“America must always stand on the side of human dignity.” – President Barack Obama
I would like to thank the mainstream media for remembering Gao Zhisheng. One should give credit where credit is due, and in this case, it is well-deserved.
On February 4, 2009, Gao Zhisheng was abducted by the Chinese government. He has not been heard from since.
Mr. Gao is an attorney. According to The Economist, he is “one of China’s ten best lawyers.” He is also a Christian who has represented those persecuted by the Chinese government. His wife writes in the Washington Post that “he fought for those abused by the police, those who had their land stolen by the government and those who were persecuted for their religious beliefs.”
Gao not only defended his fellow Christians, but also members of the Falun Gong. This religious group is virulently hated by the Communist government. The U.N. Refugee Agency quotes a report on China’s persecution of the children of Falun Gong members:
Many children [of Falun Gong practitioners] have been directly targeted and tortured to death or thrown into prisons and labor camps. Hundreds of thousands of children have been forced to slander Falun Gong or, upon refusal, [have been] expelled from school.
Gao wrote an open letter to the U.S. Congress, in which he detailed crimes committed by the Chinese government, including the theft of private property, wanton environmental degradation, corruption of the legal system, and suppression of rights. His longest section dealt with religious persecution, particularly of practitioners of Falun Gong.
One of the instances of torture detailed in the letter is the case of a mother and son tortured to death within earshot of each other. He offered evidence to support the letter’s claims:
1). For each of the over 3,000 confirmed cases of Falun Gong practitioners who were persecuted to death (the number is still growing thanks to our indifference), we have:
a. their full name, date of birth, ID, and addresses
b. detailed accounts of how they were tortured to death
c. documents to prove their deaths
d. their corpses, ashes, and tombs as material evidence
e. testimony from their living families or friends
f. evidence for their arrests in most cases
g. for those whose organs were removed, the stitching on the bodies and the telephone conversation record with involved hospitals, and evidence provided by the transplant doctors involved
h. a large number of photos of the dead bodies
i. The people responsible for the killing are still alive and can be summoned and investigated by a special tribunal.

2). Many Falun Gong practitioners were never heard from after their arrest. Their families can testify.
3). More than 100,000 survivors who can testify about the tortures they suffered, such as electric shock on private parts, tortured with the “tiger bench,” and pricked by sharp bamboo sticks.
4). Tens of thousands of surviving Falun Gong practitioners who had been detained in labor camps
5). Those who are stilled jailed in labor camps
6). Millions who used to be detained in the brainwashing camps
7). Those who are still detained in the brainwashing camps
8). A large but unidentified number of children who were expelled from school and left homeless
9). Tens of millions who lost their jobs and financial sources, who were denied freedom and the right to go abroad
10). People of conscience within the CCP system who can serve as witnesses
This letter only exacerbated the Chinese government’s hatred toward Gao and his family. A year and a half prior to his disappearance—not arrest, as he was never formally arrested — he was kidnapped and brutally tortured for days. His written account of the torture is here.
Gao’s wife and children have fled to the United States to escape a terrifying form of house arrest the Chinese government imposes upon dissidents and their families. Gao’s wife, Geng He, continues to ask the U.S. government for help in learning what has become of her husband. It is feared that he is dead, as the Chinese police say that Gao:
… went missing while out for a walk.
Of course, these are the same people who abducted Gao in the first place, so they are not to be trusted. Geng He writes that she is unsure whether to hope her husband is dead, for if he is alive he is certainly being tortured.
Gao’s case has received a remarkable amount of media attention. President Obama, unfortunately, has remained silent. So it has always been. For every Solzhenitsyn there are a hundred craven informers. For every St. Thomas More there are dozens of graspers for whom power is the only principle.
But it isn’t too late for the president to stand for Gao Zhisheng. If he meant what he said in the State of the Union address—that “America must always stand on the side of human dignity”—standing for Gao would be a good place to start.
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He was just nominated for a Nobel Peace Price – much more deserving than Obama. http://www.lifenews.com/int1457.html
Let us all remember that this is the same government that murdered their own young people in Tiananmen Square by running them over with tanks and shooting them. Oh, and they did this in front of the world, just Google for the images.
What's a few thousand dead Falun Gong? Pshaw…plenty more where that came from.
“America must always stand on the side of human dignity.” – President Barack Obama
Unless of course it is with our number 1purchaser of our federal debt.
Just words in the air Mr. President….words in the air.
Let us all remember that this is the same government that murdered their own young people in Tiananmen Square by running them over with tanks and shooting them. Oh, and they did this in front of the whole world, just Google for the images.
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This is the future of any budding Communistic dictatorship. Silence of dissent through torture, forced labor and execution. Abolition of religion through torture and death. China is if not the worlds foremost offender of human rights then damn close and yet the powers that be do not even acknowledge that fact. I realize that they own 1/3 of our national debt, and that puts us in a rather precarious position. If you offend the Chicomms, then what happens next? They are almost our technological equals through their massive spy program, their wunderkind hackers who routinely steal valuable intel on our current technology. Something will have to give eventually, and when it does, it will not be pretty.
If he is a Christian, he will be in jail for 10 years making Christmas tree lights. The Red Commies have 50 million prisoners in manufacturing slave labor.
~~This is the future of any budding Communistic dictatorship. Silence of dissent through torture, forced labor and execution. Abolition of religion through torture and death.~~
Your post was excellent and so true. Was the Christmas decoration on Obama's tree of Mao the precursor of what's to come here but on a smaller scale?
God Bless Gao Zhisheng and family and all who are persecuted for their faith.
I say whenever you have a choice, pass up the Chinese product even if the alternative is ..say Russian…Not likely, but you get the point…ABC….Anything But Chinese…
Today in China, another lawyer is waiting for his sentence. What did he deserve this? He dared to speak out for the 5000 plus elementary and middle school students died in the earthquake in 2008. The cause of the death? school building collapsed. There was no concrete, the support poles and beams had no steel inside, or very thin wires. In China it is a crime to ask the government to find anyone accountable for the death of 5000 plus kids.
Communism is a religion, and the state is a jealous God.
I don't get their persecution of the Falun Gong movement. I don't even know if you could really call it a religion. It seems any popular movement with any spiritual overtones whatsoever is just not to be tolerated by the Chinese.
God bless Chinese Christian missionaries, trying their best to bring some spiritual light to the darkness their.
China has a constitution but it is an atheist one. Rights come from the government, not inherent from God. This is eventually what they want for us here. This would be the Elitist Utopia.
NYT writers like Frank Rich are even now calling for us to be more like China! Never in my life did I think I'd ever live to hear such things.
Marxism never sleeps… so neither shall I
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Pt 1: Who the hell made this garbage article a feature article on a conservative site? This article is the biggest bunch of "Kool-Aid for conservatives" that I have ever seen. It's basically telling us "nevermind that this human rights in China issue was started by the left." It's the biggest bunch of crock you'll ever see because China has stood against the Progressives for a long time on the whole carbon-trading thing (which now is called "Cap and Trade").
I can see why. If America's constitution was identical to China's, the bankrupt New York Times would get government subsidies and be the official newspaper of the state, while his Republican opponents would all be disappeared, tortured or jailed. Tea party demonstrations would be crushed with T-72s.
It's easy to see why the statist left has wet-dreams about a more PRC-like America.
Pt 2: If Copenhagen doesn't prove to any of you that China is our best friend against this Progressive movement, then you might as well follow Mike Pence and bash the country that saved our butts from this Progressive movement because if Mike Pence has things his way, we would NOT be valuing our sovereignty, we would not be friends with China, China would not admire us, and we would be already under the United Nations Charter, which I personally call "the Communist Manifesto made for an International Scale."
Pt 3: Think about it! Although we may all agree with Mike Pence almost 100% on domestic issues, but on a foreign front, he’s for amnesty and China-bashing on the human rights issue. What’s he there for? He’s a VERY good speaker. I think he’s there to feed us Kool-Aid.
Pt 4: If people want to defend that brainwashing called "Falungong," they might as well be supporting liberal global warming indoctrination too. Falungong is just as dangerous, if not more. People are preached to and made to jump off buildings to commit suicide. In the old days, we used to call those things "cults" in the United States. Now we have a bunch of liberal Democrat appeasers even on BigGovernment who want to bash a capitalistic nation that will become the largest Christian nation by 2100.
Pt 5: Yes, China turns a blind eye to the growth of Christianity at a rate of 1/2 million a year. If you can't recognize that this "capitalism + christianity = conservatism" formula is OUR formula, then you are stuck in the cold war era. The truth is, China has opened their doors, and they admire us for our conservative values. China hates the Progressives.
Pt 6: Ok. I do admit that they can be doing more toward freedom and liberty, but I would not think that they are doing all that bad considering that they DID TRULY INHERIT their current system from Mao. We'd better worry about our own government than to go bashing a nation that cares about other nations sovereignty.
Pt 7: I was invited to China in 1983 shortly after Deng Xiao Ping took over. This trip was for Overseas-Chinese people to be welcomed. Why do they appreciate us so much? It’s because the United States showed them and the entire world how capitalism works on a grand scale.
Pt 8: My family once ran AWAY from Mao. Am I a Communist? I don’t think so. But given my ethnic background and language skills, I certainly know more about this subject than most Americans.
Pt 9: Keep in mind that Deng Xiao Ping was a man who LOVED WORKING WITH REAGAN!!!
Pt 10: If you don't believe me, then here it is from their own mouthpiece: Chinese Premiere Wen Jiabao accusing decisive nations of "an intrusion on their national sovereignty" when it comes to developing nations.
Pt 11: China is not stupid. They know the Progressives want to swallow everybody up, including us AND THEM. It is up to YOU to decide if you want to fall for this Kool-Aid or not. I urge BigGovernment.com to take this article down.
The Obama administration is more in tune with Mao than Gao. Tough ticket Mr.Zhisheng. May God be with you.
Pt 13: Still not convinced? China has been giving the Progressives a hard time over climate change. Please see my notes on CASS SUNSTEIN's "Climate Change Justice." Maybe THAT will open your eyes!
If he wasn't a Christian, would you guys be speaking for him?
You're not sure if you're not a Commmunist ?!? WTF !
Sweetheart. Religion is about to take a back seat to unbelievable carnage.
No one ever said China is stoooopid.
Acting stupid is not Chinese American or German (Greek yes). Acting stupid is human. Behaving stupidly is the cause of considerable angst.
China is a nation that is marvelous.
The world of Chinese hackers battling US central bankers et al? That is the crap that must end.
"It's the biggest bunch of crock you'll ever see because China has stood against the Progressives for a long time on the whole carbon-trading thing (which now is called "Cap and Trade")."
So, just because the CCP is sharp enough to not fall for Cap and Trade (but has pushed for the WEST to do so nevertheless), we are supposed to excuse the millions they have killed and the millions more they have enslaved?
Wonderful moral compass you have there.
"Pt 2: If Copenhagen doesn't prove to any of you that China is our best friend against this Progressive movement,"
It hasn't. In large part because THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING TO HAVE US ADAPT IT EVEN WHILE EXCUSING THEMSELVES FROM DOING SO. And even if THAT were true, their naval arms buildup and aid to North Korea and Russia should disqualify them as our "best friend" period.
"then you might as well follow Mike Pence and bash the country that saved our butts from this Progressive movement"
NO COUNTRY "saved our butts from the Progressive movement." It is still there. And who is fighting it? Sure as HELL isn't the PRC, but the common man on the street.
"because if Mike Pence has things his way, we would NOT be valuing our sovereignty,"
Proof?
"we would not be friends with China,"
Um, we AREN'T.
"China would not admire us,"
They don't, save in a "worthy adversary that we must prove ourselves against and then destroy" way.
"and we would be already under the United Nations Charter,"
Um, to a large part we ARE.
"which I personally call "the Communist Manifesto made for an International Scale.""
And I suppose that the Communist tyranny from Beijing is any better?
"for amnesty"
Bad.
"and China-bashing on the human rights issue."
Very, VERY good.
"If people want to defend that brainwashing called "Falungong," they might as well be supporting liberal global warming indoctrination too."
Easy. I AM. Because while I am not the largest fan of Falun Gong and am CERTAINLY not a warmer, I at least RECOGNIZE THEIR RIGHT TO SPEW THEIR TRIPE! Censorship should be limited to that material necessary for national safety or less explosive but still damaging material in a time of war. The decision by the CCP to oppress Falun Gong is sickening for the same reason their decision to crush Tibetian Buddhism is, even taking into account Tibetian Buddhism's long and fairly dark history. It is still despotism. And the mark of a true free society is the structural confidence to engage the kooks in the marketplace of ideas and defeat them there rather than bringing out the storm troopers.
"Falungong is just as dangerous, if not more."
Very, VERY disputable.
"People are preached to and made to jump off buildings to commit suicide."
Preaching is legal. And while any time of group talking about suicide is delving into fairly dark waters, even if the CCP DID have evidence of aggressive and abusive brainwashing, that would ONLY justify actions against the leaders and others involved with it. It would NOT justify the indiscriminate persecution we are seeing now.
"In the old days, we used to call those things "cults" in the United States."
And in case you haven't noticed, Cults are STILL LEGAL in the US. It is only when they dive off the deep end into abusive or outright treasonous actions (See the Branch Davidians) that crushing them is justified. Or perhaps we should lock all the Moonies up simply because they exist?
"Now we have a bunch of liberal Democrat appeasers even on BigGovernment who want to bash a capitalistic nation that will become the largest Christian nation by 2100."
Absolutely. Because they are STILL a Communist, authoritarian, and unfree nation with pretentious of grandeur. They DESERVE that bashing.
"Yes, China turns a blind eye to the growth of Christianity at a rate of 1/2 million a year."
Asides from your random mass arrest and execution.
"If you can't recognize that this "capitalism + christianity = conservatism" formula is OUR formula, then you are stuck in the cold war era."
Well, since I am a Staunch Agnostic, I flatly REFUTE that. Because it is not religion that defines Conservatism, it is the VALUES THAT FRAME THE SYSTEM. Our modern system is framed by such concerns as protection for individual liberties, believe in equality of opportunity, racial/religious/ethnical blindness to the greatest degree it is possible, and the autonomy of the individual citizen to operate as he or she pleases.
China has NONE of these values. It has embraced religious, racial, and ethnical discrimination on a national level, a near monolithic dictatorship, the ownership of the citizen by the regime, and the nastiest and most corrupt form of crony capitalism I have seen short of something like the Nazis sending "undesirables" to work at the factories of those favored. Capitalism as it exists in China is a farce, an arrangement between Beijing and foreign companies where the common person is intentionally paid well below market value (the regime DOES set how much one can be paid for a certain job) and are largely deprived of the advantages one should have in a free market. This is not Conservatism, this is another form of tyranny, and it is LITERALLY right from the playbook of the interwar USSR.
"The truth is, China has opened their doors,"
Only because of strategic realpolitik. They aren't our frends.
"and they admire us for our conservative values."
Which ones? Commitment to individual liberty and the autonomy of the individual from the state?
"China hates the Progressives."
Perhaps, but that doesn't make them right. AT ALL.
"Ok. I do admit that they can be doing more toward freedom and liberty,"
Um, NO BLOODY KIDDING!
"but I would not think that they are doing all that bad considering that they DID TRULY INHERIT their current system from Mao."
And the Taiwanese inherited THEIR political system from the Chiang clan, with all the rampant corruption, despotism, and other charming things involved. And the Baltic nations inherited And the Baltic Republics inherited many of THEIR governing institutions from the Communist era. Look how THEY have done.
"We'd better worry about our own government than to go bashing a nation that cares about other nations sovereignty."
And when we DO do that, we will tell you. But China is not such a nation, as you would KNOW if you have studied their actions towards Tibet, Taiwan, the Philippines, and India.
"Pt 7: I was invited to China in 1983 shortly after Deng Xiao Ping took over. This trip was for Overseas-Chinese people to be welcomed."
Ah, lovely. I've been on a few trips there myself and to the USSR back in the day. And the rule of thumb is to NEVER, but NEVER believe you are getting the whole story on the guided tours. They'll show you the lovely picturesque city centers and maybe your quaint village or two, as well as a mildly troubled era they will hold up as a symbol of the work that is yet to be done.
What they WON'T show you is the interior, where the REAL troubles are.
Just save your money and time if you are offered to go again and go to India and cross the border there, where they don't have the resources to set up such Potemkin areas up. Act like a fairly clueless Westerner who doesn't know what happened in the region forty years ago (that lowers their guard). And once inside, take a look around. It is very, VERY illuminating about the nature of the regime. And it isn't good.
"Why do they appreciate us so much?"
They don't. Or at best they see us as a good market.
" It’s because the United States showed them and the entire world how capitalism works on a grand scale."
Perhaps, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt it, given how Chinese "Capitalism" often works.
"Pt 8: My family once ran AWAY from Mao. Am I a Communist? I don’t think so."
No, you are just a useful idiot, albeit a very minor one. You forget that the true measure of a nation is often in the interior, away from the more developed and cosmopolitan coast (case in point: Arabia, Russia, China, the Ukraine, the US, etc). And you also made the mistake that many in your position make: you trust your guides and those organizing the trip a bit too much. Anything they arrange has to be vetted by Beijing or at least one of its local offices, and they are not afraid to use that power to vet the tour to suit its needs. Don't believe me, check out "Memoir of a KGB Tour Guide", by Kozlov. It is VERY interesting reading.
" But given my ethnic background and language skills, I certainly know more about this subject than most Americans."
True, but you are still wrong.
No he didn't That is called REALPOLITIK, ladies and gentlemen.
Which is standard rhetoric that has more to do with "intrusions" regarding Taiwan, China, and the Spraty islands than with Global warming. Nothing to really see here.
Sorry, but we stopped caring about how China treats the Chinese when we started "free trade" with them.
"Pt 11: China is not stupid."
Obviously not.
"They know the Progressives want to swallow everybody up, including us AND THEM."
Exactly. The Regime sees competition for that honor and something that would hinder them from achieving its goals.
"It is up to YOU to decide if you want to fall for this Kool-Aid or not."
It ain't Kool-Aid when it is TRUE.
"I urge BigGovernment.com to take this article down."
And I urge it to remain UP. Because the nature of the Chinese regime needs examination.
No. Because Manson committed a crime along with his family, were indicted AS INDIVIDUALS IN A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY for that crime, and were locked up. Even if many Falun Gong leaders ARE less than honorable, the bottom line is that the Chinese regime has been persecuting INDIVIDUALS for their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS without a corresponding CRIME to back it up with.
Which means very, VERY little, and still does not change the fact that the regime is a despotic, Communist, and expansionist power that does NOT like us.
Hopefully yes.
Pt 12: I can't believe you guys would sit there and defend Falungong. What's next? A free Charles Manson movement?
"Sorry, not this year. George Soros, Ted Kennedy and John Murtha are next in line. Maybe we can think about it in 2013."
Sincerely,
The Nobel Commitee
WW3 is over we lost. CHINA owns us thanks to COMMIE-CASHed UP surrendaCrats and Pelosian Toxins.
It's not over until the fat lady sings and she isn't even warming up. Sorry Father, failure is not an option here.
Thank you for taking on this important subject. I was hoping against hope that our news media was going to do some expose-type journalism during the Beijing Olympics but instead we got a PR promotional ad for China by all media. I understand that China wants to be a major global player but the US used to stand for something.
We used to require a review of Human Rights violations for our trading partners because trading with an unethical country was seen as unethical. But that ended when Clinton signed China up for Permanent Trading Status in the 90s and then we saw the influx of Chinese goods into our country at a rate that alarmed most of us.
Just last year I went into a Target and could not find one thing that wasn't made in China. And yet, China puts all these restrictions on products coming from other countries. I ask you, why are we bowing to the World's bully? Why have we got into bed with the world's largest and most draconian Communist country? Do we honestly think China cares a naught about the US?
This is NOT Mao that you're dealing with. Are you that stupid? Oh! I guess you are!
What we do is start producing our own oil and energy products and begin trading that to China to help create a more balanced partnership. We take a portion of the tax receipts that we get by producing these energy products and begin to pay down our debt with China. When we finally become debt neutral, we require a more balanced trading partnership with China or we take our trade elsewhere.
In the meantime, becoming energy self-sufficient produces jobs and a new economy that can include research and new technologies. Fairly standard economics.
No, but apparently you ARE.
Or perhaps you seem to have forgotten who the current Chinese leadership came of age under? MAO.
They might not be as OVERTLY murderous and some of them (like Deng) did time in prison, but that was more due to political wrangling than anything else. The fact of the matter is that just because they have ostentiably moved past Mao's bloody heritage and have adopted a new, enlightened mask doesn't mean they actually HAVE moved past Mao.
And if you have actually looked at the CONTINUITIES between Communist Chinese policy THEN and Communist Chinese policy NOW, you will see that far less is different than you think (who do you think started the aggressive policy of Sinoizing Tibet and Singkiang? The idea of a naval arms race in the Pacific? The infiltration of Mongolia by Chinese operatives? The aggression against India? Ring ANY bells, guv'ner?)
And did Mao commit the massacre in Tiananmen Square?
In short, they are just like the USSR after Stalin: a letting up of the outright slaughter coupled with some tactical reforms and less outright saber rattling, but when you remove the for-the-public cover and look down deep, it is the same rotten, bloodred, and despotic mess that it was when Mao proclaimed it in 1949.
Now, do you have any ACTUAL arguments, or are you just going to persist in being an absolute f*cking idiot?
Again, sorry guv'ner, but doubt it. The Chinese are on the verge of demographic catastrophy and the regime is starting to fray at the seams, and in a straight up match we have the superior firepower.
This ain't over.
"So, just because the CCP is sharp enough to not fall for Cap and Trade (but has pushed for the WEST to do so nevertheless), we are supposed to excuse the millions they have killed and the millions more they have enslaved? "
There you go again listening to Progressive lies. You know NOTHING about Chinese history and the history of Cap and Trade. I have stuff going as far back as 2003 on Cap and Trade and how the Progressives kept trying to push it on the international community. Do your research! It's CHINA that has been giving every excuse under the sun not to fall for it..
"So, just because the CCP is sharp enough to not fall for Cap and Trade (but has pushed for the WEST to do so nevertheless), we are supposed to excuse the millions they have killed and the millions more they have enslaved?"
Where is the proof on ANY of this? The fact is that China is the one who has been elusive all along from all the Cap and Trade movements. That's a FACT! See what Sunstein said
"Where is the proof on ANY of this?"
Which one? Well, for the Cap and Trade on the West, see their sterling endorsement of the IPCC's findings regarding WESTERN industry (they themselves, of course, were less enthusiastic when it came to the IPCC's suggestions for THEM).
As for the murders, well, LOOK PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE YOU DESIRE, because you'll run into it eventually: eyewitness accounts, evidence compiled by various sources (including, ironically, the Soviets post-Schism), the actions the regime has taken, and their inhumane treatment of prisoners. And that is just on the things they did AFTER Mao.
"The fact is that China is the one who has been elusive all along from all the Cap and Trade movements. That's a FACT! See what Sunstein said"
And as a said, that is somewhat nice, but has a darker motive behind it (what with the arms race they are starting in the Pacific and elsewhere), and does jack squat to excuse their other actions.
If you indeed know China better than most Americans, I shiver to think how low the standards have fallen.
"There you go again listening to Progressive lies."
Progressive LIES? This is the VERY FIRST time I have heard the FACTUAL ACCOUNTS of Communist Chinese crimes being called "Progressive" or Leftist propaganda.
"You know NOTHING about Chinese history"
GHAAHAHAHAAHAAH!!!!!! Tell me knave, what do you know about Singkiang> Or Tibet? Or their "friendly issues" with the Vietnamese border? Or their use of partially artificial famine to try and mold the people into submission (a practice that did not die out with Mao, re Singkiang)? Or Tiananmen Square?
Pot kettle black.
"and the history of Cap and Trade."
Oh REALLY, knave? Do you even know when the CONCEPT was first suggested?
"I have stuff going as far back as 2003 on Cap and Trade and how the Progressives kept trying to push it on the international community."
I am not disputing that. The fact that you think that somehow changes much of anything only sows how ignorant you are.
"Do your research!"
Um,. perhaps you missed the point where I stated in great detail that I HAVE. And not merely by going on some CCP-approved guided tour. It is YOU who needs to do the homework.
"It's CHINA that has been giving every excuse under the sun not to fall for it.."
And yet they were all too happy demanding the WEST fall on it for the sake of nature, all while opening up a few dozen more coal power plants. That is naked hypocrisy, and shows how friendly China is with us.
They are the enemy. Make no mistake about that.
It's interesting to see how Copenhagen is being propagandized by China. Yes China is the great enlightened country.
I wonder, buszero, you do realize that it has been the US all along who has been reticent in approving things like the Kyoto Treaty and other Global Warming fear mongering legislation. And what was the result of the US refusing to enter into these treaties? We were smeared as the world's polluters and accused of standing in the way of the Global Warming alarmists purely for profit.
All good anti-capitalist propaganda that sounds suspiciously like–wait–communist agitation. Gee, funny how that works.
“THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING TO HAVE US ADAPT IT EVEN WHILE EXCUSING THEMSELVES FROM DOING SO.
You’re actually describing the Progressive movement inside the United Nations. China’s the one that’s been making every excuse under the sun against it. Oh! But again, you overlook that cuz you love your kool-aid
“And even if THAT were true, their naval arms buildup and aid to North Korea and Russia should disqualify them as our "best friend" period.”
Ahh, the cold-war mentality again. Let’s just overlook and nevermind all those efforts to try to get North Korea to stop producing nukes.
NO COUNTRY "saved our butts from the Progressive movement.
Where the hell were YOU during Copenhagen? Were you even watching?
"It is still there. And who is fighting it? Sure as HELL isn't the PRC, but the common man on the street.”
Well, yeah! They’re not here on American soil, but they’ve sure fought them in an international arena. Again, you purposely overlook it because you love your Kool-Aid
Wow! Mindless bashing based on nothing but hearsay and bigotry.
Rather than America standing tall as a beacon of freedom in the world, we bow to China as we accumulate massive debts to them. Americans should feel ashamed for what we have become.
Of course it's Not Over…until all surrebdaCrats are in GItmo singing…morphing into SCHOOL LESSONS about what happenss to AzzzPlates and Maoists who try to steal FREEDOM. nov2 or after…bless you my son for you don't know father_moray. Frack Mao and death to Jihad. I just fish for Jihadjis. All power to Patriots.
Just hope for NO hyperINFLATION and default…ar you'll be out cutting firewood at night to avoid ObamsZ Energy Police.
"because if Mike Pence has things his way, we would NOT be valuing our sovereignty, Proof?”
Do you know who former special assistant to Mike Pence Jaqueline Watts is and what backs her? Again, do your research
"we would not be friends with China," Um, we AREN'T.
Not if you say so, because you want us under that U.N. umbrella
Of course it's Not Over…until all surrebdaCrats are in GItmo singing…morphing into SCHOOL LESSONS about what happenss to AzzzPlates and Maoists who try to steal FREEDOM. nov2 or after…bless you my son for you don't know father_moray. Frack Mao and death to Jihad. I just fish for Jihadjis. All power to Patriots.
Just hope for NO hyperINFLATION and default…ar you'll be out cutting firewood at night to avoid ObamsZ Energy Police.
But to your point, it would be interesting IF DEMS now held their CASH..all…but wishful thinking…on your part? Chinese cash flow from USA is megaEnormous daily. Chinese hackers have hacked all defense computers…all. Ceylons on Galactica.
"You’re actually describing the Progressive movement inside the United Nations."
Reading comprehension much? The Left has (at least usually) had the honesty of trying to foist that pile of tripe on ALL of us. The Chinese, on the other hand, have advocated that the West accept a limited form of it, but that they themselves should not do it at all.
"China’s the one that’s been making every excuse under the sun against it. Oh! But again, you overlook that cuz you love your kool-aid"
No I did not, arsehole. They have been making every excuse under the sun when it comes to THEMSELVES doing it, but as their endorsement of at least part of the IPCC's judgement (that relating to the West) shows, they are not so forthcoming for the REST of us.
"Ahh, the cold-war mentality again."
Absolutely. Because in case you haven't noticed, the regime's leaders are in a regime that LIVES off of large parts of the Cold War calculus, and their statements and actions show that CLEARLY.
"Let’s just overlook and nevermind all those efforts to try to get North Korea to stop producing nukes."
Which was a very, VERY rare break in gthe alliance between Beijing and Pyongyang, and they have indeed been undermining that very effort by continuing to trade with Pyongyang against the dictates of the very group you laud them as members of. Again, that is pure political calculation rather than a show of how great friends we are. In the end, China is not an ally, but just the opposite.
"Where the hell were YOU during Copenhagen?"
In California. Where I USUALLY am. In Orange County visiting my family. Your point?
"Were you even watching?"
Yes.
"Well, yeah! They’re not here on American soil, but they’ve sure fought them in an international arena."
Only halfheartedly and for their own less than noble reasons.
"Again, you purposely overlook it because you love your Kool-Aid"
Pot kettle black, knave.
Obviously, somebody hasn't been paying attention.
“"China would not admire us," They don't, save in a "worthy adversary that we must prove ourselves against and then destroy" way.””
Yeah. That’s why they bought our debt. Tell me, how is owning American debt a good deal for China whey they could have taken that $2 trillion, invested it into backing their own mortgages and made more money? Obama doesn’t even want to pay half of it back!
"and we would be already under the United Nations Charter," Um, to a large part we ARE.
Because of whom? The PROGRESSIVES! You need to know who your real enemy is!
“which I personally call "the Communist Manifesto made for an International Scale." And I suppose that the Communist tyranny from Beijing is any better?”
Gee! When have they ever attacked us?
"Do you know who former special assistant to Mike Pence Jaqueline Watts is and what backs her? Again, do your research"
Good, so you have been paying attention. Now, if only you could do the same to Chinese history….
"Not if you say so, because you want us under that U.N. umbrella"'
Um, idiot, have you even seen some of my comments regarding the UN? I think not.
You're d*mned right it's bad!
How persuasive!
I suppose you support the killsings at Waco, Columbine, and West Virginia Tech too!
America should not bow to China and I believe China does not want us to bow to them. We should fee ashamed. However, we prefer to act shamelessly.
Well, since I am a Staunch Agnostic, , I flatly REFUTE that.
'Nuff said! Those are your values
Al Gore is one person and Barack Obama's Presidency is a year old. I am talking about the previous decades. It's called history. The fact is the US has a history of opposing "Global Warming" tax and spend legislation and treaties because we viewed the science with skepticism. We all now know we were right because the science, in fact, is NOT settled.
As a result, our country was maligned as the great polluters for years. Even though the US hasn't increased CO2 (which is bogus to begin with) levels in years and in fact has reduced levels periodically. China on the other hand keeps increasing CO2 levels from anywhere from 4 percent to 8 percent per year.
Now China, in the 9th hour, comes along and wants to take credit for obstructing the bogus Copenhagen Treaty. It's not our fault that the US now has a President who has aligned himself with the ECO-left. Our history in this area is much different.
And the Taiwanese inherited THEIR political system from the Chiang clan, with all the rampant corruption, despotism, and other charming things involved. And the Baltic nations inherited And the Baltic Republics inherited many of THEIR governing institutions from the Communist era. Look how THEY have done.
Remember that the Taiwanese constitution was set up by Chiang AND EISENHOWER
Cool! Welcome!
Sir Andrew! You are drawing quite the crowd. You know what buszero……yeah yeah we agree on whatever brah.
Folks. I'd be getting as many assets into cash as you can ASAP. Get liquid before your head is under the March lows. Yes they may rally this bad boy again but you'll never survive the downdrafts.
Ah, lovely. I've been on a few trips there myself and to the USSR back in the day. And the rule of thumb is to NEVER, but NEVER believe you are getting the whole story on the guided tours. They'll show you the lovely picturesque city centers and maybe your quaint village or two, as well as a mildly troubled era they will hold up as a symbol of the work that is yet to be done.
Wrong! We drove from city to city. I've seen more of the countryside from that time than you have. I guarantee it. But that just means that they've come a long way.
Perhaps, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt it, given how Chinese "Capitalism" often works.
Then we should be agreeing to compete with them in a capitalistic arena rather than bashing them on a human rights one with a bunch of lies. Do your research on where you get your information from. It's all a bunch of lies from the Hillary camp.
"China has capitalist centers because without capitalism China would still be a third world nation. Capitalism is what put China on economic global level. HOWEVER, the vast majority of the Chinese people are little more than poorly kept welfare recipients who are used for labor and food production."
You have to start somewhere, and with the circumstances that they were given, I think they're doing fine, especially with 4 times the population of the United States
*sarcasm* … if you can see it
No, you are just a useful idiot, albeit a very minor one…True, but you are still wrong.
A useful idiot would only promote the way into global slavery
"No he didn't That is called REALPOLITIK, ladies and gentlemen."
Yeah, and nevermind all the capitalism and christianity that was spread throughout China as a result of that exchange
"Which is standard rhetoric that has more to do with "intrusions" regarding Taiwan, China, and the Spraty islands than with Global warming. Nothing to really see here."
Quite the contrary! It's what they're telling and broadcasting to their own people
"The world of Chinese hackers battling US central bankers et al? That is the crap that must end.
Soros owns Google. I don't believe we should be using the US govt to protect him either
"It ain't Kool-Aid when it is TRUE"
When you read your left-wing propaganda, I'd suggest you consider the source. I don't think Hillary and the Progressives are good for us
"No. Because Manson committed a crime along with his family, were indicted AS INDIVIDUALS IN A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY for that crime, and were locked up. Even if many Falun Gong leaders ARE less than honorable, the bottom line is that the Chinese regime has been persecuting INDIVIDUALS for their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS without a corresponding CRIME to back it up with."
So, brainwashing people to jump of buildings is not a crime? I think that's a gray area.
can you understand that as Americans we recognize that people should be free to practice whatever religion they want without fear of prosecution? There is never any reason to prison people merely for practicing what effectively is a form of meditation as is Falungong.
It's NOT just medidation. It's brainwashing, just like the global-warming and worship the earth crap. Falungong makes people commit suicide
"Which means very, VERY little, and still does not change the fact that the regime is a despotic, Communist, and expansionist power that does NOT like us."
Ahh, no argument for that eh? What? You don't want to admit that you side with Sunstein too?
"And did Mao commit the massacre in Tiananmen Square?"
Do you really want to bring up Tiananmen? Tell me, if the infrastructure that feeds 4 times the population of the United States was SUDDENLY OVERTHROWN, what would have happened?
"Which one? Well, for the Cap and Trade on the West, see their sterling endorsement of the IPCC's findings regarding WESTERN industry (they themselves, of course, were less enthusiastic when it came to the IPCC's suggestions for THEM)."
It's called resistence to going under the UN umbrella. Ultimately, it's to save themselves and other countries from global slavery. If you can't see that, you're blind.
Oh okay. So that BBC documentary I saw that exposes how the peasants have their second child taken away from them or are forced into abortion at the ninth month was all kool-aid and a Hillary conspiracy? Hello, Hillary Clinton was practically bought and paid for by the Chinese during her husband's term as President.
Also, all the books by people who escaped China and told their stories about being held prisoner for just suggesting that they had rights are all apart of some great big conspiracy to make China look bad?
Or how about my friend, who is a European national who does business with China and who has seen and heard stories by trusted friends about how Chinese business people are some of the most corrupt and have no problem blackmailing their clients into favorable business practices for China. They are apart of this misinformation as well?
I think you need to really re-think your accusations of who is drinking the kool-aid? it sounds like you are saturated with the funny juice yourself.
"GHAAHAHAHAAHAAH!!!!!! Tell me knave, what do you know about Singkiang? Or Tibet? Or their "friendly issues" with the Vietnamese border? Or their use of partially artificial famine to try and mold the people into submission (a practice that did not die out with Mao, re Singkiang)? Or Tiananmen Square"
Wow! You want to bring up all that crap again? Ok. Let's go! How do you defend all the syringe attacks on innocent people in Xinjiang? Did you know that there's a nerve drug in those syringes? If that drug hits an organ or a limb, it'll render them useless. As for Tiananmen, if that infrastructure that supports 4 times the population of the United States was overthrown at that time, it would have been the French Revolution all over again.
I don't agree with this statement at all. I don't have time right now to refute it to the degree in which it requires but felt that silence would be tantamount to agreement or no argument. So suffice it to say, that for starters at least 90 percent of the "middle class" of China is a CCP member and 3/4 of the population of China are peasants with no rights whatsoever and you get where I am going with this.
"Which was a very, VERY rare break in gthe alliance between Beijing and Pyongyang, and they have indeed been undermining that very effort by continuing to trade with Pyongyang against the dictates of the very group you laud them as members of. Again, that is pure political calculation rather than a show of how great friends we are. In the end, China is not an ally, but just the opposite."
Again, you digress and don't really have any answers, but rather, you just make false accusations.
Um, idiot, have you even seen some of my comments regarding the UN? I think not.
Then stop defending Progressive ideas!
"I don't agree with this statement at all. I don't have time right now to refute it to the degree in which it requires but felt that silence would be tantamount to agreement or no argument. So suffice it to say, that for starters at least 90 percent of the "middle class" of China is a CCP member and 3/4 of the population of China are peasants with no rights whatsoever and you get where I am going with this."
Wrong again! Many of the people who became middle class were once peasants. There has never been a better cure for famine than capitalism. The opportunities are there for them. And you are completely not taking into account the fact that they have such a large population when you say that.
Really? The Kyoto Protocol of the 1997 is the 11th hour?
It's funny how you've spun all these accusations without acknowledging her 1995 speech in Beijing on "human rights"
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