It’s not fair to blame Beck for violence committed by people who watch his show.
This tiny journalistic fig leaf appears midway through Dana Milbank’s latest article for the Washington Post. The remainder of Milbank’s 750-word piece is devoted to blaming Glenn Beck for violence committed by those who watch his show. Or, more specifically, the violence of two specific men who had watched Beck’s show.

The first is Byron Williams, a two-time felon who was on parole, out of work, and living with his mother. Two weeks ago, Williams was stopped by police en route to “start a revolution” by killing members of the ACLU and the Tides Foundation in San Francisco. We don’t know where Williams heard about the Tides foundation, but based on an interview with William’s mother, Milbank implicates Beck. Of course this is, at best, guilt by televised association. Glenn Beck has never met Williams or encouraged him or anyone else to take up arms against the Tides Foundation (or anyone else).
And this turns out to be Milbank’s best argument. When he tries to offer the proverbial 2nd point required to draw a line, he blows it completely:
In April 2009, a man allegedly armed with an AK-47, a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun was charged with killing three cops in Pittsburgh. The Anti-Defamation League reported that the accused killer had, as part of a pattern of activities involving far-right conspiracy theories, posted a link on a neo-Nazi Web site to a video of Beck talking about the possibility that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was operating concentration camps in Wyoming. The killings came after Beck told Fox viewers that he “can’t debunk” the notion that FEMA was operating such camps — but before he finally acknowledged that the conspiracy wasn’t real.

Here’s what really happened. On the morning of March 3rd, Beck appeared on Fox and Friends and teased a story about the so-called “FEMA camps” (air-quotes his) which would be run on his show later that day. During this morning appearance, Beck did say that, so far, he couldn’t debunk the rumors and he briefly seemed to say that there was something threatening about what the government was doing. However, he also made clear (twice) that these supposed sites were empty. So when Milbank writes that Beck was talking about FEMA’s “operating concentration camps in Wyoming,” that’s simply not true. He did talk about “camps” using scare quotes, but he never suggested these were operating, i.e. full of prisoners.
Later that day, instead of running the promised story, Beck backed off. He announced that he was working on getting the facts and would return to the story when he was certain. He then had a one- or two-minute discussion about the story with Ron Paul before moving on to other topics. As you can see here the conversation with Paul was not an endorsement. In fact, he poured water all over it. The discussion begins with Beck saying “there’s a lot of crazy stuff being said about these things…” to which Ron Paul replies “there’s no evidence that I can find that they are actually set up…” and Glenn Beck interjects from off screen “None.”
The segment ends with Beck saying “I want to make it very clear, I’m not fearing these things are happening. I want to set the record straight because we’ve got to know what we can believe in.”

The next day, on the white supremacist website Stormfront, a user with the handle “Braced for Fate” posted a You Tube clip of the exchange between Beck and Paul. He introduced it with just three words, “He backed out.”
Who is Braced for Fate? He’s Richard Poplawski, the man who a couple weeks later shot three cops in Pittsburgh. In other words, not only did Beck acknowledge the conspiracy wasn’t real well before the shootings (contrary to Milbank’s claim), we even have proof that Poplawski knew he’d done so. Poplawski didn’t post the Beck clip because he found common ground with the host. He posted it because he was disappointed that Beck was not a believer in the FEMA camp conspiracy theory.
The ADL page that Milbank linked to in his story leaves out this rather significant bit of context. (Hmm…where have I heard about the importance of context recently?) As a result, Milbank passes on the ADL’s error by omission. But the Post can’t be completely excused. If anyone had bothered to watch the clip in question, they’d know that Beck was very far from endorsing the FEMA camp conspiracy. Regardless of who is ultimately responsible for the error, a correction is due readers and quite possibly an apology to Glenn Beck.
Just to help the Post’s beleaguered and probably non-existent fact-checkers out, there were three errors in the one paragraph I excerpted above:
- Beck never said FEMA was “operating” concentration camps.
- Poplawski didn’t post the clip of Beck because it supported his views.
- Beck did in fact state his doubts about the story well before the shootings.
Finally, I can’t let this go without noting how Milbank’s treatment of Beck differs from his treatment of Barack Obama. Back in 2008 when Sarah Palin began talking about candidate Obama’s connection to semi-reformed terrorist Bill Ayers, Milbank made no secret of the fact that he found this sort of guilt-by-association distasteful.
He also didn’t like Palin’s mentioning Obama’s connection to his pastor and friend of 20 years, Jeramiah Wright. He described Palin as “angry” for trying to tie Obama to the two men, men in fact the President did and does know. And yet, fig leaf aside, Milbank writes this whole piece broadly insinuating that Glenn Beck has encouraged violence by two complete strangers. The double standard would be bad enough, but as you can see, Milbank didn’t even bother to get the facts straight.






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Blame, blame, blame Glenn Beck but not one word refuting his revealing the actual and scary intentions of the progressive movement.
Facts don't matter to this regime and their cronies in the state run media. Anyone who speaks out against this regime will be attacked plain and simple.
More disapointment on the left, that the deranged maniac in question, was NOT a sane TeaParty follower,
but an insane Leftist..
If a Tea Partier wanted to do something crazy, it would be done quietly and swiftly…with no fingerprints as to who the perp may have been…only speculation on the part of a really stupid MBM…(formerly MSM)
Once again exposes the MSM’s desperate attempt to reinforce their leftist narrative, pitiful!
Did anyone notice the “nut” that murdered eight of his coworkers in Connecticut. His family members are claiming it was because of, get ready, “racism!” So in keeping with the liberal logic in the piece above, (I know that’s a misnomer) …shouldn’t we blame the Congressional Black Caucus?
Election season has arrived in the full bloom of "slime time news", these hacks will bend every word everyone says to their twisted desires in a last ditch effort to bamboozle the voters.
Don't pay attention to them, they're showing their desperation and frustration with the knowledge that their commie pals are about to have their asses handed to them in November.
The one thing that this confirms is that nothing in the MSM is truthful or honest. If they say it was raining you can be 100% sure it was a very sunny day.
They Lie, They Lie, They Lie,.
Poplawski and his family are an embarrassment to all people of the Burgh. His lawyers will try anything to fight the charges (Poplawski is an unimaginative cretin and lawyers justify this by saying he has the right to representation), and the profession wonders why people dream of day when the lawyer has to serve with their client, parole boards and judges made to live with those they set free, and child molesters are placed together with general prison population for life.
Deceit, half truths and lies does not seem like a competent part of a business model when communicating with your customers. WaPo can't last at this rate.
Good article John but you missed the memo where it clearly states "All members of the left-wing media are entitled to their own facts." You'll find a copy of that memo sandwiched between the document authorizing the FEMA camps and the 3 million jobs saved by the stimulus.
The main problem is a complete lack of journalistic integrity. Until the LSM companies begin to go out of business they will continue to back the narrative. Journalism is no longer about THE truth, it's about THEIR truth. What really kills me about the LSM is that these people would be the first to go if they turn our country into a Marxist utopia. Marxists have no use for anyone who could possibly tell the truth. Government propaganda folks only, all others are shot.
80% of Beck's new views come from the free advertising that these idiots give him.
Go Beck!!!
MSM, throw another rock at Glenn, raise his ratings more! He wants to buy even MORE gold.
When a normal sheep that watches the MSM catches one of them in just one lie, their eyes open.
Milbank is a type of lefty I'm familiar with. "I know that YOU wouldn't be swayed by such talk by right-wing radio, but there are people who aren't as stable as you and people like Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity get certain people riled up and they can't help themselves, they just have to turn to violence. And that's what scares me. That's why we need the Fairness Doctrine so these poor, violence-prone souls can finally hear an opposing view and begin to heal."
Here it comes… Fear that SOMEDAY America might rise up and rid itself of the liberal-progressive disease is somehow more frightening than the fact that in the last 100 years alone, the liberal-progressive movement has actually murdered more than 100 million people.
Putting an end to liberal-progressives might actually be self-preservation for our planet.
Dana Milbank = Clueless Closet-Commie Hack Columnist Clown and Olbermann's Obedient Attack Dog
Anyone who claims that Glenn Beck does not try to incite reactions from his devotees is in la-la land. I don't think you can blame Glenn for it, but he must know the possible consequences of "teasing" a baseless story. The law is probably on his side, but judgment comes in many forms. The punishment could be nothing more than a few sleepless nights wondering if his words could possibly cause someone to kill. I'm sure he'll get over it.
"WaPo?" What's that?
I canceled my subscription some time ago.
I decided to stop sending money to an outfit that does mostly free advertising for the democrats. I can still get Krauthammer and Will online. That's about all I subscribed for in the end.
An additional upside is that I won't stumble across Gary Trudeau's editorial work posing as cartoons as I thumb through the Style section.
So will we see the same press that blaims Glenn for incitement of violence find the racism industry guilty of incitement of the recent Conn. employee that claimed he murdered coworkers due to racism, not because he was being fired for vidoe taping of him stealing beer from the company on several occasions? Will we see that? Will we see them take responsibility for instructing that individual to see racism everywhere, even while you are stealing from you employer, not to worry because you can play the race card? Highly unlikely. The silence is defeaning. The race baiter/racism industry has played a hoax on this country and the game is up. The saddest thing to me, is that those that have really suffered the fear, trauma, and human indignity of racism are at risk of being trivialized by the racism industry's game. Everyone is responsible and accountable for themselves, individually, and no one gets to hide in the crowd…not racists and not race baiters.
im convinced, by my own conversations, that these liberal pukes dont watch anything but select "edited' clips. A friend was briefly dating a lib lobbyist here in ohio, during our political discussions, all i got was "Beck says or believes this and that", things that Beck himself has denied, disclaimed and disproven, but the clueless lib had no idea Beck really didnt believe in the camps, or promote violence.
So how do you know the guy wasn't subjected to racism at his job?
"The saddest thing to me, is that those that have really suffered the fear, trauma, and human indignity of racism are at risk of being trivialized by the racism industry's game."
Show ONE example where Beck encourages listeners to "incite reactions". You lefties throw out these allegations without an ounce of fact to back it up.
So you justify the murder of eight on pure supposition that he “may” have been called the “N” word. Grow up, this idiot shot those people because he’s a loser scumbag who was caught stealing, neither of which justifies killing.
wohlfy, I'm not saying that Glenn is dumb enough to blatently encourage reactions. It's just the way he exploits listeners who buy so readily into the latest, most outrageous conspiracy. Beck knows what wolves like to dine on. Nothing compares with a big juicy rat, ya know?
I'm sorry, did it seem like I was justifying the murders? I didn't mean to imply that at all. I was responding to the author who assumed that the racism this guy was subjected to is baseless. At least, that's how I took it. But no, the guy had absolutely no justification to kill.
Again, provide an example!
Beck goes out of his way to push NONVIOLENCE as the means to deal with the opposition. In fact Violence plays right into their hands. The libs just want to tar the most effective speakers of the truth out there.
That said, A review for those who doubt:
HR Bill 645 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill...
feel free to go to the House of Reps web site and track it down yourself. It takes some work, but its in there.
And KBR has a contract http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kbr-awarded-home...
I don't know WHERE they are, but KBR got $300 million to put them SOMEWHERE.
maybe its all just innocent misunderstandings, or not
HR Bill 645 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill....
feel free to go to the House of Reps web site and track it down yourself. It takes some work, but its in there.
And KBR has a contract http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kbr-awarded-home....
I don't know WHERE they are, but KBR got $300 million to put them SOMEWHERE.
You are a useful idiot. Your arrival at such a ridiculous accusation is telling of your intellect. So a host of a show which he wants people to watch should not tease about what is coming up on his program? Have you watched TV long oh bright one?
Oh and you ignored the facts stated above showing the killer posted the clip because he was pissed Glenn passed on the unreliable story, not because Glenn encouraged him to do anything.
If I were to take your silly ideas and use them with Milbank, would he not be inciting reactions against Glenn by lying about what really happened?
Grade A dolt of a progressive, Grade A
the last time I watched Glenn he told us how President Obama has taken our pursuit of happiness and our life from us and he is working hard on our liberty. So am I to suppose that since I still feel free to pursue happiness and still feel that my life is mine, that I'm living a fantasy?
If I was a dolt, I'd listen to Glenn and would seethe at the injustice. Obama did that to me? Execute the traitor!
300 mil for what? trailers? okay, so they are preparing for disaster relief. Does the contract mention the trailers will be used for stupid reactionaries?
How is that inciting his viewer? Please give a valid example.
whatever toto. Your insults of my intelligence won't lower it one iota.
I am willing to bet big bucks that you have watched way more tv than I. It's not a point I pride myself on.
I do not blame Glenn for the cop killings. I do think he incites americans who are just a trigger finger away from taking justice into their own hands. And the injustices Beck harps on are exagerated.
WaPo – isn't that the company that just made a fortune off the sale of that magazine called "Newsweak"?
I agree, I think it was racism that made him steal that beer. And it was probably racism that made the security camera catch him doing it. No company in their right mind would discipline an employee who was stealing from them unless it was motivated by pure unadulterated racism.
If you see racism everywhere you look, you should probably get your eyes checked.
No response I see. You proglodytes love to throw out accusations without any facts to back it up. This may work on PuffHo, but on the Big sites you will be called out. You say "if I was a dolt". Take a look in the mirror. You will be surprised to see a dolt staring back at you.
I figured out a long time ago that there is no such thing as "unbiased" news reporting. IMO there never has been such a thing, only bias posing as objectivity. I can accept bias. What I can't accept is dishonesty. It's one thing to criticize Beck's "crazy" theories but they clearly aren't far enough out there for the left to criticize them on their own merits. If you have to resort to a blatantly dishonest misrepresentation of a commentator it only proves that your argument is baseless.
wohlfy, I'll watch glenn later and get back to you with another example.
I don't go to huffpo, except on rare occasions, so I wouldn't know.
I must say I've never been called so many names on any other conservative site. But I have a thick skin and enough confidence to let the names run off my back…
sorry sawdust, did I say the guy was fired unjustly? I am not implying it is anyone's fault but the guy. I just pointed out that it is jumping to conclusions to deny that racism existed at his workplace, unless the author knows something he's not revealing.
Your question perfectly makes my point. This man was a thief. He was a thief from an employer at a time in our nation when jobs are tough to come by…and he had the support of a union that would guarantee fair treatment in his workplace. He could have made his case for racism but, instead he chose to steal and then use the race card to rationalize his behavior. He could be a thief and suffer racism, not mutally exclusive. However, he killed people as a result of being fired for stealing, thus choosing to define himself first as thief and second as a victim of racism. That was his choice and he owns it. Any possible legitimate claims of racism are lost and if they were at all true, which now appears doubtful…that hurts everyone. So go ahead and ask if being called the N word is equivalent to murdering 9 people? Reasonable people begin to turn away and that as I said before, is the damage caused by the racism industry.
Beck gets blamed b/c he is the ONLY ONE in the media covering these radical groups tied to the admin. So he does the job trained journalists are suppose to do! Beck has one thing right anyone thinking of truly crossing the line and committing an act of violence or destruction of property will destroy this country. There are ppl waiting for an excuse to start something all it takes is one! What those ppl do not realize is that this admin IMO is banking on an "event". They want someone to take to arms so they can start their final move to go after gun rights and conservative media. It will leave your head spinning at how fast and devastating the regs will kick in. Do not give the SOBs the satisfaction, there are ways to beat them at their own game civil within the rule of law.
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Ok, your inflammatory opening comments, and subsequent, not so subtle, verbal retractions are beginning to bore me! I do applaud your ability to bring issues back to the middle, however, the obvious attempts to incite controversy is revealing.. Be honest, you are one of the higher paid trolls that Ariana has foisted upon us. Am I wrong?
you said "baseless" I just provided you with a basis. Beck talks about something cryptic. You call it demagoguery. I give you facts. You shrug it off. Facts, we don't need no stinkin facts. We just want to smear people.
Now, as you said, what exactly is that money for? A good question. Maybe someone should investigate before wild conspiracy theories abound. opps too late. Beck has a show to run, and sometimes stretches things. But most of what he says has a factual foundation, even if you disagree with the interpretation. and sometimes facts are upsetting.
…and the Old Media once again, ignores reality and just makes it up. What about the violent acts at the polls, the Tea Party rallies, the other events around the country that is committed by those obviously tied to the policies/philosophy of the current administration?
Report one, report them all. Quit making it up while you do it.
oldpat, if you are bored, you should try watching tv. I'm sure you can find some ultimate fighting, or a debate on FoxNews that will cure that.
I take it as a complement that people here think I am getting paid for this! I came here unwittingly and without incentive, except perhaps to stave off my own bordom. Thanks for your contributions. I am no longer struggling to find something stimulating to do!
and if anyone can tell me how I can actually get paid for posting my opposing views here, I'd appreciate the tip. Of course that would discredit me, but as long as I keep denying it, who will really know?
Another example? You never even came up with ONE!!
As are as name calling you were the one that said that Glen Beck listeners were dolts and that Glen was dumb. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.
Wait – Dana Milbank has written columns denouncing racism.
Therefore, Dana Milbank is responsible for the deaths of 8 people in Connecticut.
Well, you are a dolt ! If you continue to measure now against the future that Beck is painting. Lest you forget, the groundwork is only now being laid to restrict those natural rights (emphasis on natural) you have so thoroughly enjoyed then, and now, But I guess your narrow, progressive blinders won't allow for future vision. Play 'what if sometime'. Do some intellectual exercises, such as, explore the historical correlations between then and now. It may prove insightful as to what the future may hold ! (I'm trying to avoid the actual cliche)
I called his listeners dolts after being called a dolt myself on this site. I am not trying to claim that I take the higher ground. I poke back and I sometimes poke first. I doubt there are many here who haven't at one time or another. I just commented that there is just more name calling here than at other sites I've visited. I guess that's why I find this site so entertaining!
I don't think I said Glenn is dumb. If I did, I retract. I think he is a smart guy who knows how to work a story to get people outraged. It's good for business.
What can I say other than Milbank is a douche bag!
Wow. You really are hitting my paternal hot buttons. Christ, I feel like i'm having an adult discussion with a fledgling human being. But that's ok. Your absurd verbal fencing allows the mass audience a clear view from whence the progressive mind lies. BTW, "I came here unwittingly"..That mental insight says it all..hehehe
oldpat, I put more faith in my fellow citizens. I don't equate what is happening with a logical outcome of total tyranny. I find those who think it is inevitable to be the one's with blinders. Yes I look to history. When we try to limit freedom, the citizenship eventually rise up. We will not allow tyranny to take hold, no matter what inevitable outcome Beck illustrates on his chalkboard.
Kinda like the truth…As long as you keep denying it, YOU, will never know.!
You're losing it Rosehips. You are becoming so flustered lately that your verbal nuance is becoming glaringly obnoxious. Your becoming more personal and vicious, I enjoy it, but its not the you i've come to know??What up?.
Soon, real soon, you won't be fun anymore. Get some rest, return later, and lets get it on!
What I'm saying is that some people see racism where none exists. You may not be one, but I suspect that the Conn. shooter was. But let's assume for a minute he was the victim of racism. Did he get passed over for a promotion? Did one of his coworkers call him a nasty name? In his mind this may have "entitled" him to steal. And when he was caught and he knew he would be fired he went on a shooting spree. His actions show that he was clearly delusional and could hardly be a clear judge of others acts or motives. Unless we were there and saw overt acts of racism or had testimony of someone who did, you must assume that such acts were either fabricated or imagined.
oldpat, the fact that I have spent the good part of the last two days "fencing" with a pack of wolves gives insight into my masochistic tendencies. My mental condition is "confidential", between me and my doctor. But you can come to your own conclusions. It's a free country, despite what GB tries to portray.
I agree sawdust, as I've pointed out in other comments. There is a false perception among certain people that they are being discriminated against, or marginalized, and this provokes resentment. Much of the time, it's imagined. The outcomes are sometimes tragic.
I guess we will see a dialogue about this incident and we'll hear different perspectives about the racial climate in the workplace where the shooting happened. Should be interesting…
Yet you cannot provide even an iota of evidence of Beck inciting Americans. As far as this site having more name callers, try PuffHo readers reactions to conservatives. This site is tame compared to the many left leaning sites.
yeah, I heard that it's brutal over there at huffpo. I don't have much desire to go there. I much prefer to be on the defensive. haha
Gee…good response, there may be hope yet ! And my ill received point is, forestall what could be inevitable! Highlight the hot spots, and douse the fire before the forest burns down. Resting on our laurels has never been (historically, see: Chamberlain) a useful approach to perceived tyrrany. And never, ever deny that there aren't bad people out there that would sacrifice us all to reach their pot of gold…The love, peace, and flowers approach is cute, but unrealistic in this challenge we call life.(Do I sense that i have allowed you to coerce me into providing you ammo for you narrative?)
One at a time: "Pack of wolves" there ya go again..2. Mental condition. I figured there may be a doctor in play, and 3. It is a free country, for now! Thats what GB portrays. Waatch his full airings, more that once !!
He often weeps because he is the real deal..He makes no bones about it, he invites challenges, (no one has stepped up yet to deny(only denigrate) his presentations of clearly factual information). His opinions are his own, but I guess his massive audience bespeeks of mass hysteria. or, wait, maybe mass enlightenment?
What do you mean "at risk"? The poor of every color especially the special victim colors have been dumped on daily since not long after Dr. King was killed. His murder and the power vacuum it left set up a hole industry to use your word that claims to support victims of racism but can't fix anything because if the problem gets solved they would have to go out and get real jobs.
Can I threaten Beck and blame it on Milbank so I can stop seeing his shitty colums take space in a newspaper?
Sounds like a plan.
oldpal, you must take into consideration that I like wolves and have great respect for them. ya can't deny that I came into this forum and was immediately pounced on like some kind of new meat. Not that waving a juicy steak in the air didn't provoke the attack. haha
phantom, you should ask that of Sunny, whose comment is in quotes.
Beck can't be held responsible if his unhinged "chalk talks" incite violence on the part of the lunatic fringe of his audience. As he says, he's just a clown. Having seen a few of his crazier, breathless conspiracy of chalk talks (Stalinist building art in NYC, anyone?) I believe he's sincere when he says he's not to be taken seriously.
I only take into consideration the application in which the comment is presented. You presented the statement in a willfully negative format. And now you admit to coming to this site to proactively incite debate that may be counterproductive? Once again, you stymie me. On one hand you come across as a thoughtful, insightful opponent , then, the big 180 turnaround. I think that I shall change my tack when responding to you. It will now be my personal goal to incite you into a profound mental breakdownl. Maybe your 'doc' could use a few more bucks !
Knock off the backtracking moron. If you can't convey your thoughts the first go around, then please, obtain another hour of written communications 101 !
gawd, oldpat, knock it off yourself. You either misunderstand me or you have it out to prove I'm a hypocrite. I do what i want depending on my mood. My viewpoint doesn't change but perhaps the way I present it. I point out something and then analyze it and debate those who disagree. Debate is give and take. If I must stick to everything I say no matter what without conceding something, I'm as bad as the reactionaries.
I am not here for a grade or to gain your favor. If you don't care for what you perceive as vacillation, or hypocracy, I'm sorry.
And he read "inconsistency is a virtue".. The proof of your hyopcrocy is in your own words. And again the mental thing. It has become clear to all that are paying attention that your 'mood' dictates your response. Therein lies the hypocrosy. Your getting to be mucho fun! I'm going to advance my studies to include pshycotherapy! And please don't be sorry. Being on this site will necessarily cause you to be graded, (albeit abstractly). judging by a compilation of your previous posts, your certainly not looking for, or gaining the favor you ascribe to me. Indeed you malicious attempts to stir the pot speak for itslef.
You have it backwards. Beck incites his detractors into frothing fits.
Pretty strange he did not go to the union over racism on the job site. But racism is a good excuse for stealing from the employer? Nope.
You obviously don't watch enough of him. There may be "teasers" to his show. But only a nut would take a "teaser" for a show (and actually the news does it ALL the time) and react to it.
What you need to do is watch the ENTIRE show and pay attention.
You provided no good example and I doubt you ever will. I watch Glenn Beck pretty regularly and I have never seen him do anything that would make anyone react other than "I"m ticked and I'm going to vote in November." Unless conservatives voting is the threat you are talking about.
Wish in one hand and sh!t in the other and see which one fills first.
We must be vigilant of our freedoms BEFORE they start putting us in the gulags, not when they are about to. Then it's too late.
Your first link isn't working. It shows an error.
Okay, that link was working. Didn't see anything in it to raise suspicions. Just a way to prepare for disaster. Now, if you area saying that there is a hidden agenda within it, I'd have to say I'm not going there. There is nothing in the bill that gives any indication that it's not what it says it is.
If you want creepy, you should find the bill that Rangel has put forward about 2 years mandatory service (including military) service by all people 18 to 42 and the service to be done is whatever the President says it is.
Now that's creepy. Hopefully, with Rangel's butt on the line it won't go anywhere; it's currently in committee.
The second one seems a little bit more suspicious – "immigration emergency". What constitutes an "immigration emergency"?
Okay, that one is weird.
I think you are just a tad paranoid. Do you really think the Obama admin has plans to put dissenters in gulags? c'mon lady. You seem to have a little more sense than that. where did you get an idea like that? oh wait, don't tell me….
My point (and there wasn't enough room to really lay it all out) is this:
Socialism leads to economic destruction (see: Europe) or totalitarianism (see: China, Cuba, NoKo, Soviet Union, etc.).
So we'll either economically destroy ourselves or we'll turn into a dictatorship. That is, unless we stand up NOW and stop the "progression" toward either disaster. Things are not just going to fix themselves when you have the party in power doing everything it can to take us down the road to Socialism. So we're not going to just rely on hope, we're trying to do something about it.
an ENTIRE show? I'd rather be sent to a gulag. haha Seriously, i really can't watch him for an entire hour. I guess I am programmed differently. I used to blog with a group of people who got absolutely giddy when his show was about to start. They would count down to the start of the show. It really amazed me because I just don't see the attraction.
economic destruction in Europe? how is that so different from our own destroyed economy? explain our catastrophe? What destroys the right's credibility is that you want to go back and try the already failed "free market economy." Trickle down economics simply didn't work. But that seems to be all I hear conservatives suggesting we return to.
Unfortunately too many cling to the notion that we can bounce back from our economic failure. I have no doubt that the Republicans will regain control and I only wish the left would let them be to show us how they will return us to our former great nation. For one, you are destined to meet the same resistance you give to Obama. That will make your job all the more harder. That will be your karma. But regardless of the opposing forces, you won't succeed. The growing natural disasters we will face, brought on by our own disregard for earth's stewardship will lead to food shortages, a lack of clean water and social unrest. You kid yourself if you think it's possible to prevent a collapse of our society.
The left hates and fears Glenn Beck because he it's one of their MSM drones spreading the propaganda that they want the "stupid" American public to hear. If Glenn is so wrong about all his facts, I'm still waiting to hear or see the evidence against him. When all we hear is that his is a racist, a clown, a fear monger, etc…. Tells me that he probably is dead on with most of his facts.
The left also can't grasp why his audience continues to grow, even when he consistently raises politically incorrect statements relating to his faith in God and God's role in our country. The left elitists just can't grasp the fact that their thinking is actually in the minority in this country.
I for one believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins. He is my personal saviour and my salvation is not dependent on the collective salvation of anyone else.
If his chalk talks are crazy… how about producing some facts to back up that statement. I keep waiting for someone from the left to produce details and facts proving that Glenn is wrong.
Contrary to the belief of those on the left, some of us on the right don't just blindly follow whoever shows up on Fox News. I regularly flip to CNN and MSNBC to hear the opposing reporting on the news of the day. I regularly return to Fox News ("Special Report" with Bret Baier being my favorite) because of the obvious bias being reported on the other channels. I also do not watch Bill O'reilly on Fox News. I don't care for his style or show format. But if you want to talk crazy…. Watch "Countdown" with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. If you do you will double his ratings.
The governments job is to be prepared for crises. that's not a problem. but when they operate in secret, then there is no debate, and no oversight by the people. With a lack of transparency, theories and conspiracies will fill the void. When someone like Beck or the you tubers try to expose what is happening, they are attacked as crazy, instigators, or frauds. So, I present here evidence that these camps are not a figment of imagination conjured up to rile the crowd.
I have made no comment on their purpose, but I do note that a fence, once built, can be used to keep out, or in, and asks no explaination of who or why. When taken in conjuncture with the "civilian" corps(rahm+BHO vid youtube available), patriot act, DHS listing of peaceful groups, etc, it presents an ominous picture. If that is an unfortunate misunderstanding, it is the governments', not "we the peoples", responsibility to clarify it. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around. Until they come clean and transparent, they deserve all the expose vids and suspicion they get.
Milbank represents those in the media that are so intent on pushing their agendas that they don't need facts from any reliable sources because they can twist the truth with a new spin or even fabricate their own "facts" for their story. Everything that Glenn Beck reports can be verified by true facts and resources. If he makes an error due to inaccurate information, he admits it and corrects his mistake. The media is quickly losing their credibility with the public, as shown by their plunging ratings, by allowing this reckless and sensational type of reporting. Glenn Beck and Fox are building credibility through factual reporting, and thus their ratings are soaring. We want to hear the facts reported. If we want to be entertained we will go elsewhere.
Well, I don't expect everyone will like him. That's one thing. But to then say that he incites people to violence, especially when you can't even watch more than a few minutes of him, that's another, especially when based on an alleged "teaser".
Well, dear, our ecomomic troubles in this country are NOT because of the free market, but the lack thereof. Socialist economic policies that have been going on since at least FDR and compounded with more and more. Basically, the same thing as Europe but perhaps not as bad.
Put down the Kool-Aid, rose dear. You come on here to post and that's fine, but you are doing it without any actual ammunition. You just spout the stuff you hear on the MSM without critically thinking.
And there you go with the stupid AGW again.
Proof that you are just a left wing nut. You appear to want a respectful discussion, but I don't think you do. Go feed your cats.
The limited government movement has made a huge impact on the country in the last couple of years. The resurgence of pro-liberty ideas and organizations has mostly been due to the emergence of what has become known as the Tea Party movement, a limited government protest movement fueled by opposition to big government at all levels. Tea Party activists across the country have been driving public opinion and waking up Americans to the ideas of liberty, free markets and personal responsibility.
Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable… Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.
Martin Luther King, Jr. http://remembernovember.com/
I understand what you are saying. But right now I'm not going that far with that particular bill just yet. I know there was talk of some "civil national defense force" or some such nonsense. I know about the DHS report.
Yes, they should have to clarify. The best we can do at this point is to keep on eye on this bill and contact our reps about it and see if we can get some clarification.
I'm cautious yes and vigilant, but I'm not quite ready to go that far just yet.
lady, I really don't spout what I hear in the msm, as I don't pay much attention to opinion pieces but I read the news and form my own opinion. I don't think you will find me really regurgitating any one political ideology. I am an independent thinker, at least as much as that is possible these days.
and I don't blame everything on GW, but I do oppose those who forget that Obama is not to blame for all our troubles. I lost my job before Obama was elected, so that doesn't wash with me.
lol @ feeding my cats. How'd ya know? haha Actually my hoarding tendancies luckily doesn't lean toward collecting felines. Thank god.
Well, I don't live with you so I can only take your word. But if you look back at what you write, you may want to study upon on all the different political ideologies because despite what you think, you come across as a lefty. Now that's not an accusation as you are entitled to your opinion, but it's best to be honest about it.
Well, here's the thing, no one is saying that it's ALL Obama's fault either, except for things that have gotten worse because of what he and his cronies have done.
The trouble we are in is the fault of US for not paying attention, and for the Progressives in both parties taking us down this road while lying to us the entire time by telling us it was all Constitutional; and by changing our history, etc.
Well, I'll give you this much, you have the best sense of humor I've ever seen in a lefty.
well, I don't deny I'm a lefty. i consider myself far left in fact, although some might even consider me a fiscal conservative. I believe in fiscal responsibility and I find living beyond ones' means part of the problem we are experiencing in our country.
well, I'm with you on that.
thanks, I find too many on the left to be way too serious. That no fun. That is one reason I like hanging on conservative blogs. I have fun.
If you believe in fiscal responsibility then you should side with Conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) and Libertarians. If someone lives beyond their means and gets themselves into trouble, it's not my problem in the sense that my income should not be taken from me through taxes and given to them through some gov't program.
Charity, yes, to give a hand up, not a hand out.
I've made some stupid decisions in my life, yet I don't expect anyone to fix it for me but ME. That is the difference between left and right.
Please tell that to your fellow lefties – tell them to lighten up a bit and have fun with it. If you can't laugh at yourself, you can't laugh at anybody else!
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lady, I agree. I do side with conservatives and libertarians on many fiscal issues. But I would not consider myself conservative by any stretch. I identify more with libertarians, but when it comes to environmental issues, I'm all about saving the planet, and consequently humanity, at all costs. Even if I don't particularly care for most of humanity. haha
sadly, the left doesn't understand me either,
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