On January 25 a whopping 62 billboard signs sprang up in African-American neighborhoods in Atlanta, Georgia, all with the same message: “Black Children are an Endangered Species.” The two groups sponsoring the billboard campaign, Georgia Right to Life and the Radiance Foundation, intended the signage to be provocative. Black genocide demands attention — but not, apparently, from the MSM.
Nationally blacks comprise only 12.8 percent of the population but account for 36.4 percent of all abortions. Forty-three percent of all black pregnancies end in abortion. Put another way, “In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women,” according to the Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood’s research arm.
Why? If you build it, they will come. According to Guttmacher, 97 percent of all U.S. abortion clinics are located in metropolitan counties, where minorities and the poor are most concentrated.
In Georgia the toll is worse. According to the CDC, 57.4 percent of all abortions committed there in 2008 were African-American. Georgia ranked first of all reporting states for the number of black abortions. All 14 Atlanta abortion clinics are ghoulishly nestled in minority neighborhoods.
The MSM, led by the New York Times on February 5, was quick to notice the billboard campaign, if only to disparage it as “contrary [to] federal data” showing “little evidence that abortions had made black children unusually endangered.”
This because the Times noted the fertility rate of black women “remains higher than the national average and has inched up in recent years, according to CDC data.” It just so happens the national average sucks, but so what?
Yes, the fertility rate of black women has crept back up to 2.15, while the fertility rate of whites is 2.1 and the U.S. fertility rate overall is 2.1. To maintain replacement levels, women must have 2.1 children each. So America would be barely sustaining its population, if not for immigration.
As the aforementioned statistics show, black children surviving their prenatal period is not for lack of trying to kill them. Abortion stats indeed demonstrate the lives of black children are most “endangered” before they are ever born. The Times purposefully missed the point.
While Times reporter Shaila Dewan went to a great deal of trouble looking up statistics, she did not verify even one outrageous pro-abort claim, such as:
[toomanyaborted.com] also says that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, wanted to reduce the population of blacks, an assertion that Planned Parenthood has disputed.
Yes, and? No need to check who’s right? Merely scratch the surface of Margaret Sanger’s history to find out, as even liberal Alternet admits, “There was a Negro Project instigated by Margaret Sanger. It was about birth control and family planning and was not about abortion.” Whether or not the last clause is true, the fact is Sanger sought to control black fertility. She was a racist eugenicist.
Dewan also quoted and then walked away from this false claim:
Loretta Ross, the executive director of the SisterSong Women of Color Reproductive Health Collective in Atlanta, said… “The reason we have so many Planned Parenthoods in the black community is because leaders in the black community in the ’20s and ’30s went to Margaret Sanger and asked for them…”
Wrong.
Blacks were understandably suspicious of Sanger’s American Birth Control League for its focus on them. Sanger established her first experimental clinic in 1929 — in Harlem. Sanger spent the next ten years trying to make inroads with influential blacks. In 1939 Sanger launched “The Negro Project,” enlisting the help of prominent black religious leaders, leading her to famously write:
We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
Bottom line: Ross’s contention that blacks approached Sanger for help regulating their population is backward, and Sanger really didn’t get off the ground until the ’40s anyway. Dewan also quoted Ross as stating:
Controlling our fertility was part of our uplift out of poverty strategy, and it still works.
Abortion is certainly not “controlling fertility.” It’s murdering children. And it’s a sad day when a community embraces killing its own progeny to better itself. Pamela Merritt at RH Reality Check complained the real black genocide problems were:
- Black women are more likely to be diagnosed with cervical cancer at a later stage and are more likely to die of cervical cancer.
- Black people make up 13 percent of the population in the United States yet account for more than 49 percent of AIDS cases. AIDS is the leading cause of death for Black women between the ages 25 to 34, and the second leading cause of death for Black men between the ages 35 to 44.
- Black and Hispanic women have the highest teen pregnancy rates….
- Black women continue to die from breast cancer at alarming rates and a recent study found that half of Black teenage women reported having had one of the most common sexually transmitted diseases.
Every single one of those maladies would be stopped cold by greater sexual restraint and, ideally, monogamy. (Cervical cancer is caused by the human papillomavirus, or HPV, a sexually transmitted disease, and two known causes of breast cancer. one of them particularly virulent in the black community, are the birth control pill and abortion.)
To demonstrate how unreliable a source SisterSong is, one of its members blogged:
Anyone with eyes knows this is not true. In fact, the “Black Children are an Endangered Species signs” will eventually be posted in 80 spots before their two-month run is up the end of March.
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Well you can't rightly expect the media to even feign any just criticism of abortion, even if the majority of abortions, and the main Planned Parenthood abortion clinics, are in poor and mainly black communities.
Massive numbers of African American abortions? I can't think of anything that would more please the KKK. I guess that would be one way of eliminating the "Negro Dialect" wouldn't it Senator Reid?
Like I said elsewhere – these emotion-driven nutcases that oppose abortions may as well join the Democrats. You are so married to your nutty belief that a single cell (think about it – NO brain at all) is a human being that you are willing to endanger the rest of us with skyrocketting crime and welfare payments.
It seems society has to choose the lesser of two evils. Pay for unlimited abortions or pay for unlimited unwanted children created by a promiscuous, irresponsible culture and a dramatic increase in crime.
I keep struggling with abortion. On one hand, you have the needless destruction of human potential. On the other hand, you have one less unwanted, fatherless child that would be born to yet another single, underage, unemployed black female who would go on welfare, if she isn’t already. Racist? Not according to the numbers.
The dems created the KKK, and it looks like it is still alive, they sold it to the black community and don't have to run it. Next they, employed people from the black community and gave them taxpayer money. It is a matter of employment now as these clinics are staffed with former walmat and burger king employees from the very same communities.
Hmm another batch of crazy religous nuts trying unsuccessfully to fear people to their side. I would hope the smart people ignore these fundies.
Planned Parenthood 'disputes' MArgaret Sanger's racism in the same way that the President of Iran today 'disputes' the holocaust. One can dispute the rising of the sun if one so chooses, but the horizon will light up just the same.
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I find it to be an unfortunate reality of history the Margaret Sangers ideas were not more widely adopted. She was spot on!
We've gotta lot of hearts to change in this Country
Dr. Alveda C. King, niece of Martin Luther King, Jr, is a leading force in the pro-life movement.
An eloquent voice for Life who is taking the Civil Rights ideals of her uncle into the 21st century and saving babies.
" Black genocide demands attention "
The Dems have been demanding the attention for years now, why do you think the dems push so hard for abortion in the first place!!! Pro-Choice to them equals abortion… The dems ( Once the slave owners ) have found a way to enslave the minority with entitlements and found a way to remove as many as possible with abortion..
the 30 million + aborted have been replaced by 30 million+ illegals, hows that working for the blacks in America ???
Wow – racist much? Black children endanger "the rest of us" with crime and welfare payments?
Not surprising. MLK was Republican.
Some quotes from Margaret Sanger, Hillary Clinton's "personal hero"….
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
– Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255
Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith
Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in
Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth
Control in America . New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying
… demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism …
[Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the
world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of
others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead
weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the
stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world,
it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant … We are paying
for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing,
unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born
at all."
– Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization , 1922. Chapter on "The
Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library
edition.
"Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most
adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and
social problems."
"I think you must agree … that the campaign for birth control is not
merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims
of eugenics … Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the
eugenic educator."
"As an advocate of birth control I wish … to point out that the
unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly
the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the
inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this
matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feebleminded,
the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be
held up for emulation."
"On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and
discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
– Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda."
Birth Control Review , October 1921, page 5.
First off, most abortions take place later in the first trimester or in the second. By that point the "single cell" is already a clearly defined human, with arms, legs, and a head (with the start of his or her brain forming).
Second, from the moment of conception, that "single cell" (which is single for all of a minute or two at most, thank you seventh grade biology) already has a hair color, an eye color, a gender. It already has a preference for different kinds of foods, a tendency towards or lack of sarcasm, a quiet or loud personality. That's the miracle of the human genome, all that information is there, it's just waiting to be shown.
Third, most of us who have religion (and many who do not) believe that life begins at conception. If you're Christian, it's a major part of the faith, that Christ was Christ from the moment He was conceived.
It is hard to believe that Planned Parenthood is a friend of the black community, when you have the facts. The Black community has been devastated by a progressive agenda that destroyed the family and promoted killing their babies. With all the supposed help from the government in these past years, has it really made life better for Blacks today, one has to ask?
How is creating 60 ft signs saying "don't murder your baby" pandering?
Who cares. MSM is right about this one. Keep abortion mills open for the people who use them most.
Fewer than you think. Recent polling shows that the majority of young people believe that abortion is morally wrong and only permissible under a strict set of circumstances if at all. It's at about 60% or so. Add to that the fact that people tend to become more pro-life as they get older and have kids of their own, you're looking at a sizable voting group coming up in the next ten years.
You're not just whistling Dixie. The primary purpose of the minimum wage, as envisioned by 30's progressives, was to discourage employment of the "racial underclasses." Couple that with welfare to discourage personal development, and plant PP offices in poor neighborhood, and Bob's your uncle.
Why don't they do it in White neighborhoods? Wanna bet that would be called "racist"?
Interesting about personality being genetic. How about tendency towards crime?
"Put another way, “In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women,” according to the Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood’s research arm.
Why?"
Why indeed? What you fail to mention Stanek, is that the rate of uninteneded pregnancy is similarly high for black women.
That's the problem. Address that. And poverty, eductaion, etc.
And by the way, at a higher birth rate than whites and greater than 2, black babies are actually NOT an endangered species.
You can't explain DNA to a living person with a dead soul. They don't understand their own lives
The total fertility rate for white Americans is not 2.1, it is 1.7. The nation's total fertility rate is pulled upwards to 2.1 because of the high fertility rate of nearly 3.0 among Hispanics.
So women get pregnant because of poverty and education (sic)?
Let me guess, you're a Democrat.
Reducing the black birth rate: end welfare/food stamps/SECTION 8 housing. Make blacks responsible for their children rather than taxpayers. Disagree? Get YOUR checkbook out. I'm John Galt and Atlas has Shrugged.
I personally don't believe abortion is a religious issue. It is an issue of life or death of a small person. Even a single cell has all the DNA for humans.
Make all persons responsible for their children. Especially the men!
Someone care to help me out here? I don't get it – women fight for the 'right' to go have an abortion, the clinics are up and running and black women receive abortions – did anyone tell them they had to go abort the baby? Is there some committee that keeps track of who is pregnant and then go encourage them to abort? I honestly do not get this whole argument. A woman gets pregnant, decides for whatever reason she doesn't want to carry the baby to term, and this supports the argument that blacks are targeted? What did I miss?
Don't beat me up on this, just explain if possible, what I'm not understanding here.
Am I understanding you correctly when you state that it's simply a choice when a mother decides to kill her "baby" – (your word)? What else could terminating a pregnancy mean? Why not allow women to terminate their toddlers?
Could you explain what you mean by "unintended pregnancy"? Thanks.
Um no…… Women get pregnant when they are fertile and have unprotected sex.
Let me guess: you are a homeschooled virgin?
Actually, vvv, I did address that problem, if you read to the end, which you apparently didnt.
Source? I linked to mine.
Liberals don't read.
…excuse me?
No stanek, you did not. And you certainly didn’t note the high rate of unintended pregnancies when asking why the abortion rate is higher amongst blacks. An inconvienient truth.
Where did you get the idea that Blacks–in general, no less–are a menace to society? A menace? I don't know any black menaces. They're too busy. Do you spend a lot of time hiding under the bed or something?
They don't do it in white neighborhoods because black citizens are the ones aborting their children at a 5x greater rate. If the stats were reversed, the campaign would be, too.
I'd laugh, but there's no evidence from the above that not “Black Children are an Endangered Species". None.
Some of the really radical nutjobs – including at least one who works for the Obama administration – actually do support allowing women to kill toddlers.
Sad but true.
When heard the stats about Black abortion rates, I became a pro-lifer overnight. The idea that Al Sharpton could get worked up over Don Imus' jokes, but ignore the mass murder of our people disgusts me to no end.
I met Alveda King at the Value Voters Summit two years back. Great woman and a bold Christian.
Where did I say she can decide to kill her baby? I am pro-life, btw, what I'm trying to understand is why there is a consensus that anyone is forcing black woman to have abortions.
Sorry if I used the wrong word to attempt to describe what I was asking….
We Christians don't behead people who mock our faith. Muslims are a different story.
That's the difference.
What is the pregnancy rate? Why do you not understand statistics?
You're not alone.
There are going numbers of atheists who are pro-life or at least questioning the rabid pro-abortion stance of "pro-choice" groups like NOW. Here are a few examples:
"Is Abortion Debate Changing" by David Harsanyi (Pro-Life Atheist):
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2009...
*No God – and No Abortions (Christopher Hitchens listed):
http://www.newsweek.com/id/171240
* Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html
Typo:
The above should read "growing" not "going."
Margaret Sanger's significant role in the history of black genocide is irrefutable. Just ask the Honorable Ruth Bader Ginseburg.
A must see video for anyone interested in truth is found here: http://www.maafa21.com. A must see.
Actually, there are growing numbers of atheists who are pro-life or at least questioning the rabid pro-abortion stance of "pro-choice" groups like NOW. Here are a few examples:
"Is Abortion Debate Changing" by David Harsanyi (Pro-Life Atheist):
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2009...
*No God – and No Abortions (Christopher Hitchens listed):
http://www.newsweek.com/id/171240
* Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html
So, you can have purely secular and scientific arguments for why abortion is immoral.
One of the main reasons for the explosive pregnancy rate in black communities is, obviously, black men. The overwhelming majority of black children born are born to people not married to each other. Generally speaking, black men have zero sense of responsibilty about the children they father, or for that matter, anything else. In fact, and in many black communities, since more children means more welfare and food stamp payments from the tax payers, many of these men actually get “kick-back” payments from the women they so causally impregnate. Yes, it’s become a cottage industry, thanks to the “compassionate” (see: clueless) tax payers.
When you stop rewarding people for being highly irresponsible, they will eventually stop…. And don’t bother. A facts are not racist.
I did not know that Margaret Sanger had children and thought the one-balled Hitler could not have kids. How'd you come about, FonZZ? If they Sanger and Hitler) were not too busy burning in Hell right now, I'd say they'd be very proud of you. La Chaim.
This is the part of the progressive movement and eugenics. It didn't die in the early 20th century like many believe. It changed its name to Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, inspired Adolf Hitler in his views of eugenics and "murdering socially undesirable people."
Sanger wrote a clearly Malthusian ideology, "Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease. Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents."
"…most pro-life people around are the Muslims." Der Dhasselhoff
Ya, unless you happen to be BORN, alive and minding your own business – say – at work in the World Trade Towers.
Or you're a Jewish school child playing at school – and rockets and mortors rain down on you.
Or you're a fellow Muslim trying to live your life, herding your goats and a Talibani extremist nuts decides you're an infidel – dead.
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ya, exept for the whole "not funny" part.
Don't forget…
Or you used to be a Muslim.
Or you're a Muslim girl whose decided to date a non-Muslim boy.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-hyperbole.htm
Clearly, "black" does not differentiate on the basis of species, nor does "children." A little advertising hyperbole is used here to make the point.
And I would call being at 43% risk of being killed a gross hyperbolic understatement.
Oh ya, I fogot.
The Muslim remake of "Parenthood" got a RRRRR rating because "Daddy" HONOR killed two daughters.
Crazy rat bearded pigs.
"A woman gets pregnant, decides for whatever reason she doesn't want to carry the baby to term, and this supports the argument that blacks are targeted?"
Pregnancy (being with child) is a medical condition, that in all 50 states can only be diagnosed by a doctor. Except for extremely rare circumstances, almost all naturally continuing pregnancies are about a growing child – the timeline is measured in gestational period, although you'll find abortion clinics using the term LMP – which is dating from last menstrual period.
Not carrying a pregnancy to term is thus about killing an existing child – the point being made by TooManyAborted.com.
Using the word "forcing" mischaracterizes what is being discussed in the article, which is about a systemic campaign to highly influence the black population to self-eradicate. (The term for that is auto-genocide).
However, one could make the argument that if a particular culture was convinced of the benefit of killing their own children, then that culture would shame/coerce – "force" those who were pregnant to "benefit" everyone by aborting/killing her own child.
The evidence for that reasoning was provided in the form of historical documentation, statistical records, and even in the form of denial. At the very heart of this situation is the mindset which killing existing human beings is beneficial/good.
Does this clarify things?
You could find a more Muslim "friendly" site…
Nazi/Muslim – Muslim/Nazi – potato/patato – patato/potato
I've seen the clinics everywhere, and even if there is a greater amount in minority neighborhoods it's a bogus leap to make since they still have the ability to make the choice and futhermore, could easily find a clinic in another neighborhood. I'm just not understanding the blanket claim that there is an agenda to encourage black woman to have abortions. Still think I must be missing a piece of this puzzle that would make it all click for me.
Where's the race hustlers, Jackson and Sharpton on this? The last i read of the fertility rates of Hispanics and Muslims were: 3 and 8.1 respectively. Talk about a changing world.
what part of those numbers are confusing?
add in the rampant fratricide going on in black America and I'd say there's a issue.
I'm honored to be on the same side of the issue with beautiful souls like Alveda. And you, too. ; )
Just for clarification…. He was truly human at the moment He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. But the Word of God, the second person of the Trinity, Christ Jesus IS… and that is, Eternal.
Uncommonground, Stanek and others know they aren’t convincing us that abortion should be banned, so instead they try to convince us it’s about racism. Thing is, like you said, we’re not buying that argument.
Maybe this will help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
I'll try. Others have mentioned Dr. Alveda King. In telling her story she revealed that, while she was young, impressionable and at her most vulnerable she was basically led by the nose through the structure and coerced into having abortions without the benefit of spiritual counseling or even suggestions for alternatives. It was like "hey, this is just the way we do". She rebelled against that system and found healing for her greatest regret. She now helps others who find themselves in similar situations and feel they have nowhere to turn. Yes, the abortion mills are predominantly in minority areas and this targeted effort is strengthened and supported by every structure of the left, with indoctrination beginning even before the system gets their hands on our children in schools (MSM, TV, movies, music, etc…).
Heh, heh…. rat beard cracked me up.
Sanger accelerated the dehumanization of man and her efforts served as a bridge from Darwin's "Descent of Man" to Hitler's "Mein Kampf" to Modern Liberalism.
Planned Parenthood should be investigated under RICO for illegal activities and inter-state commerce (bringing in kids from accross state lines to perform abortions).
If abortions are good, then people who have abortions should put a sticker on their car announcing each time they've had an abortion.
Awesome watch unborn 4Weeks 4Days old~ heartbeat in action http://bit.ly/2pXiim This is before most women even know they are pregnant doesnt look like a one cell to me!
embryo has brainwaves by 6 weeks, 2 days! http://bit.ly/5QenK4
By 8 weeks, 75% of embryos exhibit right-hand dominance http://bit.ly/5KcR28
Interactive Prenatal Development Timeline http://bit.ly/4LOwmi
Add to that the amount of black youths locked away in prisons – and the story carries some weight. So WHEN are all these black activists going to REALLY DO SOMETHING – besides filling their own banks on the publicity from these issues. The president is more concerned about being a light skinned negro and the benefits he demands from that. Its too bad this has to be a black only issue – but the racists love to control the issues that profit them them the most. God help these poor children….
How would the black community feel if people were openly "for" this rate of abortions? Like if people went on the tv shows and said, "yeah, this is great. they should do this more. great way to get ahead in life; better for society…" can you imagine? So when people are saddened by this rate of abortion in their community, and deeply feel for the loss of life, and try to encourage people to look at a different option, they are the villains. I don't get it.
If there were even one case of a Christian beheading a person who mocked Jesus, you'd know the MSM would use it as an example of rabid Christian fundamentalism.
That information is in the post. Did you read it?
You've never been pregnant before, have you? If so, I think you would think differently about that "single cell" you mentioned so callously.
Adoption is still an option. Trust me, one of many Americans who struggle with infertility, there are no unwanted children. Someone would be glad to adopt, love and raise each and every one of those “endangered” black children.
OnCommon… I had the same thoughts when i first read the article. And I remembered something I saw on a tv news program in the late 80's, and I remember this well because I did a research paper on the topic:
it was about how cheaply and readily one can purchase booze in certain predominately black neighborhoods.
I recall an older man telling the reporter that it may be legal, but it just wasn't good for the community. No one could decide which came first, the supply or the demand. But the community leaders wanted them gone, and they ran out a handful of liquor stores which seemed to attract the criminal element.
The community leaders said their neighborhoods were being specifically targeted by the liquor manufactures and distributors, as well as by the liquor store owners themselves who purposely set up shop in vulnerable areas.
They didn't get an act of congress to do it, they handled it themselves (I think with picket lines). Did what they could to better their community.
Okay, that's just too stupid to reply to.
Okay, that's just too stupid to reply to.
Actually, no you didn't Stanek. And you certainly didn't mention the high rate of unintended pregnancy when you asked why the rate of arbtion was so high among balcks. An inconvienent truth.
Are you kidding? Or do you really think that people don't have other reasons than getting pregnant for having sex?
Fonz, if you think a feritilized egg is not a life, then you have no shame or sense of humanity. And are truly deranged, or perhaps just evil.
Openly "for" this rate? "Yeah this is great"? "They should do this more"? "Great way (have an abortion) to get ahead in life"?
No, people don't generally think an unwanted pregnancy is something encourage, a great thing, or a way to get ahead. But they do think that choice is a good thing and recognize that trying to raise a child (or children) in poverty and violence is not a great thing.
A lot feeds into the abortion-for-birth-control mindset. Planned Parenthood has its fingerprints on a lot of it. The urban culture of children raised without fathers, caused by the total acceptance and affirmation of conceiving out of wedlock, is firmly entrenched and supported by tax dollars. The false promise of cost-free sex is at the root of this. It has born fruit in the acceptance of unborn child sacrifice disguised as birth-control, STD's, high crime due to higher numbers of unsupervised, undisciplined children who seek to belong…often to gangs, and men who do not believe that a commitment to the children they sire, and to the women bearing them, is even the slightest of common duties. This is all fostered by a fawning elite that maintains that all cultures are equal.
Make the womb safe for children…stop child sacrifice!
You are so right. The use of sonograms so moms can see their unborn children, often sucking their thumbs, has routed the 'blob of cells' myth. Unborn children think, feel pain and are people. Our disregard for their welfare is a measure of our humanity.
Andanotherthing nailed it….
The thing is this campaign, obviously spawned by someone intentionally trying to inflame the black population, is unintentionally hilarious. I truly thought someone was trying to be cruelly funny in a tactless way. Anyone living in certain cities is far more likely too feel that they are in a third world country, so prevalent are the roving gangs of black youth. Anyone who has been mugged, or harassed by the large feral groups, or had their pleasant outing disturbed by raucous, vulgar groups of black youth, belligerent and aggressive, would roll their eyes. The sad reality is just how many Americans will be rolling their eyes at this campaign.
Wow, what a bitch.
Dude, weak. Abortions are not birth control.. They can have a seriously detrimental effect on the woman if she ever wants to carry a child to term. I have a feeling however, any words I tell you are pointless.
Boo Dhasselhoff. Personality vs. Bad Parenting? Apples to Oranges, man.
I have always wondered why abstinence is never an option brought up in these discussions. You have the preventative measures like pills and condoms, but what about not doing it at all? Is this no longer a viable option? Are we that far gone as a society where we cannot prevent our children from growing up too early? My wife works for a doctors office and tells me whenever a child who is 13 or 14 years old has to come in for a pregnancy test and gets a positive result. That is too damn young, no matter what color your skin is.
Thank you Chris, I appreciate your taking the time to explain it as I honestly just was not making the connection. To answer your question, yes it's morally wrong. Knowing more of the history of the movement and the motives, gave much more clarity. Awful people do horrible deeds.
Thanks WeWeed, that gives even more clarity. It was my own narrow minded thoughts that clouded this issue for me – I wasn't thinking of the youth as much as I was thinking of grown women. I'm sick reading this and knowing the history.
I guess that's easier than promoting strong families and personal responsibilty
Thanks rmyoung, more insight and I do believe the issue makes sense to me now. I just got completely hung up on the reality that these clinics are literally all over and if someone wanted to use one, they would find a way to get there – guess I'm re-learning today, which is a good thing!
Unintended pregnancy is more often resultant from intended promsicuity, NOT poverty. I don't know if you've checked, but birth control is cheap and accessible for everyone. It IS NOT because these people cannot afford it or don't know how it works. It has a lot more to do with the dissalution of the family unit that contributes to the high "fertitliy" and abortion rates within the black community.
Also, you may want to check some of the previous comments. "Missy8s" provided some very telling quotes from PP's founder, Margaret Sanger. It's hard to deny what you've written in your own words!
I'd rather have you explain your understanding of what "unintended" pregnancy means. I understand it's not deliberately getting pregnant, however you're pointing at that as being at the root of the problem. I'd like know what you believe to be the essential reason for that being a problem.
Want proof? Ok, here goes. My spouse is a health care professional in the OB/Gyn field at a women's hospital in a small city in North Carolina. The city in which we live has a high population of blacks, Hispanics, and other ethnic minorities such as Asians.
Blacks have BY FAR the largest number of abortions. It averages to more than 7 times that of whites, 10 times that of Asians, and Hispanic abortions are practically un-heard of due to the high predominance of Roman Catholicism as religious beliefs among Hispanics. The birth rate in Hispanics would be much higher if it were not for their near total lack of understanding of pre-natal care and some genetic issues which I don't pretend to understand, since I am not in the health care profession.
We also are pro-Life. Fortunately, my wife is in the radiology side of the medical profession and specializes in fetal and OB/Gyn work, so she doesn't have to perform them. She would revolt otherwise.
Some black women have abortions because they play "Hump me, dump me" games. Frankly, about half are either welfare cases and/or crack heads. A smaller percentage, though, are educated black women who are pregnant by loser black men and they have no desire to be shackled to a horribly risky future with a man who has a statistically 30 percent chance of being put in jail, not to mention the fact that black men have a much harder time maintaining a marital relationship or even keeping a job to pay child support.
There are a number of problems in the black community. I sympathize with their problems, but they need to get some moral courage and face up. All that having been said, though…
NOTHING CHANGES THE FACT THAT ABORTION IS AN ABOMINATION.
*Gasp* you speak of personal responsibility and nuturing parents. The left would have you believe these two items are "myth" and that THEY know better how to teach children what right and wrong. Which to them, everything you want to do is right, and anyone who tells you different is wrong.
Well first off, unintended pregnancy is obviously a preganancy that is not intended… not planned. Most sexually active, fertile couples use birth control. When they INTEND to get pregnant they do not use birth control.
At the same time, you have sexually active, fertile couples who are not trying to get pregnant but for whatever reason they do not use birth control or do not use it properly and all the time, and less often you also have contraception failure. This sexual activity might result in a pregnancy. That pregnancy would be an unintended pregnancy.
Why is an unintended pregnancy a problem? In many cases the mother is single, not finished her education, young and not ready to raise a child, unemployed, and improverished. She has three choices: Have the baby (babies) and raise it, lessening her chances of completing her education, getting a good job and moving out of a bad neighborhood. Have the baby and give it up for adoption, which is a difficult. Have an abortion.
Why is unintended pregnancy a problem from your point of view in particular? Because it is much more likely to end in abortion. And that is something you do not want to see, right?
BoxStohr, check the stats. Unintended and teen pregnancy is highest among the poor.
That is not to say poverty causes pregnancy (unprotected sex does!).
you are vile.
Some of the most pro-life people around are the Muslims. Funny how this site likes to smear them and the pro-abortionists at the same time when it is Christians and Jews that have them.
Seriously, is Dhasselhoff here for comic relief?
Yes, what was I thinking. I have seen the liberal light of laziness. I guess Brittney Spears and MTV can raise my kids. <Heavy on the sarc, folks, watch out>
abort every one that the parents can not pay not then "fix" the parents. I am sure that I am paying for them too…….the first of the monthers
OK Fonz, If blacks are a menace to society with skyrocketting crime and welfare payments as you say, it is then ok in your mind to do away with them?
"Emotion driven nutcases" ; so what are you, a racist driven nutcase? Talk about nutty beliefs.
Come on Fred2, you should know that would undermine the simplistic argument advanced endlessly by the pro-abortion crowd that all pro-lifers are religious zealouts, and therefore will be ignored completely.
Which ideas are you so fond of?
They are changing quicker than is made known by the MSM or any other news outlet.
"But they do think that choice is a good thing…"
So having a choice in all situations is a good thing, then?
"…and recognize that trying to raise a child (or children) in poverty and violence is not a great thing."
And rending an unborn child limb from limb is not a great thing, either. In fact, it is a depraved and inhuman thing.
I'd urge you to also look at the stats on the family life of said "poor". I'm guessing there aren't a lot of involved dads in that group. That has a lot more to do with it
I don't think abortion is a depraved and inhumane thing particularly if it is an early abortion or Plan B.
Are you seriously looking for response to "so having any number of choices in all situations is a good thing, then"? That's a pretty vague question.
And your use of the word "choice" is vague, as well. Deliberately vague, I'd say.
"I don't think abortion is a depraved and inhumane thing particularly if it is an early abortion or Plan B."
Ah. So you take a continuum of personhood point of view, then. Tell me, when does personhood begin, and why?
No one is forcing black women to get abortions, but based on the fact that the majority of PP clinics are found in minority neighborhoods suggests that PP is making an overwhelming attempt to make sure that minorities know that abortion is an option. It's merely a matter of connecting the dots.
I think your guess would be right BoxStohr. I agree. And the absence of a partner contributes to the poverty. How is a parent without an education and good income to raise a family well? They are away at work . They can't afford quality care. It's harder for them to keep their kids involved and safe.
How could Hillary Clinton say at her Senate confirmation hearing not once, not twice but on at least a dozen occasions during that hearing?
And she is our secretary of state?
Sanger is one of the idols of the proggies and the fact that they center all of the abortion mills in the poorest inner city neighborhoods in America is a scathing indictment.
What is most disturbing is that the radical left has convinced blacks, hispanics and American Indians that they are trying to help these people avoid poor choices in life..?
Have you noticed how Al Sharpton as so called minister doesn't speak out against this practice and the likes of Jesse Jackson and Reverend Wright all but put up infomercials for "planned parenthood"?
It is precisely what Margaret Sanger envisioned 100 years ago and the radical left is doing in the name of "women's liberation" and "sexual freedom", it is beyond frightening…
It amounts to a systematic genocide…
All right. There are lots of unwanted babies in the (black) community…. for whatever reason. "You" want to see them born. Then, what?
Beyond skipping through the flowers, singing lalalal, has anyone of "you" done any numbers, here? How many adopting couples? How many abortions?
Every year, sadly, all over the country, unwanted dogs and cats are killed by the SPCA. It is necessary. Otherwise, they become diseased, run in packs, suffer and starve.
"You" are determined to overrun the world with people, like animals. Have any one of you ever walked though a Mexican ghetto, an Indian one?
The worst is that fascistic insistence that you have the right to be in everyone else's face with what *you* believe. Understand: you are no better than terrorists who kill in the name of God. (And, well, so do you take out a doctor here and there, as it amuses you. Hahahaha.)
Your ugly, arrogant, obsessive need to control all people, to make everyone conform to "your" understanding of what "God" wants is absolutely no different, in principle, than the worst of the Islamic terrorists.
You make me ashamed to hold some similar political views. …Lady in Red
Say it this way to confound Liberals… "I had the same DNA when I first attached myself to Mother's uterine wall that I'll have until I'm on my death bed."
You got it.
""You" are determined to overrun the world with people, like animals"
Lady in Red, here's a heads up: Some pro-lifers think overpopulation is a myth. They prefer to ignore the fact that there are places on this planet where resources are insufficient to support the population that exists now or will exist soon at current growth rates. And in the meantime the people in these places subsist with very little compared to what we take for granted here.
Why do they choose to ignore the facts? Because admitting that some people are endanged by overpopulation would force them to rethink their religious beliefs on birth control.
Black children are an endangered species???? Are you fricking kidding me? I live in the Deep South and trust me when I say, they are far from endangered. In fact, there seem to be way too many of them per welfare household. What a crock of crap.
I agree 100%.
Yes, they do! You may want to look at the Scotland Yard and FBI stats!
Thank you.
You're right. I do not want to see more abortions.
Your list of excuses is poor. We don't kill people because they are poor, or inconvenience us. We don't kill because others require us to be obligated or be responsible for them.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent human life. Biologically, the unborn are scientifically, irrefutably, human beings. Philosophically, differences of size, level of development, environment and degree of dependency cannot reasonably serve as a basis for treating them differently from other human beings. Abortion, an act of extreme violence against an innocent human being, is ultimately an expression of "might makes right", because many states, including California, acknowledge that it is murder to kill an unborn child, but allow it based on the sole consent of the mother. So a mother can legally murder her own child. This stands as the sole exception to the murder laws, and the primary basis is bodily sovereignty of the pregnant woman.
Intent is the basis for much of our law. Murder is murder because of intent. Additionlly, obligations and responsibility are paramount to the very fundamental basis of our society. Without them, there is utter anarchy. Sexual intercourse brings together all three factors: intent, obligations and responsibility. If that were not so, then rape laws would have no meaning.
Abortion rejects all obligations and responsibility to the child who resulted from the intercourse – it is a pure "might makes right" judgement. And the primary influential factor is how much the child is wanted. The sex is wanted, but the highly probable result – the child, isn't.
So, I have 3 questions for you:
1. Should the male have any responsibility given he impregnated the female?
2. Why aren't men charged with manslaughter for their role in the abortion death of their unintended child?
3. Do you ever want to be subjected to a "might makes right" judgement? (Put another way – should all humans suspend our obligation and responsibility to be merciful to each other?)
Hey Lady in Red or WW… If you think over population is a serious threat, why don't you do the noble thing and off yourselves? Why not you instead of some random black child? Do you think you are better? You don't have to answer. I've seen it in the above posts how racist democrats are (not that I have not known it for a long time). The veil is being lifted.
Everyone knows when personhood begins and when it ends. Anything beyond the obvious truth is a rejection of Truth itself so self delusion is necessary. Only when we say "we are gods and God is not" can we falsely attempt to justify the butchery and murder of the innocent. This mindset comes from fear. An inner fear that says "for me to be safe, someone has to die…whether they be in the womb or elderly and afflicted with illness, if they're a burden they've got to go".
Let's hope and pray that this world recognizes that suffering is a necessary part of living, that true love involves self sacrifice and that we have no authority over life and death.
Well Chris, you and I have very different views on abortion.
As for your three questions:
1. I believe that men do have responsibility for any children that are his. However, it is trongly ultimately the women's right to choose whether to continue a pregnancy or not as it is her body. If a man is strongly opposed to abortion he would be wise to discuss this with his partner prior to sex so that he knows her position and vice versa.
2. They should not be charged for the same reason a woman should not be charged. Abortion is not a crime. It is not considered, by law (nor by most people), to be the same as the killing of a born person.
3. No, I do not think humans should suspend our obligation to be merciful to each other. But before you run with that Chris, be mindful once again that I do not share your views on abortion and the unborn, particulary pre-implantation and in the early stages of pregnancy.
Hey Chad. I live in the United States where overpopulation actually is not a serious threat. But thanks for your thoughtful suggestion.
Oh and btw, I am not racist. I do wonder about the people who wrote these billboards though: Black children are an endangered SPECIES? Do they not realize that blacks are the same species as whites and all other races of humans? I find that very odd. And makes for two glaring errors on the billboards.
The real reason behind abortion is systematic genocide but apparently you didn't read your history close enough…
Here are some quotes from "lovely" Margaret Sanger, Hillary Clinton's "personal hero" and her primary reason for being a "structural feminist"….
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
– Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255
Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith
Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in
Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth
Control in America . New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying
… demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism …
[Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the
world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of
others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead
weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the
stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world,
it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant … We are paying
for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing,
unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born
at all."
– Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization , 1922. Chapter on "The
Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library
edition.
"Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most
adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and
social problems."
"I think you must agree … that the campaign for birth control is not
merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims
of eugenics … Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the
eugenic educator."
"As an advocate of birth control I wish … to point out that the
unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly
the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the
inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this
matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feebleminded,
the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be
held up for emulation."
"On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and
discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
– Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda."
Birth Control Review , October 1921, page 5.
Get the picture little man?
Hey Jill great work!
And another thing. If you think "one cell, no BRAIN" is how things work out, you're out to lunch.
Women don't show up 14 days after a good f**k fest and say, "Doctor, take the coathanger to my uterus, would ya?"
Typically, most women don't even know they are pregnant until after missing a period (and sometimes THAT doesn't happen, either). By the time most women get around to abortion, the fetus has begun to form sufficiently that, if you WATCH an early term abortion performed on an ultrasound (my wife has done so on numerous occasions), you still get to see this half-formed new creation actually struggle and in some cases fight off the attempts to kill it.
Get a clue.
I rate her as the top person responsible for the mass genocides of the 20th century and the "soft genocide" that began in 1973 and continues today…
Little man?
Wrong about that Missy. And wrong about the "real" reason for abortion. As someone else commented here, it is a huge leap for you to make from blacks having higher rates of abortion to this being about genocide and racism. But you make that leap because you realize you aren't convincing people that abortion is wrong. But maybe if you can convince them that it is all about racism……… Sorry, we aren't buying it.
Early stages of pregnancy?
At what point in time are you opposed to abortion and why?
Chris, I'm not here to debate my views on abortion with you. What does it matter to you when I think abortion is okay and when it is not? You believe that from the moment of conception, the life that has begun to develop has all the rights and protection due to it that someone who is already born has. I disagree. And no amount of debate is going to change your opinion…… nor mine.
I guess you didn't get the answer you were trying for in your previous three questions?
Actually, if I and others were on the verge of overturning the abortion laws in this country it would matter a great deal to you. Roe was passed by judicial fiat, not through the legislative process.
You obviously have reasons why you think the way you do about abortion, and perhaps I touched a nerve. You might think differently if your child was killed and you were legally powerless to stop it.
Thank you for being gracious in your responses to me.
"Actually, if I and others were on the verge of overturning the abortion laws in this country it would matter a great deal to you"
Exactly. And you are not on the verge of doing so and that is why you don't hear so much from people who think abortion should be allowed all or some of the time. We have come to take choice for granted …… as do people in other countries.
You haven't touched a nerve. I don't have any personal experience with abortion. I simply don't care to engage in futile debate with you.
"You might think differently if your child was killed and you were legally powerless to stop it."
By that I have to asume you are referring to abortion. And given that I am a woman and it is highly unlikely that we would have mandatory abortion here, it is safe to say thay that I will never be in this position.
But being a man, perhaps you have been or might be Chris. And if this is the case, then I do feel badly for you, given your views on abortion. I mean that sincerely. I touched on this earlier when I said that if a man feels strongly against abortion he needs to discuss this with his partner prior to sex, because the choice is not his to make.
The propoganda minister of the 3rd Reich said it best…..tell the big lie often enough, the masses will believe. History is taught by propogandized educators…….the Demograt party is for the little guy, they gave you civil-rights. Reality bites. We cannot rely on the LameStreetMedia, they were propogandized in the same educational system. The socialism model is being taught from grade-school through college. Thankfully we now have new sorces of information and reporters who fact check and research history for truth. The black community is being led to extiction by the very people who profess to support them.
Planned parenthood is founded on Margaret Sangers words, and it is the liberal democrats who support planned parenthood, who recieve millions in our tax dollars, yet some how it is conservatives who are considered racist.
If conservatives were really racist, they would support abortion, and of course we don't
Why don't the politicians who support this have to answer to why they would support an organization fouonded on eliminating exterminating blacks.
Where are the leaders in the black community?
Absolutely 100% correct about the reason little man but apparently you can't read…
So you deny that Sanger said the words above and that she somehow intended "planned parenthood" to be a "helpful neighbor" in the black communities of America?
Can I sell you a bridge this morning?
Apparently you'll believe anything you "dear leader" tells you, so fly away to your fascist genocidal corner little man..
"Apparently you'll believe anything you "dear leader" tells you, so fly away to your fascist genocidal corner little "whatever".. "
??????????????
"So you deny that Sanger said the words above and that she somehow intended "planned parenthood" to be a "helpful neighbor" in the black communities of America?
Can I sell you a bridge this morning? "
Look her Missy: You and your kind take Margaret Sanger out of context. You take the fact that blacks have a high rate of abortion to mean that blacks are "targeted" for abortion in an effort to wipe out their "species". Never mind that the high rate of abortion corresponds to a high rate of unintended pregnancy.
You do all this in an attempt to convince people that Planned Parenthood and those that support choice are racist. Why? Because you can't seem to convince them that abortion is wrong. Well, guess what? You aren't convincing anyone. And you are only discrediting yourself and your cause.
No one is buying that bridge you are trying to sell.
She said what she said and the progressives adore her for it, there is no room for moral equivocation here, wrong is wrong and she said what she meant.
Get over it!
She was not taken "out of context" as the delusional left believes, she believed precisely what was written and penned at least a dozen books on it before she died.
There is no room to parse words here.
I have no doubt she said what she meant Missy. It's how you use what she said that is erroneous.
Like I said, no one is buying that bridge you are trying to sell. You discredit your cause.
Hey, why don't you and the Fonz just get a room already. Really. Go to a motel, get a room and get to making your racist, anti-Israel love…or whatever it is that freaks like you do with each other. And don't tell any of us about it. Just…ugh…go.
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I had a feeling vw would wimp out.
It's similar to how Osama bin Laden sends young men off to blow themselves up, but he personally lacks the guts to don a suicide vest himself.
abortion is evil.
however, if it gets done, the LAW should be followed that for EVERY abortion the sperm donor who is the father of the dead baby, is waiting his turn at the "snip snip" for himself at the same time the abortion is done. the DNA tested sperm doner PAYS for the abortion and his vascectomy. if the sperm donor is 16, or what ever,….so what. snip snip. end of subject.
if the aborted girl is underage, the male goes straight to jail for statutory RAPE. i don't care if he is 14 himself. off to JAIL. don't know if they will baby him in jail after his vasectomy or not, and i don't care. shuffle in to the JAIL! spend 20 years. end of subject.
a big, bossy type, black woman with two pre-teen "brats" for sons, said she had had 10 abortions by age 25. HOW could this be possible? its not like she didn't know where babies come from. another big black girl, age 17, told me she had been raped 7 times! how is this possible? what sort of neighborhood is THAT!? to this day, i can "see" her in the kitchen. what ever happened to her? sad. SAD.
Finally, a good site that isn’t in my face trying to constantly sell me something. Thanks, please keep up the good work.
Thou shalt not murder!
I tend to agree with your post. I’ve had difficulty finding any worthwhile information on this subject. Thanks for your thourough and informitive post.
you need to understand that black women are the original origin of people and far as murder/racist margaret sanger is my offspring going back to acient times. people like you and her try to cover up the true history of the world. the truth is both of you are of african offsring
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