The Mainstream Media’s (MSM’s) latest sport is to try to accuse the Tea Party activists of being Republican hacks. The reality is that their spin is demonstrative again, of their Pavlovian simplicity and lack of vision for their own agenda.
In truth, were the Democrats to give up their agenda of bigger government, more debt, and more spending, some Tea Partiers would return to the party of their grandparents. Sadly, it appears more likely that donkeys will fly than turn from their statist tack. For now, donkeys aren’t flying, and the Republicans have an opportunity to garner the support of the Tea Party if they play their cards right.
Tea Partiers will admit that the Republican agenda is much more closely aligned with theirs than the Democrats, even if they are not ready to be pigeonholed with that label. Most Tea Partiers say that under certain conditions, they might be Republicans, but for now, they are happy “looking in” and demanding changes.
The Tea Party is validated and emboldened when the MSM whines about their rallies and demands. They are enjoying their own sport of watching the MSM frantically rushing to resuscitate a dying agenda of one-world government, socialized medicine, and elimination of state and national sovereignty. Their shrill protestations embolden Tea Partiers to fight another day, while confirming their worst suspicions about the MSM’s true agenda. The fierce individualist American Spirit has awoken from its nap and is ready for action! The MSM might be dismayed to learn that they are the very noise that awakened the giant. They dared Conservatives to show their faces, and they did!
So what will the MSM have to show for their little game of “truth or dare” with the Tea Party? Nothing. Their party gains nothing. They certainly have not improved their ratings, or credibility. Their jobs have gone away. At the end of the day all they will be able to say is, “look, see, we told you they were Republicans!”
So…what?
Instead of daring and cajoling, they should be spending their time drawing upon those in the Tea Party who espouse the old Democrat values of Kennedy, Moynihan, Sam Nunn, and others. Or are they so ideologically left (socialist) that they won’t even admit the game is over when they have clearly lost?
They might want to examine the failures of their tactics and take a new approach, before they are entirely discredited by the new army of journalists who understand the Conservatism in the electorate. A little honesty; a little “my bad”; a little “I am listening”– would do wonders for those who have enjoyed a free run in the media for decades, hiding their socialist agenda behind a thin veil of “journalism.”
Pavlov’s psychological studies predicted that behaviors would be repeated long after the previous rewards ceased, if the rewards were reinforced for long enough beforehand. For years, the MSM could smack down the right and the right retreated. The MSM does not appear to understand the new dynamic or psychological curve ball the right has thrown their way.
Tea Partiers have defined their goals of small government, less spending, and lowering debt. For the Republicans, that is a small pivot. For the Democrats, it’s a complete turn around. Blue Dogs like Evan Bayh of Indiana are recognizing that but the Democrat Party leaders seem to be missing the point.
Tea Partiers are asking Republicans to pivot show fidelity to their own platform and the tenets of the U.S. Constitution. Tea Partiers are asking the Republicans to stop shoving “RINOs” – Republicans In Name Only — down their throats. Tea Partiers are asking to be part of the system that chooses candidates before the primary. Sounds simple enough. Republicans are starting to listen to the Tea Party, and it’s high time they did so.
The day after the election, Democrats and their MSM allies will wake up saying, “see, we told you all those Tea Partiers were Republican hacks.” The Republicans will wake up saying, “we best represented their values, and vowed to return to our platform and Constitution.” The Tea Partiers will wake up and say, “Mission accomplished. Now, let’s hold them accountable.”
The MSM looks shrill to the point of silly. Challenging Tea Party activists to “admit” they are going to vote Republican is like challenging Big Labor to admit they lean left. The difference is the independence of the Tea Party, who will individually think for themselves, and not be told how to vote. Republican leaders are optimistic, and I see no donkeys flying, in the near future.
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We are watching all of them! 'nuff said
Imagine that!
There's a group out there, and they vehemently criticize the Democrats for their socialist utopian vision (not to mention the underhanded tactics used to attempt to secure same) and then go and vote for NON-DEMOCRATS.
Datz orful, 'cept not rilly. Makes perfect sense to me.
Imagine that!
There's a group out there which vehemently criticizes the Democrats' vision of a socialist Utopia, not to mention the underhanded tactics they employ in pursuit of same. Then, that group goes out there and votes for the party that ISN'T THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!! Oh, the horror!
'Cept not rilly. It makes perfect sense to me.
Great article. It's staggering to me how a media, supposedly "liberal", can constantly attack a movement made up of everyday people voicing their concerns for their country and exercising their freedom of speech, association and right to protest. Isn't that what a great country should be all about? It has been a non-violent a positive protest. If the MSM could they'd probably spray The Tea Party protesters with fire hoses and throw them in concentration camps.
Smaller, more responsible government, lower taxes, adherence to the Constitution… how can anyone be against this? It's absolutely stunning to me the hate coming from our media. The left's true colors are being revealed for the world to see. They're tyrants, filled with contempt for fellow citizens of their own country. Despicable.
The Republicans must understand that the Tea Party is a Conservative movement and will not support a candidate just because they have a R next to their name. Republicans will have to prove themselves by running away from any Progressive agenda. If they fail to do that the Tea Party will be looking for a different option.
Republicans it's your move.
Progressivism has always been all about controlling the propaganda machine…
"Give me your children for eight years and they will become a communist for life…" ~Lenin
The big question for the GOP is whether or not they will continue to behave like The Democrat Party Lite.
If they do, the Tea Party will not support them. The worst the TP can do is add to the numbers of the independent voters.
The dems can always count on the entitlement voters and the government employees, but that isn't a sustainable position.
Pass the popcorn.
Of course the MSM are absurd – nothing new there. But the Tea Party revealed itself for what it is at the Tea Party convention. Speakers there spouted rhetoric that was indistinguishable from the conservative, christian blathering of the moral majority wing of the Republican party for years. Are you trying to say that cries for the rule of law and smaller government are actually new from conservatives, republicans or evangelicals? Bible quoting and talk of being 'god fearing' from Tea Party leadership have pushed many libertarians and independents away from the Tea Party – I mean, when I have to listen to Farha of World Net Daily cite bible verses, or the moralistic inanity of Sarah Palin – a woman unfit for the presidency by any reasonable person's estimation – how do you think you can convince me something new is going on here? For more from me, check out http://libertariancomment.com/the-tea-party-is-ov...
Being more Libertarian, I think the Tea Parties better represents the model that needs to be in place to facilitate the needed change.
That being said, the Republican Party most closely resembles that point of view. I believe that Tea Partiers need to work at the grassroots level within the GOP to further find the new faces at the local and state levels to implement the movement to smaller government.
While this work goes on, the national level people will need to keep the pressure on the existing candidates to follow through on their promises to us, if we choose to back them.
Like I heard someone say at CPAC, it is no longer enough not to suck as much as the Democrats.
We need people to take drastic actions to save the Union, and if that starts at gridlock in the Congress and Senate following the mid-terms, so be it.
Until Beloved Leader is rendered even more impotent that he is currently, we are all in peril.
"Speakers there spouted rhetoric that was indistinguishable from the conservative, christian blathering of the moral majority wing of the Republican party for years."
Are you kidding? The one anti-gay speaker at the convention was booed off the stage. A straw poll showed that the Religious Right's "social values" agenda barely registerd- the issues overwhelmingly were the economy, the debt, taxes… the economic issues.
The MSM looks shrill to the point of silly.
In other news, pain hurts, water is wet, and Z pretty much rounds out the English alphabet.
Just a minor point, but you are referring to CPAC, while Glenn is referencing the Tea Party Convention. I'm not defending Glenn's position, just pointing out the distinction.
Glenn, there is nothing "libertarian" about deriding people who espouse their particular faith; that is a "progressive" tactic. There is nothing "libertarian" about dividing people by ideological viewpoints; that is a "progressive" tactic. And there is nothing "libertarian" about condemning people who "cry" for smaller government based on what group or belief system they belong to; that is a "progressive" tactic.
If you are going to pretend to be "libertarian," maybe you should try it in a place where people might believe you.
ON THE MONEY! The message is.."Your election is no longer a given."
I have to laugh at stupid liberals, and so called conservatives, that deride Sarah Palin. Her resume is far far better than that of the current president…AND IT SHOWS! Blind idealism is a poor substitution for experience.
Hey, ding-dong, I was talking about the Tea Party convention, not CPAC. But even so, are you trying to say that the conservatives are going to support equal treatment for homosexuals under the law now (gay marriage, don't ask don't tell or Virginia's recent elimination of their ban on state hiring based on sexual preference)? Because they never have in the past, but hey, you can be the first if you want. Simply reply with the statement that you do now, along with your real name.
Thanks John, I was responding while you posted. Why is it that idiot ideologues on both sides of the political spectrum always fumble the basic facts?
You can't just make stuff up, John. There is nothing about being libertarian that compels me to not be critical of those who want to collapse their religion with politics. Perhaps you should read the libertarian principles on the party site, http://www.lp.org/platform to help me understand the factual basis for your assertions. Also, if you want to validate my libertarianism, why don't you visit my blog site, http://www.libertariancomment.com
Fyi, you obviously don't know much about the history of libertarianism and conservatives. Fifty years ago our early leaders debated this openly based exactly on the argument that conservatives call for some similar things to what libertarians believe in. After many attempts and real world experience, they concluded that aligning with the conservative movement was neither principled nor practical, as conservatives have talked a good game but failed to deliver every time they held power. Really, do you just sit at your computer and make up stuff that you think makes sense, without any facts to base it on?
Your hero, Glenn Beck said publicly on the O'Reilly factor that Sarah Palin isn't ready to be president. Btw, my derision of Palin doesn't imply support for Obama – I voted for Bob Barr. Is everyone here a certified koolaid drinking rightwinger?
john, do you live in new jersey?
BARACK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!
What would a dedicated enemy do to take down America? WWII and the cold war showed it could not be done by direct force or intimidation, so the next attempt is to do it internally. Weaken the things that make America strong, abandon our allies, attack the strength of the dollar, nationalize key businesses, socialize health care, and subject a society that supports freedom and the rights of all citizens to Marxism.
Most Americans don’t realize we have elected a president whom we know very little about. Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record.
Barack Obama is a Muslim!
http://usataxpayer.org/?0019422256
Obama Mocks Christian Faith
http://usataxpayer.org/?0033881580
MSM is a fraud, and propaganda wing of the democratic party, and collapsing. Along with global warming and European socialism which is collapsing faster than Obama's approval ratings, and these things are conveniently not being reported.
They all deserve to fail.
.
Uhh, the only problem with your statement is that most 'Tea Partiers' aren't libertarian.
Sorry fantum, but when you shout "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM", you make our side look kookish and without credibility.It's better to maginalize these people with facts and good candidates.
Shots like you've made here turn off the" middle of the roaders" (moderates) , who swing elections one way or the other…This time we need them to swing it our way…
The MSM is infected with the cancer of progressivism, the press no longer cares about the doing the job of informing thr American people.
The are no longer the Nation's watch dogs.
That's why I identified myself as being more Libertarian.
Personally, I don't find the difference between the two movements a hindrance to the larger issues at hand.
I believe that Libertarians can and do react positively to the Tea Parties goals of limited government and fiscal prudence.
I will continue to do my part to affect change within the current system, as opposed to seeking out a third party which only splits the vote and encourages the status quo.
Mr fantum
In reading your posts, I noticed you've posted this same post 8 times !! You're now the cut and "paste fantum"..Like another said you make our side "look bad and lacking in credibility".
Come on, you can do better that this…
Kind of embarrassing…
They are not liberal, they are progressive. As you point out a "liberal" person would not be so judgmental and close minded.
Wow Bil
How original—You the broken record blowhard.>>
The thing I have found about the tea parties is that there are many view points socially and there is no one agenda. Yes some of the speakers at the convention might not agree with your viewpoint or mine on social issues. For one thing that was one tea party convention put on by certain people, it doesn't mean it expresses the views of the majority of tea party members. The one thing that unites tea partiers from all walks of life and all views of religion is the desire for less intrusive, smaller, less expensive, less corrupt government.
He's probably paid to come in here and spout this stuff by one of the Democrat think tanks.
Anything to marginalize the Tea Party. The target is fluid, and the talking heads in the MSM are befuddled by real independence, in their mind a spontaneous protest can’t be real, their rent-a-mobs cost ten to fifteen bucks an hour to wear a purple shirt and carry prepared signs, “screaming what’s in it for me.” so their big question is, what do we get? Our country!
I was born in Jersey, and grew up there. Moved to Florida, then back to Jersey for 8 years, and finally back to Florida, where I live now. Still have my family in Jersey, so I keep up on what's going on up there.
Annie
Good point…Why didn't I think of that? Thanks…
You reminds me of an old coot, sittin' on the front porch wit a shotgun on his lap
I thinks you WilBil wit a different screen name…You two coots sounds like twins…Twin morons…
Have we so quickly forgotten about Jeremiah Wright? 20 years in his church! He is not a Muslim. He may be an opportunist who switches religions (or completely ditches them) based on politics, but I don't think he is a Muslim anymore. Most Muslims see him as a continuation of Bush. If anything, he should be classified as an adherent of black libertation theology, i.e. socialism.
Why was my comment deleted the moment I posted it? Bug with the system, too fast for a moderator. And I didn't say anything offensive.
What the heck did I say in that post that is wrong?
Great article Gina! Tea partiers are no longer willing to vote for liberals with an R after their name. Case in point, John McCain. The tea party groups in Arizona would like nothing better to see McCain retired. In fact, tea party groups all over America would like to see McCain retired! The MSM knows the truth but refuse to admit defeat. The Republican RINOs are terrified and would like nothing better than to co-opt the movement. Won't happen. Fear the Tea Party!
Phillip Dennis
Steering Committee
Dallas Tea Party
"Smaller, more responsible government, lower taxes, adherence to the Constitution"… Exactly Bigplankton….go figure….who would be against that? Someone who is for irresponsible BIG government….higher taxes and a deviation from the Constitution? I believe so. I just wish they would show their true colors and allow the people who voted for them to actually see what they are proposing to do to this country. Even so, the Dems will get reckless and reveal their hand at some point…"Pride goes before the fall" don't ya know? I just hope it isn't too late when they do.
Seriously Glenn, you have a better shot at keeping your freedoms through the Teaparty platform even if it is conservative based….I rather be hanging onto a liferaft then clutching at the sides of the sinking boat.
How would we know if we didn't see it?
Thank you Mr. Dennis, you state exactly what many conservatives who are conservatives first – and GOPers second – feel.
Being a complicite Republican is just as, if not more damaging to our country as unhinged Democrat socialists.
No more, I'm happy the Tea Party is holding candidate's feet to the fire, get on board or get the heck out of the way.
Thank you Mr. Dennis, you are stating exactly what many of us who are conservatives first, and GOPers second have been feeling for a while now.
These complicite "Republicans" are just a big a problem as the unhinged socialist Democrats.
It's time real pressure is brought to bare on these enertia Republicans who are "greasing the skids" for statism.
Exactly, the Tea Party will bend the GOP back to it's core prinicpals or be rendered moot. Time for compromise and creeping socialism are over.
I think that the Republicans are doing the right thing right now and need our support. This is not the time to tear appart the Republican party, but to close ranks and get the liberals out of office. There are some great republicans and republican incumbants. If the tea partiers split the votes, then we will continue down the same path which may prove to be destructive to this great nation. Firts priority to stop obama in his tracks, vote out the dems, and yes we need conservative candidates, but first order of priority is get the dems out and stop this healthcare monstrosity from passing.
So the next move is really your move. You either divide the republican ticket or you hold fast and lose the country you need to learn how to choose your battles.
YEAR 2030 somewhere in "Middle America": "Grandpa, tell us the scary stroy about the near fall of America again, please?"
"Sure child, there used to this evil entity called the "Democrat Party" and altough the party was dominated by wealthy elites and union thugs, they continued to claim they were the 'party of the working person' and champion of worker's rights"
"Stop laughing grandchild, this is a REAL story!"
"Ya right Grampy, tell us more"
"Well in "ought eight" a neo-communist was elected and he tried to transform our country into a Euro-Nanny State and enact Cloward – Piven straegy to break the country and make us a "Worker's Paradise!"
"What happened Grandpa?"
"Well the tax PAYING voters rose up and booted these criminals out of office and the United States went back to it's limited government free market prinicpals!"
"Thank you for saving the country Gramps!"
"For more from me, check out blah blah blah…"
Thanks, but I don't think I need to hear any more from you.
Hey, bjw, I'm having the same issue and I post alot here. It has to be an auto-filter issue. It deleted me about 10 X's in a row.
Sensitive filter today. Maybe A.B. accidentially hired a psycho or a Dem troll.
Has anyone heard from Fonz? It might be him.
Cut the racist facade Dem troll, be a "human" and drop the crapolla.
Exactly how are you related the the Dem Party's attempt to marginalize economic conservatives?
Glenn, I visited your blog site, and I can appreciate that you're well studied. It's a good site. And though you might not believe it, I am extremely well acquainted with the LP site; I have studied that platform for years. Where I take issue with you is that you seem to have missed the essence of libertarianism; the spirit of libertarianism in practice.
From the LP platform:
"We favor the freedom to engage in or abstain from any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. We oppose government actions which either aid or attack any religion."
But how can you espouse this statement against an attack on any religion while you yourself say:
"Speakers there spouted rhetoric that was indistinguishable from the conservative, christian blathering of the moral majority wing of the Republican party for years."?
"Christian blathering." If you believe in respect for other people's religion, how do you justify your own personal animus? Does libertarianism only apply to government?
In another comment you ask:
"are you trying to say that the conservatives are going to support equal treatment for homosexuals under the law now (gay marriage………….."
But again from the LP:
"Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships."
Personally I agree with this platform statement. But your question seems to imply your support of governmental sanction (equal treatment for homosexuals under the law) of gay marriage, and that conservatives should also embrace this position. This doesn't sound libertarian. It sounds more like the mere expression of an anti-conservative bias.
The point that I am making here is that if you truly supported libertarianism, you would also embrace a natural respect for the expression of others, without derision, even if they "collapse their religion with politics."
To do otherwise is not "libertarian," it's intolerant; just as intolerant as the "progressives."
Seriously, Attietewd, what makes you say that? I voted Republican for 25 yrs and it never got us anywhere in terms of smaller government or keeping the government out of people's business. As for 'conservatives', they are just the other side of the coin of the progressives – they want government to do their bidding whether it's the 'war on drugs' or their insane support for huge standing armies (something our founders opposed at all costs) and having U.S. troops in 180+ countries around the world. Furthermore, any group of people who would seriously want to teach 'creationism' in a public schools – or any school for that matter, have lost me forever. They have identified themselves as anti-intellectual and quite possibly stupid themselves. I also don't reflexively hate homosexuals, so I just can't stomach conservatives. These are the folks who gave us George Bush – whose Atty General, John Ashcroft held prayer meetings in his office with key members of his staff. Sorry, no pass.
Our economy is already too far gone to repair without collapse, it doesn't matter who is in power. We're as bad off as Greece, maybe worse when you take into account our unfunded liabilities. We need people in power who actually believe in the radical form of liberty that our founders envisioned. We need to close entire departments of government, including: The Dept of Agriculture, Education, Commerce and Energy. We need to rid ourselves of the DEA and ATF and stop protecting banks and brokerage firms with regulations that give them monopoly power in our economy. We need to eliminate the Federal Reserve and get back on the gold standard. We need to end social security and medicare and only leave in place a bare minimum safety net for those who are unlucky or unable to take care of themselves. We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan (and if you think the Taliban are the same as Al Qaeda, only go back a couple of years when the military was saying very publicly that they were not). If we did all this, we might be able to balance the budget.
My point is that we need radical change and the Republicans will never do it! Never! They had there chance and showed us what they were all about. What's the saying, fool me twice and I'm the fool? Wake up, these folks don't give a damn about your freedom, they just want the power back.
Nonsense, John. On religion, the LP talks of government not aiding or attacking any religion – it says nothing about individual views. Conservatives have proven that they will indeed try to use the government to aggrandize their religion and it's causes. As for being a libertarian somehow implying that I'm not supposed to oppose religion if I think it's crap, that's nonsense – I have no obligation to 'respect it'. . I'm welcome to all my views, just as you are, but you aren't welcome to mix them with government – which is what I mean by collapsing religion with politics. It's nothing like being a progressive, no matter how hard you try to weasel word it – so just stop.
I took the bait and went to the sight. Libertarian whining because the Tea party movement has accomplished in one year what the Libertarians have been trying to be for years – relavant.
Annie – there is nothing about those views that is unique or new from the views of conservatives – they've been saying it for years. If that's what you really want, there is no way that you would put your faith in the Republicans or conservatives to deliver it. The only party that has the principles and platform policies that would deliver what you say you want is the Libertarian party.
Yea, FYI…Shinequa she is Palmtree's imaginary girlfriend.
hehehe
The trolls are out in force today. Spring break?
I'd bet my bottom dollar that the libs/Dems/socialists try to flood April 15th tax day Tea Parties with people carrying racist signs and and "spam" style bull in an effort to try to discredit the movement ahead of the Nov. elections.
An attempt to tamp down enthusiasm, you know?
So, anyone who disagrees with you gets personally insulted? I'm a libertarian and if you think it's sane to trust the Republicans or conservatives to actually deliver on smaller govt or strong protection of liberty, I'd direct you to Einstein's definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
As for what part of the libertarian party I'm from, you clearly don't even know what you are talking about. We don't advocate not paying taxes. As for legalizing drugs, I guess that you missed the part of our founding that was based on Natural Rights, in which I own myself and am free to do what I please with my self as long as I don't infringe on other's natural rights. No lesser of a conservative thinker than William F. Buckley supported drug legalization, as a matter of principle because when he explored it he realized that his reflexive support for the 'War on Drugs' was against what he believed freedom to be.
James, I guess you have no problem with the 400,000 people in federal prison for pot offenses or the 800,000 people arrested every year just for pot, then? If that's so, I guess you would support going back to the prohibition of alcohol, right? I mean, the thinking is exactly the same. Also, what other personal activities of individuals would you outlaw? Finally, does it occur to you that a government that is empowered to intervene in personal behavior in this way can then justify intervention in any way it sees fit? The same principles people use to outlaw drugs could be used to outlaw you eating bacon.
Such a wiseguy, but you really don't know much, do you?
I know this, I know enough to know you're a phony DRUGGIE!
I nailed it.
I KNEW IT! A druggie! "Dude, uhhh let's PARTY"! Hey Spicoli, tasty waves huh?
You KNOW nothing of the misery and desparation that prolonged drug addiction can cause, do you?
"…going back to the prohibition of alcohol, right?"
Me drinking a beer and long term COCAINE addiction are not the same, and I'm not going to waste time on the physiological reasons why.
If you want to be a drug addict, good luck clown – just don't spread your poisonious ideas or crap here.
I have no problem voting for the truly great Reps that are running, but not all of them are truly great. If it comes down to voting for a RINO, voting for a statist, or voting for a third party libertarian or other candidate. I'll go third party. We need to make the message crystal clear.
LOL! I completely nailed you down in about five minutes. "Libertarian drug abuser" that hides in the cloaks of conservatism oblivious of the real issues and [roblems long term drug addiction causes.
Tell us some more Cheech, but pass the doobie first. LOL! Unmasked you, Spicoli! Touche`!
Why don't you try driving up your "click count" at "Friends of Spicoli".com? LOL!
Glenn, I am not trying to indict the Libertarian Party or its platform. In fact I'm in agreement with a lot of that platform. What I have a problem with is belligerence; intolerance; condescension; sniping.
You have displayed every one of these attributes in your comments here. And though I respect your right to be any of those things, I wouldn't want people to think this represents the typical member of the Libertarian Party.
After all, these are much more the attributes we have come to expect from the
(WEASEL WORD ALERT!!!)
"progressives."
LOL! Barr, cool – who was his "running mate"? A guy in an alien space suit or that loony ex-congresswoman fro Atlanta?
Where did you find enough vintage Pacers and Gremlins for a motorcade?
I gotta agree with JohnK144. You show too little respect for the idea of respecting others to win much sympathy from me. For one thing, I happen to be a Christian. That being said, I don't care if you're not, but you have no right to expect me to wash my personal convictions through your moral lense before I go into the ballot box. I don't happen to agree with the idea of forcing my morals onto you, but I will vote for those who represent my personal convictions just as you do. You have no right to demand I do otherwise.
And I do happen to be a registered Independent because I feel neither party has been representative of the limited government, limited spending, limited taxation, respectful of the COTUS candidate that I happen to be looking to vote for. Republicans come closer, but a RINO is still a RINO.
Plus annielew, and as Glenn fails to mention, if you want to get hammered on hard drugs – like Glenn, and walk around in a drug addled stupor, or want you children to walk to school past houses of "cave/basement dwelling denzians" in a drug addled stupor, join a futile group of moral relativists called Libertarians who "pick and choose" what laws and principals like they like, much llike pushing a dinner tray down a cafeteria food line.
Libertarianism is an acronym for selective and "relative moralism". No rules, no consequenses, lot's o drugs!
Yee haw!
Maybe it's "Jeremiah Wright"? *test*
Glen is a druggie. Libertarians come to Libertarianism in an effort to rationalize their drug addictions.
Tearing down laws to keep drugs at least an arms lenght away in society "collides" with their perceived freedoms and striving to burden society with the train wreckage of their lives.
Muslim, black liberation theology *test*
religion, opportunist
nope, who knows what the auto filter was doing.
I like that story James. I think it should be adapted into a nationwide commercial for Tea Party supported candidates.
I'm pummeling Glenn and his loony brand of "Libertarianiam" but you're correct. Not getting elected to anything (like Bob Barr) solves nothing. I think Glenn and his ilk are bothered by the lack of traction gained by the Libertairan movement, and would like to co-opt the Tea movement.
Not happening. It's the GOP and it's "in place" party apparatus and infrastructure where real change can be made. Glenn's problem is that people like me will continue to call him out on some of his more outlandish and linatic public policies stances.
Freewill drug addiction is someting Gleen espouces, and I'll fight him all the way.
(I've forgotten more about the subjesct and it's evils than Glenn KNOWS about it)
You 'nother big mouth…Likes to hear yo self talk, and what a steamin; pile…Must be a Texan…From yo accent, I'm guessin Austin…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWi182CMJY8&fe...
What an Imagination you gots…You hates Obama, he just tryin to help the peoples that can't make it in dis white world…We need mo democraics here in De-Troit…So they can hand out cash from Obams stash. ..Dig, fool?
That's great. Victoria is marvelous, and talented with her ukulele.
Have you seen "UHF" lately? I was a fairly cool and old "Weird Al" movie from the 80's.
Victoria is his "love interest" in "UHF". Funny how "old school" it is now. The thing is that she lived SEPERATELY from, Al in the movie, she wasn't his "shack job" (unlike everysingle movie made today, or for the last 30 plus years)
Even then she played it square and morally on film. Perhaps there are contrary examples of her work, but none that I know of.
What happened Glenn? Did Cheech come by and pick you up so two can go "score"?
Cheech: "Dude …sup? Hey uh, I need some cash for gas man…"
Glenn: "Awe Dude, come on – my ride's broken and I gotta score, I'm Jonesin' bad!
Cheech: "It's a long way and…what was I saying?"
Glenn: "You were saying 'let's go I got gas man'!"
Chhech: "Party on brotha man!"
Planning a move to Cali so you can get a "medical marijuana card" hmmmm Glenn?
Yea, I don't know. lets ~test~ the filter:
"Obama is a jewish/Muslim terrorist messiah Nazi GOP Rightwinger, Bilderburg CFR commie!"
Fonz, is that you?
I'm not a fan of anarchy, but of tempered, understandable actions that any high school grad can understand.
Being a Libertarian, like anything else doesn't require me to buy into all of the package they may be selling.
I see no use in a "everything should be legal" mentality when we have so many larger fish to fry.
Personally, after being sober for 20+ years, the "legalize it for the taxes generated" argument means little to me.
If the current crew gets their way, a thriving black market will be one of the ways we will be able to deprive them of what they need to finance their takeovers of who knows what next!
You lost that one with the descent into name-calling and ridiculous calls for "along with your real name" — as if anyone has any assurance that "Glenn" is your real name.
Go read James Madison and John Jay. Then get back to me about the "dangers" of "collapsing religion with politics". You might also want to check out statues in your local city, prayers issued before Congress, "God save this honorable court", and on and on.
Appreciably understood. There are many basic tenets of Libertarianism that I agree with. My problem is that those tenets aren't unique to Libertarianism, but a part of a broader conservative tapestry.
That's fine too. I think that we agree that splintering the conservative vote in all it's variations only serves liberalism.
Liberal "progressivism" is the enemy of all freedom loving people everywhere.
Getting side tracked with legalized(ing) drugs, and other pap could serve to take conservatives eyes off the ball, which is of course – defeating liberalism.
Well said. I think remaining engaged and holding the Republicans accoutable will be our next challenge. I am so sick of their duality! But atleast, as stated in the article, they have the easier (shortest) pivot to make.
Did I hear matthews call Chris Cristy a "dull Republican candidate?"
Tell that to the mafia-installed New Jersey power brokers and double dipping officials. Tell it to the corrupt democrat/union bosses who are getting handed their walking papers. Tell it to the bloated bureaucracies that are losing their place at the public trough.
I know, I know, matthews is deranged and all. But if you want to use the word "dull" to describe Cristy's tenure so far, maybe the best phrase would be "The Night of the 'Dull' Knives."
Stick it to 'em Cristy.
Conservative thinking: "It's morning in America…"
Progressive thinking: "It'll be Mao in the morning…"
Any questions?
Good point.
So…what? You don't like drugs? Are you a JW? Do you not take aspirin? People die from aspirin overdose, nobody has died from pot overdose. The only thing that should be illegal about drugs is peoples irresponsible use of it. But then, wouldn't irresponsible use of a drug be punishment in itself? Or is your argument that a person isn't responsible for their actions? You say this "You KNOW nothing of the misery and desperation that prolonged drug addiction can cause, do you?" What about caffeine? What about alcohol? What about sugar? What about cholesterol? Where does the "behavior" laws stop? You may say "Sure, take away that pot! It just makes him more amiable! How dare he be amiable, " as you chug down a sixpack. But when they come for your beer (again), you might have a different attitude.
"For now, donkeys aren’t flying,…"
Sure they are! Mostly on Gulfstreams and Air-force G5's, and of course AF One. And we get to pay for it all.
I just can't wait til they crash and burn. I just hope there is someone there to pick up the mantle and govern accordingly.
One way to take it back is through i-caucus. Ari David was interviewed by them and I think the voting process is over. What a great opportunity to find out where the candidates stand. Chuck DeVore is supported by i-caucus. Right now they are voting for the candidate for gov. We the people can do something, it worked in Utah, it can work in CA.
NO!
There is no rehabilitating the MSM's relationship with ordinary Americans. The MSM has shown its total lack of trustworthiness, and then turned around and so deeply insulted us that they can NEVER repair what is lost.
TO HELL WITH THEM ALL.
ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR – they all belong on the ash heap of history.
And I say, keep laughing at them when they find themselves standing in the bread line. Keep laughing all they way up to the point in time that they show up at a tea party, old hat in hand, asking for help from those "ordinary Americans" who work, raise families, run businesses and defend our country. And when they ask for help, send them to a church for a hot meal and a warm bed, a little love, and give them a card with the name of a friend whose business could use another hand.
And THEN they will be worth trusting again. If they actually go to the church and then show up for work.
no mo
That be de stupidest, white woman I ever see…Talk 'bout boring…Typical crackers, likin' someone that rags on Obama…you mf just jealous, 'cause he gots a stash that ain't fo' white peoples…That's the change we be talkin' 'bout…Dig, honkie??
Right on! Tea parteries will vote for Republicans if they are true conservatives, not RINO's, and promise to hold to the values of limited government, individual freedom, and the Constitution, with a record to back that up. If the Repubs put up a wishy-washy candidates like Crist or outright RINO's like Scozzafavva, we will revolt and vote for a) a third party candidate, b) no one at all, or c) a conservative Dem. So yes, it's more likely that we will get some good conservative Republicans likely, but by no means are we Republican hacks.
Have we forgotten Jeremiah Wright already? 20 years in his church! He may be an opportunist who changes religions (or drops ithem altogether) based on politics, but he is no Muslim. Most Muslims think he is a continuation of Bush. If anything, he is best classifed as an adherent of black liberation theology, i.e. socialism.
Thank you Mr. Dennis, you are stating exactly what many of us who are conservatives first, and GOPers second have been feeling for a while now.
These complicite "Republicans" are just a big a problem as the unhinged socialist Democrats.
It's time real pressure is brought to bare on these enertia Republicans who are "greasing the skids" for statism.
Thank you Mr. Dennis, you are stating exactly what many of us who are conservatives first, and GOPers second have been feeling for a while now.
These complicite "Republicans" are just a big a problem as the unhinged socialist Democrats.
It's time real pressure is brought to bare on these enertia Republicans who are "greasing the skids" for statism.
I don't know what is wrong with the filter but many of us agree with you, keep figting the good fight!
By the way Einstein, there are mood altering drugs and medicinal drugs. I worked around controlled drugs from heavy duty chemo to anti-virals to pain meds, etc., for several years and I've smoked a couple of large Mexican fields of pot plus a truck load of cocaine and a couple of swimming pools full of voldka.
I know what I'm talking about, and you casual druggies need to get a f–king grip. One day that shit is running your life, not the other way around. Grow up.
what's a JW?
Weird. Maybe a technical glitch?
Cldvision
And their "duplicity" is fairly striking too….
thank you. Libertarins all seem face Missouri or the general center of the country , fire up a j-bird, take a deep toke and forget that there's a big world out there and it's coming to get us – if we let it.
No Libertarians get elected anywhere to anything except for Ron Paul and he has to call himself a Republican.
They want to build a big Easter basket grass wall around the country and quote Jefferson and Madison, both of whom are honarable heros and founding fathers but those two "Dads" didn't envision jet planes hitting huge buildings.
Of course some of these loons think the planes were being remote controlled by Dick Cheney because psst, hey you know, we d i d n' t s e e h i m on 9/11…shhhh. It's a conspiracy.
I'm a quasi-libertarian myself. In my opinion, the War on Drugs has been an expensive waste of money and humanity (although I personally don't do drugs – I'm a teetotaler), and I believe the states should have the right to decide their own stances on *most* controversial issues that aren't directly addressed in the Constitution. However, I'm uncomfortable with the LP's approach to terrorism. Relying on terrorists to run into ocean and drown themselves trying to get here is downright wrong.
The only way for the Republicans to continue to exist is if they are taken over in the primaries by the Teapartiers. In this way only will the GOP run candidates the Tea People can stand and the Tea vote is now as essential to the GOP as the Black vote is to the Dems. I really think though that the Rino's like Gingrich and Graham, McCain, et al, would rather be a minority forever than give up CONTROL!!!, The Rino's and Country Club Repulicans are as dead as Kelsey's nuts.The very people they need to vote them in can't stand their effing stench. I've never voted in any promary before, but I WILL VOTE in the Republican Primary THIS year.The Socialists and Rino's are no damn different, they have already decided how to divide the pie. They are the oligarchy, and the enemy.
If this is your attempt at sarcasm, it's in very poor taste. In case you may have not noticed, nobody is even replying to your inane comments anymore. We hold you in the same regard as we do Glenn the doper. You're irrelevent to the conversation. So try instead to focus your energy on your homework. Eight grade can be very trying for some; especially when they're always on grandma's computer.
Have you been in my neighborhood again? I like cleaning my guns on the porch, my favorite time is "America's night out".
The Libertarians will not deliver anything. They haven't delivered it as long as I've been alive, and that's primarily because of their addiction to drugs and their inability to understand that Muslims are serious when they quote the Koran and want to kill us all.
The time for reason and tolerance is passing. Drifter, I have seen your posts, they seem thoughtful and factual as have been most of the conservative arguments by people with a lot more political weight than you and I. Where has that gotten them? The result is that Obama has redoubled his effort to change the Constitution of the US to fulfill the progressive Socialist desires and wants, and, they are willing to FORCE THAT CHANGE ON ALL AMERICANS for their own benefit.
Would you use fact and reason on a thief who wants to take your stuff while insisting you "tolerate" his actions. Progressive Socialists press you to "tolerate" pushing God out of your life, "tolerate" murdering helpless babies, "tolerate" praising homosexuals, "tolerate" global warming taxes, "tolerate" illegals, "tolerate" big government and THEY WANT YOU TO DENY EVERYTHING YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE!
The time for reason and tolerance is passing. Drifter, I have seen your posts, they seem thoughtful and factual as have been most of the conservative arguments by people with a lot more political weight than you and I. Where has that gotten them? The result is that Obama has redoubled his effort to change the Constitution of the US to fulfill the progressive Socialist desires and wants, and, they are willing to FORCE THAT CHANGE ON ALL AMERICANS for their own benefit.
Would you use fact and reason on a thief who wants to take your stuff while insisting you "tolerate" his actions. Progressive Socialists press you to "tolerate" pushing God out of your life, "tolerate" murdering helpless babies, "tolerate" praising homosexuals, "tolerate" global warming taxes, "tolerate" illegals, "tolerate" big government and THEY WANT YOU TO DENY EVERYTHING YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE!
The time for reason and tolerance is passing. Drifter, I have seen your posts, they seem thoughtful and factual as have been most of the conservative arguments by people with a lot more political weight than you and I. Where has that gotten them? The result is that Obama has redoubled his effort to change the Constitution of the US to fulfill the progressive Socialist desires and wants, and, they are willing to FORCE THAT CHANGE ON ALL AMERICANS for their own benefit.
Would you use fact and reason on a thief who wants to take your stuff while insisting you "tolerate" his actions. Progressive Socialists press you to "tolerate" pushing God out of your life, "tolerate" murdering helpless babies, "tolerate" praising deviates, "tolerate" global warming taxes, "tolerate" illegals, "tolerate" big government and THEY WANT YOU TO DENY EVERYTHING YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE!
Well LOL, you keep looking good and credible while Obama and the progressives continue subverting the Constitution and push Socialism down your throat.
FYIThose posts were ALL in different articles, but thanks for noticing.
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Would you use fact and reason on a thief who wants to take your stuff while insisting you \”tolerate\” his actions. Progressive Socialists press you to \”tolerate\” pushing God out of your life, \”tolerate\” murdering helpless babies, \”tolerate\” praising deviates, \”tolerate\” global warming taxes, \”tolerate\” illegals, \”tolerate\” big government, and, THEY WANT YOU TO DENY EVERYTHING YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE!
\”Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.\” Recognize that? Look it up.
As for the Muslim thing, check the link and follow some of the links there, just for starters, if you still think Obama is a Christian as he says he is then, we disagree.
gc58: Finally someone on target.
Jeff_in_Miami: I guess Joe Wilson was right, Mr Obama \”You Lie\”!
ITSJO: Excellent Post I would hope all posters would go to the site that is listed above, as it is very very telling. http://usataxpayer.org Send this to as many people as you can.
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I AM an old coot and I DO own a shotgun.
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Dude, fire one up! Whew, lick back and roll a fatty and mellow, you moron.
Who said anything about a sixpack you nitwit? I said BEER, singular, i.e. one beer. This may come as a shock to you, but there are people that drink A (1) beer (that's as in ONE beer) not six beers, not sixteen beers, not twenty six beers at a sitting.
Now, in your part of the trailer park that may be a totally FOREIGN concept, but it's not a foreign concept everywhere, tu` comprendes`?
If you think pot makes people "amiable" that's fine, and that's your opinion.
People I've know for 30 plus years of smoking pot are just "stupid", not "amiable" and they're mostly intellectually and emotionally handicappped. It's all they do, the smoke pot, whack off to the internet bestiality porn and sleep, oh and they smoke cigs when they're not smoking pot.
Pathetic.
I'm intrigued by this "astro turf coffee party" movement.
Was this created to show just more progressive divisiveness?
Maybe it's designed to protect the administration.
How bout' the formed their group to be some sort of "Gathering of Eagles" who rallied to oppose the radicals who were defacing' memorials in Washington during their anti war marches!
I'm guessin'……all of the above!
Are you a certified Lilbertarian Lunatic?
Maybe if you tried to be a little less abrasive…
"So, anyone who disagrees with you gets personally insulted? "
Wow. Talk about a complete lack of self-awareness.
You sling insults and get ticked off when they're slung back?
I'm going to vote CONSERVATIVE no matter the party. George Wallace was the last one that had a 'D'.
Wow…when the talentless hacks in the lamestream media are this afraid of those who attend tea parties and protest….it could only mean that the tea parties are the CORRECT answer to Obama socialism. The loons on the left will never be able to catch up with the tea parties….they just aren't swift enough.
The time for reason and tolerance is passing. Drifter, I have seen your posts, they seem thoughtful and factual as have been most of the conservative arguments by people with a lot more political weight than you and I. Where has that gotten them? The result is that Obama has redoubled his effort to change the Constitution of the US to fulfill the progressive Socialist desires and wants, and, they are willing to FORCE THAT CHANGE ON ALL AMERICANS for their own benefit.
Would you use fact and reason on a thief who wants to take your stuff while insisting you "tolerate" his actions. Progressive Socialists press you to "tolerate" pushing God out of your life, "tolerate" murdering helpless babies, "tolerate" praising deviates, "tolerate" global warming taxes, "tolerate" illegals, "tolerate" big government and THEY WANT YOU TO DENY EVERYTHING YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE!
Great pic of Flying Donkeys, For those in Rio Linda and trolls, it depicts the corruptocrats under the weight of their massive spending.But it does give a bad impression of donkeys, they're smarter.
Good sarc! LOL!
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Fantum Now you a tattle-tail?
You still reminds me of a white trash old coot, sittin on the front porch of his shack in KY, wit a shotgun on his lap..
The Republicans and the Democrats are both huge multi-faction coalitions. To say that either is doing good or bad without qualification is at best naive. If the GOP is stupid enough to nominate a candidate that is in favor of a larger government than the Democrat, that GOP candidate will rightfully lose claim to the Tea Party organized groups and the voters that affiliate with them.
I recommend that you look up Lowell Weicker and the creation of BuckPAC. Past a certain point, a conservative's loyalty needs to split from the GOP if they behave badly enough. What that point is might be a worthwhile conversation. The existence of that point is not.
What brain surgeon figured that out that the tea party people don't like Demos and in general, politicians. They will change the course of this country's political history and I think both parties will be sorry. I honestly feel sort of sorry for the demos and repubs as they don't seem to get it with the WILL OF THE PEOPLE – telle est la vie i.e., such is life.
jensad
"The other side"
hmmm… kinda depends on which side you think the Constitution is on.
And I am pretty sure, it's not on the leftist statists' side.
One Vote wrote:
"The dems can always count on the entitlement voters and the government employees, but that isn't a sustainable position."
Looks like the Democrats are trying to increase the number of entitlement and Government employee voters as fast as they can. Already nearly 50% of the country doesn't pay federal direct taxes. We have to put a stop to that and fast or there will be no going back
There are/were some Tea Party folks at some of the networks, but it seems like with their latest round of layoffs, that's who went first. They are the guys (and gals) in the background – running camera, dragging cables, writing software, you know, the technical stuff that works by logic, not by wishing it works
The most important work for the Tea Partiers is to correct the Republicans. The greatest threat is that some handful of Reps will roll over and give the Dems what they most desperately desire: the deniability of bipartisanship. There is no point trying to correct the Democrats. Those few who are salvageable will turn from their fellows on their own. Abortion re Stupak demonstrates this. Losing the Hard Lefties and moderates simultaneously as they are, I really don't see much institutional threat from the Dems absent the shield of bipartisanship, which was ever fraudulent anyhow.
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