Pro-lifers have long understood the issue of media bias. Years ago, the late, pro-choice David Shaw wrote a series of articles in the Los Angeles Times showing how biased his own newspaper was when reporting on abortion. Shaw showed that bias came through not just on stories about abortion. Shaw showed how even stories that related to surgery on unborn children were skewed or spiked to avoid anything that might have a pro-life message.

Now, we have National Public Radio (NPR) lining up to support the pro-abortion side in the ongoing struggle over this issue. Managing Editor David Sweeney recently issued a memorandum to staff ordering them to use only the politically correct designations for the contending sides in the debate: abortion rights advocates is the approved way of referring to those who favor liberalized abortion; abortion rights opponents is the only way NPR will refer, from now on, to pro-lifers.
This should not come as any great shock to us. NPR has long been hostile to conservatives and traditional values. The part I object to most strenuously, that I think we should all object to, is that NPR takes public tax money to spread its pro-abortion bias.
You are more likely to hear about transvestites in Mongolia on “All Things Considered” than to learn about the 3,000-plus Pregnancy Resources Centers created and staffed by American volunteers. “Fresh Air” would be more likely to cover a hole in the ozone layer than to report on California’s underground reporter Lila Rose. Lila Rose’s brave and truthful reporting blew the cover off Planned Parenthood’s racist practices and disclosed how that world trafficker in abortion ignores laws on statutory rape.
There is little pro-lifers can do to stop the relentless pro-abortion bias of the New York Times. We can take some grim satisfaction in the fact that the Gray Lady is now in serious decline. The late Richard Neuhaus used to tease the Times by calling it “our parish newspaper.” He exposed its fundamental dishonesty over long decades. Newsweek, another liberal mainstay that sneers at pro-lifers, is now on the auction bloc.
If you are pro-choice and doubt my charge of bias and you dismiss the proof provided by pro-choice reporter, David Shaw, I ask you to take this challenge: Is there any group other than NPR, the New York Times, Newsweek, and the rest of the liberal claque, that does not get to decide what it calls itself?
Think of the old Soviet Union. It was never a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, although it called itself that. As soon as the Berlin Wall came down, most of those “republics” made a break for freedom. Hezbollah—the Lebanon-based terrorist outfit funded by Iran—has a name that translates “Party of God.” Do even liberal reporters and editors think Hezbollah’s activities are godly? Let Chastity Bono, the daughter of Sonny and Cher Bono, go through surgery and hormone treatments and is there a liberal publication on the planet that will not call this person Chaz and refer to this person as a man?
Pro-lifers alone are denied the right to be called what we call ourselves. Maybe it’s because liberal scribes see the power in the pro-life designation. Maybe it’s because they know that the truth can make people free.

Pro-lifers are not just against liberalized abortion. We object to elder-killing—what they call euphemistically, physician-assisted suicide. We protest cloning humans. So, according to Gallup, do 88% of Americans. We are against killing unborn embryonic humans to obtain their stem cells.
“Pro-life” puts our various “antis” into one neat, descriptive, and truthful phrase. Maybe NPR is doing us a favor, however. The president of the conservative Heritage Foundation described his first visit to Moscow after the Iron Curtain came down. He was accosted by an elderly Russian woman who thanked him profusely for all he had done for freedom.
“How did you know what we did for freedom?” he asked, noting that under Communism, the press was rigidly controlled. “Whenever they mentioned Heritage Foundation,” the grandmotherly Russian said, “they told us how bad you were. That’s how we knew you were good!”
So go ahead, NPR, continue your obvious and shameless bias. And the next time we have a Congress that listens, let’s demand that NPR do it on your own dime. Let NPR line up with the Times and Newsweek and see if you sink or swim.






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Wouldn't someone who was legitimately "pro-choice" oppose taxpayers being FORCED to fund abortions and pro-abortion propaganda? Wouldn't someone who was legitimately "pro-choice" oppose the Supreme Court FORCING states to legalize abortion?
Wouldn't someone who was legitimately "pro-life" not endorse exemptions for the life of a woman? Wouldn't someone who was legitimately "pro-life" not care about the continued physical and mental well-being of a woman who has been raped being forced to carry to term? Wouldn't someone who was legitimately "pro-life" not advocate for universal health care, no matter the tax rate required to support it?
It is long past time to end taxpayer funding of NPR. Budget Cuts!
As wll as funding for the NAtional Endowment for the Arts. There is something to be said for the term "starving artist".
If you don't have the talent (i.e., crucifix in urine) then you should get another job wven if it is creating burger art at Golden Arch Inn.
Good pro-life cartoon calling Pro-Choice what it really is at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/word...
The next time we have a Congress that listens. Yes. And that should be our main focus right now. We can't let the political debate get thrown into the Roe v. Wade Cuisinart to divide a voting population that should be united against the Progressive liars.
Who wants to kill unborn children? We know. And in a world with billions of people there will always be circumstances.
I'd rather the spotlight be shown on FLOTUS & The New Black Panthers and the massacre of election fraud law. Christian Adams just confirmed to me what I already knew. They are getting ready to cook the November elections.
And if FLOTUS and Valerie have their way in November then folks abortion will be one of the last worries we'll have. Good luck to you crackers in Philadelphia and the other major cities where the New Black Panthers will be deployed.
I always thought it was National PUBIC Radio.
Most of these limp-wristed people on NPR are Brit Twits, and the rest are no better.
There is nothing worse than one of these female Brit Twits with that silly nasal twang spitting out those final "t's" as if there is no tomorrow. Whenever I hear, "beat it" turn into "be Tit" I laugh and am proud to speak English the way God meant it to be spoken.
the answer, across the board- is no…
The right for the unborn is the key here; they have NO voice. This is the essence of the debate; either they have a right to be born (meaning the mother has a DUTY to see it to term) or they don't. One cannot nuance the situation.
Universal health care already exists in emergency rooms…
I agree. The cost to broadcast on a per listener (both of them) basis must be millions.
So you believe in enslaving women.
So much for liberty being an unalienable right.
And then you wonder how Obama managed to convince people they have a DUTY to provide health care to everyone.
Well, if NPR can call pro-lifers whatever they want, I guess I will refer to NPR as "The Leeches Who Broadcast Stuff that No One Listens to".
NPR is what the current cabal would like all media to be: state-funded, left-wing, and above all subservient. Although Elena Kagan should be filibustered, let alone not confirmed, because she is unqualified and an utter mediocrity, she has sounded the right notes for Obama and company on restriction of free speech. At one point, liberals had principles and one of them was protection of free speech. No more. Kagan is the poster child for the left-wing's contemporary view of constitutional rights.
Take a long, hard listen to NPR. If this nation doesn't get a grip, that will be how all broadcasts sound. Devices like Journolist simply are intermdiary steps along the path to state control of information.
The federal government demonstrates every waking hour how incompetent, clueless, politically motivated, completely without sense, and corrupt they are. There is virtually nothing they touch that doesn't turn to sinking sand. "Universal health care" will soon be "back of the line" medical rationing. That reality is already clear in ongoing budget debates.
National health care will bring about unlimited abortion on demand, justified by the likes of manipulating media monkey Elena Kagan. From stem cell research to genetic engineering is a short step.
Wouldn't someone who was legitimately "pro-life" not advocate for universal health care, no matter the tax rate required to support it?
Assuming the "not" is extraneous, someone might not advocate for "universal" health care, if that meant "socialized" health care, which would mean less aggregate health care, thereby making that good less plentiful.
There is also a straw-man here in saying that someone is "illigetimately" pro-life if I can concoct an extremist scenario by which they must cross some moral absolute in their belief. This is what was done to Michael Dukakis in asking him about how he would react in the case of his wife being raped and murdered. If you throw both my children into a raging river, and I can save only one, does that make me anti- the other?
Given the large variety of media outlets available, and the diverse points of view one can choose to hear in this day and age, the funding for National Public Radio is they type of elitist botique niche that this country does not need to fund, nor can it any longer afford to, considering the National Balance Sheet.
As opposed to the straw-man inherent in the original question as to people being "illegitimately" pro-choice by concocting an absurd scenario where enabling choice is "forcing" people not to have a choice?
As opposed to the straw-man inherent in the original question as to people being "illegitimately" pro-choice by concocting a scenario where giving funds so people can make a choice is "forcing" people not to have a choice?
If you establish a one-party state but allow primaries to determine the party candidate, does that make you anti-freedom? In fact, it does.
"Public" radio is an absolute sham. It's clearly not representational of the listening audience since it's numbers pale in comparison to conservative talk shows. Give them the bandwidth/broadcast signal, let them finance production through donations or commercial content. Millions of other peoples money goes to subsidize propaganda based programing without a thought for opposing viewpoints. End the leftist domination of congress and with it goes the manipulating media monkeys.
Indeed.
Which is why giving the government the power to force women to carry to term against their will is a horrific precedent, establishing a government position in intruding to force people to have a DUTY to provide for others, not to mention the precedent for government determining what other medical procedures are and are not freely available.
Excellent RRR, sink or swim………just as Mr Blackwell said.
NPR is the buggy-whip of the 21st century. Obsolete.
if you consider bringing an unborn innocent to term 'slavery' as opposed to a female responsibility to nurture life, than the operable answer would be yes…
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Dress it up in whatever pleasant terms you want, it is forcing a woman to sacrifice part, perhaps all, of her life for the sake of some theoretical other life.
That is in fact worse than slavery, but it seems to be something you would willingly subject others to while objecting to having any of your mere wealth used to similar ends.
That of course is simply hypocrisy.
NPR is emphatically not doing the anti-abortion movement a favour with this one.
By mandating that abortion opponents be termed "abortion RIGHTS opponents", it frames abortion as a right — something that emphatically it is not.
Uh…….this one's a NO BRAINER.
WHO'S GONNA DONATE TO PUBLIC TV?
YOU?
ME?
HELL NO.
They get squat from me. I don't even watch them. EVER. No hits on the net, no NPR no TV. Nada. Hope they can make it on foundation grants and gov't handouts. Why would we pay them money? Seen and decent' PBS shows in the last 20 years? I haven't. At least nothin I'd PAY to see.
no hypocrisy, friend…
Just a philosophy of defending the ultimate in innocence. You may spin this however way it makes you feel right; we respect your position.
Just do not- and never will- agree with it.
Once again, you want to parse terms to usurp a moral highground you are not entitled to.
You will force women to do your reproductive bidding but you will not subject yourself to force to ensure the welfare of the already born. That is absolute hypocrisy. As Kipling wrote:
WHETHER the State can loose and bind
In Heaven as well as on Earth:
If it be wiser to kill mankind
Before or after the birth—
These are matters of high concern
Where State-kept schoolmen are;
But Holy State (we have lived to learn)
Endeth in Holy War.
Whether The People be led by The Lord,
Or lured by the loudest throat:
If it be quicker to die by the sword
Or cheaper to die by vote—
These are things we have dealt with once,
(And they will not rise from their grave)
For Holy People, however it runs,
Endeth in wholly Slave.
You are content to let mankind die after birth as long as you secure the birth in the first place.
I prefer not to be wholly slave to anyone.
And no, it is quite clear there is little to no respect for my position, so no need for the pretense.
ok, so be it…
You are a secularist, and a moral relatavist. You obviously have no regard for 'theoretical' life.
You were once 'theoretical' life as well. No one is advocating forcing a woman to term. But abortion should only happen in the m ost dire of circumstances.
You may wax eloquent, and thumb us down all you want. Kipling was a Freemason, and they have a different belief system. So, none of your assertions do anything to change that which is incontrivertable. Life IS precious, and no human can determine when that precious moment starts.
Certainly not you…
The moral relativist here is you, choosing people to enslave to satisfy your sense of moral superiority with absolutely no respect for the beliefs of others that life begins at birth, not conception.
"Only the most dire of circumstances" is nonsense, as it still admits to the power of government to force decisions of life and death on others. What if someone requires a transplant? Certainly that is a dire circumstance. By your standards the government will have free reign to forcibly reallocate the "wealth" of healthy organs among people according to need.
You may wax ineloquent and thumb me down all you want, you certainly seem eager to.
If no one can determine when that precious moment starts, how do you presume to do so?
Oh, I forgot, you assure us all of your moral supremacy, and therefore you have the unrestrained power to subvert the freedom of others in pursuit of it. Kipling had the answer to that as well:
Whatsoever, for any cause,
Seeketh to take or give,
Power above or beyond the Laws,
Suffer it not to live!
Holy State or Holy King—
Or Holy People’s Will—
Have no truck with the senseless thing.
Order the guns and kill!
Saying—after—me:—
Once there was The People—Terror gave it birth;
Once there was The People and it made a Hell of Earth.
Earth arose and crushed it. Listen, O ye slain!
Once there was The People—it shall never be again!
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Not really, at least in his first case. It's not extreme or absurd, it is in fact in play as we speak. And I can provide you with a real world example. The actress Dana Delaney voted for Barack Obama for a cited reason, she wanted American tax money to be spent overseas helping women have abortions, which GWB had stopped. Now, she always had the personal freedom to fund anyone's abortion she chose, but that is not what she wanted; she wanted, as a government policy, to take my money and use it to fund abortion, regardless of my opinion about the subject. Now you would and she would consider her "Pro-choice" , Herbs814 notes her determination to not allow him to have "a choice" about the use of his tax money for a purpose he considers immoral.
Qualitatively different from your postulates.
And Rand Paul opposes abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the life of the mother.
He wants to prohibit people from having any say, any choice, under any circumstances. Now you would and he would consider him "Pro-life". He is however determined not to allow any woman to have any freedom in saving her life, regardless of her opinion about the subject, because he considers it immoral.
Qualitatively identical to my postulates.
Conversely, we can consider the other option:
Get government out of medical decisions altogether, both financing them and prohibiting or mandating them. Of course that means accepting other people may use their money to fund abortions for themselves and others, but apparently them having that freedom is still "forcing" many "pro-life" people to do something or other above and beyond merely respecting the privacy rights of others, and apparently that concept is anathema to many.
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public service – taking money from the public through the use of force and using it to pay for something which they don't want, because you think it will be good for them.
One of the things the soviets sought to destroy, when they made up their tactics list of how to destroy america, was art.
"Why would we pay them money?"
You do pay them money. That's what taxes are for.
Right, Oreo,
Put that on our "TO UNDO" list!
One gov't dollar for every $100 donated…..by non foundations! Only match public donations.
Precisely. Through their actions they've effectively replaced the "P" in NPR and PBS with "Progressive" instead of "Public." Well, the public's sick and tired, let the 'progressives' pay for it from now on.
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Pro-lifers donate much time and money in operating crisis pregnancy centers all over this nation. These centers provide accurate information about fetal development, as well as medical, emotional and spiritual support to the mothers of unborn children. They provide "safe homes" in cases where a woman or girl might be endangered. They provide parenting classes, adoption information, clothing and other supplies for the babies, and a host of other services. When given factual information about fetal development and offered true choices, including adoption, very few women walk out to seek abortion. These centers do not receive a dime from their clients or the government. Surely "pro-choice" advocates, if they feel so strongly about the issue, could step up to the plate and operate Planned Parenthood on their own donations, especially since many so-called "pro-choice" people are wealthy celebrities.
That's a false argument. You have a choice about getting pregnant – It is not slavery if you had a choice. Once your actions/choices create another life it must be considered, and arguably has as much right to life as the mother. In reality most of the abortions performed because the "life of the mother" is threatened or the mother's "mental well being" would be impaired are trumped up excuses for convenience and rationalization. As for rape, should we kill an innocent child or should we require a woman to be inconvenienced for nine months and then give the child up for adoption. That makes about as much sense as killing a family member or police officer who failed to protect the woman. If you want to kill someone, why not the rapist?
Surely they should.
Just because I advocate for legal abortion does not mean I advocate for government subsidized health care, with one, and only one, exception. (That being the provision of innoculations against communicable, potentially pandemic, diseases. I should think the reasoning for that exmeption is obvious, understandable, and reasonable.)
I am dissenting here only on the issue of prohibition, and on the basis that it opens the door to too many intrusions into other areas.
You do?
When you are raped?
That is hardly a choice.
And since you do not support an exemption for rape, why you do indeed support slavery, so I guess it is not a false argument at all, but a completely accurate representation of what you want to do, by your own definition.
So now that we have established that slavery is acceptable to you in cases of rape, how can you possibly not support confiscatory taxation to provide others types of welfare and medical care? After all, it makes as much sense to kill the administrators at the insurance agency who refuse to provide coverage as it does to just let a person die of something that could be treated. And if someone has a congenital problem, it makes as much sense to kill their parents for passing it along as it does to let them die when a kidney or somesuch can be harvested from someone else to provide life for that person.
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NPR must be shut down immediately – if it cannot raise it's own money to continue to exist, it doesn't deserve to exist
Many years ago, I read a news article that went something like:
Several dozen anti-abortion activist protesters were met by nearly 100 pro-choice counter-demonstrators.
(It was a small town.) There was a whole lot of false connotation and agenda in the way the story was written. Mixing count terminology (dozen and hundred) to the left's benefit. Using a dysphemism for one group (pro-life) and the chosen name for the other group (pro-choice). Using a term with a more violent connotation (protester) and a less violent connotation (counter-demonstrator). And it successfully hid the fact the "several dozen" pro-lifers had more numbers than the "nearly 100" pro-choicers.
We will always have this in the lamestream media and in state schools. Always. And as long as NPR and PBS get government monies, we will always pay our own money to have this propaganda shoved down our throats. The left has to deny the facts and add derogatory and inflammatory wording else it lose the debate in the public realm. And I fully agree NPR, PBS, NEA need axed in the next Republican Congress (which can't come too soon).
But, thanks to talk radio, FOX News (which is right-leaning but not fully in the tank), the blogosphere, TEA Party, word is finally getting out to Joe Public. Those who hold to the truth are becoming much less demoralized and those seeking facts are finding those facts easier to come by. And this is what makes the statists and JournoListers wake up in a cold sweat at night.
This is why I say that I am 'anti-abortion' and not 'pro-life'. Take all rapists and child molesters out in a field and put a bullet in their heads. Dead rapists, child molesters, and straw dogs.
My feeling regarding rapists, particularly child molesters is simple:
First, we are a nation of laws. We cannot play the "progressive" game of winking and nodding about jailhouse sexual assaults somehow constituting an acceptable enough extra-judicial punishment to compensate for the lack of a death penalty, permanent incarceration, or the like. To do so would be to destroy ourselves.
Second, our Constitution, which I believe in without reservation, establishes that there shall be no cruel and unusual punishment. So no matter how much I believe that the truly equitable punishment would be to castrate them then impale them on blunt stakes until they bleed to death, we just plain cannot do that, as again it would destroy our very foundation.
Third, the above being said, I see nothing cruel in the death penalty, and nothing unusual or excessive in executing sexual predators. Their crime has fully the same destructive quality as murder, and deserves the same punishment. When one adds in the overwhelming recidivism rate of sexual offenders, the need for the ultimate sanction for the protection of the community becomes equally overwhelming, and overcomes any argument that taking a life when a life has not actually been taken is disproportionate.
Together, rather than this being a sign of barbarity, it is instead indicative of the advanced and civil nature of our society that we restrain ourselves from the excess that the crime truly warrants in the name of our humanity, while still requiring a full sanction for a crime that remains capable of evoking such emotion, no matter our restraint.
Agreed. I can't see why we have to have TVs, computers and weight rooms in prisons. Split the current prison system into two separate systems, one for first time, non-violent convicts, and the other for habitual and violent offenders, those not sentenced to death. The first group could be rehabilitated and serve as trusties in the prisons for the second group. The second group would break rocks.
I don't know what the statistics are, but I would guess that there are plenty of doctors, dentists and folks with farming skills in prison and we should put their skills to use. I don't see any reason why prisons shouldn't be nearly 100% self sufficient.
I know I'm oversimplifying things, but it's a good place to start.
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Pro-lifers are not just against liberalized abortion.
Speak for yourself. If "liberalized abortion" is direct abortion willed as a means to an end, millions in this country are vehemently opposed to it and will not rest until this scourge is effaced from our country and the intended meaning from the Declaration of Independence of "right to life" is restored.
Once people see what abortion looks like and know what it is, they oppose it because it is murder of the innocent. They know this because it is written on their heart by the Creator.
Shame on you, Mr. Blackwell, for your pandering.
The other term I see a lot referring to the pro-life movement is "anti-choice." As though simply being against choice with no context is a bad thing (and in our post-modern, relative morality culture – I guess it is).
But I say, if the choice is between killing a baby and not killing a baby, then HELL YES I'm anti-choice.
These people have taken what should always be a heartbreaking, ethical dilemma that is a sad part of living in this world and turned into a right of convienience. It's appalling.
( NPR ) All Things Considered, except of course; Conservativism, the GOP Point of view, gun rights, the pro life argument, Sarah Palin, Gobal Warmng deniers,, Liberal media bias, the benefits of tax cuts, strengthening the military, empowering our intelligence services, critisizing Islam, critisizing communist thugacracies, critisizing the UN, discussions of relocating the UN, opposing the regulation of food, the rights of Smokers, Critisizing our Black population, denouncing affirmative action, and pointing our that Soccer is stupid game that sucks and we don't care if the rest of the world likes it.
Other than this, All Things Considered, the first GOP candidate who says they'll pull their funding gets my vote.
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Personally, I would like to see an immediate cessation of ALL government media.
No PSA's, No commercials for whatever the regime is pimping this week, nothing.
Then, a moratorium on any government literature being printed in any language other than English.
Once the onslaught of taxpayer funded propaganda is stopped, then we can deal with the LSM without the direction of the man behind the curtain.
I personally enjoy a lot about NPR — particularly music, particularly the jazz shows that they broadcast such as "Jazz with Bob Parlocha" — a great show for jazz fans, but I digress.
It is also about the only radio network where you can get any semblance of world news; other radio news is predominantly local and US-only, as if there are no other countries on this earth.
Having said that, however, the level of bias on NPR has been appalling over the years, going back to Daniel Schorr's vapid diatribes on "All Things Distorted", and now what the Honorable Ken Blackwell has stated above about labels used for the "pro-life" point of view. Furthermore, it would be nice to see newsworthy stories being covered such as the New Black Panthers case right here in our own Philadelphia. Had it been a case of the G W Bush administration refusing to prosecute a "New KKK" intimidating black voters at polling places, you could bet your last dollar (whatever it's worth now) that NPR would be covering it ad nauseum.
The upshot is, NPR does have some wonderful music programs, particularly jazz and orchestral, and their local affiliates also help support local music and arts events. They should stick to this, as they do it well, and just drop their news reporting altogether, at least until they can demonstrate some objectivity.
God bless you, Mr Blackwell. I'm a former Ohioan and have long respected your courage to confront not only the leftist lies in this country, but those in your own party who have lost their guiding principles. Keep up the good work.
NPR wants protection under freedom of speech while at the same time is a tyrant towards PRO LIFERS. "F…" you NPR you unrighteous pigs.
National Public Radio, Public Broadcasting Service, and National Endowment for the Arts, all should be eliminated from the budget. Given the port side list these agencies have. Sure, PBS brought us Monte Python, Red – Green, Nova, This Old House, but their unending allegance to and pitching the now debunked hysteria about Global Warming is getting tiresom. As far as the National Endowment for the Arts, I just really don't see how P**S in a bottle or C**P on a Cross is art.
Borrow a short wave radio and see if you can pick up foreign broadcasts.
NPR and PBS get a lot of funding from tax exempt donations. They are highly partisan politically, that tax exemption should be ended.
As much as you obviously think it is clever to mimic others, I've not stated my position anywhere in these posts regarding abortion, and you have no idea what I might consider Rand Paul.
Secondly, you are wrong, there is clear qualitative difference in the two arguments. Dana Delaney calls herself "Pro Choice" yet wants to dictate I not have a choice where my tax money is spent on a moral issue. There is a self-evident irony in that appelation. Herb814 sees, I see it. Again, she would be free to fund abortion with her own money to her hearts content, but that doesn't satisfy her. Rand Paul calls himself "Pro-life" because he believes in what is a normative religious belief, that God creates life and it is sacred. I don't claim to understand how those people navigate the extreme ends of their logic, but there is no irony inherent in their being able to do so.
You seem a clever enough fellow to recognize that simply citing privacy fails to address the issue from the perspective of a "pro-life" person, that is: a developing fetus is a person with a right to life.
If simply citing privacy is not sufficient to protect a person's body, how can it ever be sufficient to protect a person's property, particularly when the life of another may be involved?
I made myself rather clear, Delaney not merely should, but must be satisfied with using her own money as she sees fit, just as Paul must be satisfied with making his own choice as to what medical procedures he chooses to have performed on himself.
If neither can be satisfied, then there is no impediment to inflicting ObamaCare and worse on everyone simply by appealing to the value of the "innocent" lives involved.
Its a good place to finish as well.
At most a provision for labor to make products to cover the full cost of incarceration can be added.
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NO more Govt. forcing you and me to spend money ,we don't have, to pay for things we don't want or need.
That's stealing and impoverishment by force by public servants who are supposed to serve not dictate.
it is the person- who, through their own free will, indulges in the elective abortion for reasons that range from health- to cosmetic- that is the point here. Not the government.
THAT is a red herring used by the so-called 'pro-choice' crowd. And we know our Kipling as well- he was defined by his esoteric beliefs. Catch 'The Man Who Would Be King' sometime.
We have put our life on the line for our belief system. Can you say the same? Or do you just sit in your Bronx apartment and throw darts? The only thing precious there is a rent controlled apartment, not nascent life.
Free will is a wonderful thing. With it come responsibilities- and there IS a moral structure to the universe. It is in Zen, Christianity and all of the other major belief constructs. Innocent life is just that- and if that has no value, then what, pray tell,
has?
No? So you don't want the government to outlaw abortion?
Well why didn't you say so!
As for putting your life on the line, pray tell us all, how many children have you given birth to as a result of rape? How many when your life was in danger as a result of the pregnancy? Or do you just sit in your room wherever and throw darts?
Free will does indeed come with responsibilities. As does freedom of belief, and freedom of action. If they have no value, then of what relevance is innocent life?
Which of course is what Kipling was saying, as well as telling stories warning of the esoteric dangers of trying to set yourself up as a divine king, with supreme powers of life and death.
never said that- this has always been your rant…
We have saved a life or two. That must count for something. The only darts thrown here- if you have ever paid attention to someone outside your own self absorbed existence- have been either explosive tipped, or the proverbial bon' mot.
Freedom of belief does not include killing fetuses. We agree the government should stay out of it- Roe v Wade was bad law- and as a lawyer you should know that. Women have a responsibility to bring that life to term, and then allow adoption.
Except, as said, in the most dire of circumstances…
No rant at all, just a simple explanation of the consequences.
As for your obnoxious insuinuation, I have paid a great deal of attention to people outside of my self. That is why I stand up for justice and equality here, and other places, supporting all freedoms of thought and action.
Freedom of belief may include aborting fetuses. If government stays out of it, then there is no way to support a ban.
Roe v Wade was excellent law, upholding the critical right to privacy, particularly in medical decisions. Women have a responsibility to themselves, not to some theoretical life that may eventually come about. Trying to create such a responsibility would be horrific law.
As for invoking "the most dire of circumstances", what you do there is establish a precedent for choosing one "innocent" life over another. If you are incapable of seeing the danger implicit in that then there is nothing to be done. I have warned you what it can lead to, that the precursors are already in place, but you refuse to see that forest for your own trees. Hopefully we will not have to pay the price for that.
Roe v Wade was bad law and you know it…
Even the Left is aware that a 'shadow of a penumbra' is just flat out ridiculous, the kind of judicial activism that makes people crazy. So either your a bad lawyer- or an ideologue.
Your moniker speaks of your self absorption. And, basically every child should be brought to term. Period. If there is some situation where both the life of the mother- and child- were threatened than perhaps an exception could be made.
Abortionists like Tiller are bad men.
Ultimately nothing will be gained by this. You have your beliefs. We have ours. Never shall the twain meet…
Roe v Wade was good law and I know it.
As for you calling me an ideologue . . . I do not have to be any kind of lawyer, which I'm not, to know that Pot v Kettle settled the case law on that one.
As for your gratuitous ad hominem on my chosen screen name, if you want to admit you are incapable of defending your position then just do so and be done with it.
As for your judgement of others, cold-blooded murderers like Roeder are vile men, particularly when they try and clothe themselves in holiness as a shield for their crimes.
no, it was bad law. So you are an ideologue. We have defended our position- a just and moral one- with reason, wit and aplomb. Your blindness will not allow you to see it, and for a intelligent person that indeed is unfortunate. Roe needs to be overturned, your Supremes only believe in 'settled law' when it fits their belief system, as Sotomayor showed on Thompson v Chicago. They- and lawyers in general- are not to be trusted.
Our first run in with you was over that.
Your screen name says more about you than anyone really cares to know.
And as for Tiller, there is a special ring in Hell for his ilk. We do not sanction what Roeder did, but those who live by the sword…
Having had to make decisions on who shall live- and those who may not- embued us with a sense of responsibility to those who cannot defend themselves. You are like many other humanists; when the last shovel full of dirt is upon your grave you cease to exist.
And that is profoundly sad…
You seem confused.
Just because you say it is bad law does not make it so, nor does it make you any less an ideologue than me. I have defended my position, a just and moral one, with reason, with, and skill as well, and your blindness will not let you see it.
My screen name says a support an ideology that advocates a homeland for the Jewish people in the state of Israel, and that I live in the Bronx, nothing more and nothing less. If you find the Bronx evil, that is a defect in your reasoning, almost certainly born of profound ignorance. If you find Zionism evil that is a defect in your reasoning, as well as in your soul.
As for your not sanctioning Roeder, your hypocrisy is noted. Your denunciation is as legitimate as the denunciation Islamists give of terrorism, and shows your utter lack of morality.
As for your thinking that I will cease to exist when buried, that is yet another false assumption on your part. I am utterly confident in the immortality of my soul, and my relationship with the Creator.
your replies show you to be a blind ideologue who does not listen; just spews the same feed over and over. Repetitive, and self serving. No one cares where you live, that's a New Yawk arrogance, and the zionism is a pet cause- not a raisson d'etre. You have thrown out a contradictory line of reasoning that you feel good with; it is, after all, all about you.
You either defend life or you don't.
Vitually all legal scholars have judged Roe to be bad law. You just ignore that with which you disagree. When the justice found- listen carefully now because we said this before- 'a shadow of a penumbra' in the Constitution that allowed him to determine that somehow the Founders would allow unfettered abortions even the Left cringes. Once again- listen closely- Sotomayor has done the same thing with the Chicago gun case; so much for 'settled law'.
You weighed in on this with all the humanistic talking points- pregnancy as 'slavery' and such. Please. No one- not one woman we know- would agree with that. Just hard core leftist feminists. As a libertarian argument we agree no one should be forced to have an abortion, or be forced to bring a child to term. It is an individual responsibility.
So, there in absolutely no confusion here. Perhaps you should look into the mirror and resolve your own moral contradictions.
Then perhaps you would not be so cavalier about ending innocent lives- 50 million since a very bad law was passed…
Repetitive? As opposed to your new arguments? I'm sure.
Virtually all legal scholars? You mean who agree with you. Virtually all who do not have no problem with the law. Be careful, bearing false witness like that is a sin.
You either defend freedom or you do not.
You have made it clear that you do not. You have made it clear you are comfortable with that.
I believe in freedom even though you consider it specious. I am comfortable with that.
you are such a walking, self righteous contradiction you just cannot even see straight. You are ok with mass elective abortions. Do not shift gears and offer religious pretense when your secular humanism is on display for all to see. And yes, even liberal scholars are uncomfortable with Roe; if you did as much homework as bloviating you might come to see that.
Either way, the thread here has run it's course. We have even less respect for your inarticulate, and disingenuous position than you do for ours…
Once again I refer you to Pot v Kettle in regards to self righteousness and the inability to see straight.
Likewise in regards to shifting gears.
As for your bigotry in being incapable of accepting that another person can have faith and disagree with your totalitarian interpretations, you have long since made it clear that you believe in establishing an Islamist terrorist theocracy.
Finally, inarticulate and disingeunous applies only to the feeble blather you have iterated, reiterated, parsed, misrepresented, and outright lied about time and time again. It is impossible for me to have less respect for you as I have absolutely no respect for anyone as intellectually bankrupt and dishonest as you. You are the worst kind of hypocrite and liar intent on enslaving others, and you belong at HuffPo or some similar site where you tyrannical posturings would have a much better ideological home.
Islamic theocracy? Put down the reefer, and take a cold shower. You are not a conservative of any kind; why you would advocate one to go to Huffpo- which is FAR more in line with your pregnancy/slavery hyperbole is simply incredible.
You, sir are an idiot.
We will take our efforts elsewhere…
And you are a religious terrorists.
Indeed, do please take your efforts to promote religious terrorism elsewhere.
you know, pot is an expensive habit, and you need to hang on to your diminishing supply of brain cells. We are going nowhere, chum- and you will find your smple minded assertions in low favor at this site. Last we checked your posts on this matter had little appeal- and unlike you- we didn't 'thumb you down'. That is childish, and it's not something we do. But going in circles with someone as cluelessly contradictoryas you has no upside. One suspects, however, a need to get the last word. We're sure you won't let anyone down on that…
So who need to go to Huffpo?
The only one drug addled is you obviously, as you already promised to go elsewhere. Or was that just a lie?
You really should try for consistency in something you say.
no, we aren't going anywhere. It is you who will be laughed off the site- if you keep up the laughable 'pregnancy is slavery' and Roe is 'settled law' arguments, specious logic at best and insultingly dishonest at worst. We shall see who prevails in the battle of wits here- a pronounced conservative, or a schizophrenic quasi-libertarian. Judging by the comments we saw, yours is not a good bet…
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