Frances Fox Piven has a history of flame-throwing. She’s better known as one-half of the infamous Cloward-Piven strategy, wherein she and her husband published a theory detailing how people could overwhelm the system, break the system, and then get higher, guaranteed income. From magic.
Now that Piven’s calls for violent revolution have landed her in the … spotlight (you thought I was going to say crosshairs, didn’t you! You vitriolic person!) and the media is circling the wagons.
The New York Times is concerned:
On his daily radio and television shows, Glenn Beck has elevated once-obscure conservative thinkers onto best-seller lists. Recently, he has elevated a 78-year-old liberal academic to celebrity of a different sort, in a way that some say is endangering her life.
It’s easy to say Glenn Beck elevates because it allows the mainstream media to ignore the massive conservative population in America as the factor which really gave attention to conservative thinkers and thus, elevated them.
In response, a liberal nonprofit group, the Center for Constitutional Rights, wrote to the chairman of Fox News, Roger Ailes, on Thursday to ask him to put a stop to Mr. Beck’s “false accusations” about Ms. Piven.
“Mr. Beck is putting Professor Piven in actual physical danger of a violent response,” the group wrote.
Fox News disagrees. Joel Cheatwood, a senior vice president, said Friday that Mr. Beck would not be ordered to stop talking about Ms. Piven on television. He said Mr. Beck had quoted her accurately and had never threatened her.
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Ms. Piven said in an interview that she had informed local law enforcement authorities of the anonymous electronic threats.
Progressives who speak of Piven’s threats remain silent on the threats (worse ones) directed at Sarah Palin, whom progressives targeted online in death threats on Twitter and pages devoted to her death on Facebook.
Again, situational compassion. Death threats are unacceptable in any fashion against anyone, but you’d be hard pressed to find a single progressive blogger or MSM character who has, or ever will, condemn death threats against conservative women. That’s because progressives happily sanction (when they’re not issuing the threats themselves) such behavior against conservative women. But that’s a post for another day. It’s nice to know that they’ve evolved to the point where they will at least defend their own as opposed to eating them. To a point.
More on the press front: Steve Benen, of the horribly Photoshopped and pixelated column “Political Animal,” isn’t so much an “animal” as a clueless blogger who doesn’t realize that Piven isn’t an “obscure” political character.
WHEN BECK’S MINIONS GET THE MESSAGE…. Glenn Beck doesn’t just rail against perceived enemies, whom he considers dangerous villains who must be stopped; he also chooses obscure enemies he considers worthy of his rage.
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If you’ve never heard of Frances Fox Piven, don’t feel bad. Up until a couple of weeks ago, I hadn’t either.
Which makes him perfectly qualified as a progressive pundit. His post sounds like the plot for “Despicable Me 2.”
(Why is Piven important and not “obscure?” Because her and Obama’s relationship with the New Party and her chaotic economic theories popping up in proposed policy can’t just be coincidental.)
Continuing this theme, the NYT would have you believe that Piven has done nothing for attention since she first opined about destroying the economy:
Never mind that Ms. Piven’s radical plan to help poor people was published 45 years ago, when Mr. Beck was a toddler.
Right, because Piven hasn’t been active at all in calling for a violent revolution, or regularly maligning conservatives with her “rhetoric.”
Piven recently dazzled us with her manner of ignoring the accomplishments – nay, the very existence – of black conservative tea partiers because, as she infers, black people don’t count unless they’re progressives. Piven actually goes further than the three-fifths compromise by not acknowledging black conservative Americans at all.
She also says something about the tea party being hard-up or hung up on gender roles.
Here is Piven advocating for violence as acceptable dissent in 2004:
“I have considerable respect for nonviolence but I don’t treat it as inevitably a necessary rule …
“It’s partly a problem almost strategy and propaganda, it’s a violent country, it’s a violent government, it’s killing people, and they’re going to call us violent if we break a window, but they will do that. Unless you have good reason for breaking the window, probably you shouldn’t do that, unless it’s,m you know, a big part of your strategy.”
Piven calls for violent revolution again in the most recent issue of The Nation:
So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs? After all, the injustice is apparent. Working people are losing their homes and their pensions while robber-baron CEOs report renewed profits and windfall bonuses. Shouldn’t the unemployed be on the march? Why aren’t they demanding enhanced safety net protections and big initiatives to generate jobs?
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Second, before people can mobilize for collective action, they have to develop a proud and angry identity and a set of claims that go with that identity. They have to go from being hurt and ashamed to being angry and indignant.
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Third, protesters need targets, preferably local and accessible ones capable of making some kind of response to angry demands.
Did Piven just say “targets?” Wait – shouldn’t the left be condemning this instead of defending it? How are we to take their calls for censorship civility seriously?
An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees.
You remember what those looked like, yes?
That’s what Piven’s advocating. Still find it defensible?
Piven defends her remarks:
“That is not a call for violence,” Ms. Piven said Friday of the references to riots. “There is a kind of rhetorical trick that is always used to denounce movements of ordinary people, and that is to imply that the massing of people itself is violent.”
Come again? Nice semantics, but no dice. Piven specifically called for a violent uprising. Her verbatim quotes and quotes in her own voice are above. If she’s second-guessing her remarks, the thing to do is to apologize for them, say she was wrong, and move on. Sadly, progressives don’t operate in such a manner; as we saw after Arizona: when there was more evidence to tie Jared Loughner to the progressive-Communist movement, progressives double-downed on blaming the tea party. You have to give them credit: they are tenacious to a fault.
Instead, Piven insults the intelligence of conservatives, even her own ideology, by calling criticism of her remarks ungood and saying that she meant something else other than the very clear language which came from her mouth. How does she insult her own ideology? By dumbing down their discourse to mere rhetoric and making them defend falsehoods as truth.
When you become a slave to semantics over cause, you’ve lost your soul.
When you can’t see the cause for the argument, you’ve lost your purpose.
This is how liberalism is nearly extinct due to progressivism.
Instead of defending the merits of Piven’s arguments – there are none, which is why progressives won’t or can’t – the situational feminists of the progressive persuasion, both male and female, decided to reinvent Piven as a poor, elderly, widowed college prof, how dare anyone criticize her statements.

The Daily Mail couched a story on Piven between a story on Lada Gaga and a piece on bimbo Katie Price, a.k.a. the usual Daily Mail fare.
If Frances Fox Piven is correct, then stick up for her arguments. Where’s that grrrl power aesthetic from the progs? Women as old as Piven are cavorting around in Jimmy Choos in “Sex and the City” slamming silly pink cosmos like they’re PBRs. Sixty is the new 50 is the new 40 is the new 30. When someone is accurately quoting Piven and expresses alarm at her statements, that’s not an attack. Why is Piven suddenly too delicate to face her own words when someone else says them?
What about all elderly widows Piven bullies with her remarks?
Remember when the Obama administration sent storm troopers to intimidate little old ladies in Quincy, Illinois?
Where was the concern for the widows, the elderly then?
Again, situational compassion.
If Piven is too delicate to assume criticism for her insane remarks, then someone on her side should do the old lady a kindness and tell her that if she’s too delicate for criticism of her own remarks, she’s too delicate to make those remarks. The left and the media need consistency in order for this narrative to work.






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First off: The Left has some of the, shall we say, most unattractive people in history. They don't age very well I might add (all that LSD I suppose). Sorry if that sounds petty, but she has a kind of Don Imus look to her.
Further, the Leftist media continue to cover for Obama, his hero Piven and Ayers. Obama's records are sealed and we may never know what is in them. But I can be pretty sure of this—–Obama's thesis was probably based on executing Cloward-Piven. After all, that is how he is governing.
Ah, a true gem of the academic community. Add a few idealistic and inexperienced 18 year olds…..
And speaking of aging gracefully…ever see Striesand without her makeup? Enough to back buzzards off roadkill.
Gee I feel so bad that the poor ol insane lunatic rabble-rouser is finally suffering a tiny bit for her screed,
even though it's many years after the fact. Hire some security you ol biddy, Who ever told you you deserved
a free ride in the USA? You have clearly worked against the country's success for all of your career.
Time to pay the piper, methinks… he, he, he… you thought you had got away with your subversive behavior
all those years, didn't you?
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ah yes, one of the left's favorite lateral defenses- "Little ol' moi?" -i also note she certainly hasn't renounced her position of 45 yrs ago…
Thank you for this response. The NYTimes "sympathy" ploy was downright hideous in its hypocrisy! And, to read that The Nation is publishing all those "death threats," made against poor old Frances. Well. Like all cockroaches who like to spread their filth in dark corners, Piven scurries away from the light. So, MORE LIGHT PLEASE on Frances Fox Piven. Keep it up; tell her story; highlight her words, so people can see what she's really up to in those dark corners.
Is it zeitgeist or is it Piven? If you trace the groupthink, you have to end up pretty close to Piven.
There is no compassion in those eyes.
Her calculating stare conjures up images of Stalin.
If she is getting treats she should take that to the police; you know the ones she hates. Then we would know these claims were real; as it is I think she just wants some attention/get the masses stirred up.
So, her supporters are not denying her views, but just don't want her views to "come home to roost".
The Leftist Loons can't handle the pressure anymore. WE THE PEOPLE are winning and they can't stop us. You see all these years in the USA they could get away with saying crazy Marxist things without being held accountable. Those days are over!!! The Leftist Loons are trying to shut us up…..But it won't work. Keep the pressure on them. Don't let them hide. Lets just keep giving them a little NUDGE. Two can play this game. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Cloward & Piven and Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals are the underpinnings of this the most Radical regime in US history. While Piven says she's doesn't advocate violence, in the next sentence she says if it is part of your plan, it is okay. Typical Leftist Doublespeak!!!! She would make a good character in Orwell's 1984.
Ah yes, the the Left whips out the "Doddering Senior Card".
Kindly "Grandma Piven" hasn't done anything in 45 years.
Well neither has Cuddly "Uncle Charlie" (Manson) ….
This is the same tactic Rep. Rangel tried to pull off at at his impeachment hearing.
"Gee whiz … I don't understand what's going on here …. I'm confused … I better leave".
Deflect, deny and claim Senior Abuse …
And just as with Snookie, President Obama will probably claim "Sorry I never heard of her".
Gee, I guess Beck has struck a nerve. These leftist hacks can't take being called on the carpet. They love to spew their anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom message without consequence. How dare Beck run video, in context, of their own vicious words. How dare Beck use their words against them. Soros, Piven, Jones, et al, love to rail against the racist establishment with calls for street violence, that get results, but no one is allowed to talk about them. It is amazing to see how Pravda West, formerly the MSM, circles the wagons for their own. Did they circle the wagons for Palin who has undergone the most vicious personal attacks since running with McCain? And for what? What did she do? Did SHE call for street violence? No, she did not. No, she dared to call these Marxists what they are. That is her sin and she will never live it down in their eyes.
She's a "liberal academic" in the way Li'l Kim Jong Il is a kindly toymaker (his "toys" being nuclear in nature) and Joe Stalin was a gruff but grandfatherly retired soldier.
What is the point in threatening her life. She is going to die of old age soon anyway.
…and who would want to make a martyr out of her?
I suppose Beck is responsible for Van Jones as well.
The left sure loves the role of victim.
“That is not a call for violence,” Ms. Piven said Friday …
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…through her breathing tube, as she lay gasping for breath in a hospital bed in a small room with seven other patients who, like Ms. Piven, cannot afford decent care because of the current state of healthcare in this country…, you forgot to add, Dana.
The closer we come to 2012, rest assured that every conceivable form of untruths, accusations, out right lies, will pour from the mouths of those so afflicted. However, their deceitful and unAnerican ways are being revealed for what they are, and nothing will put that genie back in the bottle. What we are witnessing is the death throes of the Liberls and democratic community.
The vultures have come home to roost……
Sorry if that sounds petty, but she has a kind of Don Imus look to her.
I was thinking more along the lines of as Zombie #32 from The Walking Dead.
Francis Piven and Helen Thomas – now there's a pair to draw to. Ladies, time to get on the short bus and go home. Of course, you have to sit in the back.
''vultures come home to roost……." now that's funny, don't care who ya are…
; )
Lets see if I got this correct: 1; Piven writes drivel 45 years ago. 2; Socialists in America are trying to use the Cloward-Piven strategy to increase socialism. 3; Beck calls them on their screeds which include violence and labels their agenda correctly with no mistakes. 4; Someone, somewhere with a screw or two loose and who lost their tinfoil hats and makes a threat against Piven. 5; Piven blames Beck with absolutely zero evidence that the individuals in #4 were beck fans and that the indiviudals in #4 are the same types perhaps that Piven wanted and who are also the same types that rioted in Greece and 6; its all Becks fault… shut that violent evil right winger up. 7. Riiiiiggggghhhhhtttt!
Nuh uh!
“There is a kind of rhetorical trick that is always used to denounce movements of ordinary people, and that is to imply that the massing of people itself is violent."
She is pointing out a trick of the left. This was applied by all leftists to the Tea Party.
You don't care who I am?
Now, you've gone and hurt my feelings…….
connect-the-dots is not the left's favorite game.
Beck is a master at using peoples own words against themselves. He lays it out for all to see and they can't stand that. This women is treasonist and still walks our streets? Taking back America is top priority and this ilk needs to be exposed in full light and then flogged in the public square. I say we do a full frontal web exposure on this evil and plaster it daily until MSM is forced to talk about.
There's no statute of limitations for treason……
While we're talking about it, lets not forget John Kerry…….
"hurt my feelings……"
r i i i i i g h t Deuse, heh, heh!
If only I believed it were that easy… : )
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If you haven't seen the movie "Lost Boys," there's a terrific scene in it where a couple of pre-teens invade a vampire clan's hiding place, intending to kill them. But the two flee when the vampires awaken even though they do nothing but talk.
The first brother: "What happened?" The second: "They cheated. They opened their eyes and talked."
That's the Left's attitude toward any time conservatives express themselves: We're cheating. We've opened our eyes and we're talking. By progressive gospel, that's dirty pool.
I got news for the Left. I don't need Beck or Limbaugh to incite me to hate the Left. The Left itself is responsible for all the hate and contempt I have for them. The fact that their ideology is responsible for the death of over 100 million innocent victims in the last century is just the tip of the iceberg. Add to that the Left's constant efforts to project all their own misdeeds on conservative capitalism. Their refusal to accept that Hitler, a National SOCIALIST was one of their own who practiced the very same eugenics that Margaret Sanger of Planned Parenthood advocated is yet another reason to despise them. And the fact that despite all their failure and the misery it's caused they still arrogantly try to advance their ideology using the most despicable and subversive methods conceivable is yet another reason. They are a cancer on humanity that must be rooted out without mercy.
I've been trying to get in touch with them, but all I get is a voice saying "this number has been disconnected"……
I have been reading comments at Frances Fox Piven threads at DU, a prime leftist website. When they are not making pointless obscene personal comments on Glenn Beck, they are portraying her like some persecuted harmless granny.
Left wingers hate it when you quote them accurately.
The Daily Mail certainly marginalized her. Are they sexist, ageist and since when does marital status have anything to do with this? Is she more vulnerable because she doesn't have a husband to defend her? Just what are they saying?
OK sarc…but really…….
"because, as she infers, black people don’t count" Or intimates?
All right, everybody. Ya gotta cut me some slack, here.
Watching "The Dark Knight" the other day, one of the scenes in that movie explained this Far Left SKANK, and her ilk, to a tee.
In trying to convince Bruce Wayne that he DIDN'T understand the motives of his opponent – The Joker – Alfred told him a story about his time in BURMA during WW2. About a GUY, from the forests, who killed, indiscriminately. Who Terrorized the Villagers, and took the precious gems that they mined. And he told him how, he and his mates, one day, found these Valuable Stones just scattered about on the jungle floor.
When Bruce Wayne asked him why the guy would do this? Why he didn't keep them for himself? Alfred answered him: "He wasn't interested in Wealth, or anything else, for that matter."
And then he said this: "Some people just want to WATCH THE WORLD BURN".
Ladies and Gentlemen. I give you Francis Fox Piven.
I thought she looked familiar.
Jim Crow media — self segregated news by socialists, for socialists. Conservatives demonized to the back of the bus.
Piven is a bitter old marxist who now sees her grand schemes being rolled back. They only like to operate in the background out of sight where they can't be seen for what they are. The media covers for them.
and Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn, Rahmbo ……. Wake up America
This is nothing more blind that liberal ideology. When the narrative is in conflict with the actual, double down on the narrative. We see this type behavior out of the democrats every day.
Also, a 78-year-old rattlesnake is still a snake.
She WAS in the book.
Beck thinks he's some kind of Nazi-hunter. But he doesn't know when to quit. His rants against the obscure Tides Foundation nearly got everyone killed there by a crazed, armed Beck fan last summer. Now Piven. If she's killed, Beck's going to prison. He needs to tone it down before another crazed Beck fan carries out his fatwa against Piven.
I would wager Beck has recieved 200% more death threats than Piven, because of Piven's allies. So where are the voices calling to cease & desist on that side at?
Did you even bother to read the article? Can you read? Why are you here? Go away.
It does sound petty. How exactly is beauty related to being on the right side of political issues, again????
Pointing out, intellectually, ideologies with which we disagree is only wrong if Conservatives do it, according to the Progressive propagandists. Conservatives are demonized and targeted by aggressive, regressive Leftists not only by rhetoric but by nasty scary mobs on the streets and on the residential property of their opponents. This is fact.
Even the Pres. has told large, partisan audiences to 'punish their enemies'. This is verifiable. Who was he referring to as enemies to be punished? And How was he expecting them to be punished? What sort of results will result from this? And Who will the Progressives in office and media blame for this?
Both Lenin and Stalin had people executed for describing how they (Lenin and Stalin) actually behaved in the 1905 Revolution and the 1918 Revolution. One Woman Revolutionary described how Lenin after a blood thirsty speech to the men on the barricade turned white and ran terrified at the first sound of gun fire off in the distance. Needless to say he had everyone in her family executed before her then had her killed. Stalin exterminated the entire Politburo because he was little more than a thug robbing banks while they engaged in Revolution in 1905 and Coup d'etat in 1918.
The leadership of the Left are always cowards when they are not in power but vindictive mass murderers when they seize control recruiting sociopaths and murderous criminals to do the dirty work.
Pivens is still operating in the Peaceful Leftist mode but She is probably taking names of her her enemies at this point and hoping and dreaming for the chance to shed their blood.
* Radical Rules for Non-Radicals — Rule #11: Help a little old lady cross the street.
* Rules for Radicals — Rule #15: Live to be an old age, then let a little conservative boy help you cross the street; once across, point at him and yell, "Pervert! Rape!!"
How will this site react if she's killed?
Wait. Don't bother. I already know.
How will you react if Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity or Palin is killed? Will you demand the imprisonment of all people spewing this left wing rhetoric against them?
You are, seriously, a delusional hypocrite as are 99.999% of liberals. This is all a big game to you leftist children, like scoring points after a deranged schizophrenic killed six people. It's amazing how you invent things in your mind that Conservatives say which, in fact, are projections of leftist thought and actual actions. Hey Troll, are you going to write to a liberal website and ask the same question in regards to Beck or Palin being killed?
Wait. Don't bother. I already know.
Seems like your loosing some logic there.
Let me put it simply here to you, Beck, all he has done is release and unvail documented evidence about the Tides Foundation and has used actual writings and video of Piven. In short, he is just exposing them for what they really are, and the left has no way to defend against it, since it is their own words.
As for the shooting your comparing this to, the last shooter had no interest in network news or talk radio. So, saying another crazed Beck fan is just stupid. Besides, why should Beck or anyone else tone down, as his speech or anyone elses hasnt caused anyone harm.
Can she produce all of those 'death threats' being made against her…the poor little old crone? The left is finding out that in this day of audio/video and books written by everyone under God's sunshine, whatEVER you say can and will be used against you in the right setting. Crow doesn't taste good when you're the one that's got to eat it. She's a racist traitor to this country, nothing less. Now that she's being confronted using her own words against her, she's a frail widow-woman. Bullsh*t. This woman is as dangerous now as she was 45 years ago.
They rot from the inside out. This article should've come with warning label of graphic images
"Some people just want to WATCH THE WORLD BURN".
And that's who the Left uses in order to burn the world, and then remake it in the image they want – totalitarianism.
From what I have read about Che Gueverra (sp?), he fits that description pretty well.
The sick thing is, the leftist media is just drooling for a murder of one of their own by a stereotype "conservative". (not one of their own media people, but one of their own leftist kind; some well-know politician or other famous leftist-type; thet would all act so sad and disgusted about it in public, but behind the scenes, there would be big celebrations, not when gathered together, but in their pitiful leftist minds when they are by themselves somewhere)
"If she's killed, Beck's going to prison."
I'm pretty sure that exposing liberals for the un-American moonbats that they are isn't a crime…yet. Keep fantasizing, though.
I for one, will react the same way you would react if Ann Coulter is killed.
So SHE is the exception to the rule–with age comes wisdom.
Noooooo – #27
They even passed laws to prevent connecting the dots. Libs hate being reminded of that.
Well its a travesty to call it a threat. They were misused words randomly tossed together in a haphazard fashion. If they were interrupted incorrectly or something was read into them that is her poor judgement. To use a leftist tactic against her.
It is also interesting to note that Pivens interjects her opinion into the phenomenon of the Tea-Party with the old standard trope of the fear of change. The Tea Party is fearful because of their opposition to all of the forces of totalitarianism, societal disintegration and disunity. The Left always confuses principled opposition with fear because the Left is consumed with fear and bitterness but see it everywhere in their enemies.
"a liberal nonprofit group, the Center for Constitutional Rights"
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Nearly EVERYONE got killed at the Tides Foundation??? I must have missed that story.
Ms Piven in speaking about her and her deceased husband's radical plan to dismantle and then rebuild America as a Socialist state once said, "We've got Obama, and that's not bad." Elitist fool! We the People and the United States of America are greater than Obama and her insipid plan to overthrow the government. She should be making her speeches from prison. Advocating or suggesting violence to overthrow the government is insurrection and a punishable offense.
FFP doesn't look/sound too strong, and she is 78. Despite this, Glen Beck will be accused of murder when she bites it…
I was thinking the same thing.
Message is Clear:
If bitter old marxists like Piven can spout that kind of hatred, and calls for violent action, just think what the marxist Young Turks must be willing to do.
The gunman, Byron Williams, was on his way to the Tides Foundation office and an ACLU chapter last summer. Luckily he was captured en route after a shootout with California lawmen, or we would have had another Tuscon massacre.
The reason you didn't hear about it is because the gunman, who considered Beck his guru, failed to carry out his evil plan. Here's a link:
http://www.ktvu.com/news/24327003/detail.html
You know what, the Left has become so unhinged that when the shooting happened and I heard about how the Left was already blaming the Right within 2 hours of the shooting, my tinfoil hat began spinning:
It was planned. They picked Giffords because she was moderate and likable and they got this kid to do it so they could blame the Right and silence us.
My tinfoil hat is quiet now, but I think this speaks less about me than it does about them – everytime there is a shooting, they go into full-unhinged mode and start blaming everybody but the shooter. It's hard not to believe they are drooling for a murder as you said.
I really think someone needs to do a fatwa dance on your fricking head, you truly are a POS and a camel humping commie to boot.
Did they dig that POS out of a grave for that photo or is that from all the good living the obama gang bangers have ?
I hate to tell you not many of us follow Beck as he is a bible thumping nut but most of what he produces on his show is right on as to the commie muslim nazis cowards that need to be aborted.
Screw you on what anyone says using freedom of speech and you will not dictate what American think about the low life MF'ers like you believe
I bet 99.9 percent of you had even heard of Piven before Beck pulled her from obscurity and turned thousands against her with his inciteful rhetoric. Obviously her 45-year-old theories and beliefs have only been shared by a small audience and have not led to any changes in society. So what harm has she really done?
Thoughts and ideas aren't a crime – yet. This isn't "1984," Beck. Your fatwa is putting this woman's life in danger and is endangering your freedom, Beck.
Given the opportunity Ms. Piven would let half the country starve as long as the other eats, just like Mao did…
I guess you havent done any research on the matter, and doing what the media is doing and just blaming Beck but not the information.
The Cloward-Piven stratagy is based around overstimulating the system, causing riots, and the collaspe of everything and then form it up into a socialistic system. Everything Beck has exposed is her own words on the matter, and he has brought forth books and history explaining such.
Think about it this way, even Beck didnt even know about Piven until he looked deeper into the socialist/progressive agenda. This stuff isnt hard to take in or understand, we just have to stop it before everything goes to hell. We dont need to stop Piven, but we can stop the politicians from pulling this agenda off.
Make Piven sign a statement condemning all political violence – if she doesn't sign (she won't) she should get canned – no more taxpayer funded domestic hate-teachers. Time to strom the Universities with the torchlight of Liberty and kick all Commies out!
Yet, you have no proof that Beck actually led him or instructed him to go on a shooting spree. There isn't even a mention of Beck or talk radio in the article. Let me guess though, Media Matters told you he was a Beck fan, right??
Obviously don't pay attention do you. The Tides Foundation is all over the place. And clearly you don't watch Beck. And his "rants" didn't almost get anyone killed. Gotta news flash for you you lidtarded jackhole, "people" are responsible for their on actions.
And as far as Beck toning it down? What about Ed Schultz saying he'd like to ripe Dick Chenny's heart out and kick it around like a football huh? That's only one of the violent,venomous thing spewing from his cake hole. Why don't you tell HIM to tone it down? You need to change your screen name. Soothsayers were wise, but you're clearly an idiot.
Again, the left is trying to seize the commentary and switch it to what they feel best represents their agenda. Do they have proof that Piven is getting death threats? It is quite possible they do have the proof. But shouldn't they also talk about the death threats that Beck and O'Rielly receive? These guys don't go around with body guards because it stokes their ego. But you never see it mentioned in the press. Very curious, don't you think?
Time to roll over Frances.
This poor, little ol' widow is getting back some of the rubbish she's been peddling for years.
Harmless, aging, academic…nope!
Love it when people like FFP are indicted by their own stupid remarks that (fortunately) are available for all of us to hear and read.
No palusible deniability is availabe for her.
TS, (Tough Situation) Frances!
"even though it's many years after the fact". Really? How many years ago did she comment on this years riots in Greece?
She is calling for violence RIGHT NOW, and should lose her job and possibly her freedom for incitement to riot.
Take away her tenure and pension, and let her go riot in the streets. Like all socialists and communist followers, she is ready to send others to riot and get their head busted…why isn't she out putting herself in the police CROSSHAIRS?
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On any given day, such violence against police officers would be disturbing. But the fatalities capped a particularly violent 24 hours in the United States for the men and women in blue. Eleven police officers were shot.
“It is a very disturbing trend for all of us,” said Hal Johnson, general counsel for the Florida Police Benevolent Association. “Florida has never seen a streak like this. I don’t think anybody has.”
It is natural to search for answers, Johnson said, even if there aren’t any. The shootings do not appear to be related, and the motives may never be known. Declaring it to be open season against police officers seems dangerously simplistic, he added.
He sees the shootings more as acts of desperation.
“They are shooting at people they know have guns,” Johnson said. “I don’t know what’s going on out there, but I’ve never seen it like this. I do see the developing of a callousness. It’s almost as if shooting a police officer has lost its shock effect.”
Consider:
– On Sunday, four officers were shot in a Detroit police station by a man who walked in, firing randomly. Lamar Deshea Moore was shot to death by police so his motive may never be known, but local reports say a relative was awaiting sentencing for double murder. Two of the police officers remain hospitalized. For more, read CNN’s update and affiliate reports from the scene: WXYZ-TV and WDIV-TV.
– Two deputies were shot outside a Walmart in Port Orchard, Washington, near Seattle, on Sunday. Check out CNN, KIRO-TV and KOMO-TV for the latest updates.
– A police officer is in a coma and in critical condition after being shot during a traffic stop early Sunday in Indianapolis. Check out WTHR-TV and WISH-TV for updates.
– In Lincoln City, Oregon, a police officer was shot Sunday night during a traffic stop. The officer is in critical condition. Check out affiliate KOIN-TV for more information.
Although they do not appear to be related, the weekend shootings follow two other violent incidents last week involving police officers, including the Miami killings and a slaying in Lakewood, New Jersey.
AND…..srhoades succinctly describes every single troll's response to any article posted on this site…
In 2, simple, yet accurate words. (if Nuh uh actually count as words)
Bravo!
Old widowed college professor my butt. Good thing we know this will go nowhere.
The NYT even publishing this tripe is showing their desperation because they are losing the argument on the lefts way of thinking.
Piven was an idiot back in the 70s and 80s. I remember her back on Milton Friedman's old show, Free To Choose on PBS. I hated her and thought she was somehow retarded. It just shows, that all the wrong people are dying when you see that dried up old hag alive and out there still trying to push failed policies.
I hope the Mother of ACORN just shuts up and fades away.
PopMedia always drags out qualifiers like 'grandmother' or 'widow' when it wants to obscure the news-relevant reality.
She's a freak that's dropped one too many hits of acid.
Right now Cenk Ugar has Franes Fox Piven on and now the new narrative is that Glen Beck is a Anti -semite, these people are unforgivable.
Even old and ugly rattlesnakes can still bite you with the same expected result. The great tragedy here is the fact that she hasn't repudiated any Communist/Socialist ideologies whatsoever. Learning is an evolution, a perpetual process of enlightenment – she is evidently a glaring exception to what should apply to anyone in academia. I wonder if she believes that a hammer and sickle are still effective and efficient tools for crop gathering? She claims destroying our culture and economy will be of some value to poor people but I have observed that people are usually poor due to factors other than oppressive government. My favorites are no brains, no education, no gumption or simply by circumstances where they are physically or mentally disabled and unable to earn for themselves. The old haybag has outlived her usefulness, if she ever had any.
Call it what it is….Piven fantasizes about the 'revolution' as if she's a member of the Bolsheviks but would never have the courage to get off of her fat Jew a$$ because the money is much better sitting back, appearing to be the thoughtful intellectual, smoking cigarettes, drinking wine and writing books that complain about the bourgeois when in fact all she had to raise a mirror to her ugly hooked nose face to recognize that she's not only insane, she's part of the very thing she finds repulsive.
Yes, I agree Ron, My question is, why at 78 years old hasn't she stepped aside and made room for
some younger folks who might be talented enough to instruct on the college level?
Why do these old commie subversives want to hang on forever? And who allows them to?
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I'm interested. Do you not agree with her theories, be they 45 years ago or 2? You're not arguing against them so I assume you do. It appears you're deflecting. Congrats.
I would like to be on her death panel when the time comes.
I guess we'll be hearing Obama trot out that old worn phrase, "That isn't the (insert name here) I knew."
My occupation puts me in contact with remarkably diverse groups. I watch carefully, listen carefully and say little to indicate my own feelings/leanings. It gives me a chance to gain perspective.
What I find encouraging in all this BS is this:
Damn few people seem to be willing to follow the old socialist/marxists into oblivion (their just fate). Aside from the union thugs and the liberal academia/elites, their movement seems to be gaining little if any traction. The "proletariat"
is not buying (fior the most part).
Don't get me wrong–I am a heartfelt believer in the idea that underestimating your opponent is the WORST mistake you can make–but the the more I see in real life, the more convinced I'm becoming that we are winning.
Even a significant part (but not a majority) of those that Piven and her ilk are trying to rouse into a "fighting rabble" seem to be realizing that the results of the collapse of the system will result in only a small group of privileged elites and a vast underclass in even worse straits than those in which they currently find themselves.
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