Pro-abort blogger Jenna Henry Hansen at the Huffington Post is typical of many in her dwindling tribe who feel the need to add this caveat when discussing abortion:
Every time I discuss abortion I find it necessary to mention that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. A person identifying her or his self as pro-choice supports a woman’s right to choose whether or not to be a parent at that time.
Were that statement actually true, a pro-abort would spend 50% of his or her time supporting the sanctity of preborn human life and 50% supporting the killing of preborn human life.

Of course, that’s not what happens. And I don’t know why pro-aborts are so defensive about it. Abortion kills a blob of tissue at worst or a parasite at best, so they say; big deal. The fact is that pro-aborts abhor any and all support of preborn human life. That includes conversations… for even 30 seconds.
Case in point, the ad featuring Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Tim Tebow of the Florida Gators that Focus on the Family plans to air during next weekend’s Super Bowl.
Focus on the Family is giving no sneak previews, but the spot, entitled, “Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life,” is expected to feature Tim and his mother Pam briefly sharing the story of her difficult pregnancy, for which doctors recommended abortion.
Pam and husband Bob were serving as missionaries in the Philippines in 1987 when she suffered a life-threatening illness while pregnant with Tim.
Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life. She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.
I can’t imagine anything wrong with retelling that story, but pro-aborts have gone mad about it. According to Reuters:
The Women’s Media Center and over 30 other liberal and women’s advocacy groups sent a letter to CBS… saying: “… we urge you to immediately cancel this ad and refuse any other advertisement promoting Focus on the Family’s agenda.”
The “agenda” being to send a positive message that there may very well be a silver lining to one’s crisis pregnancy… or you never know who you may abort.
I suppose pro-aborts would prefer an ad fantasizing about the abortion of Adolph Hitler.
Kim Gandy of the Feminist Majority Foundation was so upset she apparently forgot to take her daily testosterone pill before sending an email alert, causing her to commit the unpardonable sin of getting the Super Bowl game date wrong:

Kim seems to think airing Pam Tebow’s story of maternal love would lead to an anti-abortion terrorist attack. Not that it matters, since she is clearly on a John-Belushi-when-the-Germans-bombed-Pearl-Harbor roll, but CBS no longer has such a policy. According to Reuters:
But CBS said it no longer had a blanket filter on advocacy submissions for ad slots. “We have for some time moderated our approach to advocacy submissions after it became apparent that our stance did not reflect public sentiment or industry norms on the issue,” said CBS spokesman Dana McClintock.
Feminists have grown accustomed to their shrieking actually having some effect, but I hope CBS doesn’t back down. But even if CBS does renege and gives FOTF its money back (reportedly somewhere between $2.5-2.8 million, all from donations specifically for this venture) FOTF and the pro-life message will have already gotten millions of dollars worth of free media. And the ad will become an instant viral hit, getting millions of views.
The situation is win-win for our side.





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"LIFE" begins at conception, "DEATH" when you die. "PRO-ABORT" and "PRO-CHOICE" sounds so nice, but disguises the real word that the progressives won't use, that would be "PRO-DEATH". You cannot call it anything else. Dan.
They know public pro-life sentiment is growing as truth and technology is on our side. They can only get clients by keeping them in the dark therefore this attempt at censorship. They're losing the battle hence the desperation – yes – we're win-win here.
I think each person has to choose what path they take. But the insanity that the woman's groups show when anyone voices an opposing opinion to there's is well INSANE. They need to change there definition from pro woman's rights to just pro abortion because that is all they focus on now. The left in this country is definitely flying off the rails and are just plain unhinged.
I'm pleasantly surprised CBS would run with this…. the controversy is great for ratings Of that I am sure…Gets them alot of attention..Who knows where this could lead for them…Replace Katie with Megan Kelly (FNC)??
Just make sure you get the letters (CBS) right…
Its the end all to be all philosophical question: When is life a "sentient" life? When does it have a soul? Being an agnostic myself the answer is easy… If I don't know, simple reason says I should default to morality. Without "faith" to guide me I will support life before i support someones right to take it. Soul or no soul. It's not that hard.
Love how a commercial celebrating the "choice" to have a baby is said to "feed the anger and hatred" of pro-lifers. No, they are wrong. We will get the "warm and fuzzies" and probably tear up a little out of joy. It's the pro-choice folks who will walk away felling angry and hateful against pro-lifers.
Go ahead pro-choice folks, prove me wrong. Who is happy right now about a commercial celebrating life and who is angry and hateful about it? Dig deep, it takes character to own. Oh, okay- I understand, you can't do it- it takes character to own up.
Arg. I just read the screed from the huffpo. I love the way these freaks just pretend that the other side's arguments do not exist. She would rather tear down straw men and caricatures. That is much easier than engaging someone who has an honest disagreement with you.
For me, it is really simple. I believe it is a baby inside a woman from the second of conception. I have been blessed enough to be a father to 3 wonderful babies. I believe that abortion is the intentional taking of a human life. Therefore I object to paying for someone else to take a life using my money. If you must have an abortion, do it on your damn dime.
Only a zealot would object to the Tebow's affirmation of the joy of life. Get a grip.
What's shrieking are the consciences they can't quite kill. They're terrified this might be the ad that breaks through the lies they've told themselves so they're forced to see themselves as the heartless murderers they are. Like the woman who had to quit working for Planned Parenthood when she witnessed the baby trying to unsuccessfully avoid the abortion tool, maybe they'll have to actually see the tiny faces and hear the little screams of the innocent victims. God gets EXTREMELY upset at people and societies that kill babies and we all must stand before Him on Judgment Day.
The Tebow Ad has forced the feminists to take a long hard look inside themselves and they're not too comfortable with what they see.
Ahh we could only be so blessed to have Megan replace Katie.. Megan is not only intelligent but is beautiful to boot with a great personality and obvious character and common sense.
Actually come to think of it CBS doesn't deserve her, glad she is at FNC and hopes her career continues to grow there…
Everyone has the right to reproductive choice; Don't have sex with anyone that you are not fully willing to have a child with 10 months from now…. pretty easy choice…
Why Are Feminists Trying to Abort the Tim Tebow Pro-Life Ad?
Because they're mentally ill. Earth to feminist retrogrades, those that watch the Superbowl are not metrosexual leftwing pansies that eat tofu and tree bark while wearing a shirt that says "I love abortions." The fact that these bottom of the barrel cretins oppose a pro-life says all you need to know about them. Might as well refer to these feminists as hamas.
I believe in a women’s right to choose, and yes, I do devote equal energy to both sides of the debate. Do people really think social workers, doctors, nurses, or other advocates get there jollies out of abortions? Everyone hates the practice. Most of the “pro-abortionists” I’ve met are nice, gentle people trying to help women in some of the most horrifying life situations. I wonder how many of the people who are in the pro-life movement have ever helped anyone. Please, stop judging, stop hating, and start working toward real change in society that avoids women ever having to make this “choice”.
I think the word feminism need a new definition. If I am for women, truly worried about the state of women and their lives, their rights, their place in society, wouldn't I be especially concerned for Mothers facing difficult choices. And wouldn't I celebrate women like Palin and Pan and celebrate their stories istead of attacking it. How can you attack a Mother for choosing to keep her baby? Children are not punishments, as Obama stated when asked about his girls, saying that he did not want them punished with a pregnancy. Children are sacred gifts from God, to be cherished.
I bought the right to choose argument when I was younger. Before I took a close look at the development of fetuses that were being aborted. There they were sucking their thumbs, with fingernails, and their Mothers were killing them. And talk about a horrible idea, check out partial birth abortion sometime, it will make your stomach churn.
Are you normally this stupid or are you trying to impress us?
Brilliant! I horse laughed….tofu treebark shingles, and wipe your hands on the hemp slogan T shirt, Paper towels are not allowed!!! +1
"What's shrieking are the consciences they can't quite kill"
Exactly right!
Ha Ha Ha…hate the practice-love the pay check.
Oh, they sacrifice so much to provide life saving "surgery" to these women found in the horrifying situation of pregnancy. Or as the President says, they could end up being "punished" with a child.
Cold hearted murderers getting a paycheck…
I'm not being judgmental, I'm being honest.
You shouldn't talk about hating and judgement. As if pro-choicer's don't "hate" pro-lifers or "judge" them as militant wing nuts. You can not silence my opinion by labeling it in such a way. Just as I won't silence yours by calling out the hypocricy of "everyone hates the practice" Not many people go into a career to practice something they hate. That's just what they say so that they may feel like they are sacrificing their conscience nobly to provide a valuable service to poor women who couldn't say "no" when they found out that there was no condom in his nightstand.
Oh, and by the way- pro-lifers have been trying to work "toward real change in society that avoids women having to make this "choice" It's called abstinence- but, we can't ever expect people to be able to control their urges. that's just asking for way too much. Enablers make me sick.
The percentage of women who actually receive an abortion for medical reasons or because of rape and incest pales in comparison to those who get one because they couldn't control themselves.
Everyone hates the practice?
Then why are they hysterical over hearing a woman who chose not to have one?
You claim you devote equal energy to both sides of the debate yet you wonder how many people in the pro-life movement have ever helped anyone? I doubt you devote equal energy to bothe sides or you wouldn't be asking such an ignorant question.
Are you devoting energy to the debate at HuffPo, you know, where the hate is emanating from over an ad? And there's a lot of hate being directed at Pam and Tim Tebow, too.
Warren,
The people being referred to here are not those who work necessarily in abortion clinics for a living, but rather people who have a poisonous agenda to push that it's a woman's right to break the law and kill the most helpless among us. What do you call someone who kills? A murderer. That's not 'judging' in the way you mean it. I don't hate pro-choice people but rather feel pity for them. The real change that's needed will happen if hearts are changed by the love of Jesus to value all life and when women take responsibility for birth control.
Good point. I'm sure good 'ol Warren went over to HuffPo to leave a comment about how the ad was to celebrate life and they really should devote equal time to both sides of the argument…you know, because they are Pro-"choice" and all. Didn't realize that the joy of choosing "life" was such a terrible choice…
No, I think they make a lot of money off it. Abortion is a mega-million dollar a year industry that profits off of women in crisis.
That's the point —-SHE would have impact and lend immediate credibility to a MSM TV Net —–Plus she could get 15 mil a year.. I would really miss her on FOX —- One of these CEO will see the light ——-It's inevitable—-I think?
As a woman who has had an abortion I would hope that no one likes abortion, however if you think that the abortion solves anything or helps anyone you are sadly mistaken. It takes years and often therapy to get over the abortion. As far as I am concerned it is one of the worst types of abuse towards women and children evr invented.
Megan replacing Katie MIGHT get me to watching the drive-bys again, if only for the eye candy.
"Every time I discuss abortion I find it necessary to mention that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. A person identifying her or his self as pro-choice supports a woman’s right to choose whether or not to be a parent at that time." – Jenna Henry Hansen
Sure Jenna, whatever you say, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.
Vacuuming a BABY out of womb makes you pro-DEATH. Live with it lady.
Exactly Red. That's the bottom line, sadly. I have watched so many women close to me, so sure of their "choice". Only to suffer the most awful, agonizing guilt and remorse a woman can suffer-realizing they took the life of their own child. Out of the six woman (and girls) that I am writing about, not ONE was happy or even just accepting of what they did. With four of them, the pain lasted YEARS. Every "due date" that passed, every "death day" (for lack of a better word) horrible pain. The other two suffered until they got help from a counselor.
This is INTERESTING : "Feminist Majority Foundation – Equality around the world."
Does that include UNBORN WOMEN?
Does that include Saudi women?
Does that include "Islamicly oppressed" women?
Has anyone else seen the music video made by Nick Cannon about how HIS mother did not abort him? I have seen it. You know who he is? He's married to Mariah Carey (sp).
Being pro-choice and opposing the Tebow Super Bowl ad reveals the hypocrisy of the Left. . If they were really about choice then they would not be opposing this ad. They are actually pro-abortion absolutists. The only choice they will tolerate is the one that ends in the death of the unborn baby.
"the most horrifying life situations" – Warren.
Like becoming a mother? Like the billions before her?
So if "She" enjoyed the whole conception phase (mostly) it's the birthing phase that needs to be aborted. Got it. Perpetrators of this "horror" are the immoral enemy, not, as in your words, "nice, gentle people trying to help women".
What a terribble defense of the indefensible.
Hey, Warren…watch these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA
Or better yet, try this one and then get back to us.
http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html
I re order cable…Turned it off Super Bowl Sunday '09'….I only miss FNC…The rest is Gar-Baage….
I really feel that if the Government wanted to be responsible, they would do a study on this. They would do an honest study on the effects of abortion on women as apposed to the effects of giving up a child or choosing to keep the child. They should inform women of the consequences of abortion- not just the consequences of having a child. It is irresponsible for the Government to not support this. We should start a petition to have this study conducted!
Thank you for your honesty.
yup
i cant help to think that abortions have killed the one that would have a cure for aids , cancer . Besides think about all the taxes they would have paid if they had not been aborted. social security and many other things would be better off.
Warren …Are you serious? TimsHappyWife has it right…This is an industry…Big money involved…Follow it…
Got a word for you….ADOPTION…No death …only life…No poor choices involved…Think about it….
oh, but the stretch marks…and then what if the child may one day want to know who his birth parents are…the agonizing guilt. Why put her through such a horrible thing when she can just "get rid" of the "problem".
Yeah, and were selfish for wanting to take away their choice and Tebow is selfish for sharing his story of life…
I guess I just don't understand how people can defend it.
This article does not belong on BigJ. This is a ideological issue and, conservative Quaker that I am, the hysteria is coming from “your” side.
Call it murder? I don’t care. It is a superior option for an unwanted, unloved, unnurtured little person. There is nothing “sacred” about a life which is a living hell for a creature too vulnerable to escape.
No one “forces” a woman to abort, but “pro-life” wishes to force a woman to birth a child she might be unable or unwilling to care for. …Lady in Red
Stories of loved and wanted babies guided into adulthood successfully are wonderful. Have at it.
But, look to the SPCA model, also. For every contented puppy sleeping in front of a warm fire, there are many abused animals, starving animals, suffering animals. Yes, death is better.
We are not “above” Nature; we are a part of it. To think otherwise is arrogance God will punish us for. All of God’s creatures need to be treated with respect and, if killing is necessary, done with mercy.
Make a choice right for you, but be cautious in forcing your belief system upon others.
…..Lady in Red
PS: As I read the taunts leveled at “Warren” I wonder where all the love is.
If abortion rights are all about a woman's right to "choose", why aren't women "choosing" not to become pregnant? Are we to believe that women are so stupid that they do not know how to prevent being impregnated? This "Pro Choice" movement is nothing more, or less, than a eugenics push by the Progressive Left. It is despicable.
You are a true soldier in this battle against the" baby death squads"…Thanks for being "TimsHappySupportiveIntelligentWittyWife"
Those who demand tolerance from others the most
rarely exhibit the trait themselves.
Yes, because shoving an instrument into the skull of a child and sucking its brains out is oh so merciful.
Yes, absolutely. CONVICTION is a scary word because it might lead to REPENTANCE which would mean they would have to SUBMIT to a Higher Authority than themselves.
The saddest thing is that how bound they are to LIES and if they only allowed themselves to hear and embrace TRUTH, it would set them free!
That's true…and applies to nearly every liberal pressure group, from Gays to Socialists.
I have to give you kudos for your viewpoint and the willingness to state it. That being said, "sentient" life is not an issue for those who wish to quash this advertisement (free speech), for it is from this same mind-set that we get all forms of "Save The…" you fill in the blanks. The only thing I have not really heard yet is Save The Rocks, though, at some point, I am sure that that is coming as well.
Some people, John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar has, in the past, advocated that birth control be administered through the water as an effort to "stabilize" population growth. Now, I must admit that this position of Mr. Holdren's was taken about 30 years ago, but……take a look at China today.
"Sentient life" is not an issue with the progressives – look like me, think like me, be like me, cookie cutter life is.
As Ronald Reagan reminded us, the only people who advocate on behalf of abortion are those whose mothers chose life.
You are quite wrong. There are plenty of people who cannot conceive who are willing and able to nuture a child to adulthood. The choice is not – have a baby and be unable to provide for it's basic needs, the choice is have a baby and do your best to provide for it's basic needs, or give the child up for adoption.
And, while we are at it, please, as a Quaker, tell me what happens to the soul of the person who chooses the "superior" option of aborting and "unwanted, unloved, unnurtured little person? Better yet, what does the Quaker belief system hold as the fate of that "unwanted, unloved, unnurtured little person?
For the most part, in today's medically advanced society, abortion is the EASY way out. It's the way a teenager does not have to live up to consequences of his and her actions. It's a cop out. It is a way of never having to deal with the child you put up for adoption to come knocking at your door. It's a way out of the guilt. That's it. Abortion is a way out, not a way of coping, not a way of making amends, not a way of changing one's life, merely a sociological accepted way out.
Their whole egos are tied up in abortion and keeping it legal. It's a merit badge of contemporaneity. It also seems to be a sacrament in the church of their false religion, Illiberalism/Regressivism/Statism. I often wonder how it would work out if we required those who would abort to be aborted themselves at the same time. I'll bet we would find that they suddenly value human life a lot more than they did before.
We are running a series of articles about the Tim Tebow ad on CBS, so it is clearly a media story. Please watch for more on this subject tomorrow and later in the week.
If what you say is true, and I hope that it is, why do pro-choice (or pro-abortion) advocates who hate the practice attack those who support the alternative? Mrs. Tebow is telling the story or her choice, not forcing that choice on anyone else. Just as the people you refer to support those who feel abortion is their only choice, pro-life advocates support those who believe life is their only choice.
You are correct: abortion is, in many ways, an easier solution, a cop out. It is also the right choice — for some.
Again, there is a tone of moral arrogance in your writing. Some, perhaps, are not as strong, disciplined, as are you.
God cares for all creatures and we are merely the dominant creature on earth. God cares for the starving dog covered in mange. Once, while cleaning a vacant lot, my husband and I found a trash bag filled with dying new born kittens. While I cried, my husband smashed their heads — mercifully. God cared.
There are many children who need homes today, without women carrying to term who would otherwise abort. Probably, you could adopt a hundred Haitian orphans and not make a dent in the crisis there. …Lady, etc.
Ironically (and co-incidentally…?) I have never known a "militant" pro-lifer who has adopted even one child, but the myth that millions of parents longing to nurture a child not their own persists. ….Lady in Red
PS: Heaven, I believe, is made on Earth. On the other side we continue to reap what we have sown. Many moral choices are not simplistic. While I do not support situational ethics, insistence in the one-size-fits-all absolutism of the pro-life movement creates more pain and suffering than it knows. Or, obviously, chooses to understand.
What's worse is it's not about mothers who *choose* to become mothers of dead children. Studies have shown that up to 65% of women that have abortions feel coerced into having them. How is that protective of, much less empowering to, women?
I think it's really strange that an ad that only supports one "choice" over another garners so much hatred from those that are supposedly pro-choice. Strangely revealing, that is.
Dan i like very much what you say. I couldn't agree with you more
I think Lady in Red needs to go look in the mirror. Human beings are not dogs or cats or parakeets ( I have a few) or fish. So, it is OK to put a suffering animal down. I get it. No argument there. But to put down a human being because he may suffer? Hello……we all suffer, to some extent or another. Through the miracle of modern medicine, amputees can lead full and successful lives. Can a horse with a bum leg survive without man's help?
Lady likes to invoke God. Fine. Did God create man before or after all the other creatures of the Earth? Did God create all creatures great and small and STOP with man?
God gave man intelligence and as a result, the ability to evolve intellectually. While the rest of the animal kingdom has evolved since the beginning of time, only man has evolved to the point where he can save (medically) the life of almost any creature God created.
Yes, dear Lady, we are a part of Nature, but God's plan made us dominant in Nature and provided to us the right of choice. God gave humans (not animals or plants or rocks) the right to choose between good and evil. He gave us sympathy and empathy – something the rest of the animal kingdom does not have – they operate on sheer instinct. And, that is why they are lesser beings. We, as humans are above instinct for we have the power of reason.
In today's society, when a four month old "fetus" can live outside the womb and go home with his/her mother and father as a viable baby, to argue that abortion is the only viable option is a wasted argument.
In our arrogance, we seem to believe that "our choice" is God's choice. Nothing could be further from the truth.
And How.
The reason why "pro-abortion" and "pro-choice" is not synonymous is because if someone was pro-abortion they would encourage all pregnant women to have abortions regardless of reason. To be pro-abortion would actually be anti-choice as much as pro-life would be. This is common sense to anyone fluent in English. Please forgive me if that isn't your native language. Personally, I think that the Super Bowl is not the place for any kind of politics. (CBS banned a commercial several years ago from a church because it said gay couples were welcome. If you find that more provocative then you're an idiot.) You know, I think I'm going to start waving pictures of women who died during pregnancy complications because abortion was available in front of churches who care so much about life. There's over a million a year, so it shouldn't be too hard to find some. Hope you like it, sickos.
I think those that don't understand that a "fetus" is a human being are kidding themselves and it is truly sad.
For a "Quaker" you sure are judgemental, and pessimistic. Maybe Quakers arn't Christian anymore. Your attitudes about other humans sure seem to make that case
Omydeargod… I had no idea that Quakers believed in "better off dead." Wowohwow… I'm in utter shock because I can't even imagine a pro-abortion person coming right out and saying it like that and in such a tone of love, love while putting down a miserable, unwanted, unloved or nurtured litter of puppies… just drown them in a sac.
Anyone who *lives* has another day and another chance to "escape their miserable existence." Every child alive has another day and another chance to experience the beauty of God's creation. Every poor miserable person who isn't in a perfect situation who *lives* has another day to become an adult and find joy and redemption and love.
Thousands of poor miserable children in Haiti lived…. thousands of poor miserable children in Haiti died.
Living is the tragedy?
Is this why Quakers are pacifists? They don't believe in *saving* lives that are miserable, poor, unloved, unnurtured and above all unwanted?
I think that a *militant* pro-lifer would get ill in your presence, and not hang around you long enough for you to have a clue what they do with their life.
If heaven is made on earth and we reap what we sow… you reap piles of the dead Haitian children *lucky* enough to die in the earthquake.
Only, I think that would be hell, and not heaven.
I feel so ill.
Here, I thought in my first response to you that I was maybe going over the line… I first mentioned dead Haitian children and drowned puppies without ever reading your comments because those were the two worst horrible disgusting things that your attitudes that it's better to be dead could lead to… I meant to post a *warning*…. but it's too late.
It's too late for warnings. You're already there.
I'd always thought that Quakers had something admirable about them, a moral clarity that they were willing to make personal sacrifices for.
But all it is is a refusal to act, the non-violence thing, based on the excuse that it's really all virtue if "nature" is allowed to have its way. But it's a horrible lie. Really… are you going to kill food with mercy? Kill puppies with mercy? Kill babies or miserable, sick, unhappy and unwanted people with mercy, all the while crooning a loving song and convincing yourself it's because you love them?
Have you actually, in your life, killed a living creature with mercy? Have you put down a pet with your own hand? Killed your own food? Ever?
Don't talk about what God will punish us for or creating "heaven" by what we do on earth.
Don't argue theology with someone creating her own "heaven" by arguing that babies or children or the poor and miserable, the unwanted and unloved are better off dead.
Rather pray for her soul and that the "heaven" thus created isn't eternal and that God will relent.
Do the Feminuts not understand that all their howling is only going to make more and more people WANT to see it??? LOL
And speaking of the Feminuts, their numbers really ARE dwindling. As Tammy Bruce pointed out recently, all these Fem-power groups out there are just a ruse. The same people from NOW and Women's Media Center create all these offshoot organizations to make it appear like they have huge numbers and support. But the one thing these groups DO have in common is that they're all part of the leftist apparatus. Whatever forwards their leftist agenda is what they're really about.
I was 'punished' with an unplanned pregnancy when I was younger, and two weeks ago, my 19 year old son thanked me for choosing to let him live. Despite the concerned advice from many around me to about, I was blessed to have had something in me that told me the crisis of the moment would pass, but the pain of destroying him never would. I have never regretted having my son and I cannot begin to tell you what his words meant to me.
I have no regrets.
I graduated college with honors, got married to my son's father, had several more children and I am grateful every day that I have no regrets. It was hard and often frustrating. However, I grew up and learned that I was capable of facing a seemingly impossible situation and turning it around. I am proud of what I have accomplished, and I am okay with the example I have set for my children.
Oh my God. That made me cry.
I whole heartedly agree with Christina.
My original point was: this is an inappropriate, ideological subject not right for BigJ.
Personally — and this is *very* individualistic — I find the comments here distasteful. I am a conservative, very conservative. I detest MSM and its biases folded into news stories like egg whites into meringue. I like facts, truth.
If BigJ wishes to offend, turn away, the likes of me, sobeit. I am not hard to get rid of. If the people who have commented here are the BigJ "target market" and these are the sorts of verbal "high fives" it wishes to share with others, fine.
I do not wish to change anyone's committed religious position. Simply, I do not like reading about it here. ….Lady in Red
Your local "Choice" Clinic doesn't have an Adoption wing, nor a Family wing. It only has an abortion mill. I don't see the choice. While adoption agencies do not have an abortion wing, they do not claim to be pro-choice, they only assert that they are pro-life. The main reason that Feminazis and pro-aborts despise and fear this Ad, is because it will weaken the primary excuse for late term abortions. If Tebow's mother had chosen to terminate, she would have been operated on by a surgeon and/or obgyn physician – not told to go home and make an appointment with a late term abortion clinic where she may not be admitted for weeks. Tebow's is a true, heartbreaking, life or death emergency for both mother and child. However, records from Late term clinics show overwhelmingly that all of the patients 'life threatening' reasons for aborting were, 'temporary depression', and because the baby had down syndrome. A true emergency calls for a trip to the ER, then the OR – it does not require an autonomous killing factory. So the choice for a pro-abort is not 'life or death' – it is always, 'want or do not want'.
Feminists never take a hard look at themselves. They are too busy trying to run everybody else's life. It has ever been so. They think the ONLY view is theirs and if you are not prepared to burn your bra, march with them as in the 60's, insist on 'equal pay for equal work' mantras that did nothing but bully both men and corporations rather than focus on encouraging young women to excel and be recognized for their ability, which was done regularly from the beginning.
I am a woman of the 60's and I never needed 'feminism' to get for me what I could get on my own and with my own abilities. Nor does any woman, young or old need to be told about abortion or choosing life. They love to say it is a woman's right to choose. It sure is: Every woman who comes to that cross roads of choosing an abortion or choosing to carry to term and give birth has already gone through several intersections of choice. What all the feminine organizations need to do is BUTT OUT and mind their own collective business. They cannot imagine how sick and tired many of us women are of them and their ilk. I was particularly disgusted with them during the Impeachement of Clinton. They did not rush to Ms. Lewinski's defence but to Clintons. They might as well have shut shop right then and there.
It might be pointed out that these feminist organizations showed how intolerant they are of any other view but their own and how bullying they can become during the presidential campaign just passed. They derided and beshmirched one of the best candidates for VP to ever run. Sarah Palin IS the epitome of the kind of woman we were all raised to be. Sarah has excelled at it most spectacularly. Married to a hunk of a husband, five children, beautiful herself, accomplished beyond the wildest feminist imaginings. ( they would much rather embrace a do nothing know nothing none of knew anything about) simply because Sarah is a woman who did comply with the dictates of feminism. Really, of what use are these groups? They would do well to disband, mind their own business, find a husband, if possible (??) and seek to live real life and leave the rest of us alone to live ours.
DAMN! How empty that statement is, how empty the belief is , how EMPTY the person must be to recycle such a zeroOOOOOOO
Wow, mercy killings… Who's the judge? You? Somebody else? How about a panel of experts or "Holy Men"
What qualifies any human to pass judgment on a life yet to be lived? I can't think of anything more arrogant then to play God and make these kind of judgments. Even if they are done with mercy.
So your straw man is abortion (Choice) is acceptable if done with mercy to the potentially abused, starved and suffering. Do you still support abortion (Choice) when these factors aren't present in the situation?
And this statement is the crux of the problem. "Make a choice right for you, but be cautious in forcing your belief system upon others." You preach tolerance for Choice, including mine but then step in and Caution when you don't like the choice I make. Is that being judgmental on your part or just intolerant? Or arrogant that again, you set yourself up as God?
"PS: As I read the taunts leveled at “Warren” I wonder where all the love is." The love is for the UNBORN, the Anger is for Warren who supports the killing of the unborn.
Why is this…why is there such a persistent push to nothing…not even a child can penitrate this empty shell..please allow me to keep my belief in life, why not ? please ask yourself why are you wanting to others to join you ? what is so wondrous in this wallowing love of nothing??
Two words, Warren. Trig. Palin. People are on record itemizing his eventual cost to the 'system'. Yes. In the Washington Post, in the NY Times. It was extremely clear that, for many, Sarah Palin's decision to give birth to a Down Sydrome baby was reason to hate her. And, to top it off, there were those who stated that Palin 'forced' Bristol to have her baby as well.
No, Warren, your talking points don't wash in light of the actual behavior of the pro-abort crowd.
I know someone whose parents talked her into an abortion she didn't originally want. She is now in her mid-thirties with no marriage prospects. What happened to her "choice"? How will her "choice" affect the rest of her life if she never has anymore children? The whole reason she was pushed toward the abortion was because she wasn't married.
I agree with most here. Pro-choice = Pro-abort. I think abortion should be obsolete. With all the birth control methods along with efforts to keep from getting STDs, it should be as rare a procedure as splitting conjoined twins.
What is it called?
The Pro-Death movement follows Margaret Sanger and G.B. Shaw, both of which were not only pushing abortion, but looking to create the master race, years before Hitler took their idea and actualized it. Shaw actually wanted a "humane gas" to get rid of those beneath him.
The Pro-Death movement is a death cult, except unlike Heaven's Gate or Jim Jones, they want the other "stupid" people to be put away. They celebrate abortion the way sane people celebrate life. Their motto: "Choose death."
Anyone who chooses life is their enemy.
The blog is called Big Journalism for a reason. Like any news outlet, BJ is about covering the controversies of the day like abortion.
Hence, it would be shocking if the Tebow ad DIDN't get coverage on the blog.
Warren, God bless you, but people in the pro-life movement give enormous amounts of time and money to help women with pre-natal care, housing, food, parenting classes, insurance, jobs, baby supplies, adoption and much more. Instead of these women being a number off of which a clinic can make an easy $300, they are treated with dignity as individual human beings whose welfare is looked after and who are given the opportunity to create a good life for themselves and their babies. And whenever possible the fathers of these babies are encouraged to take responsibility and become a family
To me I believe abortion as a form of contraception to be the vilest form of child abuse, worse than child rape, worse than child torture, those who have a 100% medical reason for abortion where the unborn child or mother is in dire danger then it can be considered legally needed.
Here is Cannon's video "Can I Live?":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdOCwd9EttE
Live Action as has this new music video, "Unborn":
http://liveaction.org/blog/caitlin-janes-new-musi...
I'm sorry, girl, but you ain't no Quaker and you ain't no conservative. I've seen your SPCA model comments before and they are incredibly telling.
You're waving the judgmental accusation at everyone here while saying pro-life demands that women have children that are unwanted and that will live a life of hell on earth. How in the world do you know in advance that the child's life will be hell? How many people do you know that are waiting to adopt? There's a choice right there. But it's not a choice anyone in your pro-abortion movement wants anyone to talk about.
What about the efforts to push abortion of Down Syndrome babies, or babies with other birth defects?
SPCA my fine round ass. Equate kids with stray animals and you're not going to get many takers. Compassion? I hope you find it some day. Seriously.
I used to be a Quaker, and I can tell you that they’re very divided on abortion, or at least they were back in the 1980’s. Some of them approved of abortion and some of them didn’t. Same as in the rest of society, it depended on whether you think a fetus is a human. The Quakers who think fetuses are human tend to disapprove of abortion. Those who think fetuses aren’t human see nothing wrong with abortion. This makes perfect sense and fits the same pattern as the rest of society.
Lady in Red, if your husband was really merciful, he would have talked to you about taking the kittens home, cleaning them up, feeding them, giving them a home, or failing that, getting them to an animal rescue place. This business of killing kittens for mercy is crap.
About this ad that the hard core pro-aborts are so up in arms about: even if you are “pro-choice,” wouldn’t you want to have the ad aired for the purposes of free speech? These hard core pro-aborts want to censor anything that makes abortion look less than glorious. They also want to censor anything that makes another choice look good. Who gave them the right to toss out the constitution, do away with free speech, and have censorship rights in the whole society. The ad will braoadcast, and if the hard core pro-aborts don’t like it, let them move to North Korea.
Sickos? Are you saying those women who died during pregnancy complications were denied abortions that would have saved their lives? Or did they want those babies and carried them to term only have the worst happen in delivery?
You must realize that what you've said makes no sense. Either that or you truly are "pro-abortion" and think all pregnancies should be terminated just in case the mother has a late term or delivery complication. So, which is it?
I just want all to think, reason, give a thought to a real life experience. The Blessed Mary was pregnant. A woman chosen for a birth of a child to be eternally remembered as a savior of mankind. Any child conceived is a precious human being that will survive for eternity whether the child be aborted or given birth. This is the weight that women will face come judgement day. There is NO easy way out. Whatever road you choose you will answer and live the remainder of your life with that choice.
Exactly. That's what 'lady in red' is sounding like to me. Touting the "SPCA model" as if that makes sense for human beings. Margaret Sanger all the way.
I can't help but feel their efforts to stop a life before it could possibly experience a bad childhood is a side door toward getting rid of those 'lesser beings'. Most notably those little black children who are denied adoption by white families and the most rapidly rising rate of abortions in the country. Sure makes ya go "hmmmm" …
The abortion industry disproportionately affects the African American community. I wonder how many Nelson Mandela's, Barack Obama's (I don't care what you think about him as President, his story IS compelling), Martin Luther King Jr.'s, Clarence Thomas' we are missing out on today because they were never given the chance at life. Sad…
"…You know, I think I'm going to start waving pictures of women who died during pregnancy complications because abortion was available in front of churches…"
You sound like a lot of fun. With an argument as strong as yours, the whole gang will be converted. Well done!
If I'm not mistaken there's a heartbeat after 3 weeks. Liberals are such evil scum that those at PlannedParenthood were hiding sonograms from their ignorant patients so they couldn't see the baby inside them and instead were told it's just some "glob of cells."
Liberals are a boil on the ass of humanity.
I'm personally pro-choice [within the first 3-4 weeks], after that point you have the baby and give it up for adoption if you don't want it. But I advocate for Life.
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Pam, are you part of Silent No More?
(http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org)
I was in Washington last weekend, and for me the most moving and powerful part of January 22 was hearing the heartbreaking public testimonies of dozens of women who had abortions, suffered many years of torment and self-destructive behavior, came to know Jesus and accepted His forgiveness, and finally received healing and peace when they found fellowship with other post-abortive women in groups such as Rachel's Vineyard and Silent No More.
These stories are finally being told. Thank you for your honesty here in your comment. God bless you!
Our local crisis pregnancy center offers strong support to mothers (and fathers, if they're around) AFTER the baby is born. They have parenting classes, mentors, support groups with other young parents, and help with learning everything from baby care and cooking to home maintenance and budgeting.
The center also offers counseling and support groups for women who had abortions and are suffering as a result.
And of course, there are all the usual crisis-pregnancy center services for pregnant women. And, of course, EVERY SINGLE THING IS FREE, FREE, FREE! No strings attached. Love, support, acceptance, genuine caring.
Contrast that to the typical "abortion provider." Last week, after the March for Life in Washington, I listened to dozens of post-abortive women from Silent No More (http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org) give their testimonies publicly in front of the Supreme Court. Many of them described how "cold," callous, "hard" and uncaring the people at the abortion clinic were. How they felt like they were herded through like cattle. How they felt like all the clinic people cared about was getting their money. How there was not even the most basic follow-up.
I think this is because to even work at such a job in the first place, one has to do a pretty massive job of conscience-deadening. (Although, even so, there is a high turnover rate among abortion clinic personnel because of the emotional trauma of looking at pieces of dead babies all day.)
Wow. And I thought Quakers were into non-violence.
For everyone except defenseless babies, I guess!
It breaks my heart that people are told that this is a totally acceptable practice without seeing what the practice does. When any other medical procedure is done, a doctor goes through the steps of what he's doing. I can't believe for a second that they do this for abortions. If they did- the abortion rate and unwanted pregnancies would drop.
Warren, if you truly believe that we should start working toward start working toward "real change in society that avoids women ever having to make this "choice"" than perhaps you should lobby that the reality of these procedures are shown in sex education classes…. educate young girls about what abortion is and you will avoid it's use as birth control.
I'ts a shame that good 'ol Warren didn't take the time to sign in to Intense Debate. I guess he just stopped by to put in an opinion without taking the time to consider the opposing views of that opinion. I doubt he'll come back…
"The reason why "pro-abortion" and "pro-choice" is not synonymous . . ."
But they are quite synonymous. "Pro-choice" is merely the euphemism for "pro-abortion." Pro-choicers aren't for giving anybody a choice.
It's ironic that today's protestors are in favor of totalitarian control – by them.
Oh, MY, Lady in Red, I don’t even know where to start! How about the “mercy” you and your husband showed those kittens?
Some years ago, a wild cat was scared by the neighbor’s Doberman’s barking, and ran off while in the process of giving birth to 3 kittens (that we knew of). As we walked outside, we accidentally came upon the teeny babies – all with umbilical cords still attached. With no mother cat in sight, we gathered all the babies we could find, and took them inside. Dealt with the umbilical cords, cleaned them gently, and made a little box for them. Called the vet, who said that, without their mother’s milk (and included protection from illness), they would probably all die.
"God's plan made us dominant in Nature"
We are more than that. We are created in God's image.
The feminists' activist groups lost all credibility when they continually trashed Sarah Palin – a WOMAN.
They are only advocates for those who support their own liberal agendas.
We The People have begun to awaken from our slumber. Everyone now knows these shrill groups are just "fronts" for progressive/liberal/democrats.
Any advertiser worth his salt had better be paying attention. We're voting with our wallets! Ask MSNBC how much that hurts…
"Lady" in Red:
I addressed the kittens on page 2.
I have a feeling the Quakers would be mortified.
No, death for unwanted animals is NOT better, because people don't want to take responsibility for their pets. It is better to spay/neuter them if you don't want offspring. Most places offer free services on a schedule.
Oh ya, the visions of a 50's Soviet style oligarchy dance in their heads, with the government and media elites "meeting" over volka tonics and hor d'ourves followed by Kobe beef and scallops, then someCuban cigars and Hennesy and a limo ride back to their government bought and lavishy furnished dachas.
Laughing like little girls the whole time – while enslaving the "underclass".
Did you see the liquor bill for Queen Nancy's flights back and forth to her fifedom in California?
Many years ago, I was a social worker. It is far cheaper for the government to pay for abortions than to pay childbirth expenses, and then support the child at least until it is 18.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the government to change without a major battle.
Lady, you are entirely correct. Better to be mercifully delivered unto the lord than to have to suffer life as an unwanted puppy or child. Or even a Jew for that matter. While we are at it – even cripples, or those born into poverty such as Haiti which you so kindly suggrest we pardon – might be better off if your husband mercifully bashed their heads in.
Yes. correct. This method of we, who have so much, deciding who should live and who should die is fully supported by scripture.
Which such standards I also assume that by Quaker, I you mean the producer of oatmeal. Though they also don't deserve to be associated with your ludicrous logic. If you are not just trolling for responses, then you are surely morally bankrupt and have missed the point of whatever scriptures you have read.
A POX on you!
While most of us are quite fluent in English – to the point that we see through this tripe – we are also quite fluent in morality.
If you stop a beating heart, then you killed something. You would probably fight tooth and nail for a stray cat but so easily argue for extermination of the next Martin Luther King, the next Albert Einstein, the next Aristotle.
But as long as it is your choice… I guess that is cool.
Well, the ones screeching about this commercial certainly aren't.
Fantastic point. Let us see stats on how many adoptions that the "choicers" have fostered.
Word. Kindness is not supposedly benevolent death. OK, if I have been OBVIOUSLY mortally wounded, ripped asunder, and screamingn for my own death – then deliver me. Until then, suffer my cries, mend me and bolster my will. But please do not crush my head under your "kind" boot.
Let us not forget that being pregnant at 18 is about half your life expectancy in most of Africa. So don't cop out with "My life is over".
What is really being argued is that this life inside of me is "not convenient". It WILL be a person unless you drill it in the head, poison it, or otherwise do it harm.
Why can you be prosecuted for smoking crack while pregnant but not for intentionally killing your unborn? at what point was the crack smoked against the child's interest? Surely that point must be the point at which abortion should be illegal? Right?
Don't continue to smear Quakers with the ranting of this mole.
If she was a real Quaker then she could identify herself and stand by her statements. Surely one driven by such commitment to reject the technological progress of humanity could muster that courage.
This "Lady in Red (Blood)" is no Quaker.
They argue that pro-life is anti-choice and try to disguise that pro-choice is anti-life.
There has been some backlash. I heard a scout assessing Tebow the other day and the report was not flattering given his accomplishments. I agree he's not the talent many think he is, but he's good and the way this scout ripped into him seemed over-the-top. Maybe it was just my perception.
If you want to make the pro-abortion crowd go nuts, try this: Propose that all abortions be made completely legal, but that they also be made completely free of charge to the women getting them, and revoke all taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and other groups that operate abortion clinics. Require that they be supported only through charitable donations by people who support 'a woman's right to choose'. You'll quickly find out just how much this is about making money instead of all the phony reasons they usually cite.
It is strange to me that pro choice women get pissed when you try to pass on that wisdom. How can full informed decision making be bad for women? Those sorts of "feminists" are the most detestable charlatans.
Everyone deserves the right to be born. No one in the womb should be subjected to violence and destruction. All you have to do is look at pictures of a developing fetus to know that early in the first trimester, this is a little person. If the mom can't or doesn't want to raise their child, there are thousands of decent people who would love the opportunity. It might not be convenient, but it is the right thing to choose life. The choice to not become a parent needs to be made before that happens. As someone put it, "Having an abortion doesn't just make you 'not pregnant', it makes you the mother of a dead child". What more can be said?
Lady in Red is as 'Conservative' as Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Personally, I find her comments distasteful…kittens indeed.
Abortion is a business…a big money-making industry. The Feminist Majority and others like it derive a lot of their income from that abortion industry. Follow the money, as they say.
If these groups really wanted equality for women around the world, they could begin by directly challenging and targeting the Islamic religion and the misogynist that constitute its leadership. They have not because these groups know that it would put their on lives in risk of being….aborted. Instead they choose to attack people they know can not, and will not, threaten them with a real terror attack. You go girl!
I hope that you'll reflect on why "everyone hates the practice" and have a change of heart over your devotion to "choice."
I am sad. I guess that makes at least several of us. You know “truth,” not a quiet, tasteful, personal truth, but an in-your-face screaming, taunting truth which must be adhered to by all. It is as “true” as those who send their children to die in marketplaces with bombs strapped around their bellies, stone women in the name of family honor: it is what their God demands
Your beliefs are rooted in stories of happy babies, contented pups and kittens. Spay your pets you admonish and offer your unwanted baby for adoption; problem solved! Do any of you know the numbers, the sheer numbers? You don’t look behind that curtain; you don’t wish to see that which confronts the reality you paint in your mind’s eye.
There is no love here. This is rabid, mindless dogma, destined to no good. If only one of you would pause, and consider.
It would be interesting to see BigJ do a story on the numbers behind this issue. You have not a clue about the world beyond your mental constructs. ….Lady in Red
Then DON'T read about it here. Ignore the article. It's not that hard. JUST DON'T CLICK ON IT!!!! Problem solved…
Of course "pro-abortion" is a more accurate label, than the disingenuous "pro-choice." It is pro-aborts who fought the issuance of a "Choose Life" (emphasis mine) license plate here in Ohio. They cannot tolerate the communication of pro-life sentiment through mainstream media channels. They fight against informed choice, in the form of requiring pre-abortion sonograms. They fight against the advancement of technology, calling 4D sonogram technology " http://www.4d-ultrasounds.com/ultrasounds/truth.h...
Of course "pro-abortion" is a more accurate label, than the disingenuous "pro-choice." It is pro-aborts who fought the issuance of a "Choose Life" (emphasis mine) license plate here in Ohio. They cannot tolerate the communication of pro-life sentiment through mainstream media channels. They fight against informed choice, in the form of requiring pre-abortion sonograms. They fight against the advancement of technology, calling 4D sonogram technology " http://www.4d-ultrasounds.com/ultrasounds/truth.h...
http://www.blackgenocide.org/abortion.html folks have the numbers.
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Well, they ARE the "smartset", just ask them.
Lady in Red is a ghoul like many Pro Choice people I know. They love death, they worship the dark side of life and have no concept of the value of life. How can someone say with any kind of intellectual honesty that there are no couples willing to adopt. That is bizarre, actually scary.
The devalue of human life leads to Hitler and his ilk.
And that charming rhetorical juxtaposition of humans with dogs and cats!
Love your "name" BTW! Mazel Tov!
There's not much oxygen where Warren has his head–the acute hypoxia has turned him into a turnip. 'Sorry, turnips.
Much like that pustule http://www.conservapedia.com/Fred_Phelps
For all the emotion and effort pro abortion and anti abortion camps express on the issue. It is unlikely that abortion is going anywhere, any time soon. Pro abortion supporters find a bogey man behind every corner, and a conspiracy behind every door. The Anti Abortion camp too has its zealots that can go too far.
Tim Tebow and Focus On the Family, clearly have a right to present their case. Their message hurts no one, and may actually convince some to have their child, or pursue adoption. No matter where you stand on the issue, you should be able to hear the arguments for either side and allow the truly affected to make their decision. I think all would agree that abortion is not something to be taken lightly, it is not contraception, as some would profess. Late term abortions are unacceptable in all but the most extreme cases. It is far better, if you cannot and will not have a child, to practice proper contraception. But when someone expresses their convictions in a measured way, it only looks bad when they are shouted down.
But truly in this period of political correctness and large governmental-corporate spinelessness, for CBS to have the guts to put on the ad is astounding and admirable.
I am frustrated, but will try once more. Feminists, of which I am no longer one, are forced to their extreme position by “your” extreme position. You wish to determine morality and right in a one-size-fits-all pre-fab way. Better a woman bleeding to death in a back alley than having a “right” to decide not to birth a child. For whatever personal reason….
It is a relief you are not vegans, shooting people who “choose” to eat chickens, or lamb chops.
You are an intolerant, rabid, distasteful, anti-intellectual mob as bent on brainwashing and breaking the minds of others as is the Taliban. Frankly…. Sigh…. You deserve each other. I know God – and she is *not* with you!
This is a very sad day for BigJ! ….Lady in Red
"Better a woman bleeding to death in a back alley than having a “right” to decide not to birth a child."
Who's position is that? It appears you are arguing with a hallucination.
"It is a relief you are not vegans, shooting people who 'choose' to eat chickens, or lamb chops."
Oh dear. Now you are really starting to sound disturbed.
"I know God – and she is *not* with you!" (emphasis mine)
And you're a Quaker, or a feminist. Riiigghhht.
LiR, I don't know if you've acknowledged in one of your previous posts if you've aborted a baby, but you sure sound to me like a perfect example of a woman whose has had her psyche damaged by the resulting guilt, what with your casting about with rationalizations including equating babies with pets, and now the fate of the unborn with dietary choices.
Get help.
Because many of them have absolutely no morals or ethics.
I see a pattern. Planned Parenthood and NARAL want you to have \”all the information\” on birth control, just as long as it does not include that silly, outdated notion of abstinence (because no teen would ever consider that). After all we do not want any unwanted, life wrecking babies around.
And abortions are all about the freedom and choice of women. Abortions like sex should be free and easy to get. But do not dare tell them about what they are actually doing to THEMSELVES much less show them what they are doing to another human. Their human. Why? Too cruel? Why?
I liked how that wretched video started out. I do not remember the exact line but it was alluding to knowledge being a hand in glove relationship with responsibility.
You want choice – you should know all the facts and THEN decide.
If they showed that video to young women and men, there would be far fewer abortions.
I sent that video to a guy I know. Mr. \”It's just a blob of tissue…\” and \”It is not my decision. I was told to butt out\”. Men want to reassert themselves? Man the hell up, arm yourself with the facts and stand up for what is right – and take freaking responsibility!
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"You have not a clue about the world beyond your mental constructs…" Ah, but YOU do, is that it? How arrogant.
"Ideological" subjects are PRECISELY what Bigjournalism and Biggovernment are thankfully tackling, unlike, as Limbaugh correctly calls it, the state-controlled media. Thank you Andrew Breitbart. for being the antithesis of the state-controlled media. Lady in Red, what is so amazing about our Red, White and Blue non-state controlled media is that unlike in places like Iran, where people challenging the religious leaders' stance on "ideological" subjects are simply snuffed out, we are able to actually discuss and challenge and read and think and object without fear. Thank the First Amendment for your right to say that you are ok with abortion and for other people's right to say that they are not.
Someone said something to the effect that gentle "feminism" is driven to extremism only by the extremism of its opposition. In my experience, "feminists" *seek* *out* opposition and seek out offense. They live for it. They interrogate you relentlessly and if you say a wrong word, look out. Try telling a "feminist" that you are even undecided about abortion. You'll find out what hate really is.
You also can't help but come away from these "feminist" diatribes with the impression that if all women suddenly stopped turning up with unwanted pregnancies, these "feminists" would experience a terrible let down. This seems to be behind their desperation to deny women an *informed* choice. In other words, this "controversial" ad showing — shall we say — the upside of life might actually have the effect of causing a woman to carry her child to term, or, worse still, might cause her to be more cautious about getting pregnant at all. It might even give a woman the idea that while having a baby is a hell of a lot of work, it is hardly a "punishment" for anything. It might even be the only thing really worth doing. Peter Ustinov, of all people, once said something to the effect that children are our only *certain* claim to immortality.
What I do not get is why the pro abortion groups don't just run a counter ad. If the Tebows want to run an ad wherein they chose life and us Tim as an example of what you might lose if you choose the other path the pro abortion people could advert something like "We support the choice of abortion because if you ditch the fetus you might just be killing off the next Hitler."
The difference being is that they don't know that they aren't God but just can't say "no" to doing so.
"I was 'punished' with an unplanned pregnancy"
I love the reference to that famous Obama witticism.
"Feminists never take a hard look at themselves. "
Well, a lot of them do take a long hard look — at other feminists.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Ironically, since children often adopt their parents' views, the Pro-Death movement kills off a lot of their natural supporters.
“It’s a “win win” for our side….”
This is an argument that is getting harder and harder for “pro-choice” advocates to answer; women’s rights groups have been caught red-faced on this one, and Gov. Palin’s “open letter” at Facebook is a good example of the direction the argument meme is trending. I’ve tried to point this out to fellow women’s rights advocates–the hypocrisy of NOW on this issue–but they cannot hear it. They’re still stuck; they really need to open their eyes. There has been a fundamental shift in the perspective on this issue in the country. Science has pushed the national conscience; there’s a trend away from abortion; conservative family values are in the ascension. Public opinion still doesn’t want Roe v Wade overturned; but there has been a discernable shift against late-term abortions.
The response from NOW and Emily’s List and others was predictable–and exclusive to liberal political partisanship. I suspect Focus on the Family never cared whether the ad actually ran, for the very reasons you present here.
Nobody has addressed the question of what would have happened if she disregarded the doctor's recommendations and then died because of that? Not as warm and fuzzy of an ending, I think.
How sad… Its probably the only area in which Democrats are fiscal conservatives.
If they actually broadcast this ad, and if they quit fellating the Obama administration, then I will retract my earlier re-branding of CBS as the "Communist Broadcasting System".
And to Jenna Hansen (who apparently should not have graduated HS due to her poor grasp of English – "her or his self"??? – I just have one thing to say:
Hava Nise Dey.
I think the Drifter likes you….
RED LADY
Are you sure you're not from PETA? Equating dogs and babies…
And death is NEVER better, unless it's a "post birth abortion" on a killer/rapist/child molester/Nazi…Get the point??
All too true. Feminist not only seek conflict, they generate it, just as in Marxism, where the proletariat must rise up against the bourgeoisie. Betty Friedan, one of the founding womyn of the modern feminist movement, in fact now acknowledges that her contribution of feminism was simply a repackaging of Marxism, geared toward the American woman.
Is anyone really pro-abortion?
Question: What is the distinction between pro-choice and pro-abortion? I have friends who say in utter dismay that nobody is pro-abortion – how could they be?
Answer: An old axiom in psychiatry says, "Believe behavior." People would rarely admit that they are for abortion, but it is behavior that proves otherwise. Currently, the law allows abortion at any time of pregnancy and for any reason. A person who is against abortion can reasonably be expected to demonstrate that in action, by trying to prevent abortion in some way. There are people all around the country who actively oppose any restriction on abortion, even partial-birth abortion. In what sense, then, are they against abortion? If "pro-choice" people want us to believe they are not pro-abortion, they need to show us what they are doing to stop it.
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What does it say that Hansen's support for abortion is framed as a choice on "whether or not to be a parent?" Plenty. If a woman chooses "not to be a parent" of a one month old infant by crushing his/her skull with forceps, it would be called infanticide. If a woman chooses "not to be a parent" of a 12 year old by tearing his/her limbs off and torso apart, then throwing the body in a bio-hazard trash bag, it's called murder. Women who kill their own children make us sick to our stomachs, we wonder what went wrong inside their minds and nod amongst ourselves that such women should be institutionalized.
If you mapped the genes of an adult human and an embryo-stage human and placed the results side by side, would you be able to tell which was the the embryo? You wouldn't.
The pro-choice movement has historically been dishonest with itself. Regardless of their endless justifications, they convulsively avoid the most unbearable, barbaric truth; that they are advocating to preserve a woman's choice to kill or not to kill her own unborn child.
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Is anyone really pro-abortion?
Question: What is the distinction between pro-choice and pro-abortion? I have friends who say in utter dismay that nobody is pro-abortion – how could they be?
Answer: An old axiom in psychiatry says, "Believe behavior." People would rarely admit that they are for abortion, but it is behavior that proves otherwise. Currently, the law allows abortion at any time of pregnancy and for any reason. A person who is against abortion can reasonably be expected to demonstrate that in action, by trying to prevent abortion in some way. There are people all around the country who actively oppose any restriction on abortion, even partial-birth abortion. In what sense, then, are they against abortion? If "pro-choice" people want us to believe they are not pro-abortion, they need to show us what they are doing to stop it.
Red Lady, you just need a good pet.
LaughOutLoud,
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Pretty soon he'll want to carry your books or give you a ride on his horse…
He, like many here, are "drive by" commenters. But some do get things stirred-up…
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Am I able to get similar results as the dentist would give me?
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