolved ape. I'm tired of being told that "yes we ARE going to have homosexuality in the school curricula, and NO we are definitely NOT allowing 'intelligent design' to be discussed alongside Darwinian evolution and convergent/divergent evolution in science classes."
You come in here not knowing jack sh*t about conservatives, what they think, why they think that way or anything. Your words were "Keep your opinion to yourself", or, in other words, "SHUT UP".
You got some things to be sorry for, alright, and one of the biggest is your bigotry.
50 million souls extinguished since 1973…. that body count is on par with the most murderous of communist regimes. It is our great shame.
why does it have to be either or? why can't we be concerned for the unborn children as well as the born who are facing all the above mentioned? Your argument is a fallacy in insinuating that to be concerned and care about one thing, the other which is a completely separate issue must go by the way-side. I know plenty of pro-life people who are caring for orphans and children in poverty, myself included.
And maybe you should point that criticism at yourself. You dont know anything about me. Where did I say conservative? Where did I say anything about being a liberal? Is it easier to give your "enemy" a name when they do not? My opinions are not made by dragging the lake of whatever my favorite politic requires. You should take some time and stop labelling everyone that disagrees with you just because it makes it easier for you to argue with them outside of , you know, having a conversation. Obviously (judging by the aggravated wording of your comment) you are surrounded by people in YOUR LIFE (not the world, important to make that distinction to yourself) that have some sort of problem with your belief system. I do not. You are completely entitled to them. Opinions (blatantly confrontational as yours seem to be judging by your previous posts berating my military service because you dont like or believe me among others) help nothing.
Remember that old saying "opinions are like a**holes"? Not everyone has ideas to help the problem. Obviously your intelligent, so instead of lashing out at the "enemy" (which I admit I also did, spurred by the outrageous claims of my untrustworthiness and evil beliefs because I dont share their own) and bring something to the table. I have made no assumptions about who you are and you would do good not to assume things about me. Theres another old saying about that.
Great post!
Wow, in a coma for three days, that is scarey and I don't blame them for not having anymore children. With my third, the docs made sure that I had pitocen for awhile after I delivered to make sure everything clamped down correctly. My son was a long labor too and that didn't help. I think many Americans would adopt alot of the so called unwanted babies. It's sad to see that adoptions are occuring more for Chinese or Russian babies than American babies.
I read somewhere that during the Colonial times, one in four women died in childbirth. They also buried at least half of their babies or children too. I'm grateful for the advanced medical care we have in America.
You know what, it was wrong of me to make an all encompassing statement. Now can you say the same thing for the people who have called me a nazi for recognizing that, though it may not adhere to everyones beliefs, in some cases abortion is a choice that is appropriate for consideration? I hope you can, for it would make you a human being rather than a knee jerk robot.
Dear nhmjack
I am doing something about it. I got off my back side and left the security of my home and have worked in several countries helping people. So were Tebow's parents when she got sick (did you read that part?). What are you personally doing?
Lu KangSung
Japan
I ASSUME you're full of BS because you infer that you are a "Navy Hospital Medic or Hospital Corspman" who has" 8 years of experience in combat medicine and humanitarian aid." DESPITE THIS, you have NO IDEA of the type of work missionaries perform throughout the globe. It is absolutely STUNNING.
"Not everyone has ideas to help the problem"? Do you even know what most of the people who contribute regularly to these message boards THINK the problem might be? If you don't, then how would you know if they had ideas or what they were?
We have ideas. Those ideas are as ridiculed by the left as the TEA movement. It makes them no less good or helpful. Try asking us what we think instead of telling us to "keep (our) opinion(s) to (ourselves)"
Read all comments before asking me what I'm personally doing.
so you admit that the Obot does not have a brain. He is in favour of partial-birth abortion
ah we have the typical paid DNC troll. Has rather stupid comments to go with the stupidity of being a paid troll
Troll go back to DailyKos
Matt Hentoff is another liberal pro-life person.
go back to your troll cave
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Your web-site blows (you know jack shit about sports). Tebow is a hack who will make it into the NFL, but surely crumble and find himself crying once again (that was such a great moment to see the little bitch he really is). I don't know why any of you religious idiots would ever bring a child into this world just to have your own priest rape it. You are all idiots who will eventually find out that god (if he exists which seems very unlikely) doesn't give a shit about Tebow or his whore of a mother. Oh yeah whats worse than a pile of dead babies? The one on the bottom trying to eat its way out.
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