James Taranto in his “Best of the Web Today” column in The Wall Street Journal:
Shirley Sherrod says she plans to sue conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, the Associated Press reports from San Diego: “Speaking Thursday at the National Association of Black Journalists convention, Sherrod said she would definitely sue over the video that took her remarks out of context”:
Sherrod said she had not received an apology from Breitbart and no longer wanted one. “He had to know that he was targeting me,” she said.
Does she have a winning case? Probably not.

For one thing, the alleged defamation (or, to be precise, the defamation that she would allege if she filed suit) took place while she was a public official and involved claims about the performance of her public duties. Thus she would have to meet the rigorous standard, set forth by the Supreme Court in New York Times v. Sullivan (1964), of proving not only that Breitbart published a damaging falsehood about her but that he did so “with ‘actual malice’–that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.” Even if she proves that Breitbart published false and defamatory statements about her, he wins the case if he did so only negligently.
To put it in layman’s terms, she would have to demonstrate that the falsehood Breitbart published about her–the claim that the video showed “her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions”–was a lie, not just an error. But Breitbart issued a timely correction of this statement, creating a strong presumption against such an allegation. (As to video itself, Breitbart could almost certainly defend it as truthful.)
Blogger William Jacobson notes some other pitfalls for Sherrod of suing Breitbart–the most notable is that if the case went ahead, he would be able to use the discovery process to uncover new information about her and about his other adversaries whose conduct is relevant to the case, namely the NAACP and the Obama administration.
Of course, she hasn’t actually filed a lawsuit, and our guess is that a smart lawyer will advise her against it–and that if she does sue, she will end up settling in exchange for an apology or a more emphatic correction. Her threat to sue, in short, is largely an empty one, even if one can empathize with her feeling of having been wronged by Breitbart.
But one aspect of this story strikes us as passing strange: The venue in which she issued this threat was a convention of journalists. What’s more, someone who was there tells us that when she said she planned to sue, the audience applauded. Our source was careful to note that there were nonjournalists in the audience too (PR men and corporate sponsors). Still, we have to ask: What kind of journalist would applaud the threat of a defamation lawsuit?
Journalists have an institutional interest in maximizing the scope of First Amendment protections, and that means keeping it as hard as possible for plaintiffs to sue for defamation. Even meritless defamation suits against journalists and news organizations are a nuisance. Thus one would expect journalists to have a general antipathy to the idea of defamation lawsuits, even when sympathetic to a particular prospective plaintiff.
We have noted that Breitbart is not a traditional journalist, and it follows from this that he has no special claim on the sympathy of those who are. Our point, however, is that the interests of defamation plaintiffs run counter to those of journalists, regardless of whether the defendants are journalists or are doing journalism.
New York Times v. Sullivan is itself a case in point. Although the defendant was a newspaper, the published material at issue was not news but a political ad–an open letter from the Committee to Defend Martin Luther King and the Struggle for Freedom in the South, which criticized officials in Jim Crow-era Alabama for their treatment of civil rights demonstrators.
Journalists depend more on the First Amendment than just about anyone else, but we more than anyone should be cognizant that the protections we enjoy as we do our work apply to everyone, including civil rights advocates–and Andrew Breitbart.






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What kind of journalist applauds a defamation suit? Most likely the type of speech that runs counter to his or her point of view. The world of the objective journalist is over. Journalists no longer care to report the facts and let the people decide. They would rather not report certain facts while emphasizing others. I do not trust journalists anymore.
A journalist wouldn't applaud a defamation suit, but a "journolist" would.
Oh please sue! Please open you, your husband, the NAACP and the 'regime' up to discovery.
Note to self … buy more popcorn.
"Does she have a winning case? Probably not."
After the Fed vs. Arizona suit, I wouldn't be too sure.
It's not always about the "law" anymore, sometimes feelings trump all other considerations.
Poor little Shirley Charade.
I'm sure she's a good little wife and a racist like her husband. Really, is there any evidence she is over her racism?
Besides the wasted monies on every side, a suit with full discovery and exploration of the claims of what kind of upstanding citizen miss Charade is, and the NAACP's relationship with her, and the regime in Washington's scandalous handling of her racist self, might be interesting.
This old racist and her racist hubby (he's a real piece of work) ought to heed common sense and NOT think this will be another GOVERNMENT FUNDED PAYDAY. She walked into some "FREE MONEY" already, NO MORE.
FREE LUNCH is over Shirley.
She should be looking over BOTH SHOULDERS if she thinks she's going to drag the Obama White House into a discovery process that SHINES SUHSHINE on their hiring/firing processes or subject them to internal records/e-discovery (for electronically held information). This KGB of a misAdministration? HA. They're guarding more secrets than a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.
They will "VINCE FOSTER" her ass first. Boom. Muerta – history – and make it look "legit".
Thats the same line of thinking I used the other day about Obama talking all the time. I say bring it on and let the chips fall where they may. The more she opens her piehole the worse it gets for her, the administration, NAACP and anybody else involved.
She will sue, if her backers tell her too. This is not about malice this is about putting Andrew out of business. Her backers (people like George Soros at Media Matters) want to put a financial hurt on Andrew. Lawyers cost money and Andrew will have to pay for his. Discovery cost lots of money, Andrew will have to pay his own.
Ms Sherrod will NOT have to pay for lawyers or discovery, she has the NAACP and George Soros along with others to foot the bill. To my knowledge Andrew does not have a Billion dollar sugar daddy, although he does have some good friends to help him out.
This is the trick of the ruling class elitist to sue someone till the bills get too steep. Just like what happened to Sarah Palin in 6 months after running for VP the cost of lawyers alone cost her over 1/2 Million Dollars of her own money defending frivolous lawsuits just to shut her up with the intent to run her out of office. Has anyone won a law suit against Sarah Palin yet? No. But she still has legal bills and is no longer Governor.
What Kind of Journalist Would Cheer a Defamation Plaintiff?
The ones who want Andrew Breitbart out of business, so they can control the narrative.
As these "Journalist" and "Ruling Class Elitist" meet in the Tavern this weekend they will be asking amongst themselves "Is Ms Sherrod the one we want to USE to take Andrew down?"
What the hell does she have, Andrew Breitbart showed me saying I'm a racist on tape. Well here's the problem with your argument Shirley, on tape YOU ARE A RACIST !!!
The journalist applauded because they are soc/arx/comm's FIRST, and journalist second.
Plus they are like the extremist Muslims, if you convert they want to kill you. I'm sure they
are terribly envious of Andrew Breitbart's success, providing news and commentary to the
CONSERVATIE RIGHT.
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The journalists (I use the term loosely) in the room want to shut down anyone who doesn't follow the narrative. Any means necessary.
But, the fact is, she has NO case because the original article showed everything necessary. The text of the article put her comments in context and, in fact, made her out to be less of a race-merchant than she is. Chris Matthews admitted it for a couple of seconds, even Joan Walsh has now admitted that the original video is not a smear.
The one with the case could end up being Andrew Breitbart and I think that's why people like Anderson Cooper are walking back and "clarifying" as quickly as they can. They're so used to walking over conservatives they don't know what to do when they meet up with an actual bulldog of the right. Even Rush Limbaugh only uses their words against them on his show. With AB, they can't predict what's going to happen next. It'd be funny if I thought they'd learn something. But they won't. They'll just look for other people to smear.
Journalistas long ago became a democrat 5th column…For the Dim Party, and screw the People…:
As AB has said from the very beginning, "this is not about Shirley Sherrod, it's about the willingness of the Administration and the NAACP to sacrifice a scapegoat (Shirley), so as not to appear racist"…
But we know they ALL are… And Shirley is a mirror of the Administration and the NAACP…..
Damn video was in her own words, it's done all the time to conservatives. MSM is by marxists for marxists.
Andrew will have plenty of lawyers willing to assist him – gratis. With the economy the way it is, there's lots of smart First Amendment lawyers with extra time on their hands who would willingly contribute to the cause….
That is the thing that concerns me. Arguing a case using strict interpretation is difficult. Isn't that a kick in the head, huh? The whole justice system has become surreal. A psychedelic journey through a steady procession of cartoon characters, gavel wielding ex-hippies and social justice nannies intent on imposing "San Francisco Sharia" on an unwilling majority. Andrew will win this case. Discovery will sink Mssss. Sherrod. In fact, I am betting she drops it after the old media is done touching it, which is pretty much done. It will be interesting to see if she accepts AB's offer of a face to face.
I'm leaning toward….no, she won't.
Thank God we still have the Supremes as a balanced arbiter.
Discovery will torpedo her, big time.
You are most likely correct. You still have to pay for discovery and court costs. Andrew likely has insurance that will help out but it will still cost Andrew money, in the millions if the elitist green light Ms Sherrod.
I don't know. Her old media support is waning fast. Facts and truth are giving the media progressives moebius strip brain loops. If they could still impose complete control of the narrative, I would say Andrew might be in trouble.
Drip, drip, drip……….
Go AB!!
Another reason not to sue, when you eventually loose (because of the high standards of evidence); even if you were wronged it creates the impression you were not (because you just lost in court).
This came up a lot when foreigners ask why people didn't sue Mike Moore considering his movies were full of malicious lies (i.e., as he mostly attacked public figures it was pretty much impossible to win in US courts). Foreigners didn’t get it as their countries had lower standards of evidence (re: UK, France, and others) for defamation.
But anyway, considering the tape that was run included the portion about her change of heart… High standards of evidence aside, I still don’t understand how she thinks she has a case.
A year ago Andrew would have been in big trouble. But thanks to Andrew the narrative is changing. Great piece today at American Thinker regarding Ms Sherrod along with the MSM walking the story back a bit. Andrew is making a difference on presenting the full stories, and others are stepping it up due to Andrew, he is no longer a lone voice. That is why the elitist ruling class are after Andrew.
Doesn't he have that 100k still around?
But anyway, he could always hit us up for donations if need be… I've been so entertained by most of his exploits I'd kick some cash down to help.
I agree with what you say. I hope the Supremes stay at 5 to 4 or we're in trouble. Let us pray.
Looks like the trolls aren't touching this one……
I'm guessing she liked being in the spotlight and got caught up in the hype. Imagine her pleasure at getting an apology from the president. She seems like someone who would let it go to her head and start talking before her brain engaged. I'm also betting that she's getting lots of advice that says she has no case. She'll probably grouse a bit more and then fade into the background.
They're just waiting for their keepers to tell them what to think. They'll show.
Not to mention that if Breitbart were to lose this case, it would challenge decades of "investigative journalism" in which the filmed answers are mis-matched to their questions — oddly enough, considered an acceptable means of reporting.
Ah, another speaking engagement in front of another racist group. When will she be speaking to Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers?
Shirley, you are such a classy dame
But the WH realizes you are quite lame
On Sunday talk shows you would merely repeat
The administration's talking points full of deceit
Now, go away, you have had your 15 minutes of fame!
An avalanche of case law kills this deal no matter how "emotional" she wants to get.
The specter of an ugly discovery process will kill this before it ever happens. Toast.
Lawyers wanna get paid, and need to settle or win to ca$h in. It isn't there, the payday isn't a sure thing.
Watch for her to sue for wrongful termination. She'll win that one. The Feds will settle that baby for a million or three and Shirley will be in fancy purple hats and white gloves and Daddy Sherrod will get that sleek black 600SL he's had his eye on. Done.
It's not so much the cost of discovery – it's what might pop up in discovery. I'm betting she has a closet FULL of dirty laundry and baggage just bulging at the seems.
I'd START with the books and bank records of the "New Communities" foundation she and hubby control. $13 million flowed into the coffers, can that be accounted for? It's relevant because it was paid to the foundations to "right wrongs" of several decades. USDA (her employer involved) and the Feds paid out da $$$$ – so:
Where's the $$$? Was it disbursed equitably?
What are other foundation members saying?
Nothing divides up people and FAMLIES like a goooood ol fashioned FIGHT over $$$$$. Hee hee.
I want to be consistent. She has a wrongful termintion case on deck, I think. USDA in the name of Sec. Vilsack is on the hook and there is plenty of evidence they pulled the trigger WAY TOO QUICK. Just MHO.
There must be a semblence of due process in a firing not "Beck is going to scalp you! Quit, Quit!" Purely political firing/resigination. Stupid Obama White House.
The should charge Beck rent. He's living IN Obama's people's collective head. Schmucks.
If she actually thinks she has a case, it could only be because she gets all of her news and views from MSM. It's obvious she doesn't watch Fox and probably doesn't know anyone who does, as she tried to tar Fox with publicizing the NAACP-tape story. It's doubtful if she even checked Breitbart for herself, more likely accepted a second-hand interpretation of what had been posted because her narrative didn't fit the facts (either that or she flat-out lied).
What Kind of Journalist Would Cheer a Defamation Plaintiff?
The same kind who call for FoxNews to be shuttered.
Or who think that the Fairness Doctrine is a pretty nifty idea.
Luckily, the Lightbringer has only been able to replace libprogs with libprogs.
Problem is, the replacements are worse than the retirees.
Times that try the souls of good men.
You're probably right. AB is definitely raising the bar on disclosing news and raising the lid on the coffin of the old media and exposing it to light.
I'll bet Andrew's lost a ton of sleep over this one….not.
Shirley is a tool — a tool of the left that will be utilized (unsuccessfully) to take down AB and the Bigs. Not being schooled in law, but having at least a smidge of common sense, I can not think of a single leg Shirley or her attorneys have to stand on.
"Journalists" who cheered her announcement are mouth-breathing, ObamaBots, (aka: JournoLists).
Problem is, these scum today arent Journalists. Mike Royko was a journalist. These scum today are anti-american communist ideolgues, poisoned by the indoctrination they got from there commie professors in j-school. Same with many lawyers and judges, the ho Bolton being yet another example. First thing is, we need to defy these people-dont pay taxes, etc. Defy there unconstitutional rulings-Sheriff Joe just in effect, spit in Boltons face with his sweep yesterday(good for him). We need more folks like that, he use common sense to enforce the law, not some opinion of a communist judge.
Tyrany-her hubby was a member of the original black panthers of Stokely Carmichael and Huey Newton. She likely already has.spoken with them, just not before the cameras. By the way Shirley-if you sue Breitbart, Im quite sure we will find out more about your so-called "reverend" hubby. And from what heard so far, it wouldnt be good for you.
They have already had their bite from the Gov. http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/real_sherr...
If she pursues the lawsuit, then Breitbart should counter sue. What is more defamatory than claiming someone wants to bring back slavery?
RandyL2, don't be decieved by what happened in Arizona. It is a temporary injunction………..the bulk of the law went into effect, no more sanctuary cities, counties of agencies in Arizona, citizens can sue the aformentioned if they continue with the sanctuary policy, None of the previous methods of enforcement were curtailed. As Sherriff Joe stated, hey its business as usual for him. All Sherriffs in Arizona have affirmed they will continue to act as usual. The celebrants where happy for one whole day, now they too have awakend to the smell of the coffee and they ain't happy. As far as the 9th circut court, well so far with Arizona laws regarding illegal immigration they have sided with Arizona.
Shirley, Shirley, Bo-burly, banana-fana-fo furley, fee fi mo murly. Shirley. The blame game.
Sherrod is either delusional or a fool. It was not Breitbart who pressed her to resign; it was the Obama Administration as she has said herself. Furthermore it was the NAACP who condemned her speech even though they had access to the full video since it was video of one of their own events.
For some odd reason Sherrod is not going after the ones who actually wronged her. I wonder why? Is it because they are lefties like her; is she just another partisan hack? Or is there another reason?
As for the “journalists” who applauded a defamation suit and their willingness to protect the 1st Amendment we on the right have known for decades how much the left really supports the 1st Amendment. As has been recently confirmed by the JournOlist emails, a great many so-called journalists do not support the 1st Amendment for all Americans. They only support freedom of speech for that speech they agree with.
Clearly, it's in the interest of professional journalists to see those who fail to uphold professional standards of competence driven out. This case is conventional. It is not going to change First Amendment law, or change the scope of First Amendment protections one iota. Journalists also are citizens and human beings, who have an interest in seeing an injustice righted. So they should applaud. And they should applaud when Breitbart issues a public apology. And again when he writes a check.
LOL! "Progressing" into madness is more like it.
"What kind of journalists would cheer a defamation plaintiff"?
Who ever said they were journalists?
You know it's got to burn them up that conservatives make so much money so quickly just by going against the liberal agenda. Could John Edwards or Joe Biden make 12 million + on one book? (or 2 or 3 or 4 or..) HELL no. Does any lefty radio talker come anywhere CLOSE to making the kind of money Limbaugh does? HELL no.
I just looked Breitbart up on Wiki to see if he was a self-made man, as they say. Liberals really hate people who don't kow-tow to the traditional power structure. I discovered something I didn't know before. Breitbart is Jewish. Liberals have a special hatred for anyone who goes off their reservation. Jews, women, blacks, gays, latinos..if you defect you're mud to them. No wonder they have a special hate-on for the man.
Nice info Marie, I had heard AB was Jewish, as are many on the Left, with whom I understand AB
was once in agreement. I haven't delved into his former Lertist past though, I'm just glad to have
this fierce fighter on the RIGHT side now.
Let;s think about this……………they are afraid of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck……………..I'm lovin it!
Great reply. Your on to something.
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Peter Courtenay Stephens
I'd wondered why they go into fits over the guy. I know they're mad about the ACORN thing, but it's not like they don't have things like Project Vote still in operation.
I didn't know a thing about Breitbart other than what you get from reading his Big sites periodically. I don't have cable because I just don't watch TV at all, so I'd never heard of him till last year when he started Big Government. I'm glad he came to his senses, I absolutely LOVE the way he drives the Left up their padded walls. ROFL
Heard the tape may have been "altered". If it was "altered" it was in the possession of the NAACP who maybe don't want the REAL statements exposed.
A troll defending this is like saying Michael Moore is "Handsome".( Gasp, Choke, Puke.)
What do you think the odds are that the DOJ was in contact (behind the scenes) with this Judge ???
Hmmm, the question posed is "what kind of journalist would applaud the threat of a defamation suit?" I'd say the kind that hates the unprofessional tactics of Andrew Breitbart and the kind who want to expose him as a faker and fraud. That's who.
I will certainly be applauding if Breitbart writes a check to Shirley Sherrod. I just hope it's enough to curtail his shameless antics. I doubt it will.
so let me get this straight. Breitbart posted an edited video of Sherrod that painted her as a racist and you don't get why she is going after him, instead of the NAACP and the Obama Admin? Ummm, hello?
She's a lifelong communist and member of black militia groups that have actually detonated bombs. She named here daughter "Russia" to salute the country she felt she belonged to more than any other. What do you think?
What kind of Journalist? A JOURNO-LISTER also known as a PROPAGANDIST.
According to my friend Merriam Webster: PROPAGANDIST
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect
They are sleeping in which is very common among the entitlement crowd. While we capitalistic type follow the old adage of the early bird…
Andrew has said a few times that his "wake-up call" came from the treatment of Justice Clarence Thomas by the Left, and that he then started paying attention to what was 'said' vs what was 'done.'
The full 43-minute tape is or was available on the NAACP site. Just about every talking head on the Left, and a few on the Right, refer to Andrew's clip as "edited." That's not accurate – he posted the entire clip as he received it, and although it was just a snippet of the full tape it was an intact snippet – nothing added, deleted or altered.
Although the context is more clear in the full tape, the snippet did include Sherrod referring to her "revelation" about 'not black or white' but more about economic disparity. This, and the NAACP audience response to Sherrod, does substantiate Andrew's stance, that posting the clip was to show the NAACP as hypocritical on their chastisement of TEA Parties without applying those same standards to their own org.
"Investigative journalism" used to consist of a reporter dabbing correction fluid over an FBI file number and typing in his or her by-line. Looks like now it's a matter of dabbing the correction fluid over the header on Democratic Party talking point lists and typing in the by-line(s).
You and rosehips haven't been following the news lately with various leftist pundits admitting Breitbart's post included the redemption story and the article was not a smear.
Catch up with the class or you'll have to stay in at recess.
Look down the thread at the comment by "progressing". He and "rosehips" must've gotten their talking points e-mail today. It's amusing how the power brokers of the left put their minions out there to humiliate themselves while they move on to other grifts.
He only used her own words, even the WH jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Well let's look at the facts shall we. Breitbart posted the video and placed it in context in the accompanying article he wrote. He posted all of the video he had at that time; he did not hold any back. To my knowledge his only error in the article was that he thought that the story she was relating had occurred while she was working for the government; an error he admitted and corrected later.
The video did not "paint" Sherrod as racist; it showed that she had done something racist in the past. If you will take the time to view the video you will see that she acknowledged that what she did was racist and wrong. Or do you think that a black person can't be racist against a white person?
The point of posting that video incidentally was because it showed members of the NAACP applauding her racists actions against a white farmer. The NAACP in full hypocritical mode had decried the Tea Parties as racist without a shred of evidence to back up their accusation. This video clearly demonstrates active and cheerful racism on behalf of members of the NAACP.
Breitbart did not force Sherrod to resign without reviewing the full video; the Obama Administration did force her to resign without cause of even giving her a chance to defend herself. Likewise the NAACP did condemn her speech without reviewing the whole video that was in their possession. It is noteworthy that I've not heard one word from the Obama Administration, the NAACP or Sherrod condemning the audience for their applause that came about after she had told of her prior racism against an innocent man.
Hello yourself. Now don't you think that it is a least a little strange that she is not attacking the Obama Administration or the NAACP after both groups had thrown her under the bus? Instead she is only going after Breitbart and Fox news. WHY? Why do the lefties get a pass?
Now do you think that her actions against that farmer were racist or not? If not then why not? Are you Ok with the audience applauding her racist actions? If not, why not? Do you condemn the Obama Administration for firing her without cause or giving her a chance to defend herself? If not, why not? Do you believe that the NAACP was in the wrong for condemning her without reviewing the full video and learning all of the facts? If not, why not?
yeah, taken out of context so they appeared to mean something different. But that was the work of the NAACP. They doctored the vid and set up Breitbart, or so I've read.
I suspect that at the end of the day Ms. Sherrod will choose not to sue. By saying she is she gets the media to report that what what Breibart did was actionable and therefore wrong. She can then let the issue fade away after leaving a wrong impression in people's minds. This assumes Breibart will let her, which I doubt.
If she proceeds with this there are a lot of liberals in politics and the race industry that aren't going to be happy. Being able to get her, the hubby, Clinton and Obama (and maybe some Bush) administration people, the NAACP etc etc under oath to review this womans life could be damning to a number of people and organizations. One thing to cosider as well is that if she decides to go forward the really fun part won't begin until around the 2012 elections.
The last thing those two need is more indoctrination in class. They are so blinded by being told what to think instead of how to think they have no recourse but to parrot whatever they hear. Arguing with those quarter-wits is a complete waste of time. But it is fun to feed the trolls at times and hear them run around their mother's basements like spider monkeys rattling the bars at the zoo.
How frustrating, I wrote a long response but my computer locked up and the program closed. dang, I hate that.
I guess I should shorten my response this time.
Thanks for your respectful response, hoosier. I apologize if I got a little sassy with you. I get that way sometimes.
To answer your first question, I think she attacked Breitbart because he posted the video knowing how it could affect her job and reputation. Whether he knew the tape was doctored or not is debatable. I know how this man operates. I've seen him on tape. I believe he is unscrupulous. I believe he was most concerned with his own exploitation of the video.
I will continue on the next comment in case the program fails again.
I think that Obama's admin and the NAACP were duped and they responded poorly. C'mon, they should know Breitbart's reputation is tarnished. Why take something he posted as the basis for firing Sherrod. That sure put egg on their face, but they fell for something that many other's who should have known better fell for too. tsk, tsk
I believe there is racism inherent in us all. Very few people are immune to it or escape it. I have come to accept more and more that I feel good and bad about certain races but I acknowledge that I am actually responding to a certain class of people and base my opinions on certain stereotypes. But I recognize more and more that I just respond to injustice, I don't care what race the offender is.
I understand the applause. I understand why some blacks dislike whites. If we can remove perceptions as well as real obstacles to racial harmony, I'd love to see it. I think we are moving in the wrong direction and I blame it partly on those who incite racial disparity with their spotlight on reverse racism. Yes it occurs. But how many blacks do the New Black Panthers really represent?
And if I didn't answer the question regarding whether Sherrod's actions were racist against the white farmer, the answer is yes. But I admire how she made an effort to overcome her bias. The guy may very well have been condescending. I have no doubt that's possible. I'd be angry too. I'd have reservations about helping him too. But help him she did and despite her father's murder at the hands of a racist, she's worked on removing her resentment and working on removing racism from her heart. I give her many kudo for this.
You haven't noticed that all walking back on the false accusations against AB from last week have you? Because you don't bother to actually inform yourself, you just repeat what you've been told to say and absorb it as your own viewpoint. Which is why you get so incredibly angry when faced with the truth and you absolutely agree that the medium informing you of said truth must be shut down.
it's scary, but try thinking for yourself once in a while.
'It is noteworthy that I've not heard one word from the Obama Administration, the NAACP or Sherrod condemning the audience for their applause that came about after she had told of her prior racism against an innocent man.'
Actually, the first response from the NAACP in which they condemn Sherrod, they do mention the audience:
[ http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/07/20/naacp... ]
Note the part where Ben Jealous wrote:
'The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action.'
and
'We thank those who brought this to our national office’s attention, as there are hundreds of local fundraising dinners each year.'
To which Mr. Breitbart should respond, 'You're welcome.'
She doesn't want to sue. I think she's looking for a settlement. But she has no case to bring against Breitbart and her own words are her own worst enemy, so she should be disappointed.
I wonder if Breitbart could sue some commentators for product disparagement. He would have to prove that they had a high degree of awareness of their statements' probable falsity, so he might have to notify some. Most of the people disparaging it have not even watched his tape. They based their comments on the re-edited network version without the redemption. The networks would surely had the required awareness, since they had his original tape.
The best example occurred when Chris Matthews caught Howard Dean and Joan Walsh lying through their teeth on the 5 PM show and had to retape it for the 7PM rerun.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-matthews-retapes...
Dean finally admitted that he had seen only the Fox version. Joan Walsh said later that she had seen both at the time, so she could be a prime candidate for a suit.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/poli...
Are you talking to me? Because if you are, you are so far off that you'll need a 'script' before you'll ever make any sense to me. AB is an ass. I don't know whose pov you think I'm repeating, but you'd be wrong with whomever you guessed. You think I'm incredibly angry? okay, whatever…
I agree. Most of the people telling her to sue do not realize the redemption is on Breitbart's tape. The posters that have some legal knowledge (i.e., they at least know the difference between actual malice and malicious intent) think she will hurt herself by suing
Ok I’ll take it one thing at a time. First off a quick tip: I make it a habit to save my comments to Word in case something goes wrong and a website loses my comments. I had lost numerous comments until I started this practice; I’m losing my hair fast enough without pulling it out in frustration.
Next up, I generally try to maintain a respectful attitude until given a reason to be less respectful. No problems on being sassy. I can become quite belligerent as well depending on how others act. I meet disrespect with disrespect.
Now to the issues at hand: how do you know that Breitbart knew that the video would adversely affect her job? I can see how you might assume such to be fact but you cannot know it to be fact. Imputing evil intents on behalf on someone based on disagreements is a logical fallacy that should be avoided whenever possible. I can understand Sherrod becoming angry with Breitbart over the incident but not her blaming him for the actions of others.
Next the tape has not been shown to have been doctored. If it had been doctored then I’m reasonably certain that the NAACP and the Obama Administration would have sought to prove it. If you have evidence that this video was tampered with in any way please let the rest of us see the evidence. Until it is proven to have been tampered with I see no reason to doubt the authenticity of the video. Has Sherrod or anyone else who attended the meeting where the video was made come forth to make such a claim?
How Breitbart operates is pretty close to how leftist journalists have operated for decades, with the exception that he backs his allegations with proof. The video clearly showed NAACP members applauding racist acts committed against a white man, thus proving his point that the NAACP has verifiable racists in their organization while the accusations of racism in the Tea Party movement are unfounded.
Recently one of the spokesmen (Mark Williams) of the Tea Party Express was pushed out for making racist and religiously bigoted remarks. This happened after other Tea Parties had disavowed the Tea Party Express over those comments. The Tea Parties do their best to remove any bigots from their ranks. Has the NAACP removed the racists from their ranks?
So you blame Breitbart for the inexcusable actions taken by the Obama Administration and the NAACP? Are you actually saying that their culpability extends only as far as being supposedly “duped” by Breitbart? Was it not incumbent upon them to get all the facts before taking any action? Acting without getting all of the facts has become a troubling pattern for the President and his administration.
What is it exactly that we out here are falling for when it comes to Breitbart and the video? The video is what it is; it shows NAACP members applauding racism, and it shows that Sherrod was trying to make a point about racism existing in people of all colors. I believe that she was trying to get people to see that in themselves and to start them on the road to overcoming it.
As you can see we generally agree as to the pervasiveness of racism. We differ in that I do not think that it is so much a natural part of us as it is an ideology that is taught to us. Some people become racists because they are raised that way; others because they are reacting to how others treat them. If a black person is continually mistreated by white racists, who abuse them because they are black, it is natural that they might begin to believe that all whites are racists thus unknowingly becoming racists themselves by judging all whites as being the same. In the same manner I think that many whites became racists because they became tired of being accused of being racists; they figured that if they’re going to have the name they might as well play the game. If lefties are going to keep calling them racists they will be racists. It’s self-defeating but understandable.
We overcome our racism by first recognizing it and then facing it. The problem is that far too often people on the left will use the accusation of racism where none has been demonstrated or proven to exist in order to shut down debate. It has been used as a weapon so much and for so long that it has become a joke.
As I related in a different comment on another thread, I used to respond defensively to being called a racist and I allowed it to silence me from expressing my opinion. In time I came to realize that since I knew I wasn’t being racist I should not allow the charge to hurt me as it did, much less allow it to silence me.
I too give Sherrod credit for working to overcome her racism, however I do not think that the way in which she handled the farmer was appropriate. Whether or not she actually did help him is not known. Perhaps he will step forward someday and let us know his side of the story. As to her perception that he was being condescending I cannot say one way or another. That she felt that he was is not in doubt; whether he really was in questionable. Such a thing is subjective.
As I indicated earlier my problem with Sherrod is that she is attacking Breitbart and Fox news while letting the President and the NAACP off the hook. This is unacceptable and unreasonable. If she had become angered at Breitbart and Obama and the NAACP then I would not think much of it. BTW since Fox did not even address the issue until after Sherrod was forced to resign I think that it is completely unfair to blame them for any of this (with the exception of O’Reilly, who I’m informed did act as if Sherrod was in the wrong. He has since apologized for his error).
Good catch; I stand corrected. Good for the NAACP and Mr. Jealous. Yes Breitbart should be thanked for pointing this out. He has helped them to get started purging the racists from their ranks. Let's hope they follow through.
Thanks for the info.
"Ya-but".
Some political activist lawyers work for free, or so they say. We have no way to know how many of them are "on retainer" with someone like Soros at some idiotic rate.
"moebius strip brain loops"
That describes the last argument I had with a lefoid. And he did not see the contradictions in his own arguments. Whenever I tried to point them out, he picked up the circular argument from whatever I said last.
Breitbart's tape is not racist, since it shows Sherrod's redemption. However, the networks re-edited his tape to make him look racist. It appears that he would have a good "false light" suit. Certainly, being made to look like a racist meets (a). They had his complete tape, so acted knowingly, meeting (b).
"One who gives publicity to a matter concerning another that places the other before the public in a false light is subject to liability to the other for invasion of his privacy, if
(a) the false light in which the other was placed would be highly offensive to a reasonable person, and
(b) the actor had knowledge of or acted in reckless disregard as to the falsity of the publicized matter and the false light in which the other would be placed."
Hmmm, the /do/ parrot what they are told to say, even if it contradicts what they were told last week, or even yesterday.
Hmmm.
"Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
A snowball in hell would have a better chance than Ms. Sherrod would winning this case against Mr. Breitbart. But with the Reparationist-in-Chief beer summiteer, the looney tunes congress and the 'hate whitey cuz he hates us' sentiment fomented by everyone from the Congressional Black Caucus to La Raza, I wouldn't want to bet on it. Oh, alright, I'll give 10 to 1 odds against Sherrod.
I disagree with you on the 'AB is an ass' remark, but is that the reason you think it's a good thing for to eat away at the first amendment? To shut down anyone you happen to think is an ass? That's some scary stuff there, girlie.
You don't even give any examples of the fraud or fakery you reference. You can't because all the leftist accusations of such keep being debunked. And, yes, you seem very angry.
If I paid some six figure sum to send my kid to one of the "esteemed" journalism schools I would be so so P.O.'d for getting ripped off.
Actually, though, of far more import than the Shirley Sharrod story is my undying curiosity as to what the heck that funky thing is that is on Frank Ross's head in the above teeny tiny picture! (Actually, I taken to really liking Frank's writing – keep it up!)
"PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS" Huh?? Where can we peons find that? Is it written somewhere? Do journalists have a code of ethics??
mousie, the fraud is that AB misrepresented the video and did not disclose that it was heavily edited. Did AB know the video was edited? Of course he did. I am waiting anxiously to find out who actually edited the film. If AB made an error "in good faith", he can't be convicted. The chances of that are zero to nil, imo.
I am going to throw out a disclaimer that I am not authorized to give legal advice or practice law.
With that said, I don't know the details of what AB intentions were when he posted the video. I am of the opinion that what he did was illegal. He is a cocky sob. He deserves to pay.
I'm all for freedom of speech as long as it's not libelous or slanderous. There are parameters that we all must respect if our freedoms are to mean anything. You just can't lie or misrepresent something that will disparage someone's reputation, job, or career. To do that for your own gain is reprehensible, imo.
from wiki: In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual;
Reckless disregard is the most charitable way to interpret Breitbart's actual words and actions here.
hoosier, where were you when this story first came out? I guess you'd have to had watched CNN to see that the white farmer was found and he became Sherrod's biggest advocate as he explained how she helped him save his farm. I actually didn't see it either. I read about it somewhere.
I don't defend the left wing reactionaries. I do think most of the leftists who do the name calling are either students who have not learned respect, or people 45 or older who have reverted to adolescence. They are frustrated and don't know how to vent their anger constructively. We all might be guilty of this on occasion. It's hard to debate morons. Why not just give up and try to push some buttons? lol
Unfortunately Sherrod now denies that she had been racist against the farmer. This despite the fact that she had originally said in the NAACP video that started the whole thing that she had not done as much to help the farmer as she would have had he not been white. This is the very definition of racism. This is disappointing and lowers my opinion of her. As far as I am concerned she is coming across as just another hypocritical racist.
I found the interview with the farmer you are referencing. The clip (and others) I viewed was of interviews with a couple purporting to be the farmer and his wife. In these interviews the couple claims that Sherrod did help them and was never biased against them.
Unfortunately we have no way of knowing if this really is the farmer in question. The farmer is never named in the NAACP video so anyone could be brought in to claim to be him. If there were some way to prove it was actually them it would help. It could actually be the farmer referenced in the NAACP video, or it could be a plant.
Another problem is that just because someone does not recognize bigotry when it is aimed at them does not mean that it did not happen. There is the possibility that the couple may not have even realized that Sherrod was not doing as much for them as she would have had they been black, which is what she said in the first place. Sherrod and her defenders can’t have it both ways; either she did not help the farmer as much as she would have had he been black or she did not do anything racist.
Add to this the fact that in the NAACP video Sherrod said that the farmer was acting condescending and superior to her. She implied that this was due to him being racist. I have yet to find a video that shows Mr. Spooner being asked about this aspect of the story. Was he being condescending and superior and racist towards Sherrod? If he says he was then good enough; if not then what is his version of that meeting with Sherrod?
There are too many inconsistencies in the different stories that Sherrod and the Spooners are telling. A tough interview with just one truly neutral reporter would probably answer a lot of questions. If instead of doing fluff interviews with lefty “journalists” they sat down with someone willing to ask hard questions I might begin to buy what they are selling.
Actually I don’t find it hard debating morons because of the odd things one can induce them to say can be quite amusing, I do wonder though as to what buttons you are advocating pushing? If you mean saying things to drive them to distraction I find that that becomes very boring in short order.
Okay, so the reunion between the farm couple and Sherrod was set up with actors? It looked pretty convincing to me and I am not that jaded to think that they would stage this.
You are right hoosier, it's not hard to debate morons. But it gets so tedious to hear the same old same old retorts. The buttons I push are those that get my adversaries in an outrage because of my "commie" opinions. Actually I don't have opportunity to do that much. My main adversary stopped harrassing me when he was advised that he was engaging in "malicious mischief."
I didn't say that they were actors. That is your choice of words, not mine, and I would appreciate if you would refrain from putting words in my mouth. It is both a poor debating habit as well as rude; not to mention unsanitary. If you will show restraint from using this tactic I promise not to use it either. Thank you.
I am perfectly willing to believe that Sherrod might have indeed aided the Spooners a couple of decades ago. They may be exactly what they portray themselves as, or as I indicated they may be a plant (not actors, just fellow travelers from the left) or just a completely different set of people and totally unrelated to the farmer Sherrod spoke of in the video. I failed to clarify this possibility in my earlier comment and even though I thought that it was implied, it obviously was not; this is an error is on my behalf. Mea Culpa.
My point, which you avoided addressing, is that we do not know that Mr. Spooner is the same individual whom Sherrod described as condescending and whom she said looked down on her because she was black. He did not come across as either condescending or racist in the interviews I watched. Quite the contrary in fact, he seemed quite down to earth and color-blind. His manner is not congruent with her description of him. How do you explain this?
As I pointed out, Mr. Spooner has not been asked about Sherrod's description of him as a racist. Nor has it been addressed as to why Sherrod said that she did the minimum she could for him because he was white if she was not biased against him. I would like for both Sherrod and Spooner to address this.
At present I am a 3rd year law school student working to use my MA in history as a stepping-stone to a law degree. As such my training makes me question everything, especially when multiple inconsistencies emerge in someone's story. As I already pointed out there are such inconsistencies in Sherrod's and Spooner's accounts that need to be cleared up.
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