Yesterday on my radio show I discussed the topic of the Marines videotaping themselves urinating on dead Taliban fighters. The usual mob of progressive haters started campaigning on Twitter and complaining to CNN.
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The first source of “outrage” was “Nicole Gennette,” a liberal sockpuppet on Twitter who has adopted the name of one of Anthony Weiner’s alleged love interests–and who is likely a man anyway. Yet Mediaite dutifully quoted him/her.
Politico this morning attempted to elevate the trumped-up controversy over my remarks to a serious journalistic story, and didn’t bother reaching out to me for comment prior to publishing. It’s the kind of hit job Politico does best–and likely payback for all the times their journalistic malpractice has been pointed out here.
There is a difference in advocating for the Marines to break the law, which I didn’t do, and defending them from overly-dramatic hysteria. I was using absurdity to highlight absurdity. It’s absurd to desecrate corpses but it’s not wrong to hate terrorists who are trying to kill our troops–and us. And I’m not in uniform–so I am free to express what a lot of Americans feel about the controversy, even if it makes some pony-tailed academics feel uncomfortable.
The progressive left chose to include CNN in their attack because they don’t like that the network–any network–features conservative voices and have been throwing everything at the wall to get me removed since the very beginning.
My entire point of the past two days was to highlight the absurd reaction from militant troop-bashers to these Marines. In my Twitter timeline yesterday progressives called our military “killers, kids, barbaric trash, murderers …” The only time soldiers are celebrated by the left is when they engage in protests like OWS. The rest of the time they’re demonized. They get the red carpet rolled out for them, too.
And let’s not forget how lefty bloggers like Markos Moulitsas feels about dead American military contractors. His excuse for his “screw them” comment? He was angry about soldiers getting killed. You know what? So am I. But I blame the people who are trying to kill them–not the people they are trying to protect. And I won’t condemn American soldiers on the battlefield.
This is nothing but an exercise in situational, exploitative outrage, and it completely proved the point I was making. The phrases “defile” and “desecration” popped up in my replies on Twitter every minute or so. If “desecration” is a concern for progressives, where was their outrage when the remains of over 200 Air Force members were dumped in a landfill? I’ve seen more outrage towards our troops over this incident than I have ever seen towards the Taliban themselves who’ve beheaded soldiers (American and Afghan), raped and tortured women, sent out suicide bombers, and carried out horrific attacks.
The disproportionate anger on the part of progressives is fueled by their dislike of our military. That what this proves. The left is attacking me so they can give the Obama administration a pass–unlike what they did with Bush and Abu Ghraib. Like it or not, I’ll stand up for our troops no matter which president is in charge.
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While not endorsing this behavior, I'll get exercised about it when, as Dana said, the critics get equally excited about the Taliban cutting the heads off LIVE people.
FoxNews dutifully trotted out jerry Rivers, AKA geraldo Rivera this morning to join the group on the couch as they ritually expressed their incredulity, disgust and general shock at Urine-gate.
No one said, let's see what happens. No one said maybe it's ginned-up. They just pronounced sentence with a minority liberal present to give the appearance of broad consensus and patted themselves for being awesome human beings with correct feelings.
FoxNews has stopped being a good source of info and has become only the least bad of the news outlets on cable.
I think the real lesson here is… Don't piss off the Marines!
Right? There wasn't this much outrage over bodies dragged through Mogadishu, burned, dismembered and hung from Baghdad bridges or decapitated while alive.
I saw a tweet earlier today, said something like: Progressives can crap on cop cars, pee on the American flag, but get outraged when Soldiers pee on dead Taliban…
Leftists have suddenly realized that they need to control the focus very carefully on this story because it's takes literally no time at all for someone to find online all their vile blather blaming Bush for the incidents at Abu Ghraib. All you'd need do is take their exact words, substitute Obama for Bush and Afghanistan for Abu Ghraib and you could immediately paint them into a corner. If Bush and Cheney were responsible for Abu Ghraib then Obama and Clinton are responsible for this. Don't expect ANYBODY in the MSM to notice this hypocrisy though.
If pissing on the enemy was good enough for Gen. George Patton in WWII, it's good enough for me.
God bless the Marines!
Wake me when they piss on the corpse of a baby or when they cut out the liver of the dead and eat it warm.
THAT would be horrific behavior.
Pissing on the corpses of Taliban scumbags, who shove little girls back into burning schoolhouses for being insufficiently covered, is maybe uncalled for but not something to get outraged about.
The Marines will subject them to whatever disciplinary measures they've set up and that's that.
"…even if it makes some pony-tailed academics feel uncomfortable." – Dana Loesch
….The more "uncomfortable" we make the Marxists, the safer and freer we make America ……
If the video is real, pissing on corpses and posting it on Youtube is high idiocy. If they just pissed on the corpses and left it at that no one would know or care. Why were they overcome by the need to preserve their actions for posterity, prosecuters and terrorist recruiters?
I can't remember what it's called – but soldiers, rescue workers, etc. dehumanize their victims in order to deal with the horrors they are engaged in. Firefighters will make jokes at airplane crash sites. Soldiers dehumanize their enemy in order to deal with the idea of killing them (the sniper who knocked out Ventura was discussing this the other day).
They are trained to kill, and they deal with it in different ways. How can people expect them to do their (horrific) jobs, and not disassociate from reality a bit?
Would these men do this on the street in New York? War is hell. We don't even know what the situation was leading up to this gun fight.
I agree with this tweet: The American media shouldn't be acting as Public Relations Department for the Taliban.
https://twitter.com/#!/adamsbaldwin/status/157618…
Many of these soldiers could be dealing with PTSD, for all we know. They are young men, and under orders, just killed a bunch of people. They have to dehumanize them, for their own sanity. And if peeing on murderous Talibani helps them deal, so they can come home and heal, then pee away.
In any given situation, the left will always side with the enemy against our troops. There are no exceptions to the rule.
If they began a chain of buttons from dead foreignors in Afghanistan who martyr themselves in attempts at combat, the same people, who think danger is sipping their latte assoon as it is placed on the counter would be equally outraged. Besides, whereis the outrage at the Comander and Chief who has them there to work? Any other stressful work enviroment would be shut down by the government, or encourage copeing strategies, such as nonviolent expression of how one feels towards a stressor.
I don't endorse what the Marines did but I think it has been way over-hyped. I have never served in a combat situation nor in the military so I can't relate to what goes through their minds. Let the military discipline these marines and the Leftist meida and media wannabes (i.e. Eric Boehlert) should STFU.
So is all this Obama's fault since he was the Commander-in-Chief at the time? Where is the condemnation from the Left?
There was. The footage of the corpses being desecrated (and the fact that many locals were celebrating) killed America's desire to help the Somalis and greatly decreased Western appetite for military intervention in Africa (something the Tutsis soon took advantage of in Rwanda).
I'm a Marine veteran and am disgusted and saddened by the behavior of the Marines in this scandal. It's this kind of behavior that negatively affects perceptions of Americans and can only serve to place more of our service members in danger. You should be ashamed of yourself for advocating this same behavior.
Furthermore, your own defense is illogical. You rightly claim it was absurd to desecrate the corpses, yet you state you would have done it yourself and give the Marines a "million cool points for doing so." You, Ms. Loesch, are absurd.
Additionally, you appear to state that anyone condemning this act is anti-military. But even the Commandant of the Marine Corps condemns it. By your line of thinking, even he is anti-military. That's ridiculous.
The rest of your article utilizes logical fallacy. When defending this issue, speak to the issue. Instead, you create straw-man arguments to deflect responsibility. For example, what you say is acceptable because some may not have properly condemned the improper burials of 200 Air Force servicemen? Wrong! Any desecration is shameful.
Just as the Marines involved in this scandal are a disgrace, so are you.
(Ignore the down dings…scars from fun times at Wankette) Joanie Walsh at Saloon.com is all, like, mad and stuff at Dana. Hmmm…check out Zombietime and look at the pics from Folsom St. Fair (*WARNING* VERY VOMIT- INDUCING AND DEFINITELY NSFW) in SF, which is where Joanie huffs and puffs from. Why isn't Joanie, like, all mad and stuff about what those guys are doing to Toilet Pig?…in public, and with city of SF okay
My grandfather was Air Force. I tried to join, but have a hearing disability, and was disqualified.. That being said, I'm also a PROUD member of the libertarian wing of the republican party, and think we should get all these guys back home, yesterday.
HOWEVER. This -is- a warzone. I do NOT condone the behavior of our Marines who did this, and think it was awful… I do, however, understand why they felt they should do it. Yes. it was wrong, because we are supposed to behave better than that.
I will, however, not support dragging these men over the coals because of this small mistake in judgement. It was a war zone, they'd just been shot at by these people.. Give those Marines a scolding, say "dont do it again" and let them get back to work!!
I never like pissing on them before we cut off their ears and put a pork chop in their mouth.
…So what do you think of Gen Pershing ending the Muslim insurgency in the Philipines in 1911 by the expedient of having insurgents shot and buried soaked in pig's blood…..
To progressives, it is ok to piss on Christ, Poo on cop cars, rape women at political events, cut off the heads of our own reporters and soldiers, drag our dead soldiers' bodies through the streets, hang them from bridges….But, for our soldiers to relieve their stress and water on the dead bodies of the enemy, well, that's just plain sacrilegious!
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Progressotards still make me throw up in my mouth, but I still listen to their pointless drivel only because it will make "Payback" that much easier. The best part of Payback is the "Golden Shower" for the finish!
First, Snopes states that this claim is undetermined to be true. Ref: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp
Second, how would you feel if it were your beloved that was desecrated? To put it lightly, you wouldn't be too pleased and you'd be incensed with the provocateurs. If such an act incenses your enemy, how could it put an end to insurgency? Simply, it can't.
So no, I categorically disapprove of all desecration and violations of the Geneva Convention. If you must fight, fight according to international law.
I have enormous respect for the men and women who serve our country in all branches of the armed forces. I am troubled by the behavior of just these Marines in this instance. Like I was troubled by Abu Graib.
The point is that for us as a nation to hold the world to a higher standard we mustn't ever embrace the childish view "Well look how bad THEY are! We can do whatever WE want to then!" That argument is immature and beneath us as a culture.
We have to "be the better person" or we can't influence allies and enemies alike at the negotiation table when it comes time to avoid armed conflict and thereby keep our most precious resource, our young men and women who are our future, out of harm's way.
This behavior and pundits support of it only increases the likelihood of continued conflict.
For all of LTC West's faults, you have to give the man credit when its due. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-ma...
ooaaahhhhhh!!!
I have an awesome gun that I would like to give to "Jerry", but I think he should get the bullets first.
total ly ignorant and ridiculous
You seem to miss the point of pointing out the issue with the Air Force servicemen. The outrage on the Left is selective. They aren't interested in the issue, they're interested in scoring political points.
You've built a straw man yourself, when you say, "you appear to state that anyone condemning this act is anti-military." She doesn't say this. She doesn't even approve herself of the behavior. She's pointing out the hypocrisy and double-standards of some on the left who are using this issue to score political points. They want us to believe that they're concerned about desecration when they aren't. They're looking for an excuse to criticize the Marines. In this case, there certainly is something to criticize–but the issue is how much criticism.
You're not interested in logic, or actually using any. You read into the article what you wanted to see, to confirm your own political bias. In short, making Dana's point all over again.
I saw that as well….
……Oh, it's true alright…..
….Irregular warfare has always been part and parcel of the hell of war…..and you know it….
….What rules would YOU follow to protect your loved ones from an attack ?….Anything goes, right ?……
The Left needs to take the time to try to "understand" the Marines, like they love to do to our enemies.
Give those Marines the benefit of the doubt, like they so willingly give to our enemies.
totally ignorant and ridiculous
Alright then, provide an example where the left sided with the troops. I'm not talking about deserters or fraggers, either.
…A fine description of Liberals…..
They're already cutting the heads off people, including those who aren't even military. How much more incensed will this make them? Not at all. That's an excuse, not an argument.
Making this sound like the end of the world is tiresome. It was wrong, but it's nowhere near the big deal that some people want to make it. And they're doing so for transparently political reasons–which was the whole point of this article that you still seem unable to grasp.
fox "news" has NEVER been a good source of information!! They are a great source of DISINFORMATION.
BS
As I've already commented on other sites about this report, I'd submit that these fine warriors are using a field expedient method to clean the faces of these dead enemy fighters for photo ID in order to track wanted enemy.
After action enemy dead frequently are covered in blood, vomit, dirt, mud, excrement, their own urine, gray matter and other tissues and debris that obscure proper identification. Using your own water is foolish. And returning later may make ID impossible due to dogs and other animals feeding on the bodies or they may have been collected, in some cases, by loved ones to be 'in turd.'
We don't have a video of that . I have empathy for the Marines , but we just can NOT have our soldiers acting like that. It's an awesome propaganda tool for the terrorists.
He's their token moron….
Latest poll I saw said that 80% of Americans view this as the sort of thing that happens during war. It's just the hand wringing metrosexual regressives that have big issues.
Notice the left never shows outrage when the Jihadists drag our soldiers bodies around the streets with horses.
Some other poster, can't remember who, made this excellent point yesterday.
When this sort of thing happened under Bush, the press blamed Bush.
Why isn't this, then, Obamugabe's fault?
The parrot is only interested in spamming inane comments with its brand new account.
Hm. Are the trolls worth bothering to track so we can guess which one is using this particular ID login to spew?
Why are leftists concerned that Muslims are going to be offended?
CAIR said that terrorism is against Islam. The Taliban support terrorists and thus have turned against Islam and are heretics according to their own religion. According to Islam, they are to be executed and treated like unbelievers.
Oh wait, CAIR was LYING? (Taquiya) or are leftists lying?
Most likely yes to both.
The bodies were not desecrated. They were defiled, made unclean.
Desecration is when heads are cut off like the Taliban have been known to do…sometimes even before the person is dead. Um, immediately before, that is.
I still think this is a lazy argument. We're not saying that because the Taliban are so bad, we can be bad. What we're pointing out is that all the outrage on this one issue dwarfs the outrage we see raised against Taliban abuses. There is absolutely no perspective at all. These were a few soldiers who misbehaved. In the grand scheme of things, this *changes nothing.* The Taliban were already beheading people and recording it long before US soldiers pissed on a few dead terrorists.
The idea that this is going to make things worse is ridiculous, and so is the idea that somehow behaving according to the Geneva convention is somehow going to influence our enemies. Some people very clearly have no idea what is driving this conflict. It's not pissing on dead soldiers. People who slit the throats of journalists, abuse their women and children psychologically and sexually, are not going to suddenly change their minds because we killed them according to the law. It's amazing that after ten years of conflict we're still having these childish arguments over things like this. It was wrong what the soldiers did. And it never occurs to people that maybe something is wrong with a civilization when we worry that an incident of desecration is going to drive thousands of people to murder? That is the sort of disequilibrium that this article was trying to point out.
It's still flying over people's heads. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
One need not be a liberal or a Democrat to be disgusted by this piggish behavior. How many of you people who are supporting this are veterans, like I am? Dana, if you really wish that you could join these Marines, may I point out that you are 33, healthy, fit, and educated. The USMC would love you! Enlist…here's a link: https://www.marines.com/rmi
This goes for the rest of you pro-pissing chickenhawk Internet tough guys. .
Taliban, behead and dismember. Marines Pi$$ed on them.
You choose.
Chickafication of America.
War Zone.
Congressman Allen West view:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
They want us to believe that they're concerned about desecration when they aren't. They're looking for an excuse to criticize the Marines.
Exactly. Plus using this to excuse the Taliban et al for whatever they do, because the awful Marines unprofessional act "provoked" them. Nevermind that the Taliban et al will commit atrocity after atrocity without any act on our part to point at…
So. Did it hurt the Talbani? Uh no, they were already dead an- so they believe – on their way to Paradise. Did it make the Marines feel better? Probably? As someone noted – Churchill I believe – there is nothing like being shot at, and have them miss. Raises the tension level though. Actually if this incident bothers you, you really shouldn't read about the war in the Pacific. BOTH sides reached a level of brutality it's hard to believe today.
This argument was tired back in 2003. If you can't defend the military without having served, why should someone be able to criticize them without having served? Most people grew out of this sort of argument back in middle school.
Good. Hope someone does that. Nails them good.
"totally ignorant and ridiculous"
That would describe every comment I've read by you so far. Would you care to elaborate on why you feel MLCross's assertion is incorrect, let alone "totally ignorant and ridiculous"? Personally, I don't think you're capable; and your disagreement with the statement doesn't make it so. I believe your real problem with ML's post is you simply don't like the truth of the situation being pointed out. Or perhaps your problem is that you don't actually understand the meanings of words such as "ignorant," "ridiculous," "logical," and "truth." You should probably change your screen name to something more like "CLUELESS_IMBECILE."
Because, Erik, in this case many people who find this behavior on the part of our servicemen and women acceptable did not serve. Had they done so, they would understand just how unprofessional it is. Following 9/11, enlisting in the military was the one thing that virtually any 18 to 35 year old, reasonable fit American with a high school diploma could have done and yet the number of these folks who claimed to "support the troops" who did not enlist was disgusting.
You're asking me a philosophical question that has nothing to do with this issue. This issue involves a few of my fellow Marines desecrating the enemy contrary to the Geneva Conventions. It involves Ms. Loesch congratulating the Marines for doing so and suggesting that she would do the same. The Marine Commandant knows its wrong and so do I.
I don't see how them urinating on the insurgents helps us. Do you honestly believe it?
Were you just as disgusted by the stories of 1/9 taking "trophies" in Viet Nam?
It is piggish behavior. But the over-reaction to it is way past ridiculous. And it's more than a little embarrassing to see our officials getting down on their knees to apologize and promise investigations and punishments to the same thugs who would have been more than happy to have sawed off these Marines' heads and then uploaded it to YouTube.
A little pissin' on the Taliban? In the scheme of things, no big frickin' deal.
….I know how Leftists, and you, are Aiding the Enemy with this trumped-up "Outrage"……
….You create Taliban propaganda to score political points at home – how very evil and abhorrent….
Semper Fi, Marines!
The lesson here is that it is better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Heh, I'm aiding the enemy by calling this disgraceful? If true, so is the Marine Commandant. Therefore, you're ridiculous.
I think the Marines have the right idea, need to work a bit more on execution. Burying Moro rebels with pig carcasses worked for Pershing in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War..
"I drove to the Rhine River and went across on the pontoon bridge. I stopped in the middle to take a piss and then picked up some dirt on the far side in emulation of William the Conqueror."
~General George S. Patton~
1945
…The Commandant is responding to the political pressure – what's your excuse ?….
Whoever L_T is they aren't very creative or thoughtful; but they sure are predictable. That's at least the third or forth straight post containing the exact same four words. Pretty lame. As a matter of fact, when I got to eukodol's comment and saw that there were several replies, I said to myself, "I bet one of those is that bozo LOGICAL_TRUTH posting 'totally ignorant and ridiculous' again". And sure enough, there it is. What's really pathetic is that, even after repeatedly posting that same goofy line, he still manages to mangle the word "totally" (take another look).
Admit it… you're just cutting-and-pasting as a reflexive action and not actually putting any thought into it much less any effort to discuss the subject.
But I don't want to distract you… I'm sure you've got tens of thousands of pointless posts to make all over web sites that include comments from anyone who is to the right of Mao and Che.
You're calling a proud patriot and Marine veteran evil and abhorrent for simply objecting to men urinating on insurgents? How hyperbolic, disrespectful, and unpatriotic of you. I refuse to speak further with you. Good day, sir.
I accept your surrender.
Respectfully,
Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired)
This is what happens when you send the military overseas on nation building missions and use them as a "Meals on Wheels" program. If congress had followed the Constitution and declared war the mission would be clearly defined with victory as the goal without having to worry about what the political implications of our actions are towards the enemy. With PDS running rampant on the Bigs the elephant in the room will be ignored, well we know Ron Paul is right, but….. Instead we will see nothing but finger pointing by both sides maneuvering for political position rather than admit they both had it wrong. Let the Paul hatred begin 1,2,3………..
Dana Loesch, instead of applauding these warriors for doing what they did, which regretfully, dehumanization of your target is a necessary byproduct of being trained to be an effective warrior, we should be focusing on the other atrocities that you mention in passing as part of your justification for applauding them?!?! Quit defending your actions or your lack of thought before you spoke and just take your lumps for saying something dumb and thoughtless.
Hopefully there are still some people in the world that realize that there are two sides to every story, all human life is precious and the loss of any life is tragic.
It is never idea to reveal that you have trained your troops to devalue life to the point that urinating on a dead body would be a good idea, let alone photographing it. But there are costs when you send boys & girls to the military and into war. We should be worried about how to help these men and women cope and rehabilitate once they leave the military and want to rejoin civilian society, not how to punish them for doing what we have trained them to do now.
What you should be doing as a responsible reporter is bringing to light the very atrocities you banter about as things that people who are condemning you SHOULD be talking about. Instead of using those things to try to take the spotlight off of yourself I have a suggestion, try being better than other reporters. Don't dignify these things that are sad truths about the war by lauding them as heroic. Raise awareness about the undignified means the US Airforce used land fills as mass graves for our heroes. Cry loudly in outrage when terrorists take innocent lives.
Maybe then you would gain more respect and less haters. Just a thought from an old lady, take it from me looks will fade but your true character will be with you forever. Try to be the best you as possible your entire life.
This act will contribute to fundamental propaganda which will fuel more insurgency So not only is desecrating the enemy morally wrong, it will put American servicemen at further risk. I can't see any good that can come from this. Can you, honestly?
And anyone saying that this is the end of the world is only doing so for political reasons. I really don't care whether they're Republicans or Democrats. Both have their own agendas, for better or worse.
Is it just me, or in reading innov8ion's comments, does he come across more like a prissy liberal weenie than a Marine?
war is hell, pull em out.
Much ado about nothing.
Get a coronor's report on anyone killed over there with the body left unguarded for a few minutes.
Cant we all just agree that Dana Loesch is just a clown performing on stage with a very big microphone? Even though everyone can hear her just remember she is still just a clown.
Danny Pearl was unavailable for comment.
Bada-boom, Juan! There's way too much logic in your response for Helen to comprehend!
….Sadly, he is a Useful Idiot for the Marxists……
Absolutely. The stupidity was videoing the thing.
I was going to respond that the only word you understand in your comment is "and", Helen but, then realized I might as well be talking to a fish.
Arrrgh.
Must…….not………post…………………
George Patton urinated into the Rhine River.
/pendantic history buff pain in the butt.
Dana said it was wrong yet approved of the behavior as she congratulated the Marines for desecrating the bodies and suggested she'd do the same. Therefore, if anyone is the hypocrite, it's Dana.
I remember reading about our own government desecrating our servicemen's bodies from the MSM and was ashamed. In both cases, the MSM reported it fairly. Any claim of selective concern appears disingenuous and driven by political agenda.
Of course, this has nothing to do with Dana claiming it's cool to desecrate insurgents and that she'd do it herself. That's what this entire article is about, right?
Good call, ML! Not that anyone in the LSM has the intelligence to point out their own hypocrisy!
I didn't say any good will come from it, but I don't see it making things worse either. They don't need any other propaganda–they believe what they want either way.
*You* seem to be acting like this is the end of the world. Do you have an agenda? Silly. We all have our agendas. Some of us are just up front about them and others aren't. Again, that's what this article was about.
I consider it a compliment when the person I'm discussing with resorts to ad hominem attack. It means they aren't able to rebut the argument and instead resort to attacking my character.
You don't know me, Juan. And if you did, you likely wouldn't be so rude.
Yes. And anyone who says "Good day, sir." can't be taken very seriously. I've never heard anyone over twenty talk like that.
Tell that to the Twin Tower Families.
Tell that to the Pentagon Families.
Tell that to the Cole Families.
Tell that to the embassies in the East African capitals of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya Families.
Tell that to your family if they happen to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
Stop being a clown.
Were the Marines right to piss on guys who were, moments before, trying to kill them? Yes.
Too bad Youtube culture infects the military too. That's where they went wrong.
I wonder. Would you be so good as to provide:
1. MOS
2. Term of Service
3. MCRD inducted.
4. Unit(s) of Assignment
Thanks.
Yes, you are.
In other words, you can't actually justify the rhetorical distinction, you can only reassert it. From your perspective, the only ones who can argue in favor of the war should have joined the military. And to defend the war and not join is "disgusting." But it is not disgusting to oppose the war and not serve. If the only way to "understand how unprofessional it is" is to serve, then all the grousing about the pissing by those who did not serve is also "disgusting." But apparently you don't think so. You can't have it both ways.
This argument makes no logical sense. Everyone's opinions about this issue are valid, irrespective of service. Calling people "chickenhawks" is the rhetorical equivalent of putting your fingers in your ear and screaming "NAH NAH NAH! I CAN"T HEAR YOU!!" Juvenile and pointless.
I'll humor you as you appear to be a fellow brother, although I wouldn't be surprised if my responses were somehow used to attack me. Keep in mind that I'm just a Marine vet that doesn't approve of urinating on the enemy. I don't have any agenda (republican, democrat, marxist, whatever) but that.
1. 1142
2. 94-98
3. MCRD San Diego
4. 1st SRIG, 3rd FSSG
As I said yesterday, this is the Facebook generation. It's also the "sexting" generation. I'm kind of surprised there aren't more pictures.
Clearly you didn't read the article. No surprise there.
Conservatives are always holding themselves up as moral exemplars and castigating liberals for allegedly lacking core principles. So isn't it interesting that liberals can readily recognize what is evident to any normal person with sense of decency and common sense —the Marines were wrong to do what they did?
Rather than recognizing that and responding accordingly, Loesch made some crude comments that she insists on defending rather than doing what adults with a moral center do — admit a mistake and apologize for it. Fortunately for her, she's running a website where most of her readers are too dense and too much a part of an extremist political cult to recognize that this is anything other than a dispute between "evil" liberals and "persecuted" conservatives.
When you hit the term "chickenhawk" the discission is over, because the one using the term is merely saying "shut up."
And you MOS was……what?
That's exactly what this is.
I don't see how it's pertinent, but 'desecrate' and 'defile' are synonyms: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/desecrate. Whether we, the Taliban, or anyone else does it, it's wrong.
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