Useful Idiots: Religious Tolerance

I'll throw something into the religious tolerance equation that nobody has brought up, especially when it comes to government intervention, or non-intervention, whichever the case may be. There were some other folks who wanted to practice their own version of religion. The government frowned upon it, and attacked them, held them under siege, and ultimately burned them to death. This was not in olden times, not in Biblical times. It was current.

They were the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.

Great toon! …and illustrates liberal hypocrisy perfectly.

not just guns, Stan,,,,they had an ARSENAL !

arsenal = any collection of more than 3 guns stored in one place…..
which can consist of a hand gun, a shotgun, and a long rifle.

Now tell me……Why on EARTH would anyone NEED more guns than that?:-D
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Bingo!!!! Those two panels sum up the issue perfectly. No words further needs to be said. ;0)

You're exactly right about this, CL. The feds had plenty of opportunities to nab Koresh when he was out of the compound, but instead insisted on forcing the matter in such a way as to leave all of them, women and children included, burned to death. Wasn't one of the original claims that the gubberment had to stop the 'abuse of the children'?

This was the beginning of my realization of just how EVIL slick willy and his fellow demoncraps are.

It would be quite fine with me to start air-lifting plane-loads of progressives to islamic states, since that is the only kind of "religion" that seems to be ok with them.

If our being branded as 'islamophobic' results from our refusal to allow the mooslims to usurp our domestic government through the takeover by their foreign government – sharia- then how curious it is that our own media is in league with the islamofascists to try to use our own freedoms against us. This is where we Americans have to wake up, take a stand, understand and put into practice the distinction between respecting religious freedoms and fighting off a foreign invasion bent on domination and elimination of our way of life.

Hahahaha, I hope you do for everyones sake

"Islamophobia" is more of a taunt being bantered about by our vacuum-filled talking heads than it is a reality. Afraid of them? If I suddenly found myself stranded in an islamofascist state and knew that they were on the hunt to find me, then a bit of fear would be rational. But right now, America is the last great hope of humanity for FREEDOM! Let's keep it that way! Which means- let's resist every effort of the islamofascists to usurp our government with their murderous deathcult!

Islam = Copycat religion. End of story.

Let's not forget, the goal of the Left is to attack all American traditions which have produced excellence and strength. To do this, they will pair up with whoever shares the desire to cut America down to size.

No way!. Keep them in good shape, use them well and preserve them for posterity!

They aren't getting any easier to re-acquire.

Because your intent is to de Islamify our nation. Your error is forgiven. Now where did I leave my coffee.

Don't you worry none. I can and until the day I die be very capable of arming and entire city block.

………….."The government frowned upon it, and attacked them, held them under siege, and ultimately burned them to death"
Damn Bush !!!
/sarc

How about all Christians get into the habit of praying openly (and demanding the right to do so)–in schools and public places like airports and federal buildings. If Muslims are being accommodated in order to do so, why can't we? How about prayer times, prayer rooms, ritual foot baths, etc. like some public schools and universities are granting Muslims? Let's drive the all of a sudden "pro religion" left crazy and if they try and stop us, sue them like the flying Imams did U.S. Airways!

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has pulled a tank truck up in front filled with hog blood and water and flooded the joint. Although I think they should wait until all the money is spent to build the darn thing. I mean to them 100 mil is chump change. So done once how many mosques are there in our country.

This government and their shill partners, MSM’s will placate to the progressive agenda no matter how extreme it needs to get in their eyes. The two main faiths that will continue to be persecuted in today’s times will be all faiths following a Christian doctrine and the Jewish faith. History repeats itself. I believe all Americans firmly believe in freedom of religion, including Christian and Jews. For some though, it doesn’t dwell deep enough in their hearts.

Progressives/liberals, etc. will pull examples of religious intolerance from ancient history as their example of Christian and Jewish crimes and turn a blind-eye to the religious intolerance that is prevalent in real time. And this intolerance is NOT Christian or Jewish based. No matter how hard we try to send the message that this mosque being built at ground zero is not about religious intolerance but rather about the sensitivity on behalf of an atrocity against America and its citizens, progressives/liberals/MSM’s will stick their fingers in their ears, yell “la-la-la-la” like a bunch of immature kids and continue to bash Christians/Jews as the ones who are intolerant of other religions. THAT is the example of REAL intolerance. It’s almost as if WHO can make the biggest noise to block out the truth. But make not mistake; they are VERY concerned.

I am not one to boast strict adherence to my Christian faith. I am human and succumb to human temptations. But I do know right from wrong and respect the faith of others and do not force my faith on anyone. And while my faith suggests a “turn the other cheek” approach to any given situation, there comes a point where I must stand firm in full support of my beliefs for the sake of my survival. I will NOT denounce that faith for another and I will NOT be forced to submit against my will. I will die for my faith, my country and my family. I refuse to surrender to an ideology that puts a “Man” above all men.

There for a moment I thought you were talking about the Obama's buddys at the Weathermen.

Most things that go wrong with society is caused by big government. Have you ever wonder why that is?

This quote from Jefferson has served me well: "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." — Thomas Jefferson

It's real simple. Any religion has the right to practice its faith right up to the point it violates the laws of this country.

Why is this such a difficult concept?

Koresch wasn't wanted for being the son of God or having a few loose nuts who bought his schtick. He was wanted for child molestation. He violated the law. Those loons waiting for the mother ship? Suicide is ILLEGAL. If one had survived, he COULD have been prosecuted.

So believe and do what you want in the name of your religion, you're still accountable under civil and criminal law. And unless God shows up to represent you in court, prayer book in hand….

you're goin down.

Agree wholeheartedly Freedom and I'll ask,,,,,,What the HELL did we the citizens of the USA

and the State of TEXAS do to stop the FEDs from their insane power trip??? Not one damn thing….
we stood by and even watched on tv and bought the 'narrative' the media fed us……..

And once again the US Gov't will use this same template to divide and conquer us one group at a
time. Will anyone stand up and scream NO, you can't do this to these folks? We'll see.
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Ha! can you imagine if the Left and right came to an armed civil war? The libtards would need the inner city gangs to protect them.

Yeppers and frankly that would be akin to killing two birds with one stone.

Yup, The enemy, of my enemy, is my friend!! That is their unspoken cry!

Rolly

I might be a little bit too young for this. I remember it being on TV when I was in Middle School. Now I tried brushing up on this on Wikipedia, and I'm getting something like this:

Sect (previously led by criminally insane murderer George Roden) preaches that the world will end, and their leader, who claimed to be Jesus Christ, dissolves all marriages of sect members with the excuse that it is his duty to breed with the women. He'd apparently also had sex with girls as young as 12-13. Doesn't sound very Christian to me. Hell, it sounds rather Muslim when you think about it. Especially so when the pedophile was stockpiling heavy weaponry to defend his little harem.

Anyway. ATF lies that the sect had a meth lab to get military resources and stage a raid. Gunfire is exchanged, the place is put under siege. Brutal tactics are used, and the whole thing ends in a fire. Dozens dead. Now, I can see why it's not exactly a happy ending. And I can see why a number of federal agents should lose their jobs, and some possibly be investigated for crimes.

But is an apocalyptic, heretical cult involving polygamy and pedophilia really something we have to tolerate and defend? Just like with the spread of Sharia, I'm getting tired of tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Why can't we call out the nutcases and say enough is enough: if you commit a crime, you go to jail, whatever you call yourself.

Dude, I gave you a thumbs-up for trying to educate yourself before responding, but MAN-O-man, you blew it when you went to Wiki.
They stopped receiving my yearly donations in 2007 after I learned that they had ultra-left-leaning editors who absolutely DELIGHT in deleting anything that has centrist or conservative views. In fact…

Beginning in February 2003, William Connolley rewrote Wikipedia entries on global warming, the greenhouse effect, the instrumental temperature record, the urban heat island, on climate models and on global cooling, according to the report. In February, he began editing the Little Ice Age. By August, he began to rewrite history without the Medieval Warm Period. In October, he turned to the hockey-stick chart. (WND "History of climate gets 'erased' online" More than 5,000 entries tailored to hype global-warming agenda 12/21/09)

Wikipedia would never allow the disaster created by AG Janet Reno under Slick Willy Clinton to be recorded on their progressive-polluted website.

As Americans, these people had a right to a fair trial before a judge and jury. They did not deserve to be burned to death – no matter WHAT they did.
But this shit is OKAY with the God-hating progressives, they'll allow religious leaders, followers and unborn babies to be slaughtered, but douchebag cop-killers on death row are to be aggressively defended.
Sad, sad mentality of the liberal gray matter.

It disgusts me that no matter how hard we press the point that this is NOT about freedom of religion or worship and it is all about building a Victory Mosque in order to celebrate the bloody defeat of America in the battle of 9/11/01.

The Greek Orthodox church cluster foque, when compared to the expedited approval of this monstrosity also comes into play.

All I know is that James Hudnall and Val Mayerik hit the nail on the head with this one; my kids have never seen Christmas decor in their schools. They were never taught the carols or Hannukah (sp) songs that we enjoyed as kids. They've never seen a mange/nativity scene in the town square, nor have they seen a Christmas tree there.

It just amazes me that the liberals have suddenly become the "defenders of Islam" and "religious tolerance." But is anyone surprised at their hypocrisy?

TrueBlue- we are not so far apart. I would like emphasize that a class 3 FFL violation is still to this day not a capital offense, if in fact there were full-auto weapons possessed without the "proper licensure". The BD debacle was an absolute travesty of innocent until proven guilty, and a damnable circus of stupidity on the part of the government. Ultimately, the government could have used any of hundreds of other tactics to keep from murdering numerous innocents. They were in a compound for crying out loud. Build a fence around it and hold court right there. Declare what's inside the fence a prison if they are found guilty.

Considering that the Swiss have full-autos in private possession without the bloodshed read about in our rags, I consider the distinction between an illegal type of gun and a legal type of gun to be a technicality much more gray and trivial then whether or not it is right or lawful for our big government to burn 80 people to death .

"But is an apocalyptic, heretical cult involving polygamy and pedophilia really something we have to tolerate and defend?"

Are you granting the go-ahead to give the moooslims the big shove-off? Just asking…..

Meanwhile, the incineration of the whole lot of BDs was shocking on the part of big government; unlawful and wholly unprofessional at the juncture wherein their actions turned into a vendetta. If not, then let's apply equal BD justice to those who want to usurp our government and replace it with sharia.

Rebas it's kind of a theme of mine,,,,,,people may get tired of my asking those uncomfortable
questions but I will nevertheless continue to ask at every opportunity.
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Hey, I support a Catholics' right to build and burn a 25 foot cross on their front
lawn like any other white sheet wearing American – and yell at the top of their
lungs, "We shall not become a nation of mongrels." What's the harm?

Never? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege
It even includes statements about unproven allegations, and deception about the use of incendiary CS gas. How about that.

All Vernon Howell had to do to get his trial was surrender. Then he could have gone to jail as other "religious" and sexual leaders like himself have. Instead he placed staying out of jail ahead of the lives of his followers, and committed a form of "suicide by cop".
How does attacking Clinton and Reno justify endorsing that choice?

I agree….calmer heads should have prevailed. David Koresh routinely went into town to get mail.
I love the Swiss as well, (Got married there)..Their country actually gives them ammo to go practice with once a year….lol. That is pretty darn awesome !!! Their households are full of automatic weapons and you don't see chaos in the streets!!!

Why Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449g&fe...

Amanpour,,,, is was ugly dude

Needless to say Jesus was/is no dummy…..the consummate pragmatist.

Makes me realize just how spot on the Bible really is…….

"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his lord.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do to you for my name's sake, because they don't know him who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have had sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates me, hates my Father also."
John 15:18-23

We don't exactly who, but we have sufficient evidence that not all of the fires were ignited by the CS gas cannisters.
And it still requires a considerable effort to assert that the government willfully and deliberately set the fires with the intent to kill everyone inside the building.

Would I have handled the situation differently?
Definitely.
The critical thing is to never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Or say it was deliberate. You can find just as many accusations against the FBI going back to the "glory days" of Prohibition, and the deaths of Most Wanted criminals like Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, and others.
Nobody is particularly outraged about the deliberate ambushes set up for them, but this incident drives people to a frenzy because of the presumed "Christianity" of a man who openly admitted to bedding pretty much every female in his cult.

And just as an aside, how many other Seventh Day Adventists, regular, Davidian, or itherwise, have been charged with similar activities? Many? Few? None beyond individuals acting outside the church?
So again, you still have to overcome the innate nature of the cult involved to be able to place anything approaching a majority of the blame on the government, willful or incompetent, for the events.

2)Any cop involved in "suicide by cop" has the choice of whether or not to cooperate. Meanwhile, plenty of other sectors of society have offered up ideas for tactics to diffuse a situation. Have you ever seen the comedy 'Support Your Local Sherrif'? Have you ever watched, I believe it was called 'Fort Apache, The Bronx'? Of course, they are just movies. But in real life, once the driving force behind handling the naughty BDs became vengeance, the kind of professionalism and prevailing cool heads that could have meant all the difference for kids soon to be toast was out the window. The result from the actions of the 'cops' were perhaps not intended, but the welfare of the innocent victims sure as hell was not prioritized as highly as it should have been.

Their "very own"?
No, Clinton's "very own" are his Secret Service security detail, and more generally Delta Force and other elite military special force units.
Reno's "very own" is more likely the Counterterrorism Division.
That is of course presuming that any military unit can be called the "very own" of particular individuals in a republic.

As for why they didn't try to arrest him while he walking down the street, you need to ask the local director that. Projecting motives onto him because you do not like the end results is far from fair.

Then blame the people responsible for keeping those kids in the compound – Koresh and his followers.
Then blame the people responsible for the warrants in the first place – Koresh and his followers.

Of course that means Clinton, Reno, and people who simply decided to work for the government and got caught up in a situation where people died cannot be accused out of hand.

Federal, man. Federal. Not local. Motives are being held suspect here, not projected…….except by you.

Bronxzzzzzz, it would be awfully presumptuous (and incorrect) of you to think that I don't ultimately place a lot of the blame on David the waco-job Koresh.

The charges born on those warrants needed to be first proven in a court of law before punishment was levied, and punishment in no way, shape or form from any court in this country would have included burning kids to death. Therefore, the actions taken to execute the warrants should have been measured to the extent of successfully sorting out the perps from the innocents without collateral damage.

And after that incident the FBI created a special unit for such situations. Were they supposed to foresee the problems and create the unit ahead of time?

And for projections, I have yet to match yours. You have accused the agents of wanting vengeance and acting with malice as a result. Do you have any evidence for that? If not, then you are projecting what you presume must have been a motive onto them.

Interesting tactic. What's your point? Wondering if I ration my sentimentality? Absolutely. Life's not fair, I guess.

It you are trying to defend the idea that law enforcement doesn't have to progress into the twenty first century with all of the psychological information now at our disposal for dealing with unhinged folks, then you are not choosing a winning position.

lol…I was asking my husband this earlier this evening. I was saying, "Arachnophobia? Oh yeah, I'm guilty. Islamophobia, homophobia? I don't think so. I have never, EVER attacked a Muslim or a gay person with a shoe. Never even screamed or jumped up on a chair when I saw one."

I will take (if not completely agree with) your point about the Davidians. No one shold be moruning those nutcases. But the idea of a weasel like Clinton deciding who is and who isn't a danger to America is something that should terrify everyone.

"Or are we going to allow jihadists to stockpile weaponry on American soil, too?"

Hate to break it to you, but we kinda already do–they're called "sleeper cells" and at this rate of muslim conquest of the West, they won't be sleeping much longer.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that there is both a "left" and a "fringe left". Please explain.

I really do hope one day the left declares an all out civil war. It would be the funniest, bloodiest 15 minutes in this country's history.

The left's two proudest traditions: hypocrisy and really ugly women