My husband, a former college football player and stalwart fan still, has been telling me tales about Tim Tebow ever since the young man played his debut season at the University of Florida. Not only was this kid a super-great champion of the gridiron, proclaimed my totally jock husband, he is the kind of young man who stands upon his faith with uncommon strength and pride.
The first time I saw Tim for myself and spotted his now famous use of Bible verses in his under-eye paint, I must admit I was wowed. Admittedly, I was more impressed by Tim’s willingness to stand proud on his faith than on his prowess with a football, but even I must admit that winning the Heisman Trophy is no small feat.
So, now Tim has played his final season at the University of Florida, having brought his family, his friends and his school much reason for pride. And he has chosen, along with his mother, to make a profound revelation to the world at large regarding his even being alive. His mother, advised to abort for health reasons, chose instead to bring Tim’s life to fruition. And what a life Tim has had so far.
It’s a strong, irrepressible argument for the very real fact that no mother ever knows, in advance, what the child she and her male partner have conceived, may one day become.
But this is just a scientific, logical fact. Every single person walking this earth today is a former fetus, who was once totally reliant on the beneficence of his or her mother’s womb. We were all of us once embryos, once fetuses and once infants, not the least bit capable of surviving without care-giving. Anyone who can read a middle-school biology book knows this much about human beings.
And no life is predetermined. No one has the omnipotence to gauge what possibilities each and every human life holds. Not mother, not father, not government, not society.
These are irrefutable facts, not controversies.
Yet, so-called feminist groups and “pro-choice” advocates around the country are throwing a nationally broadcast hissy fit over CBS’ decision to air this “controversial” statement by Tim Tebow and his mother.
What’s the problem?
Could the problem for pro-abortion interests be that the term, “pro-choice,” keeps the minds of society and all potential mothers on the very real fact that in the instance of abortion, there is a human being who is given no choice whatsoever. That human being is the child. Through no action of his own, he has been conceived. Through the very real “choice” made by both his mother and his father, he is procreated.
From day one, this embryo, this child, has his own DNA, his own unique place in the human family. This is the fact that gets drowned out by the proponents’ arguments for abortion on demand.
And it is this primordial fact that is obscured, quite successfully, by the “pro-choice” position on abortion.
The real problem with the Tim Tebow ad has nothing to do with football, nothing to do with the legalities of abortion on demand and nothing to do with all the people now living, walking, talking breathing.
It has everything to do with the value of each and every human being, the unknown possibilities of every conceived child and the profound weight of the decision that mothers and fathers made when they chose to conceive.
In the end, abortion proponents are forced to focus only on the mother’s financial, physical and emotional well-being. If they, even for one minute, stop to consider the non-choice of another human being (not to mention fathers), all their arguments to women suddenly fall on deaf ears.
Tim Tebow, with quite astounding football prowess, is one child who was allowed to live. And grow and prosper. And succeed. To the delight of his parents and his family, friends and football fans.
Since 1973, 51 million Americans just like him were not given this privilege. They were killed by abortionists before they had the chance to show what they could be.
And that is a message that the abortion lobby cannot dare let come to light.
Therein lies the problem with the Tebow ad.
Such a pity. Football would probably have survived without the grace of Tim Tebow. Americans need to start asking whether our country can continue to survive the ravages of killing our offspring before they get a chance to give us their gifts.
Yes, to conceive a child is always a choice. Except in the instance of rape, a woman chooses every time a new life is created. Whether or not to end that life, which has been created, is only half a choice. The human being, who is killed, deprived of his right to continue living, is the other half of that choice.
And that’s the half that no abortion proponent can talk about.
Tim Tebow stands as living proof that abortion is a choice too far. Only when women can believe that their baby is nothing but a “blog of fetal tissue” can they see the half-choice of abortion through the rose-colored glasses supplied by the abortion lobby.
We are all former fetuses. Bravo to Tim Tebow and his mom for reminding us of that irrefutable fact.
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An inside look, life before birth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyFrGbAvfHc
This was hashed and rehashed in the post on Saturday…But suffice it to say .. abortion isTHE sacrament to the leftist church of statism and the sooner we can elect people who will vote to defund it, the sooner this barbaric practice can be minimized .
The Pro-Choice movement has proved once again that they are not Pro-Choice but Pro-Abortion. Every time a fetus is not aborted Planned Parenthood makes less money.
A fetus isn't a human. What's wrong with the anti-abortion propaganda is that you don't have the other side – the crackhead babies who become murderers and rapists.
What a Dumb@ss
The fact that we as a society rely on the murder of the unborn is unthinkable. We would be far stronger if we were supportive of life in this, and countless other ways. So many things in our modern world are a product of mans desire to shift accountability from his own to another. We live in a place where murder is better than self reliance. To quote the great Metallica, “Sad but true”.
Fetuses suck their thumbs.
Oh yeah, they aren't thumbs.
And the other side is people like you.
What babies are murderers and rapists? Most of the murderers and rapists I read about are adult Democrats.
It's ok. good ol' Fonz is illustrating the eugenics mentality that drives the placement of PP abortuaries in urban centers.
Honestly the man is so hot – I'll take any commercial with starring him. His mother is a hero.
Fonz just doesn't like heavily pigmented people. They tend to be the ones that get aborted most often.
Speaking of not human…If you were any less human, you'd be a NAZI…Oh, you are….Your mother must be VERY proud…
Now you have+22 pts….Yesterday -65….You've been a busy Nazi…
The issue here is not one of a Religious belief…the issue here is one of willfull ignorance.
This is the XXI Century, Science is no longer 'obscure', and has spoken about the human embryo.
I am a Pediatrician with two Doctorates in Developmental Biology. Basic science teaches that the Embryo is an Individual of the Human Species. From implantation until his/her death (natural or otherwise) that INDIVIDUAL will always be THE SAME individual,
Science also teaches that the Human embryo is not just a bunch of cells developing into a Human, rather it is a Human individual undergoing Development.
Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth of Harvard Medical School stated “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive. …It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception, when egg and sperm join to form the zygote, and this developing human always is a member of our species in all stages of its life."
Dr. Jerome LeJeune, University of Descartes (discoverer of the Down syndrome chromosome) stated the same: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention; it is plain experimental evidence."
With this in mind one can clearly see that Abortion is intrinsically EVIL as it is aimed to the destruction on a defenseless Human Individual. It is as EVIL as Slavery or the Holocaust
This is the Civil Right issue of the XXI century: to uphold that ALL INDIVIDUALS are EQUAL.
Pro-Choice (pro-Abortion) people willfully ignore that thechoice they are for is the death of an innocent individual
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The Tebow ad is fine, but does nothing to change my mind. The Pro Choice groups are nuts to get so angry about it. The logical response ad would be for them to have the parent of a woman who died in childbirth talking about their choice and it’s consequences. They should applaud Mrs. Tebow’s choice to have Tim despite the doctor’s concerns. It should be every woman’s right to take that chance if they feel it’s what they need to do. It should also be every woman’s choice not to take that risk, especially if they already have children they need to care for.
I find the argument that fetus are equal to living babies from day one completely disingenuous. If that was the case, we’d have to have police investigations every time a woman had a miscarriage, and if she did something to cause it (i.e. work too much, not get enough rest, etc…) she’d have to be prosecuted the same as a woman who left her child in a hot car. It’s a ridiculous premise because we all agree that they are not the same thing. Abortions should happen as rarely as possible, but they have to be the choice of the woman because only she has to deal with the consequences (at least the physical ones). Places where the Pro Life community should be able to find consensus with those who don’t totally agree are partial birth abortion and parental notification. They also can work to remind women of how wonderful that life could become (as they are doing with the Tebow ad). Personally I think that’s the best use of their time and resources.
"A fetus isn't a human" – Fonz.
Fonz isn't a human.
Hey Fonz, are Jews humans? You want to retroactively abort them? Hmmmm?
Seig Heil Fonz.
"we'd have to have police investigations every time a woman had a miscarriage" – Des.
Come on, that's ridiculous. That's a biological fuction. Scraping a fetus from the placenta and VACUUMING it out is obviously different.
Have you been around an expaectant mother who has a miscarriage? The trauma is REAL and HEART FELT.
Wake up.
The question is not WHY there are so many abortions,
the question is why are there so many unwanted pregnancies?
There are at LEAST a dozen reliable forms of contraception
available to the public. If we make the use of these
are main focus, we would NOT be having this discussion
Without eugenics, a society will be short-lived. Especially a welfare state.
Five bucks says his previous account got banned.
It's actually me (I played in a Disco band for a few years….now I'm almost fully recovered
).
Is my scenario ridiculous? Sure. But the fact is, if a fetus was the same as a baby, then it's life would have to be protected the same as one. Just because they aren't the same doesn't mean it doesn't have incredible value. I am very much against abortion, but I don't feel anyone has the right to tell a woman she has to undergo a pregnancy which could be quite dangerous (I've had two women close to me who underwent very risky pregnancies, and one almost died). I fully agree that abortion is very different from a miscarriage, just as I say that a fetus is different from a baby. Valuable, but not exactly the same thing. At the moment, the price we pay for giving women the choice is that many choose to capriciously end their pregnancies in a way that is horrific to many of us. I'd like to see that end, but for now there is no better option.
"I find the argument that fetus are equal to living babies from day one completely disingenuous. If that was the case, we'd have to have police investigations every time a woman had a miscarriage"
This argument is not unlike the one where a black person is 3/5 of a person because the law says a black person is 3/5 of a person. There are no such investigations, because of the legal fiction that an unborn child is not a person.
Taken to its absurd, yet very real conclusion, we have the case of a mother in Virginia who killed her just born baby by suffocation. The police could do nothing about it. Why? The baby was still attached to the mother via the umbilical cord.
If the upbringing of a baby has no effect on the outcome of the adult, why bother? Stick the kid in the closet and give him bread and water and spend your money on fun stuff for yourself. After all, the kid has "free will" and it is his own damn fault if he turns out rotten.
If, on the other hand, upbringing DOES matter then those who are brought in to the world in some ghetto environment will be more likely to be a burden on society.
Obviously society agrees with the latter. And it is why thinking individuals (conservatives) don't let their emotions do their thinking (like liberals) and realize abortion is the best option some times.
The very minute the sperm and egg combine, a new DNA pattern is created — not a carbon copy of the father's or the mother's genes, but a new and absolutely unique pattern. It is ludicrous that the decision to end this new being's existence is considered so lightly by so many.
The Talmud teaches Jews that Gentiles are not human.
BTW, I've also been around a woman who's had an abortion, and trust me some of them feel a great sense of loss. I would never trivialize abortion or miscarriages. To some women they are just as devastating as the loss of a child who's already been born. But that doesn't give me the right to force them to carry that baby to term. That's a different argument (and one I've come to believe is not anyone's right to force on them).
What does "Mein Kampf" teach you?
Seig Heil Fonzzy!
Wrong again Little Hitler:
"However, R. Yehudah teaches, that is not the case at all. Gentiles are people and not merely animals and the verse in Ezekiel does not mean that gentiles are animals. To understand the verse literally, the Talmud says, is to misunderstand the verse. Gentiles are unquestionably human, created in G-d's image, and Jewish law recognizes this as do the rabbis of the Talmud."
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/man2.html
See?
With eugenics we might be short one "Fonz".
Yeah. It also has a recipe for blood matzoh.
Fonz’s argument uses the same principle behind the gun control argument. Blame someone or something else for the problems in the world. People like Fonz truly don’t think through this issue at all. How can a person sit there and say that “all these rapists and murderers” aren’t here because of abortion wiping them out? Even if they KNEW that there would be rapists and murderers out of the bunch to be aborted, what difference does that make? There ARE rapists and murderers who are *alive right now*. Abortion didn’t make a damn bit of difference in getting rid of them, did it? Rape and murder still abound.
Every last argument I have EVER heard a pro-abort advocate espouse has at best been ludicrous. Every last one. How people consistently allow politicians to be put into power that continue allowing legalized abortion is beyond me.
Cool. I played in heavy metal bands for years – mid 70's – early 80's.
The difference is obvious. I'm not trying to openly ridicule you point, I appreciate it very much.
If a criminal shots a pregnant woman and kills her and the baby (fetus) dies, many states will charge and convict that perp for murder.
If the woman lives and the baby deis – it's murder.
If the baby (fetus) mlives and the mother dies – it's muder.
In criminal law (in some places) the death of a fetus by murder is punishable by murder charges.
I'm not making stuff up.
When is a Fetus Considered Living?
"Although many states now have fetal homicide laws, there are a wide variety of differences about when a fetus is considered living. In Missouri and 17 other states, the laws recognize a fetus as living at the time of conception."
http://crime.about.com/od/issues/a/fetalhomicide….
Not taking a side either way in this debate, though I will voice that the issue with the Tebow ad is not in the content, but in the fact that CBS is choosing to air the ad despite their own FIRM anti-advocacy policies for ads during the Super Bowl.
The issue is one of discrimination on the part of CBS. They have declined to show ads that have LGBT rights tones to them due to this very policy. They MUST apply the same for Focus as well…otherwise, they MUST permit the advocacy ads they have turned away to air.
Question?…..Are you Blogging from JAIL?
As I said I appreciate your opinion but I think the devaluing of life (from conception through to the elderly) has burdened this country with a cheapening of the value of life.
It seems simplistic – but people ought to strive to NOT GET pregnant if it's going to result inan abortion.
Jake
But he's using the same name…Maybe Stornfront is connected to the IntenseDataBase
My argument, as illustrated by the 3/5 reference and the Virginia case, is that basing your argument against the humanity of an unborn child, by citing the lack of police investigations in cases of miscarriage, is flawed. It is predicated upon law failing to recognize an individual's humanity and rights.
"Plus, who's going to be the first person to advocate jailing a 15 year-old for having an abortion (or doing something to cause a miscarriage) because she was afraid of giving birth?"
Firstly, there is no difference between aborting or "doing something to cause a miscarriage." Why she committed the hypothetical abortion isn't relevant, any more than whether a person of skin color A kills another of skin color B because of B's skin color, or to get the contents of B's wallet. Murder is murder.
"I would disagree with the Virginia case because the baby was born and presumably breathing on it's own. It's a weird case, but being attached doesn't equal not being born (in my meager understanding of the law)."
That's exactly my point! In Virginia, that is the law. But just because the law says the baby is not a person, does not change the reality that the baby was, in fact, a person! Further, the fiction of linking personhood to birth is what makes legal the obscenity of partial birth abortion. You see, if all but the babies head is delivered, it's perfectly legal to murder it by butchering the part that's still inside the mother's body.
Oh, snap!
Dear Fonz,
Let me attempt to use an analogy to dissect your thinking.
(apologies to comparing a human fetus to a Ford)
Let's say there is an assembly line with a Ford (pre-car) on it. A guy comes up and says, "Excuse me, I'm taking this compilation of metal, plastic, rubber and glass to the dump. The guy on the line says, "Wait, you can't take a perfectly good car and destroy it!"
The first man says, "It is not a car yet, and anyway, how do you know it will be a perfectly good car? Maybe it will be a lemon, or maybe it will end up even killing someone. In fact it might be better if I just take all these pre-cars. Better safe than sorry."
Must they? Who say? The law? Please cite.
Maybe not such a bad idea.
Hey Fonz, sit on it! EVERYTHING God creates is a living creature. Not just when birth takes place, but the very moment God decides to put another living, breathing creature on this Earth. Those who decide to play God for God are really playing with fire. Please rethink this & leave the issue of life & death to God. They are His province only.
It's obvious your parents' closet approach did not work.
LOL! Smacks of desperation.
Tim Tebow, the notorious rageaholic who screams at everybody and has all the classic signs of steroid abuse? That Tim Tebow? He's a hero? OK.
All true, and the juxtaposition of gun rights and Fonz's racism is particularly relevant. The origins of "gun control" as it is manifest today, has as its origin the goal of keeping guns out of the hands of blacks.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has an excellent video that touches upon this issue: http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/movieplay-ngn-swf...
Absolutely BRILLIANT analysis…well quoted, and properly supported…!!
+1 to you…you obviously got your education's worth, and so did our society…thank you for what you do…
we need abortion laws in the usa that reflect the will of the people – we need post-birth abortions to rid ourselves of global warming, food shortages, and over population! We need the true believers to sacrifice themselves now – national organization of wo-men! if you cna't contribute to life get out of the way and volunteer all planned parenthood charter members first!
To draw conclusions solely to avoid (let's assume for the sake of argument) the extremely challenging consequences of alternate conclusions is supremely absurd. Reality simply is. How to deal with it is an entirely different question.
LOL! Read it. Face the truth Nazi.
He's reached "Fuhrer" level there. This is a "side gig".
That works well with your theories of racial bigotry and hate, don't it…
Let's try this…everything should be done to maximize opportunities and choices for anyone and everyone who wants employment within the United States, to the maximum of their capability or need…
Lucky us..I'm for free speech, but not the hateful bile he spews…In Germany he'd be arrested…
Sounds like communism to me.
Hey Fronz
Ive said this before, and bears repeating…….
It's really too bad that you've basterdized your obvious intelligence and writing ability, to be nothing more then a two-bit hate monger….Are you really Jimmah Carter???
If you've never taken the time to learn biology, I guess it's easy to make sweeping generalities with no basis in fact. The "crackhead baby" my wife and I adopted 3 years ago was an innocent, living fetus and is now a wonderful person. Abortion kills, Adoption saves.
Right at 50 % of black conceptions end in abortion. The Fonz is in good company with Barack I've-never-seen-a-baby-that-didn't-deserve-to-die Obama. One of the first things he did after his coronation was repeal the Mexico City thing.
Right? Nothing like a little "barely legal" pregnancy pr0n, eh? There's probably a website for just that fetish. *shudder*
Emotions don't "do" thinking. There are, in a sense, mutually exclusive but I appreciate your recognizing that Conservatives are the thinkers. Wow, the posters, above, are right–your idiot wrapping is coming off, Moron.
If you knew anything about communism, you would understand why you've been brainwashed into thinking that your emotions are to be trusted more than your ability to think.
Probably the callousness and crassness of Illiberals/Regressives.
"opportunities and choices", not "requirements", you burned-out bulb…
I can see why you're confused…your Obummer corrupted the language, and you're not up to the proper usage…
To get things from the government, you must meet "requirements"…to get things for yourself, you need "opportunities and choices"…
GOD, liberals are SO STUPID…
Thank you for the article. Some of us who have researched always knew that life begins the second the embryo is fertilized by the sperm. The "pro-choice" robots want an easy way out of a pregnancy. Well good for them. If they choose to murder their child in the womb nothing we say or do will stop them. They have no regard for anything living except for their own self-serving existence.
I believe in the sanctity and the miracle of life be it a tadpole embryo or a human embryo BUT right now I wish that Stanley Ann Dunham would've chosen an abortion. Also Pelosi's and Soros's mother. Sorry.
The subject isn't "life" – your arm is alive. Cutting off a mole isn't murder. You want to say HUMAN life. Soooo, if you want to say 1 – 8 cells of undifferentiated tissue (no brain at all) means a human then you just make yourself sound fringe.
"If a criminal shots a pregnant woman and kills her, and the baby (fetus) dies, many states will charge and convict that perp for murder."
That is an excellent point and I don't have a great answer. The problem is, it's circular logic. If a fetus is treated as a person for purposes of murder, then it should be for miscarriages and abortions. But if it was, you'd be forcing women to register with the government when they became pregnant and subject them to investigations and possible punishment if that baby died due to their actions (as determined by the court). That's an enormous intrusion into our lives by the government and I wouldn't support it for a second.
Abortions are terrible in most cases, but you can't have it sometimes be a life and other times be an acceptable choice (such as life of the mother or child rape victim exceptions). Bottom line is it's far more complicated than the "fetus = life" equation portrayed often by the Pro Life side. It's also more complicated than "woman seeing abortion = irresponsible." That's why neither end of the ideological spectrum is ever going to win this debate. There are more people against abortion than at any time in my life (I'm in my 40s), yet we're no closer to outlawing it than we were when Roe v Wade was made law. I don't know what the right answer is, so my default position has to be to leave it up to the woman.
I wonder how many of you pro-lifers are there to adopt a baby born with an addiction to drugs or physical or mental disabilities – or even a child born to a single woman who can not afford to offer it a good life. Unwanted babies probably don't all turn out to be football heroes. You talk, but do you act on your belief that life is sacred once the child is born>
On that we can wholeheartedly agree.
It that what you get from this article? wow. I thought it was about what all of those aborted babies could have been.
They are not "our" fetuses, they are not "our" children. That is the argument the left takes to justify burrowing itself into the most important respibility we have. Use that argument and they will control you.
You have a very illogical mind. I guess you follow the "throw of the dice" mindset of child rearing which, again, means you may as well leave them in the closet and raise them like an animal because it makes no difference……..right? OR does upbringing MATTER. And if upbringing matters, then those with a poor upbringing are more likely to turn out bad. And these mothers know it – aren't married, etc…. So why not give them the choice to save us all a lot of grief – not just her?
The anti-abortionists fall primarily in to two categories:
Religious-types who are controlled by some church and other fallible institutions to tell them what "Gawd" says for them to do (irrational)
Those driven purely by emotions.
"My argument, as illustrated by the 3/5 reference and the Virginia case, is that basing your argument against the humanity of an unborn child, by citing the lack of police investigations in cases of miscarriage, is flawed. It is predicated upon law failing to recognize an individual's humanity and rights."
My argument is that if women were told they'd have to report to the government when they got pregnant and face possible prosecution (and certain investigation) if they miscarried, you'd see the percentage of support among women go from wherever it is right now (30%-40%) down to almost 0. There are some people who grieve a miscarriage every bit as much as the loss of a child, but far more who do not. The fact is, almost every one of us treats a fetus differently in our minds than a baby who's been born. Therefore to argue that they are the same is disingenuous. I'm not saying it isn't a life or that it doesn't have great value. Just that they are not in fact the same.
"Firstly, there is no difference between aborting or "doing something to cause a miscarriage."
So you are saying that you'd be in favor of prosecuting women that had miscarriages if a court determined that they were negligent in some way. OK, that is a consistent position, but I think I can safely say it wouldn't even be close to the majority one. It's the people who aren't consistent that bug me (i.e. "A fetus is a life, but if the mother's life is in jeopardy then it's OK"). You believe so strongly in that unborn life that you are willing to tell (using the force of the government) a woman how she has to behave. I'm not. So we'll have to agree to disagree.
"The "pro-choice" robots want an easy way out of a pregnancy."
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Strawmen arguments don't help anyone. It annoys people who don't completely agree, and angers people who disagree. People who are pro choice are hardly robots. To say that women want an easy way out of pregnancy (not just some, but every last one) is moronic. A woman with 6 kids gets pregnant again and the doctor tells her if she gives birth she might die. So you say she's a robot or looking for the easy way if she doesn't choose to risk her life (and leave the children she does have without a mother).
Gee, now I understand why you're pro life. Your compassion just oozes from your post.
I might sound fringe to you, but I am a normal person who does not believe is aborting fetuses for the sake of convenience. The pro-choice "fringe" believe murder is the right way to go especially if the baby will interfere with their lifestyle. Abortion in today's society is like getting an enema. OOPS. Forgot to take my pill, forgot to buy a condom etc etc.
Meanwhile the Muslims here in the USA do not beleive in abortion and their birthrate is 8 to 1 of our babies. Do some calculating and you will see which direction this nation is heading for.
How can we as a society justify the killing of our unborn and then utilize the embryonic stem cells for "healing" to justify it. We're eating our young and this doesn't bother anyone?
Yes, many people do just that.
Wonderful article, Kyle-Anne.
To the individual ("The Fonz") who posted that the fetus is not human, "fetus" is Latin for "young one." There is no distinction there between a human being in the womb and one who has left his/her momma's special growing place.
[Fonz wrote
If, on the other hand, upbringing DOES matter then those who are brought in to the world in some ghetto environment will be more likely to be a burden on society.]
Funny, Michael Oher grew up in that world and turned into a God-fearing, responsible, and compassionate member of the Baltimore Ravens. Check out the hit movie, "The Blind Side" for the abridged version of Oher's life.
Just because a Black guy is born in the ghetto doesn't mean he's doomed to be a gangbanger. It's a Leftist mindset that declares environment fatalistically determines someone's destiny.
We tried to adopt but the waiting list runs into the years. Most women who choose to give birth keep their babies now.
CBS is not a government agency and thus can air or ban whatever they chose.
If a homosexual dating site wants to add to the flood of pro-gay TV propaganda, they can always air their ad on a more receptive network.
People who first scream "fetish" tend to engage in them.
Didn't pro-lifer Sarah Palin have a baby with a handicap?
@catsden
One more thing. Are YOU trying to adopt any of the orphans you're concern about?
If not, you should look in the mirror before pointing your finger at other "hypocrites."
The good news in that 6 out of 10 of Americans, especially in the under 30 crowd, consider abortion morally wrong:
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/805...
The next big challenge is getting elected officials to catch up with the pro-life public. That's where prayer and electing pro-life officials come in.
Fred2: I am not opposed to allow a woman to have an abortion, so I don't prattle on about fetuses uniting, and murder of "pre-born." Still, your attack was a nice diversion and removed all responsibility for your concern for the "young ones."
The link isn't working. I do want to see it, please see if its missing something in the URL.
You are brilliant! I love your methods of showing the idiocy of the troll!
I'll put your posture down to ignorance of the history and facts surrounding the abortion issue. Honesty has never been the issue, particularly on the pro-abortion side.
Abortion was illegal in all 50 states from the Revolution until 1973. In all of those years, how many women were imprisoned for having abortions? Answer: None. Zero. Nada. Laws against abortion were always aimed at those who performed abortions. The laws looked at women who had had abortions as victims. Enforcement of the abortion statutes was always directed at finding and prosecuting abortionists who made their actions known in the trail of injured or dead women left in their wake.
The original feminists Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were active in promoting laws which outlawed abortions from the moment of conception, because they saw abortion for what it truly is—a method for keeping women in sexual subjugation to sexually irresponsible men.
Thats Jimmah Cahta….
I was enlightened the other day to a better spelling of the last name….thought you would appreciate it!
The Fonz still sucks his thumb!
I was not talking about extenuating circumstances. I was talking about "run of the mill abortions" because a woman or teenager was not thinking about what they were doing. My brother-in-law is a gynecologist and I have seen the worst possible cases that did require abortions to save the mother. Two headed fetuses, no limbs or maybe 6 limbs…this is not what i was referring to.
I was talking about mindless, everyday abortions that the pregnancy should not have happened due to negligence on the part of the woman because she was too lazy to take precautions. I do have compassion, but I don't have tolerance for teenagers screwing around negligently or women that get pregnant due to their own fault and don't want the baby interferring with their lifestyle. Think before you get drunk or get sexually motivated and have no protection!
I must say I love watching the left go apoplectic over the ad.
"Reframe the debate."
"Get control of the message."
All that lib-babble.
The general public sees their reaction and is turned off by it. That's not a bad thing.
"Laws against abortion were always aimed at those who performed abortions."
Which proves how utterly and completely dishonest the discussion has been. If abortion is murder (because fetuses are exactly the same as babies), then miscarriages are exactly the same as manslaughter or negligent homicide, yet women were not held responsible for either. So how is that consistent with the position that it's murder? Sounds more like abortion was treated as an illegal medical procedure. If it's murder, then hiring someone to do it is just as bad as the person who does it (and if you do it accidentally it still carries criminal punishment). If not, then you're making my argument that they really are different in almost everyone's mind.
OH MY!!! How do I even begin to respond! Let’s get this fact right from the get go…no one decides that they will conceive a baby just because they have sex. Some people try for years and can’t make this happen. DON’T WE HUMANS GET IT! We can make the choice to have sex….or not…but the developing baby inside the human body was not designed by man’s ingenious!!! Life can only happen through a human body…otherwise we can’t have life. We were created to reproduce LIFE! If there were no human being there would be no human life. A fetus is not a blob of tissue! It moves because it is a living being inside another living being. Look at an ultrasound…even in an abortion the removing of a living body is evidence that it is LIFE ending… A horrific sight!
I HAD AN ABORTION and I can tell you that it was LIFE, part of my life that is now gone. I don’t have a Tim Tebow to prove that it was a living life but it still was a living life just as you and I are right now writing all this stuff.
No one has the right to decide that I will definitely conceive and therefore no one has the right to definitely take the conception. He who gives life is the only one who can truly take life away. I WAS WRONG…and all abortion is wrong! Check out my testimony just to get a taste of what one’s life becomes as a result of abortion then tell me it is still ok…Go to: http://www.sermonaudio.com/theezekielproject and click on “Will Anyone Let This Cry Be Heard?” Thank you Mom Tebow! I celebrate your son’s life with you! Sorry to say you can’t celebrate my child’s life with me…..
"My argument is that if women were told they'd have to report to the government when they got pregnant and face possible prosecution (and certain investigation) if they miscarried, you'd see the percentage of support among women go from wherever it is right now (30%-40%) down to almost 0."
That is called a straw man argument. I haven't seen anyone promote pregnancy registration.
"There are some people who grieve a miscarriage every bit as much as the loss of a child, but far more who do not."
Irrelevant. Whether a child is grieved has no bearing on her humanity.
"The fact is, almost every one of us treats a fetus differently in our minds than a baby who's been born."
See above.
"I'm not saying it isn't a life or that it doesn't have great value."
You certainly appear to be saying the child isn't human life, yet you have yet to provide support for this assertion.
"…but I think I can safely say it wouldn't even be close to the majority one."
You are comfortable with put an individual's humanity to a vote, then?
"A fetus is a life, but if the mother's life is in jeopardy then it's OK."
This is actually a position fully consistent with the pro-life position (not to mention Jewish teaching).
"You believe so strongly in that unborn life that you are willing to tell (using the force of the government) a woman how she has to behave."
I am very comfortable with law proscribing certain behavior. Assaults. Theft. Fraud. And most to this issue, murder. I'm not clear on what you mean by the phrase "You believe so strongly in that unborn life.." though. The child, and the child's death, are both very real. No belief or faith is necessary.
Bet you don't live in a Black neighborhood, either.
Well, according to the movie he needed a White person to save him.
Either way, statistically I'm right.
That's fine, but it's not what you said. Not to bust your chops, but when you make sweeping statements people who don't know you have to take you at your word.
I despise the idea of using abortion as birth control. But you can't make laws that say it's OK for certain women to do it under certain circumstances (although I suppose using the murder analogy it could be considered self-defense). The price we pay for keeping it legal (which I see no way around considering our current technology) is that some (maybe even most) people will misuse it. If someone can propose a way to remove fetuses and grow them outside the mother's body, then I could revisit the argument. Until that happens, the only people who can make the determination are the woman and her doctor. The only thing we can do is council them that there are other options (and unforeseen downsides to doing the "easy" thing). We could also make it easier for ones who simply cannot afford it (with no support system, how does a woman afford appropriate medical care and the time she'd be unable to work?). The problem is, that gets into the government being more socialistic in regards to the health care system which most of us do not want.
There are a lot of problems that have to be overcome before you could convince Americans to outlaw (or almost completely restrict) the procedure. I see people talking a lot about the shortcomings of the women making the decisions, which sounds far more like people wanting to be punitive than having compassion for the unborn. Not making accusations against you, but again reminding you that what people write and say portrays a lot they might not intend.
So, environment matters – thus proving my point. Have him grow up in a crack den instead. Why not?
Adoption is distracting you – you could have had your own child and brought him up properly. We are discussing people who can NOT bring up children properly.
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