Some people will tell you that there is no such thing as a stupid question. They’re wrong. People ask stupid questions all the time. It becomes a problem when people do it on purpose.
The “we’re just asking questions” rationale seems to be the explanation du jour for the tiresome and self-destructive continuing “Birther” fixation of some journalists who purport to be on the Right. As depicted in a fairly straightforward Washington Independent article, WorldNetDaily Editor-in-Chief Joseph Farah used his Friday night dinner speech at the Tea Party convention to “raise questions” about the President Obama’s citizenship, much to the disgust of other attendees, including Andrew Breitbart. “It’s self-indulgent, it’s narcissistic, it’s a losing issue,” Breitbart told one of Farah’s minions, his frustration evident.

Let me add a few more adjectives. It’s “stupid,” “irrational” and “destructive” of everything we are fighting for. The movement might as well take out its figurative .45, aim directly at its foot, and pull the trigger. And, according to a new book by John Avlon, “Birtherism” began on the Left.
These are the same tactics that have been deployed against us for as long as we can remember –charges leveled not to be proven but to merely insinuate. There’s no real question being raised here – the question, such as it was, was answered in November 2008 when the voters elected President Obama fair and square. He won. We lost – at least until the Congressional elections this fall. More specifically, the whole “birth certificate” argument – which was raised and discredited because of its complete lack of merit – lost, clearly and decisively.
The birthers remind me of the freaks who occasionally show up in court with long diatribes about how the Federal Reserve, in conjunction with the Trilateral Commission, is acting unconstitutionally under their idiosyncratic view of the 16th Amendment, which all boils down to meaning that they don’t have to pay taxes. Oh, and the gold fringe on the flag in the courtroom makes it a flag of admiralty, meaning the court has no jurisdiction over them. The judge usually nods, and the deputies haul the “sovereign citizen” off to jail. And I laugh.
There’s no point in reviewing the utter paucity of anything that the Anglo-American legal tradition might regard as law or evidence supporting the proposition that somehow Barack Obama does not meet the citizenship requirements set forth in the Constitution. The true believers are utterly immune to evidence, repeating like a mantra:
1. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” as constitutionally required because his father was a British subject.
2. Obama is at best a naturalized citizen and is therefore not constitutionally qualified to be the President.

That’s what makes the idea that this whole birther nonsense is about “raising questions” – the notion of asking questions implies that the questioner will accept the answer provided by the facts. You can point out facts like the birth announcement from 1961, but that won’t help. Nor does his birth certificate – oh, I’m sorry, “Certificate of Live Birth,” which is supposed to somehow be different.
The point is that the birther journalists aren’t looking for an answer – they have their answer. Which makes what they are doing not journalism at all. And we know something about mindless agenda journalism because it has been trying to undercut, defame and marginalize our movement for decades.
The last thing we need as the truth and power of our core beliefs in small government, a strong defense and the Bill of Rights are becoming evident again even in places like Massachusetts is to distract and discredit ourselves by tolerating weird, nutty conspiracy theories. It’s also a dream come true for our opponents – a chance to dodge the real questions about out-of-control spending, crippling taxes and hug-a-jihadi terrorist policies and to instead focus on the irrational fixations of a few nuts.
Every time some right-wing journalist “raises a question” about the President’s birth certificate, Rahm Emanuel smiles.
We need to stand up and say, “No.” The whole issue is substantively false – the President has always been a citizen and eligible to serve. That’s just a fact – and facts are supposed to be our currency. If there was ever a question, the voters answered it in 2008. I’m still not sure what the birthers want – do they imagine that after the President breaks down on the witness stand and tearfully cops to a Kenyan or Indonesian pedigree like some Perry Mason villain that the Secret Service is going to load him onto a C-17 for exile in Havana? Dudes, unless his term expires, he resigns or is impeached (and no, there’s no grounds for that either), to pull my President out of office means first going through me, the entire US military and about 299 million of 300 million citizens. It just ain’t happening.
We need to say “No” because this whole discussion hurts our country. The incredible damage to the legitimacy of our system by the irresponsibility of the MSM and enablers like Al Gore in the aftermath of the 2000 election is a disgrace they will never live down. For our system to work, for democracy to function, the critical element is that we submit to decisions that go against us. I didn’t vote for the President; you probably didn’t either. But the answer is not to mumble about his alleged illegitimacy (as so many liberals and leftists did in the wake of their narrow defeat in Florida) but to mobilize and do what we do in America when we want to change our leadership – win elections.
In the ‘50s and ‘60s, the conservative movement purged itself of the Birchers. It’s time to do the same with their cousins, the Birthers. Sure, there’s a temptation to paper over the differences, to just let the birthers have their say and then count on them to vote our way in November. The Democrats do that with the 9/11 Truthers – they cynically distance themselves from these creeps, but not too far. After all, the Truthers vote and it’s really not too much of a stretch to think the “Bushitler” regime might have at some level been happy to have the attacks happen in order to justify its War for Oil, right?

But the Van Jones debacle shows what happens when you ride the tiger of conspiracy idiocy. And beyond the practical, utilitarian rationale for rejecting it, there is the more important moral one. It’s dishonest and it’s wrong. We have suffered from agenda journalism and its “question-raising” insinuations in the past. It does not become morally right when our side does it and it certainly does not show the American people that we are somehow ready to govern again.
The minority of conservative journalists who are still flirting with this moronic fixation owe it to their readers to accept the answer. As the majority of Americans once again begin to think about trusting us to lead, the last thing we should be doing is demonstrating that we are unworthy of their trust by consorting with nimrods.





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barbera beles
The election of Obama was a blessing in disguise. (citizen or not). If McCain had pulled it off we would be heading in the same direction just slower.
Agreed, enough with the birther argument. Let this Administration implode on there own The country will be better off for it.
The author is correct.
We are, to use a phrase, "…straining at gnats while swallowing camels…" with this issue.
President Obama his appointees and the solidly left congress have turned the wheel of State a hard left.
Pres. Obama and congress are doing real damage right now to the country and setting up entitlements that will hamstring the economy for decades to come.
There are plenty of real and present things to oppose without taking on this issue.
The author is correct. Clining to the birther rumors is the equivalent of throwing more fuel on the liberal fires of the main stream talking heads.
Sorry.. Their own. Damn public screwls…;)
the question is can a birth certificate be melted by fire, because we know steel can't be !! Right? Right? Guys?
uh, Hello?
the way I see it The Bilderbergers and the Coconut Grovers are trying to frame the Trilateral comission for it, when we all know that it was the Knights Templar who are really the Freemasons (Scottish Rite not F&M) to raise the price of oil so we can get it for free from the … oh the hell with it. I'm tired of letting the conspiracy nuts have a forum. It just gives legitimacy to these nuts who should have shrivelled up and blown away by now.
I could not agree with you more! I heard someone the other day saying maybe Obama has not let the original document be disclosed because it is something he can use, the birther fringe kooks, using this to his advantage. It is a negative that definitely discounts our side.
There is so much more to take them down with, they have left us a rich trail to follow and tear apart. Their hand has been played, the cat is out of the bag, the regressives are no longer hiding their game plan….
Kurt, you're a Bozo.
Show the document. It's that simple.
I'll spring for the twenty dollars.
When you spend a fortune to keep a document hidden, you certainly give the appearance of hiding something.
Are you idiots really suggesting we take Obama at his word on anything?
If regular citizens have to produce a birth certificate to get a drivers license, a citizen should have to produce one to get his hands on the nuclear trigger. The president is not a king, not a god, and not a movie star. He's a citizen, just like the rest of us.
If the law does not apply to him, then it no longer applies to anyone.
Amen!
What like 'healthcare', printing monopoly money and further indebting everyone, keeping troops in over 200 countries worldwide? Where's the hope and change? Same old thing different puppet. What sand dune is your head buried in?
I agree with the author. Lets's drop this. I want to believe that the sob that single handedly destroys our economy, our nation, our freedom and our constitution, is, at least, abusing his office legally.
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True. Though it is fun to joke about, at times. I'm sure more doubt still exists in the collective mind of the left. heh…heh…heh…
Agreed. I think there are Birthers who think he's not a citizen and then there are people who want to know what he's hiding. A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate…so what's on his (American) birth certificate he doesn't want people to see?
It’s also a dream come true for our opponents
Almost, but not quite. In my opinion the entire birthers movement is a combination of the left attack machine, and the natural tendency of any ideology or movement to attract conspiracy nuts.
The left keeps the story alive because any time they want to duck hard news that might not hold Obama in the presence of the Holy Ghost, they simply trot it out, chuckle about how dumb "they" are, proving how smart they themselves are.
Obama's team loves it too. They know the opposition is going to glomb on to something, so they hand picked this one, because its the easiest to spin to their benefit.
The left is using it to play the right like a harp from hell. It's a shame to see so may on the right fall for this amateurish trick. You should have seen how it wrecked littlegreenfootballs.com.
Mission accomplished.
Obama's skill at and penchant for keep as many people as possible in a constant state of angst is probably the best reason for not addressing the birth certificate although I gotta wonder why he has spent as much money as he has to keep it under wraps. Maybe he sees it as a small price to pay for the political advantage he gets from doing so. I suspect Coulter got it right when she said that, if there was an issue, megalomaniacal Hillary surely would have brought it to light, which I'm kinda inclined to believe. There's no end to the connivances the Left is willing to engage in so to try to pin this one down is likely to just make fools out of any one who thinks they have the right answer.
but, even if he might have a valid birth certificate, he went to school in indonesia as a child on a british passport, and used that same passport to go to pakistan in the 80's. that he openly admits. so how did he get a u.s. passport back? he also went to college on a scholarship only available to foreign students. did he use his british passport for that as well? i would like to know how he got his passport back?
Let me put out an example using hyperbole (exaggeration for the sake of emphasis).
Let's say the president in office was (insert dream candidate name here) .
Let's also say some members of the left in this country thought he/she was really the bastard offspring of Bigfoot and a Space Alien and drew attention to this issue spent a lot of time, money and kept everybody from paying attention to the legislation passed by the president/congress.
If I were that president I would encourage this inanity because it keeps people from paying attention to the real things I am doing. F**k, I'd even send them some money to continue the search for my Bigfoot-E.T. parentage.
Yes, but let it remain unanswered. It hurts us now and we have to play the game. Farah needs to step back and shut up.
I agree the "birther" issue does not belong in the Tea Party or the Republican party; however, your claims that there is no basis to people's concerns is as much a strawman as HuffPo's whining over Sarah's crib notes. A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. It just isn't so let's get past that. Virtually all of Obama's past is hidden-his college writings including his dissertation, there are no traces of his writing in the Harvard newspaper he was editor for, there is no record of how a very middle-class child paid for school. This man's history is a mystery and people want to know what is there.
I agree that the citizen thing is a tool of the Left to cause problems and should not be taken up as party line but in your article, you ignore all other aspects of the "birther" issue that don't make people look like tinfoil hatters and I don't believe it's that clear cut.
Kurt,
Answer these questions and all of us pesky people will just go away.
1. Why won’t Obama produce his long form birth certificate showing the location of birth and attending physician’s name? Why?
2. Why doesn’t he just show the birth certificate and shut all of us up? Why?
3. What is on that birth certificate that he doesn’t want us to see?
4. Why has he spent all of that money defending the lawsuits when he could have just saved the money and produced the birth certificate? Why?
Answer these questions Kurt…instead of ridiculing those who have the temerity to ask them.
John
Here's the thing, I don't doubt he was born here. The problem is the birth certificate they show is from recent times, It was printed on a dot matrix printer. It does not resemble in any way a birth certificate from the early 1960s. My sister was born at the same hospital in Hawaii as BO, only a couple years afterward. Hers' was typed, which most documents were back then. It does not look in any way like the one they show as BO's BC.
All he has to do is show the real document. What is the problem? And while he's at it, there's a lot of other things he should be able to show like his grades in schools, who financed his Harvard Education, etc. IF the left was so demanding of Bush's past records, they should have no problem with that
I agree that it is pointless to argue this subject now. Having said that, i have to say that it makes for a good conspiracy. It does seem that all the questions could be easily put aside with a little cooperation from the citizen in question, but that would just allow for more focus on his other problems, like running the country into bankruptcy. Personally, I'll wait for the History Channel special in a few years before making up my mind.
Right on! Maybe now is not the time to go after it, but someday this question must be resolved. I can just imagine the turmoil that would result if it is revealed in a decade or so that Obama was never a legitimate president.
What an ass. Can you not understand the reason for the NBC requirement in the constitution? It so the president doesnt have divided loyalties. Being a Brithish subject disqualifies him. Period. That is the Law of the Land.
So using your logic if 60 million voted for the Govenator of California – Arnold S. he would be President ( which of course he cannot )? Its not a popularity contest, its the Presidency, and the constitution outlines who can hold the office and who cannot.
Obama is the biggest hoax in the history of the republic. This makes Watergate seam trivial at best.
I don't consider myself a "birther" at all. But we citizens can barely travel any more without exposing all of our dirty laundry to some nameless unelected bureaucrat. If the slightest thing is out of line mit diene papieren, you're likely to get a fisting lesson in the back room.
This affirmative racism clown from Chicago has the ability to blow up the entire freaking world and we aren't allowed to know anything about him. He doesn't have to prove anything. Try going through the airport for a flight you paid for and refusing to document yourself.
People who think that is right are simply not my friends.
When we elevate a self selected elite class to a status where they can not be touched, we are sowing the seeds of our own destruction, and that crop has already taken root.
Yeah, to hell with those documents like the Constitution and the ideals they put forward. To hell with right and wrong.
When I left my abusing ex-husband, he didn't want anyone to know the reason why, so he claimed I must have been crazy or I must have had a brain tumor. Some people actually believed him and it left me a little defensive. I feel the same way today with Barry's lack of a birth certificate. I just would like to know the truth from a man who doesn't normally tell the truth.
OK…. let's say he is a citizen… Then where are all of his school records? I want to see them.
The whole birther thing is getting embarassing, even if they are right so what?
Do you think you will ever get him dumped out of the presidency that way? If Ronald Regan had not been born in the US would that have made him a bad president.
Obama's insanity in regards to policy, economics, security etc. is more than enough to sink his ship, the rest of this is like launching bottle rockets at a tank, a complete waste of time.
Just one question, Kurt: Who documented that Barack Obama was/is Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS? Is FactCheck.org a "contolling legal authority" as Al Gore once said? " 'Birtherism' is not Jounalism"? "Birtherism" exists because of a lack of journalism.
Left KOOL-AID. Right KOOL-AID. Kool-aid just the same. Aside from your analysis lacking reason and facts, it is extremely inaccurate. It was my understanding that Andrew Breitbart took a rather aggressive position involving the FREE SPEECH ATTACK perpetuated upon Dr. Michael Savage. Any suppression of truth or fact is vulgur. I particulary find your "unworthy of their trust" contradictory. FYI. You may want to consult the constitution or do some research about "naturalized citizen", there is not such legal basis for POTUS eligibility relating to naturalized citizen.
A very well articulate argument against any continuation of this "absurd" notion of illegitimacy. One problem he has never proven his right to hold office. He has not been vetted and if you can just shame enough who question this I guess you think people will not ask for a reasoned response from the "president"… Nice try.
Very true, that's why I remind birthers that even if they were right in some weird alternate reality, that would mean we'd have President Biden. That's way scarier.
I don't know if the so called birthers are nutts? But I do know one thing, if they are right. There is darn sure a reason for him(osama von chicago) to be removed. And he would be removed. Everyone, no matter what side of this issue know's it would be game over if Osamabama where not a Natural Born Citizen.
None of these so called journalist of whatever stipe,ever ask the one question they should be asking, if it is no big deal, and everyone who ask's the question is nutts, why does he (osamabama) just not show the birth certificate? The only reason,( and no it is not some brillent plan to make conservative journalist seem crazy, or out of touch with the main stream) is that he can't. He can't show it, because he does not have one.
I heard someone the other day saying maybe Obama has not let the original document be disclosed because it is something he can use, the birther fringe kooks, using this to his advantage. It is a negative that definitely discounts our side.
Someone posted something on another thread that pretty much sums up my feelings on the "birther" issue (my paraphrase).
Obama won't release his long form so I assume there is something he doesn't want us to see and it must be pretty bad.
He won't release his college transcripts so, again, there is something in them he doesn't want us to see.
He won't release nearly every document that most Presidents have openly offered to we, the people, so I assume he's hiding something.
Until I see otherwise, these are my assumptions which I think are realistic. His life is not transparent and neither is he.
End of story.
"We need to say “No” because this whole discussion hurts our country". Who died and made you God? To quote Dr. Michael Savage: "ANY SUPPRESSION OF FREE SPEECH OR ONES PURSUIT FOR THE TRUTH IS VULGUR".
This is my last visit to your business. Good luck to you in "our movement", whatever that is.
There are million of us out here that believe THE TRUTH AND THE LAW is above "our movement" or "our country", and definately above your opionions that seek to intimidate others. So sad to see Breitbart sink to the tactics of the left. So sad.
Just one Question??
Look at father's race on the COLB?
Is that what they used in 1961 or is it a fraud?
Nice job Kurt. When you read through court transcripts as Orly Taitz has tried to press the issue, the judge's ultimate response is: if you're correct, what's the remedy? The Electoral College has spoken. Absent impeachment or resignation – which ain't gonna happen, even if the birthers were 100% correct – it's pointless. Barack Obama is our President for better or worse, end of story. You laid it out perfectly. Bravo!
Kurt (that's the only name I'll call you although you sure did lots of name-calling in this piece):
FYI: The conservative movement has never purged itself of the Birchers. If anything the Birchers purged themselves of the faux-conservatives. It is they who have remained staunchly constitutionally conservative, through the decades, gaining momentum and members. In fact, several outstanding members of state legislatures are active in the John Birch Society. Go figure.
Perez Hilton called, he'd like to say you're a little too much of a drama queen for his tastes.
"the conservative movement purged itself of the Birchers. It’s time to do the same with their cousins, the Birthers"
Wow! Someone feels important! What happens if the "Birthers" kick YOU out of the conservative movement? Let's all start purging each other from the conservative movement and then insist that the little slice we've carved out for ourselves is the REAL conservative movement!
You simply aren't going to shame people into believing that a dual citizen at birth qualifies as a Natural Born Citizen. You have to play dumb to believe those two things are compatible, and no one wants to be in a movement of dumb-players.
Why won't Obama produce his long form birth certificate showing the location of birth and attending physician's name? Why?
Because your fellow conspiracists produced several fraudulent birth certificates already. Why should he believe you won''t do the same with his original records?
Why doesn't he just show the birth certificate and shut all of us up? Why?
Because the last time he tried to do that, he was beaten over the head with it.
What is on that birth certificate that he doesn't want us to see?
As the COLB is the electronic version of the original, I don't see why you expect to find anything new..
Why has he spent all of that money defending the lawsuits when he could have just saved the money and produced the birth certificate? Why?
Because that's not true. Yet another completely unsubstantiated assertion, courtesy of WND. But it's been repeated so often, it's regarded as gospel by those who are predisposed to think the worst.
Correct, my friend.
And if it was done properly, where are the records of it. They should be generally available,
or at worst, an FOIA request.
A secret government is a tyrannical government.
I showed up with a short-form (COLB) for my daughter's soccer registration and was turned away needing an original 'long form' (i.e. the thing BO has spent hundreds of thousands keeping under wraps). The Hawaiian newspaper announcements were NOT made based on parental request (the point you hold so dear as "fact"), they were simply town hall blotters (they simply posted the COLB's that were filed at town hall). A person born in Kenya, to a mother with a Hawaiian address, would have the exact same documentation at the time. You sound like a climatologist with your, "the science is settled" line. The bottom line is this: your casting dispersions on WND is exactly what the left does to everyone who disagrees with them. Instead of "stupid", why don't you just call Farah, "F'n retarded" and join THEIR club? I say this tent, and this country, is big enough for birthers, truthers, librals, and conservatives. I just hope the mindless masses, and the supreme court, don't use a newspaper announcement from 50 years ago to determine "fact" when a notarized document exists in a vault.
If you do nothing and don't fight when you know something is wrong you lose your ground the next time when they put someone up that really needs to show proof of birth or anything else. Allowing him to brush this off allows BO to stand above the Law.
I don't have a problem with questioning why there is such secrecy with Obama's past, the problem is that the Birthers have destroyed the ability to ask. By merely posing the question, you are lumped in with the lunatics who insist it's all some convoluted conspiracy. I think there are unsavory things in his past that he doesn't want brought to light, so he is secretive about everything. That way all questions can be attached to the, "I don't believe he's really an American" mindset. It's the best way to avoid having to address things that might make him look less like the Moderate Pragmatist he pretends to be.
Suggest you check the category "Father's Race" on the COLB?
Is that a race, or what was used in 1961, or a questionably fraudulent document?
Yes, McCain was born in the Canal Zone. And a handful of people yakked about that to no avail. And a lot more have questioned Obama's birth. I think they will also gain nothing.
IMO the real difficulty is in the Constitution itself. It does contain that "natural born citizen" clause but it says nothing about what to do if the clause is violated. IMO the words seem to be an instruction to the Electors. But once they chose Obama the Electors had no further authority to do anything.
Could the Congress impeach? Sure, they can impeach for anything.
Would this be a high crime or misdemeanor? Technically I believe not. Technicalities seldom trump politics so we can't be sure.
So even with smoking gun proof that O is not a NBC what would or could be done?
Check out the article by Jack Cashill at Americanthinker.com from February 7, particularly the comments afterwards. What's really important, it seems to me, is not the details of his birth certificate but rather the suppression of all discussion of Obama's background by the Liberal journaliasts in bed with him. None of them delved into his college days, his law school days, the details of how he financed college or lawschool, his associations and his jobs. Anyone daring to get into any of this stuff during the campaign was immediately accused of being "racist." That is the much more important issue to expose as we go forward to 2010 and 2012.
You're protecting the fox already in the henhouse, for fear of the skunk that might come after him?
It doesn't matter who was next in line. The Constitution is what matters.
I want the truth from my government. I'll trust if they let me verify.
Besides, Biden would be a riot. He's such a helpless fool he could do little harm.
Might still all die, but we'd die laughing at him.
Half of America disagrees with this author. We want the “president” to cough up the documents proving he can hold the office of POTUS, of get out of the White House. Not one document has been even presented, mush less validated in a court of law.
You sound like a Property Court Judge from Massachusetts.
A man breaks into my empty apartment and won't leave. The police won't come, claiming it's a landlord -tenant dispute.
The judge says, you should have written a better contract when you rented to him. He can stay forever now, for free.
If someone breaks the law to get into office, that's all the more reason to remove him from his office.
The injustice of the whole thing is why people won't let it go.
Breitbart is another Murdoch puppet like Beck and they are all reading the same script and it is coming from Saudi Arabia.
A certificate of live birth is the long name for the more informal "Birth Certificate"!!! I was born in the state of Oregon, and the document that proves it has "Certificate of Live Birth" scrolled across the top! There is one simple way to answer this question. Prove that Obama never traveled outside the U.S. as a private citizen of our country.
You can't because the same people also claim that he converted to Islam while in Indonesia… A place he traveled to with a US passport. The man may be a raving left-wing lunatic, who has an agenda to turn our country into a socialist paradise, and needs to be stopped, but, he is an AMERICAN raving left-wing lunatic, who has an agenda to turn our country into a socialist paradise, and needs to be stopped.
In JAN, the TTL# identifying themselves as Dems fell another tenth-of-a-percentage point. The # of Dems is now at the lowest level recorded in more than 7 yrs of monthly tracking by Rasmussen Reports. However, the # of Repubs dropped by nearly two percentage points. Currently, 35.4% of adults view themselves as Dems. That’s down from 35.5% a month ago and 36.0 two months ago. Prior to last month, the lowest total ever recorded for Dems was 35.9%. The # of Repubs is now down to 32.3%. The # of Repubs in the country has stayed between 32.3% and 34.05% in every month for the past 18 months. The # of adults not affiliated with either major party is now up to 32.3%. That’s the highest number of unaffiliateds since 2007. Kurt, before you decided to put out this very offensive diatribe, did you think to consider that the "unaffiliateds" people are the same people as the "birthers". Get it, they are increasing at an asstounding rate. And you just piled a massive insult upon this rapidly growing market share. If its any consolation, at least you look good with the elitest know-it-alls at Fox and you don't have to worry about an IRS audit.
Just show the real bc.
People in opposition to the statists should fear nothing they have to say. They are the problem
Right on!
Actually, it would undermine Biden's very election to the office of VP. The only way to resolve it would be to hold a special election (although there is zero chance of Obama being removed from office at this point). It will be interesting, however, to see if this issue comes up in 2012.
just show the damn certificate! If Repubs get the majority, they need to RAM through legislation for ALL candidates to prove citizenship beyond the short form. let obama veto that…then you'll know
Hear, hear! This whole cover-up is the problem. We're left with a mountain of unanswered questions that were posed long before the election. Trust is the issue at hand and these lingering questions only fuel further distrust of the system. I'm in agreement that no answers will be forthcoming so we shouldn't be side-tracked in pursuit of them. The day will come, though…
This elitist mentality is exactly why a lot of Americans dislike the leftist Democrats. When the name calling condescension "you are a stupid birther, and I am the enlightened journalist" comes from the right it is a little harder to swallow. The problem is there are a lot of middle Americans who are concerned about the Constitution and the abuses it faces. These are the people who are not preoccupied with winning and losing, they are worried about what is right and wrong. And the fact is that some other people want to pick and choose what parts of the Constitution we abide by based on it's "worthiness as a winning issue". These people are the "Politicos" who are keeping score and a check mark here ("W") or there ("L") makes a big difference. Making fun or mocking the sincere concern people have about the "Natural Born Citizen" clause in the Constitution is not going to make it go away. It will only alienate more and more people. There are endless resources on the internet making actual LEGAL arguments about the "Natural Born" issue and why it is important, however this article states NOT ONCE legally why it is not. "Obama was elected and that is all there is to it" is not a legal argument!
I think Mr. Schlichter is wrong on some points. Yes, this could be seen as kooky by most people, but as we all know most people don't critically analyze anything they hear, read, or see. The COLB only verifies there is a long-form document. We want to see the long-form document. Obama sealed all of his personal, professional, and schoalstic records. Why? Why is it so difficult to produce the document? Why is it so out of the question to do so? Can someone please tell me who verified this information when he entered the race for President or assumed office?
Let's say, for example, that a person born in another country to non-US citizens was transported to this country (FYI: Its a fact that Hawaii provides Hawaiian COLBs to children born in other countries who are soon transported to Hawaii) and given a COLB. He then does well, scholastically, and graduates with a law degree. He runs for state office, then Congress, then President. If no one checks his documentation how do they know he's Constitutionally eligible to assume the Presidency? Please answer that for me. BTW: Liberals have over the years changed what "natural born citizen" means, so under today's laws Arnold Schwarzeneggar could become President. They successfully made a provision of the Constitution meaningless. Is this good for America? I say it is not.
I was last told the issue was "settled"…and then somebody blew the whistle and now some guy who sent out emails is contemplating suicide.
I'm not so arrogant to suggest that I "know" with absolute certainty what the circumstances are related to someone's birth nearly a half century ago.
I have also seen enough documentation be buried, forged, and distorted…to not rule out foul play of some sort, although I don't know how to prove or disprove such things.
But, I do know this…when the media refuses to vet a candidate, when a candidate has a penchant for blocking inquiry into past associations and activities…it raises a red flag.
Where people take that red flag and run with it…may be …from time to time…down some blind alleys. Yet, you never know what 'other" information might be unveiled, by actually doing the vetting…that was deliberately abandoned the past couple years.
So, while I generally dislike bizarre conspiracy theories…it was the conspiracy of silence and the intentional obscuring of natural fact checking…that leads me to say that …if you act in a suspicious manner, don't get offended when people begin to suspect something.
A natural born citizen is not simply just a citizen! Even if BO is a citizen (which he has never proven), he is not a natural born citizen, as required by the Constitution.
The author is a purveyor of propaganda, nothing more. Anytime someone equates Birther with Bircher, you know they are a hack. The Birch Society can't be counted among "Birthers," for one. Second, the Birch Society is practically the only conservative organization that has not abandoned the Constitution and has maintained the idea that the government should be restricted to only limited enumerated powers. Not so the neocons, who are more than happy to expand the power of government whenever it suits their agenda.
I noticed you failed to provide any facts to support your assertions the so-called birthers are part of a "movement" or consider themselves "conservatives"? I have never seen any polls on this subject, in fact, is it not so that the pollsters have avoided the subject of Obama's eligibility and lack of proof of NBC? Before taking on this issue, did you consider that these people you refer to might be unaffiliated from your "movement" or any other organized group for that matter? Your entire approach to the subject matter is infantile and falls short of the journalism your reference. FYI, please take note for any future "journalistic license" you pursue relating to "birthers", study of the media indicates this is a word created to be a tactic to intimidate and prevent the free-flow of speech and information about Obama, your use of the word and your attack methodologies indicate you are either ignorant of traditionally leftist tactics, or you condone and thereby now participate in such tactics.
of course he has a passport. He travels all over the world.
He's right folks, the birther thing is a distraction. It is the noose we provide the left so they can hang us with it. There is enough wrong with this president and his whacked -out agenda wihout the question re: his place of birth.
This should be a no-brainer, produce the birth certificate so that document experts can examine it and end of story. Unfortunately it is not the end. The Obama Administration claims to have put his birth certificate on the Internet for examination by all. What they posted was a document that had obviously been photo-shopped, and not a very good job at that. ALL AMERICANS SHOULD BE INTERESTED, is this man, who is enacting huge changes to our society, actually eligible to be president.
Obama supporters and apologists have taken great comfort that Bill O'Reilly (Fox News) and others have stated that on the date of Obama's birth, two different Hawaiian newspapers published a notice of the event, and, since nobody could have foreseen that Obama would someday run for POTUS, those notices are proof of his Hawaiian birth."
But are they proof? Assuming the notices are valid, isn't it quite possible that Obama's mom, or grand-mom simply wanted him to have the privileges of a US Citizen and so notified the newspapers days or even weeks after the event at another location and time?
Obama is in charge of the most powerful military force in the world. OBAMA HAS THE POWER TO START A NUCLEAR WAR with the push of a button, WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYONE. It would seem prudent to check him out.
Video – Is Obama Eligible?
http://usataxpayer.org/?0070027258
Is Obama Eligible?
http://usataxpayer.org/?0053487342
Thanks for telling me I'm stupid. But I think I'll keep demanding all of Obama's records, including his birth certificate. You know, I remember some "conservatives" saying that trying to dig up the truth on ACORN was a stupid waste of time. Breitbart seems to have done nicely asking 'stupid' questions.
He went to college on a scholarship only available to foreign students?
Where is evidence of that?
I'm sure your fluffy little heiney is precisely to his taste, Dez.
All of the energy being expended on the "Birth Certificate" issue is just a diversion. The man is one of the most accomplished liars this country has ever known. He has virtually unlimited assets vis-a-vis the people who put him in office and there certainly has been enough time to create the finest forgery money can buy and, who knows, at some point it might be displayed. There has been so much weight placed on "THE" birth certificate, at that point, the game will be over with the pubic airing of the "real thing".
The problem is not with the certificate. The problem is that the man is, by virtue of his British father, not qualified to even be considered… end of discussion. But as long as they can keep people focused on the BC issue it keeps us from considering the real issue. Just like a magician uses slight of hand…you can't focus on the hand he's waving around, you have to watch his other hand if you want to see the trick.
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Just out of curiosity, I would like to know (and see) the passport he used to travel to Indonesia. I would like to know who paid for him to jet-set around the globe on multiple international flights as he was virtually unemployed at the time. And I would like a true explanation how, for all practical purposes, a young immigrant to the US who was a mediocre student and just a few years prior (by his own admission) was sleeping in his car, was A) accepted at Harvard Law and B) Paid the tuition.
God gave each of us a brain. Use it to contemplate if the things we know about this man are possible. This person's entire life is based on one lie spun after another. He is a player and we are the playees.
He seriously needs to have the light of Truth shown on him before it is too late for us all.
You missed the entire article, apparently. We're not talking about "substantive issues" from the left, but from the right. Wasting our political capital on a witch hunt that won't even pay off if it were to succeed is damaging a real opportunity for the right to get back into the game.
Except that it may be taken to a "world court," which would make our Constitution subject to international laws.
Anti-birtherism is not journalism. This article proves it. Another lefty apologist refusing to ask the president to just show us the paper. There are no requirements in the Democratic party to do anything that is moral or law abiding.
Schlichter, you blew it.
You produce some arguments: [...] You can point out facts like the birth announcement from 1961, but that won’t help. [...]
A newspaper birth announcement is all what's you can present here? Birth announcement which has been proved that weren't generated upon BIRTH CERTIFICATES, but upon a list compiled by the Hawaii HD, where anyone could walk-in and declare a birth? It doesn't fly, buddy –
Then: [...] Nor does his birth certificate – oh, I’m sorry, “Certificate of Live Birth,” which is supposed to somehow be different. [...]
Can you show me a signature on that COLB, a name of a doctor and a hospital, and all other data WHICH are present on a real BIRTH CeERTIFICATE?
Then, can you explain why the Hawaii HD is stubbornly refusing to confirn or deny that they ever issued the document presented on the Internet as proof of Obama's constitutional legitimacy?
And why doesn't Obama release his BC? A $15 would settle the matter -
Obamatrolls always on duty – I'll add you to my collection -
I agree that it is to Obama's political advantage to let this nonsense keep running. I do have one comment. I keep reading and hearing that Obama or the DNC or whatever have spent huge sums of money on this, but there is no evidence for that. It's in the public record that they've paid X number of dollars to a law practice, but not what those dollars paid for. The only case I know of in which someone representing Obama or the DNC (can't remember which) presented an argument in court was in October 2008 when they got a birth certificate case dismissed on the grounds that the plaintiff didn't have a legal interest in the case. They stated publicly that they went to this trouble because they didn't want any waters muddied right before the election, however without merit the case was.
My point is that Obama has no motive to make this thing go away. Just the opposite. The birthers are dupes.
You are so wrong about this.! More high quality investigative journalism has gone into the "birther" issue than went into Watergate. You just haven't read it yet.
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216
Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.
“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-oba...
Where are the facts? Missing from this flawed assertion, per National Databases, Obama used as many as 39 different social security numbers, none issued in Hawaii. Are we to assume Breitbart journalists investigated and the mountain of facts? You failed to reference any such investigations. Or maybe investigative journalism is reserved for those kids that carried the camera-phone into the Acorn offices? Obama has used for most of his life in Massachusetts, Chicago, Illinois and currently in the White House SSN XXX-XX-4425; which was issued in Connecticut between 1976-1979 and assigned to an individual born in 1890, who would have been 120 years old if alive today. Pile on the fact that Obama never resided in Connecticut and that he is clearly not 120 years old, your assertions and statements "tolerating weird, nutty conspiracy theories" comes across as woefully inadquate, which then leads one to question your motives. Since when do you or anyone else get to decide for others what gets "tolerated" and what does not? If this is what ("your movement") Breitbart journalism is about, no thanks.
Then after the Tree of Liberty has been sufficiently refreshed, that order from the soon to be defunct "World Court" will be rescinded.
Birch, I suspect, got a bad rap on a lot of things. Discreditation through character assassination is not as new as many would like to believe.
I gotta admit that I haven't seen anything official to lend creedence to the claim that he has spent a lot of money on lawyers to muddy this issue.
I am deeply skeptical of *anything* I read on World Net Daily, unfortunately. Some of their articles, including the matter of Obama's birth certificate, strike me as stories with one fact taken out of context at best and unsubstantiated hysteria and/or the product of someone's fevered imagination at worst.
I agree that we need to keep our distance from the Birthers.
An article long on invective but short on facts.
–RKE
http://www.chronwatch-america.com/blogs/1225/Obam...
Here is what happens to a man who refuses to verify his identification in America.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DO9M800...
Now we don't know if he's a creep or just a fed up citizen/customer who doesn't want to play by the ever expanding rules that bind the servant class.
But, then, we don't know that about Barak, either.
Because he will not allow us, his employers,to verify his identity.
He is, after alll, just a short term, temporary employee.
He's not a god or a king.
Folks:
There are two sets of rules: one for Obama and the other for the "not Obamas". Our not being permitted to question the Dear Leader is exactly the crap that led to the election of arguably the most incompetent indivdual to hold the office of the presidency. There were no legitimate questions on his experience, background affiliations or fitness to lead that were not shot down as coming from irrational racists. He NEVER had to answer a single question that he chose not to answer! The birth certificate is just another example.
I have no idea as to his citizenship status but I am sure his past activities and behavior scream "marxist radical" and that is what he is most interested in hiding.
The birth certificate has been shown.
Conspiracy theories exist because to some people, facts can always be explained away, no matter how far-fetched the explaining is.
Roswell UFO
Princess Diana Murdered by the Family
9/11 Truthers
HIV Created by the Gov
Faked Moon Landing, (but Wrestling is Real lol)
I believe Obama took office and wasted no time with his pronouncement to his opposition, on his very first day he said "get over it"…combined with "I won". So you might want to reconsider your choice of words given the company you joined. Especially in the shadow of "Climate Gate", as you know, that was moving full speed to mindless taxation, until a hacker [not a news organization] released the now famous emails. The know-it-all scientist elites followed similar strategies that you have taken here, demonizing the detractors with the same choice of words "It’s “stupid,” “irrational” and “destructive”. Sound familiar? So "let me add a few more adjectives", your editorial amounts to professional malpractice, intimidation, arrogance…you see, out of all those pesky little weirdos you obviously find so intollerable, somebody, somehow, one day is going to break through.
…not that I support a world court; I don't. Nor do I support that fraud, Barry Obama.
If this issue is taken to a world court, there will be a revolution, but not without shots being fired…not that I'm against that either. When you gotta, you gotta.
It's not that I (or others) "fear" what Liberals/Progressives have to say. It's a matter of being heard through the noise. The majority of Americans know practically nothing about politics that they don't hear on their local news. The people fighting over issues are what's left over, and they have to find ways to get their message out to the masses. The MSM and Hollywood are already inclined to defend the Left and attack the Right. When they are handed the opportunity (like with the Birthers), it damages the Right's (or just people who aren't Left) ability to make legitimate and common sense arguments that could sway public opinion. The Tea Party has a great format to air their grievances (ones that are widely shared), but we all saw how easily they were discredited to the majority of Americans by a hostile MSM. It's vastly more difficult to get your message out when 9 out of every 10 statements the public hears is negative.
The Birther thing has a legitimate point at it's core. Obama has gone out of his way to flaunt his disinterest in following the traditional methods of vetting (political, economic, and personal). However, they've gone from making that point to sounding more like OCD sufferers who can't accept the most logical argument, no matter who makes it. They are then used to make the point that people who oppose Captain Transparency have nefarious motives instead of real concerns about the direction of government. Even if the final score is a tie, the net result is positive for Obama because most of America doesn't get to hear a clear representation of the concerns. There's a reason why it's important to have a disciplined, easy to understand message. Having conspiracy theorists as a part of that message does nothing but make it more difficult to get it to the people it's intended for.
And as Breitbart pointed out, it's an issue that is already lost. Nobody likes the team who can't stop complaining about the officiating being bad after the game is over.
Had to recheck my link, thought I landed at Huffington. This was a cheap shot at WND. Low blow. I thought Breitbart was the real deal. Obviously got that wrong.
Petition to the Hawaii Government to release Obama’s Vital Records
FULL TEXT OF PETITION:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/
Well said!
His real/fake birth certificate shows his father to be a foreign national. Therefore he is only half a natural born U.S. citizen.
Actually i think there would be a reelection.
Sadly, this post reminds me of the trick we saw from the WH recently about what is not legitimate in the realm of news. For them, it was who was not a legitimate news organization, for Kurt (and others), it is what is not a legitimate story. He also uses a trick of the MSM that this story isn't "journalism." If there's one thing that Breitbart's Big sites have been able to impress is to beware of those who hide behind "journalism" or "journalist" to deny looking at a story.
A further problem is that at least two responsible reporters who have written or reported elsewhere in favor of the legitimacy of investigating Obama's Birth Certificate (BC) or Natural Born Citizenship (NBC) are contributors to Big sites: Pamela Geller and Andrea Shea King. By Kurt's standards they must not be "journalists." Thank God they are so much more than that.
For responsible, if occasionally high-spirited, investigation of the BC and NBC, including answers to many of the supposed difficulties Kurt raises, please go to John Charlton's The Post & Email, and the Citizen Wells blog and dig a bit. There was also a good article this week also on problems with Obama's birth narrative at American Thinker.
I'd like to hope that Big Journalism will let someone from the other side of the BC and NBC issues write a post or two. Maybe Leo Donofrio on the NBC. It would be in keeping with the great ideal that was set out when this blog was launched that no subject would be off limits.
Im sorry given Odumblo know history, There is reason to question his legitimacy. What makes it worse is his refusal to put the question to rest. Smoke is equal to heat and it takes heat to make smoke. It is just one more problem correct thinking people right center or even left who have concerns about everything Odumblo has and has not done have.
Its a fair question if tedious.
OK, wise guy, so where's the birth certificate? Rewards have been outstanding for months now of $50,000 to anyone who can prove Obama IS a natural born citizen. No takers. $10,000 to anyone who was living in Honolulu at the time of Obama's purported birth who can recall and authenticate ANY knowledge of it. No takers. $10,000 to either of the hospitals in Honolulu if they can produce ANY documentation that he was born there. No takers. We KNOW where every previous president was born. Not Obama. Where's the marker? Where's the plaque? Where do tourists go to view the president's birthplace? No where. The birth announcements probably were based on a statement submitted by someone, not on a birth certificate or official document. Find that birth certificate, and you qualify for the $50,000 reward.
Did it ever occur to you birther dummies that they don't produce the birth certificate because if they did it would put to rest the whole birther thing and that's the last thing they want? They LOVE the birthers for the very reasons the author pointed out. The more I hear about it, the more I start to think birthers are just truthers in disguise.
Exactly. I don't buy the non-citizen thing either. I think that lack of a past does bother people and the "birther" thing was a good target for some to cling to. It's not the citizenship, it's the history or lack thereof.
As this thread shows, Birtherites aren't giving up, and they're continuing to spew out legalistic-sounding drivel. Let's just look at a few of the upthread claims.
First: it doesn't matter if Obama Sr. was a British subject. If it did, we would be allowing other countries and their citizenship laws to decide who could be the US President. A number of countries state that children (and I think in some cases grandchildren) of naturalized American citizens who were born in the USA are still citizens of that other state. You want to tell Joe Lieberman that his grandchildren can't be President if his daughter marries a child of ex-Israelis living in LA? Israel is one country with this rule, Greece is another, and I believe Ireland is a third.
Second: The story that Obama went to Pakistan on some other country's passport is a fiction. There was NO travel ban then (nor any other time) on Americans going to Pakistan.
Third: Even if we credited the story that Obama's stepdad tried to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it wouldn't matter. Obama's US citizenship is his and can't be renounced by a parent or step-parent.
As an Obama supporter and extreme liberal, though, I appreciate your keeping this movement going. It's good for us when you look like rabid nutcases indistinguishable from Tax Protestor loons.
WHY has OBAMA spent over 1.6 million dollars NOT to show America his REAL birth certificate? REAL journalists should investigate this! What if this were a Republican hiding something…need I say more? I am so tired of the press NOT doing their job in order to protect their own. Lay off the criticism and do some investigative journalism, Mr. Kurt Schlichter!!! Oh, by the way, ANYBODY can pay to place an announcement in a newspaper.
I am a patriot and have been following this Birth certificate for 1 1/2 yrs now. He ( the Userper) is not qualified to be the president. Anyone who spends over 2 million dollars to hide all his records has something to hide. When KOS and Huff posted this BC in their websites, that should tell you that it's a fraud because they LIE about everything.
I am very dissapponted in the author of this artilcle, in Beck and Andrew. YES, there are bigger issues at hand but thats exactly what the left wanted us to do…let go of THIS issue. What is the big deal in showing your original BC like the rest of us have to do??
Smoke and mirrors. Lies. Thats all it is. Sorry to all who don't agree with me but lets start at point "A" before we try to quash point "F". You think Soros spent all those billions to have his "puppet boy" found out? Get real.
Here, here! Great post!
There is no legal term for "half a natural born citizen". Either you are or you aren't. He was born in Hawaii, mom a US citizen.
It doesn't matter if he was a citizen of Vulcan. He's in. Quit wasting your feeble brains on thinking about whether he's legitimate. He's not legitimate for so many other, significant reasons. We need to focus all available energy on purging marxists, socialists, communists, and collectivists (i.e., progressivists) first from our government, then from the country's borders. You lefties have the right to speak your mind but not to destroy the Constitution. Your Consitutuional rights end where they infringe mine.
PLEASE tell me just what special privilege does Mr. Obama have in order to NOT be required to release his OFFICIAL birth certificate, school records, passport, etc. If his release of the documents would solve the question of his Constitutional eligibility to serve as President, then WHY will he not release the records? WHAT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY??? WHY is he spending HUGE sums of money to fight the court battles revolving around his birth certificate? And by asking the above questions, I am considered a "freak?"
The difference between birthers and truthers is evidence (not to mention following the Constitution). There is a serious lack of evidence that Bush was involved in 9/11; while there is a mountain of evidence suggesting at the very least that Obama is hiding something on his birth certificate and subsequent records. Journalists should know this.
Get your facts straight – the original birth certificate has NEVER been made public, just the certificate of live birth. Wise up!
If he is NOT Constitutionally eligible to serve, then all of his actions as President, including Commander in Chief, are not legally valid.
Wow – was Andrew having an off night? I really like the guy. I also like Joseph Farah. Come on, guys, now is NOT the time to fight!
Really now – was Andrew having an off night? I really like the guy. I also like Joseph Farah. Come on, guys, now is NOT the time to fight!
You think Biden is scarier than Obama? Think again please, although I do agree with most of your posts. Obama is evilllllllllllllll….Biden is stupid.
And Obama hasn't shown his birth certificate why? Sorry, I don't buy it that's wrong to ask why this assclown hasn't shown proof he's eligible. If it's such a nonissue, show the damn thing.
What an ignorant article. Breitbart and his lackeys know where their bread is being buttered, and they're not going to do anything to disrupt the gravy train. Obama's the golden goose. These opportunists wouldn't exist without the fraud scaring the crap out of, and bankrupting, the country.
They'll cover for him as readily as the liberal media. Different motives, same bullsh*t spin and refusal to give an honest examination of the issue. And of course the ever-present cautionary scolding that it's going to "harm the Republican cause."
Weasels like Mr. Schlichter here are as intellectually dishonest as the shrieking shills in lib media.
They all know Obama's got a problem, and legitimate reason to keep his records under wraps. (Imagine if McCain had presented a one-page note from his doctor in lieu of medical records….think the liberal media would have simply let it slide without a word like your conservative media did in response to Barry's six paragraph Dr's note?)
Breitbart et al are content to treat their readers like morons, and continue spinning/dismissing so they can cash in on the Obama experiment.
Gutless, money-grubbing punks, every one of them.
I have concluded, by wasting my time reading this article, that politely asking the most powerful man in the free world to show America his ORIGINAL birth certificate, in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, makes me a conspiratorial freak.
Except the idea that this guy is doing so much damage and he won't even show he's legal to do so. I'm far from a conspiracy nut… I just want the jackhole to show a simple little document that I'm required to show for a number of things.
I hope Andrew Breitbart will verify the quote. I for one would like to know if Mr. Breitbart really said/took those actions. Also, check out this guy, then consider the source. Kurt Schlichter makes his living as a civil trial lawyer and a partner at Schlichter & Shonack, LLP, in Manhattan Beach, California. He is also a former stand-up comic and comedy writer who got his start in the 80’s reviewing bad movies for the U.C. San Diego student humor paper The Koala while simultaneously editing The California Review, the campus’s right-wing opinion journal.
When you consider the civil trial lawyers (90%+) overwhelmining support the DEMS and spent big bucks getting Obama elected, "right-wing opionion journal" is quite the comedy. This guys resume reads like the classic jack-of-all-trades-and-master-of-none. Looks like agenda based propaganda more than any form of authentic journalism.
No need for a world court. This is our country and no other country has the right to interfere. Period.
I so agree with you.
EXACTLY!!!
Farah seems very CIA to me.
Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are less expensive and more readily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration." The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances [7]. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels [9].
Hey, Andrew – I love your news site, but reading these comments makes me think you have some serious PR to do! The author of this article has not been beneficial to your unbiased reputation.
The CIA deals with intelligence, so I assume you are praising Mr. Farah?
Here, here!
~~ As an Obama supporter and extreme liberal~~ That says it all. Go back to your dark cockraoch cave or better yet, please leave this country and find safe haven with Castro or Mao the murderer. See ya in November, traitor to the Constitution.
Not really – the Deliberator knows that as lose-win analysis, not showing the BC is costlier that allowing iot to be seen. In many cases too much ratiocination doesn't help – show the BC and the matter is closed.
Thank you. I really don't know why some people who claim to be patriots want us to let go of Obama's past history, starting with his cocaine days right through him mysteriously being admitted to Harvard when the idiot can't write or talk without a teleprompter!!!!!!!
Birtherism is becoming to the Right what Trutherism became for the Left.
Hey Sphinctor, we either have a Consitution or we don't. You conveniently fail to mention all the other dingle Barry documents that remain sealed:
1. Passports
2. College Transcripts
3. Medical Records
4. IL State Bar Application
5. IL Bar record
The POTUS works for us, not the other way around. Lets start with these, and we'll go from there.
Here, ask him: akas@sandsattorneys.com …… I feel the same way.
Requesting to see an official document is not the same as saying 9/11 was an inside job. Nice try.
Yes!
kas@sandsattorneys.com
This the author's email. Lets ask him why this article diminishes us into morons and the issue is not worthy of investigation but half the world thought it was.
I have to show a Photo ID before my doctor's office will check me in for an appointment!
I applaud many of these comments.
America still is a constitutional republic, right? Then, the law we are SUPPOSED to follow is the CONSTITUTION. We are not a democracy. If we don't follow bits or pieces of the constitution, we aren't America any more. Get it? We are technically in a constitutional crisis. Hence the URGENCY the NBC issue gets resolved.
The author should do a bit more journalistic research on why the NBC clause a) was put into the constitution b) why it is important and c) how BHO does not qualify for POTUS..
Start here Schlichter: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
You need to catch up and learn the facts.
Wholly smokes batman they think our president isnt legal. Robin what do you mean? Batman they say because he hasnt shown his real birth cert,college records,1 page health record,passports sealed, 39 ssn's numbers ,morgage fruad and countlless other things. These birthers think they are entitled to the truth.HA HA batman. Robin !!!! This is the work of only one man. Who batman THE JOKER!!!!
Mom gave up her U.S. citizenship.
Wouldn't you think that the President would be PROUD to show America his proof of U.S. citizenship? And why did the Democrat-controlled Congress hold hearings to make sure John McCain was Constitutionally eligible to serve as President due to his birth in the Panama Canal Zone because of his father's military service? DOUBLE STANDARD!
Not funny, try again.
It is almost funny, though.
With all due respect, I believe the author is wrong.
While this issue is not the most important with which we must deal, it is valid. BHO has hired a lot of lawyers to cover up any and all record of his past. Even John McCain's citizenship was questioned because he was born on a military base in Panama to a Navy officer and his wife! BHO had NEVER had to undergo such scrutiny. All we want to know is: Why?
Still, there are a lot of other issues to attend to and I think we should concentrate our efforts there instead of allowing ourselves to get hung up on this one.
Let's fight the fights we need to be fighting now and let the truth of this one come out when it will. It WILL come out!
This could be so easily put to rest…
…just show the document.
and would also be cheaper…than spending millions lawyering up to prevent the 'showing of the document"…
This is sort of odd to me…am I weird?
The thing is, what proof is there that he has spent millions to prevent the "showing"? I've seen figures from $800,000 to 3 million. All from bloggers claiming it as fact. It wouldn't take millions to defend something like that.
You are sane, that's the problem.
I agree. It doesn't matter if he is a citizen or not- we all need to have Democratic Progressivism jammed down our throats until we regurgitate and then maybe we will swear off of them forever. It's called negative reinforcement.
BUT aren't there some states that passed a law that a candidate must provide his birth cert in order to run in that state? So what is Obama going to do in 2012? Skip those states? We all know the short form cert is worthless.
But IF I were a democrat, I would want Obama to release a real cert because this niggling little thought (why won't he release it? What is he hiding?) is the basis of all the distrust we have in this administration. It is not a distraction to be used for Obama's benefit- just the opposite. Chinese saying: "One mouse dropping ruins the whole pot of rice porridge". The lack of a birth cert is that mouse dropping.
He's right. You're wrong. Obama keeps stoking Birtherism himself. He knows it works to his advantage to label anyone who disagrees with him as a far-right kook. When he brings it up (as he did recently as an example of what He considers 'uncivil') he's only trying to distract attention from his failed and failing policies.
But certainly his lack of openess with all his personal records — medical, school, work, birth and citizenship — and his demands that we take him on faith and his word alone during the campaign was a clear indication of how he would run his administration. That he didn't provide those records can be used to show the value of ObamAyres' word, but not much else at this point.
multiple lawsuits require lawyers and lawyers are not free and the lawsuits keep coming Obama's way
Schlichter is wrong, and I for one am not sorry.
He says "Get over it" — we say "Understand it".
Conspiracy theories exist when things are hidden. And Obama is hiding something. Why not show the proof?
No one in the Obama camp has an answer to this question, they just accuse the seekers of evidence to be conspiracy nuts. Why does the fact that Obama may be hiding something make you so afraid?
Stupid article. So we just go away and nod quietly and accept that right and wrong are subjected to relativism? Obama should come clean and open up his records. End of story. And if you chose to read some history you may find that the 16th Amendment was, if not fraudulently ratified, at least damn questionable. Both of these arguments may be long shots but the author seems to think we should only fight the easy fights and pick the low hanging fruit. The 16th Amendment questions are bigger than you can possibly imagine – taxation is the reality of loss of liberty and it's getting worse. Without taxes politicians are permanently marginalized, which may sound like a far off dream to some, but to me it sounds like perfection.
John "Haditha Massacre" Murtha served in the military too, didn't he?
Election fraud is the issue.
If all you AKAObama supporters and aplogists had lied on your job application
would you still be on that job when exposed? Doubt it…………
There appears to be evidence that AKAObama surrendered his Illinois Law License
for lying about or using an alias and phoney Social Security Number.
Cannot prove it until records are opened or some other lawyer or judge confirms.
Some of you need to study up, grow a pair, man-up and admit we are RIGHT about this usurper.
Obviously AKAObama won't man-up and continues to hide behind the mis-deeds and skirts of
his mother and grandmother.
Calling this a conspiracy 'theory' is wrong. There is a conspiracy underway. It is not a 'theory'. Facts are being hidden and distorted in a coordinated manner. That is a simple fact. A growing number of people know there is a con game in play.
The facts we know – the 'online COLBs' are 100% fake. They are all from the same source. They are bad fakes. Factcheck lied and has committed fraud. Pure and simple. Another fact – BHO has used numerous social security numbers over his life time. Why?
The WH hides behind a meanless and invalid statement from a low level DOH employee at Hawaii and hides behind poorly faked images that float around on the internet. Rahl Emanual can smile all he wants. He knows that the American people are aware and not going away. Ridicule and smirks are all they have left.
I agree. This issue is a major distraction which, in my opinion, Obama *wants* to keep up for that precise reason. Being obsessed with a birth certificate means that fewer people will be paying attention to what he's doing to the country. That's where people should be focusing their attention and energies.
The fact remains dear leader has not and will not share his original records, as it may make the emperor's new clothes more apparent to all.
So we have to just believe. That he is a citizen and that he has accomplished all the things he said he has in school and his personal life.
So much for openness and forthrightness from dear leader.
We've learned our lesson. On to someone real with the next election.
So …. Obama has spent $2M+ in direct opposition to your position…..it has been a great lesson for many of us to research the requirements for serving as POTUS……and many agree there are no stupid questions when answers are forthcoming….
If he doesn't care to prove who he says he is, then who is he really…….
I agree. Though I do believe the issue of his legitimacy is fair, I think it ought to be left "off stage", if you will. Let those who are carrying the legal challenge forward do it. Keep the subject off of the movement's main stage. Like you said, there are more pressing matters to deal with, to which we can help Barry dig his own hole, but, without taking the rest of America with him.
WTF are you smoking tonight?
Why don't YOU show us YOUR original birth certificate? You can't, because you don't have it. It's on file in the state you were born, and nothing short of a court order will get it released. You may have a COPY of your birth certificate, or a Certificate of Live Birth, and that's all that is required to get your driver's license or passport. But no one has their original birth certificate. Continually demanding that Obama present his, when no other President was required to show theirs, only makes you look like an ignoramous.
He produced the same documents Bush produced to prove his citizenship.
Come on, people. I don't trust Obama any more than you do, but I trust Hillary even less. Do you really think that if Obama wasn't a citizen, she wouldn't have used such information to knock him out of the primary?
If Obama wasn't a U.S. citizen, do you really think Hillary wouldn't have used that information to knock him out of the primary, or at the very least blackmail him into a VP spot? She probably had her people dig deeper into that area than anyone could by legal means.
If she did do what you suggest she would be accused of racism.
I agree the issue is a losing one and a moot pint, but it dies illustrate a maddening trait of the Obama campaign and now administration- one of obfuscation and dodging. Enabled by a sycophant mainstream media, he has yet to produce an actual birth certificate (not the same in Hawaii as a Certificate of Live Birth), his college transcripts, any writings he has done from his past that would indicate he was the actual author of his books, and so on. And it is we who end up looking like idiots for questioning The One, when he could make the whole thing go away by simply producing some documents. Of course, it is to his advantage to not present. But I wonder what the MSM would be doing if it were Bush. In his case, they left no stone unturned to unearth every incriminating record and document they could find, even manufacturing some of their own. Military records, court records, arrest records, grade transcripts, attendance records for the reserves, military records, interviewing former classmates, co-workers friends, acquaintances, sparing no expense to portray Bush as a drug addicted moron screw off unfit for any office, let alone President of the United States. Yet we still don't know about Obama's grades, arrest records, origin of his best selling books, and so on. We're just supposed to shut up and accept whatever he and his camping tells us is the truth, and revel in his superior intelligence. Even a halfhearted attempt by the right to hold Obama to the same standard is met with howls of indignation and accusations of the people wanting to know of being NASCAR watching, tin foil hat wearing, wife beating, racist, bible thumping, country music loving high school dropouts.
It is not the actual records that people would like to see so much as it is seeing The One being held to the same standard as his predecessor. Is that too much to ask?
I agree with your post exactly. I am not a conspiracy guy but why will our President not produce his "Birth Certificate"
He works for us and he has a responsibility to settle this issue. I believe he is purposely leaving the wound open to exploit what most consider the right wing nuts. I wish someone would ask him if he is deliberately not producing his certificate.
Breitbart is wrong.
Either the United States Constitution is a worthless piece of paper and millions of American have given their lives to protect it or it stands.
This is a rule of law.
Breitbart is wrong.
Sure, the wife of "the First Black President" upends the fairy tale run of an actual (alleged) Black candidate via scandal. She would have been public enemy #1, and knew exactly what the liberal press would have done to her for ruining the "historic", "conscience-cleansing", "hey ma, look what we made" moment.
She'd have been destroyed.
Unbelievable that so many want to just ignore this subject. Nobody said it has to be a main theme in our agenda moving forward but for goodness sakes, it's a legitimate freaking question that should be answered. He's obviously hiding SOMETHING and a true journalist will try damn hard to find out what that is.
I just had a thought (but no, not my first one ever). Why doesn't the national enquirer cover this? Or are they already. They have sources and aren't afraid of looking stupid to the msm right? I think Obama is a citizen, but I would like to know his grades from college, read some of his writings from college (if for no other reason than to compare them to mine and gloat over my superior ability), and see his health record. I remember hearing constantly that Bush was stupid because he was a c-student. I want to know what grades Obama got if he is so much smarter. I don't really think grades serve as a good indication of intelligence or ability to lead, but I would still like to know. Why did I know these things about other Presidents and not about this one?
The national enquirer should be all over this if they aren't already. They would probably get a lot more people reading their paper too! I might even look at this article.
Hmmm… well you don't need to read a teleprompter… just jot something down on the palm of your hand … duh…
Where is his birth certificate?
Sorry sport, that lame talking point doesn't hold water.
You don't get into Harvard without school records. Think about it.
Kurt is 100% correct. Obama chooses to hide his birth certificate because it helps him to have the bull goose looneys on our side dancing around the firepit claiming he was born outside the USA and is actually a stealth muslim. The more the make us look fringey, the more they can marginialize us with independent voters who are so turned off by politics. Even a whiff of fringe craziness loses everything for us. The left can afford to indulge their fringe becaus the MSM will ignore it. I went to the big Anti-War rally in SF with 200,000 people and most of them were crazy, angry people. A look on TV that night and you would think it was extended soley by mainstream, rational suburbanites. The media puts pancake makeup on the left's flaws. The MSM shines the focus beam on our fringe characters and leaves everybody elso out.
Yeah the know-it-alls told Woodward and Bernstein they were wasting their time…
A Ronald Reagan quote would apply here, as they usually do: Trust But Verify!
That was my point–Hillary's a hungry heifer. She'd squeal like another barnyard animal, if she knew.
Right!!! The earth is flat! Proclaim it from the rooftops… afterall this is a free country… with a democratically elected leader.
Just remember sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
I wouldn't bet on that any more. The Left are so corrupt they would/coudldo anything.
Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." – ILN, 4/19/30 G.K.Chesterton
The remedy is simple, as the lefty courts have shown us. Just as evidence obtained "illegally" is thrown out, then an electoral office obtained without qualification is nullified by we the people.
It is my observation that this issue is much bigger in middle America than among the East coast so-called elites. Certainly in Nashville this belief is the norm. I myself have had no previous opinion on the subject until today. Now I demand to see the original birth certificate signed by the doctor that delivered him. The so-called elites by mocking those of us in fly-over country have galvinized our resolve.
Some of us are capable of multi-tasking.
As if there was any question about Bush's background? He was not vetted at all. The "birth certificate" we have now is just a JPG from the campaign website.
SWEAR UNDER OATH that YOU have witnessed access to Obamas Birth Certificate and I might believe you!!!!! Brain washing runs deep, look in the mirror, I have a right to wonder, until proven otherwise! Your “Teachers” taught you well!!!! You are defending him, go ask him as a friend, so you can prove all us IDIOTS wrong, I like being proven wrong, That’s a challenge to you!!!!!! I’m just a common voter interested in the future of America, not for me, for my grand children!!! History will reveal the truth, I hope you are man enough to admit you were wrong!!!!!!
Good to know you people are paying attention to the discussion. Perhaps you could retract the errors that have been pointed out? You have to admit there is a bit of a double standard here; isn't bigjournalism.com supposed to be all about NOT burying stories?
WND has documented the money spent.
Nobody cares what you "expect" to find on the long form, just what's there.
Oh yeah, what hospital was he born in, if he was born in Hawaii?
Now that a few members of the tea party "movement" took the initiative to have a meeting, somehow the media, (including the conservative media) want to rush in and start describing it and dictating what is or what it shouldn't be. Don't you get it? This movement is about "individuals" who are sick and tired of the good ol boys in each political party dictating our lives. If you truly took time to read the blogs, there is no consensus, plan, platform, or designated leader.
We don't need you telling us what to discuss or not discuss at our private meetings. That the media was invited is a show of the tea party movement's total disregard for what any of you say about us. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear from you.
Let's face it…if the Republican party were so smart, it would have smacked George Bush alongside the head when he started letting his budgets get out of hand…and starting going south on immigration. For all the good Dubya did to keep us safe after 9/11, he did us a lot of harm.
If the Republican party is so smart, why did the geniuses at RNC stand for John McCain as the nominee???
Thank you for confirming that we will talk about issues as they come up…they may be discarded later…or not.
We don't need anyone preaching to us about what a successful model will be in 2010 or 2012. As Scott Brown showed, WE can carry the water ourselves thank you very much.
Ok, so I think we've pretty much reached consensus that this article is horribly flawed, ignores or misrepresents facts, and is anathema to the whole mission of bigjournalism.com. I would appreciate a response from Mr. Breitbart as to why this was posted here, and if it is not forthcoming (like a certain birth certificate), I will assume he has something to hide. Like maybe the power and fame has gone to his head a little bit and he's afraid of what the MSM will think. Since when did he start caring more about what people think than the truth?
Jane:
As I wrote in my own tea party conservative blog, I don't know if Obama was born in Kenya, Honolulu or Cucamonga. I am grateful to Mr. Farah for his many diligent works, especially against radical Islam. Joseph Farah is a treasure, not someone that should be accosted in back hallways by one of our own…
Shame on anyone who claims to be a journalist who seeks to silence a journalist or the discussions of the concerned public. There ARE questions to be answered.
The Republican party needs to worry more about NOT offending the thinking, working people of the tea party movement who are doing the truly hard work—organizing, emailing, writing, blogging, calling, protesting and getting the job done…when most of the GOP pundits want to just file it, phone it in…or visit each other on their radio or television sets and agree with each other.
We don't want to be a third party….but your arrogance may force that hand some day.
pfffttt….
A guy is the product of a broken home of mixed race, the son of an immigrant and a daughter of a WWII vet. Still he grows up to attend ivy league schools and ultimately become president. Sounds pretty improbable…
…and anyway I can see how you'd have trouble imagining that someone who is such a poor student that they have to attend Columbia University got into Harvard Law… Maybe just about anyone can make it in this country? Isn't there a name for that?
Oh yeah the American dream… maybe we shouldn't believe in that either?????
The stupidity of the birthers and their fellow travelers can NEVER be overestimated. Just when you think they have reached the limit of their idiocy forums like this come around and the idiots NEVER fail to disappoint. Seriously dummies give it up already.
She might have used such information had it been very early on. But once his campaign became a juggernaut, it was too late for her. She would have been damned if she did, and damned if she didn't. Let's pretend for a moment that she had a far removed surrogate drop the bombshell during the last few months of the primaries. And let's assume the info knocked Obama out of contention. Do you really believe that all of the blacks that voted for Obama would simply vote for Hillary instead? I don't think that they would have. They would have been so disillusioned that their candidate was removed on an issue of eligibility that the Republicans would have won. So I think that even if Hillary knew, she knew it would only hurt her and the party.
I think it was Harry and Nancy that "certified" the one. And Factcheck.org is funded by Annenberg which by coincidence also employed Obama in the Chicago Challenge project. Small world, isn't it?
What happened to freedom of speech? Skip over the 1st amendment… let's just read the 2nd over and over and over??? This is a democracy. We do not send those who disagree with us into exile. Hold fast to the core principles of our nation or do not call yourself a patriot.
The only treachery in evidence here is in the intent to countermand the will of the people.
Part 1:
There are so many on the right who speak out on this issue, pretending to be experts, like O'Reilly and Schlichter, who don't know sh**. From their lofty, self righteous perch they advise us to drop it. One might be inclined to follow their advice if they had confidence that they knew what they were talking about, but they undermine their own credibility.
Either Obama was born in Hawaii or he was born in Kenya at at 7:24 p.m., on August 4, 1961, at Coast Provincial General Hospital, in Mombasa, Kenya. If he was born in Hawaii, there would be hospital records and a CertifiCATION of Live Birth listing the Hospital, Doctor, Nurse and witnesses. He can be born anywhere, including Kenya, Hawaii, or Antarctica, and obtain a Hawaiian CertifiCATE of Live Birth. This paper is issued by various states as a matter of convenience. It does not confer US Citizenship.
You need to correct the "you" to "you're" (which is a contraction of "you are". Not a big deal but it helps.
Also, the author is right. This issue is a distraction from all of the destructive and long lasting things that Pres. Obama and his administration is doing.
This can all be resolved with one document….
There has to be something…he has a passport…maybe…
Trust can be a powerful partner…one would thing it would be worth pursuing.
Guess not…must be more bebeficial to leave doubt…or maybe….
Part 2:
There is no Hawaiian hospital records, no CertifiCATION of Live Birth, and no witnesses to support his being born specifically in Hawaii. However, there is one records administrator who claims he has seen the CertifiCATION of Live Birth and it shows he was born in Hawaii. Obama has spent over a $million, enlisted several lawyers and fought many court cases to prevent the release of the CertifiCATION of Live Birth.
Part 3:
Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was present at the hospital in Kenya for Obama’s birth. Two half siblings claim he was born in Kenya. If he was born in Kenya, his mother was too young to pass on US Citizenship, therefore he was born a British citizen, as Kenya was a British colony. If he was born in Hawaii, he had dual citizenship. Later he acquired Indonesian citizenship when he moved there, attended a Muslim school and declared he was Indonesian. He lost any other citizenship because Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. He lost his already lost dual British citizenship when he did not declare allegiance to either Great Britain or Kenya before age 21. Upon return from Indonesia, he did not take an oath of allegiance to the US before age 21. He did not change his name from Barry Soetoro.
These are the issues that beg to be resolved. I wish I knew the answer. Musings by lazy, ignorant people like Schlichter are not helpful.
You are absolutely right "Birtherism isn't Journalism"! Birtherism is the conversation that starts as a whisper around the breakfast table and grows to the main topic of conversation by suppertime, because no "Journalists" try to clear the subject up, other than ridicule the warranted rumor!!! I've seen your golden goose of validity of the 16th Amendment (Attendees who were conveniently missing) and Obama's posted "Certification of Birth" and photo copies of the news paper articles!! My question is, if all this effort was made to present all this supporting proof, why wasn't the actual Certificate presented, it would have been easier to find and it would be indisputable, the paper it is printed on would be aged to 1961 or is it 62, who knows without proof? Does it exist? Who's seen it and who has sworn under oath to that fact, that's the real story!!! Loose your identity and try to get it back without an original "Birth Certificate" and see how far you get!!!!!
Hear! Hear! Just kick them out, slam the door, and let them wander off in their own pathetic wilderness. Birthers represent a real and present danger to all of us who care about the substantive and critically important issues before us.
Perhaps you are not a native English speaker? The phrase is "hear, hear" not "here, here."
When one finds it necessary to resort to childish name calling in defense of a position, it signals a weakness, it is a passive aggressive form of dealing with one's inability to deal with facts put forth that don't conform to one's preconceived notions or opinions; most often, the result of immaturity and inability to cope in a public forum.
US History, as well as US Code is unambiguous involving Natural Born Citizen, to insinuate other, is to perpetuate dangerous propaganda founded in an insidious desire to out maneuver and manipulate tax paying legal US citizens.
References involving Natural Born citizen requirement for POTUS under the U.S.Constitution:
-1758 Vattel’s “The Law of Nations” –The Framers relied on many of the principles to write the Constitution
-1787-1788-The Federalist Papers, including Justice John Jay’s letter to George Washington
-Article II, Section I, United States Constitution
-The Naturalization Act of 1790-repeal of “Natural Born” from the 1790 Act in 1795
-The Framers of the 14th Amendment-(citizenship granted, not Natural Born Citizenship); Rep. John Bingham and Sen. Lyman Trumball define Natural Born Citizen
-Congressional Hearing on Dual Citizenship, 2005, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” discussion.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/16/citizens-h...
sure and while we're at it why don't we get Sarah's passport too?
oops…
You may be correct in stating that pursuing this "conspiracy theory" may hurt those of us on the Right who are trying to take back our nation from the Progressive agenda that the Left seems to be trying to enact. However… I know I'm not a wacko or a conspiracy theorist, yet I believe there are genuine questions that have not yet been satisfactorily answered. Regardless of what this article states, a Certificate of Live Birth is NOT the same thing as a Birth Certificate. We also know that one exists in the State of Hawaii and that President Obama will not release it. The question is "Why?" Until this single little question is answered, this whole drama will remain regardless of what people on the Left or the Right have to say about it.
Makes me suspicious. Given the forum in which he was operating, it is inconceivable anyone would bring this up. He stands alone for this is not what the Tea Party movement is about; it is about effecting change in the November elections and, most importantly, in 2012. Everyone involved in the movement has their eye on the prize.
Great piece, and AMEN! You covered it thoroughly, so the only helpful comment I can think of is for those who, in spite of all common sense and lack of credible evidence to the contrary, really (really, really) want to buy into this, or other conspiracy theories … please read Daniel Pipes' book, "Conspiracy."
As to the "Birther" nonsense originating on the Left: I tend to believe it could well have been "encouraged" by the Obama team, if only because it was from that quarter that "questions" about John McCain's birthplace (outside of the US, on the Naval Base where his father was serving), and McCain's "citizenship status" possibly disqualifying him from the Presidency.
R-ahmen!
…And what you do is?
Try using a Certificate of Live Birth- to get a passport- or any other important item- it isn't allowed to be used- You and I NEED a CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE- not a photocopy- for most anything we do as a citizen.
It is devious journalist's such as yourself that allow this Important issue to be unresolved.
The Constitution is clear on this fact. Obama is hiding something ( to the tune of millions of dollars) and you are helping him- so in fact -you snub your nose at the Truth of any matter by being so foolish and arrogant– You aren't related to Pelosi or Reid by any chance- Andrew made a bad choice in picking you- shouldn't you be on MSNBC- YOU JERK
OBAMA Couldn't pass a background check to work as one of his FBI agents– But Progressives dont care for facts.
And besides, "Birthers" are the people who think Bristol Palin's baby is really Sarah's baby. Or vice-versa.
While not a practicing birther, I do think there is a Constitutional issue that needs to be addressed just so we don't end up in the same pickle again. The issue, as I see it, is whether or not he is a "natural born citizen" which is quite different than a "native born citizen." While I do believe he was born in Hawaii, if Mr. Obama, Sr. is his father, he 'could' be a British citizen by virtue of his father's British citizenship.
I was born on foreign soil (Australia) to an Australian citizen who married my American father while he was stationed there in WWII. While I'm a citizen, I don't believe that I could run for President (well, that, and the fact I don't think I could read a teleprompter)!
It's an issue that I think we probably should drop for now, at least publicly, but should investigate once Duh 1 is out of office. We need to make sure this never happens again.
John Bircher's were thrown out…. and then, every thing the John Bircher said turned out to be quite accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lecAy-3Qtxk
I for one, disagree. There is no conclusive proof that Obama was born in the U.S.; at the very least he should have to provide such proof as required by the U.S. Constitution. Add to that the fact that he has not released college records, etc., and his behavior looks very suspicious. Now of course, one likely explanation is that he's trying to bait the right, which may be the case (although this wouldn't have made sense back during the campaign). Now all of a sudden Breitbart and Beck are falling all over themselves trying to distance themselves from birthers in order not to be "discredited". Somehow, at the same time, Beck rails against politicians who get elected and then fail to stand by their beliefs, saying the PC thing in order to get reelected. Well I don't care, the truth is the truth, and nobody, including Beck or Breitbart, can tell me to shut up. This is a legitimate questions that was never sufficiently addressed, and whether popular or not, the Constitution must be upheld. It's sad to see the new media caving to old media pressure so quickly.
Breitbart.com. ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST.
Did you know there is NOT ONE PERSON that has stepped forward even to this date to confirm BHO school/college records? The head of the same class/year is on the record as having completed an investigation of former class-mates, he/they does/do not remember BHO in class, campus, etc etc etc. Not one, no former dorm-mates, girlfriend, librarian, etc etc etc, nobody. No former news-prints, documents, sports, nothing. But that is reasonable to you, isn't?
When Greta went to both Palin & Brown's hometown, they found plenty of people to step forward and tell-all. But not so for BHO. But that is reasonable to you, isn't?
Persuasive argument.
What the heck is a practicing birther? Agree on the Constitutional issues. Without truth in action according to valid laws, USA amounts to a banana republic.
Enjoy the banana's inside your door.
In 2006 the Honolulu Advertiser seemed to agree with Tammy Duckworth, enough to include in print, that Obama was "born in Indonesia".
Screen caps of the original article – which was edited and scrubbed of the incriminating passage on 10/15/09:
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/Usurper_...
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/Usurper_...
Gee, that's peculiar. Why would it seem common knowledge to locals in HI that he was born in Indonesia? Hmm, what could it be?
Let's see those school registration records, Barry. Starting with Punahou. I don't even care about your grades.
What's easier to explain away, student financial aid fraud or foreign student status?
I had to come back and read this one more time. Of all of the BS I have read and been subjected to "in the public forums" over this last couple of years here in the USA, I must tell you, and I hope Breitbart is paying attention, this editorial here at this supposed journalistic source, was/is the most offensive, by far. GTH! Moving forward, I will move over to WND for my on-line news source. I encourage others to do the same.
"for democracy to function"….
It is *NOT* a democracy.
It *IS* a Republic.
The moment it truly flips to democracy: we are finished as a nation.
Have a look at the *MESS* in Kalifornika, with its gianormous constitution, and its Initiative process..(VERY democratic)…and tell me how great democracies are. The only thing worth a crap, after all these years and hundreds of Initiatives, is Prop 13. One out of how many????
We need to be using terms like Republic and Individual(ism). It is Individual Rights that are critical…NOT Human Rights..what a collectivist term. ARG!
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Minnie, Let us assume for sake of argument that Barack was born in Kenya – so what.
As I understand it a child born to US parents abroad is still a US citizen. Barack's mother is a US ctizen. She never renounced her citizenship.Thus Barack is a naturalized US citizen. While it is true that if a child of foreign parents is born in the US he has the right to caim US citizenship this is unique to our country. Barack could not claim Kenyan citizenship even if he wanted to since his parents were not Kenyan at the time of his birth. This is my understanding of this anyways.
You want to know the truth. Fine but state it is a fascination with the President;s birth certificate and not because you think it means he might not be qualified to be in office.
The very fact that Obama's natural born citizenship status is in question by so many American IS A STORY UNTO ITSELF that demands being discussed and hopefully, investigated. Of course, under normal circumstances the MSM would have gone for the dirt, but in this instance, they were complicit "community organizers" in Obama's campaign.
By the way, can anyone name a sitting president in the past 200+ years whose eligibility was in question by such a large percentage of the electorate? It almost makes me wonder why CBS, ABC and NBC News doesn't cover that as a story and then send out reporters in the street to ask people like me, why? Oh wait. I forgot. I'm thinking of the CBS, ABC and NBC of 40 years ago. Never mind.
Personally, I don't believe his blocking access to his records was a ploy to divert attention from the big ticket items he's currently destroying the country with. Maybe it's a side benefit in a strange, warped way, but when I look at the number of people that would like this question addressed, I don't think there is a political upside for pissing off this many people.
I believe he is hiding something. In applying the principle of Occams Razor (Wikipedia definition: "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity and the conclusion thereof, that the simplest explanation or strategy tends to be the best one"), the simplest explanation is that he is hiding something that would effect his eligibility to be president. Kurt, I believe that you have fallen victim to those liberals who have convinced you that Obama is using this as a political ploy. Perhaps you got tired of their ridicule. But let's be real. They don't know the truth better than you or I do. But how else can they respond to the question of why both candidate Obama and President Obama was less than forthcoming on this issue? The problem is that they cannot. The only way they know how to respond is by using ridicule as a form of deflection.
That might have made sense as a strategy if this had been something that had just recently just come out. But this story has been out since Spring 2008, six months before the election. And I have followed it since then and I'm not going to be giving a Obama pass on this or any other bad thing he is doing. I say, let the chorus of Americans asking why Obama blocks access to his long form birth certificate get louder and louder.
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I think that this "birther" issue is being used as cover for a variety of more mundane frauds.
1.) No school records? Hides his being promoted through affirmative action, despite poor academic performance. "Corpse-man?" Please.
2.) No records on how he paid for school? Again, hiding fraud, concerning gaming the federal and state programs for aid. Perhaps obtaining money by lying about his identity or place of birth.
3.) Issues about foriegn passports? To hide illegal travel to Pakistan.
There are definetly issues here with the ethics of "el presidente." His wife accepted a disbarrment, he never really
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practiced law and neither one of them distinguished themselves academically of professionally in any manner. Despite these facts, they both became comfortably wealthy by dealing with a variety of criminals like Tony Rezco, etc.,etc.
So perhaps, it's all just a clever misdirection from the actual crimes.
Personally, I think it goes way deeper. There are too many coincidental relationships, too many missing pieces and too much money being spent to keep "secrets."
There is far too much smoke for there to be no fire. I suspect the truth is so outrageous that no one wants to ever find it out, because it would shake the very foundations of what we believe about our country.
And I don't think need a tinfoil hat just because I'd like an explanation.
1 of 3) "…We need to say 'No' because this whole discussion HURTS OUR COUNTRY…"
OBAMA ALONE is to blame for any harm to OUR country. OBAMA HIMSELF STARTED "the birther movement" by ADMITTING on page 26 of his autobiography, "Dreams of My Father" that HE was BORN A BRITISH CITIZEN due to the fact that his father was a Kenyan/British subject governed by the British Immigration Act of 1948. Even his own campaign (FightTheSmears) website highlighted the above. It does not matter if he is a U.S. citizen. Natural born citizen at birth required (in 1961 and now) BOTH parents to be U.S. citizens at the time of a child's birth. One CANNOT be BOTH a U.S. NATURAL born citizen AT BIRTH and (as Obama describes himself) a dual citizen/ British citizen at birth. The two are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. There is no need for birth documents of any kind unless you are trying to prove Obama lied about his citizenship status in his own book and website.
2 of 3) "…If there was ever a question, the voters answered it in 2008…"
Since the media did not do its job before the election by REPORTING OBAMA'S WORDS, the VOTERS WERE DEPRIVED OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
The question about where he was born is silly and shouldn't be asked, the problem is whether he holds dual citizenship or not, , whether the constitution allows it,and that the wrong people are asking.
3 of 3) "…And beyond the practical, utilitarian rationale for rejecting it, there is the more important moral one. It’s dishonest and it’s wrong…"
Questioning our government is our OBLIGATION as citizens. Our country still has a Constitution. Who the hell are YOU to try and stop people from demanding we adhere to it? I think you may be surprised by how many millions of us will hold on to that document until it is pried from our cold dead hands.
It is amazes me that despite all the evidence and websites and news articles out there proving that O is eligible to be POTUS, there are so many of you that are still hanging on to that utter stupidity. Is it because he is black and you cannot believe that there is a black man in this world who is smarter than all of you and who can actually make a good President? Do you honestly think that the RNC would have not tried every avenue to disqualify him so that McCain gets the Presidency? Unless if the RNC is also conspiring against you.
Evening all. At thie risk of offending our bretherin in the birther communities I'd far rather see the incredible energy and passion being used on trying to determine Obama's birth credentials switched to getting his academic records, transcripts, student work etc. The reason I think this is more important is that a huge peice of the Obama mythos goes directly to his supposed towering intellect. The left (and the MSM) are constantly pointing to this as one of, if not the major reason why he should be President. They always talk about how he brings this laser like attention to multiple problems and uses his powerful intellect to solve them
The truth may be a little different in that he has spent over 1 million dollars in legal fees keeping these records out of the public record. Bush didn't do this, neither did Clinton or Gore or Kerry etc etc.
It would sure be interesting if the public finds that he needed Bill Ayers help to get into Princeton and then into Harvard. It would be interesting to find out he was a C average at best with a major in basket weaving courses.
This whole Birther nonsense has now been beaten into the ground…Let's leave it there.
I'd like to do an abortion on the entire Birther Movement, followed by burial in Kenya….
James…I really like you and think you are a very talented writer. But this Birther thing has everybody running off the rails…The time to have said and done all this was 2 years ago…The dude is President, sad to say…
But was his mother American?, 'cause if she was/is, then all this crap is moot…
Here is what happens to a man who refuses to verify his identification in America.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DO9M800...
Now we don't know if he's a creep or just a fed up citizen/customer who doesn't want to play by the ever expanding rules that bind the servant class.
But, then, we don't know that about Barak, either.
Occam's Razor, guys…the most likely reason that things are being hidden is because of some contradiction to Barry's "story." How about, under "Father", it says "unknown"?
The solution is obvious. Pick a small conservative state and make that state's requirement to get on the ballot for the next presidential election a copy of the individual's original, long form birth certificate. The kind kid's show up with for little league to prove their age. The kind John McCain whipped out to prove his provenance to Congress. You know, the one Obama mentioned "holding in his hand" in one of his books. The whole thing IS stupid, but the stupidity isn't from the people asking the questions they have a right to know the answers to.
Not a winnable political argument" was Andrew Breitbart's reason for not seeking answers surrounding the Obama eligibility issue. Andrew disclosed this in a mild argument over the matter with Joeseph Farah (of WND) in a hallway at the first annual Tea Party Convention in Nashville, TN.
First, let me say this was an interesting argument, and I respect both men. However, I would have to side with Joeseph Farah on this matter. As a Computer and Earth Scientist, I can tell you that Politics is in no way a science (though there is "political science"). Politics is based mostly on Human behavior and emotion driving that behavior. Human behavior is hardly based on logic. Because of this, Andrew's statement, from a scientific point of view, regarding questioning and seeking the truth about Obama's eligibility is "not a winnable argument", would be incorrect. It is incorrect, because technically, no argument in Politics is winnable, because these arguments are not based on logic.
Joeseph has it more correct in saying that seeking the truth is about asking questions. In science, this is true. Therefore, arriving at the truth is the only "winnable argument". The only way to arrive at the truth is to ask questions and answer these questions with undisputable facts that do not factor in either Human behavior or emotion. Remove both and if you have answered a question with logic, then you have a fact, and thus the argument is not only winnable, it is undisputable.
We saw what happens when Politics interjects with Science. In short, the Human behavior and emotion (greed and need for control) taints the Science with bogus made-up data to support the Human agenda, not the actual truth relative to the science, as with "ClimateGate".
When arriving at the truth, all bias or anything not based on logic must be removed. If the truth isn't what you hoped, it is still the truth, regardless.
If Human Behavior driven by emotion trumps truth for whatever agenda, then you have a recipe for disaster. It is because, in the end, only the truth can produce the correct outcome.
You'll never a solve a complex problem you don't understand. In order to solve it, you must understand how it works. If you even only understand a part of a complex problem, you will not solve it. The whole is the sum of its' parts.
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The real issue isn't "well what can we do about it now'. It's that all the laws Obama signed would then be null and void — you would have a real constitutional crisis. Who would obey the laws signed by someone who had no legal basis to sign them?
AFUCKINGMEN!
His mother was an American citizen, so by law he’s a natural-born American citizen, eligible for the Presidency. It does not matter where he was born.
Look it up:
Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, §1401
and
Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, §1408
Can we shut up about it now?
Apparently someone is trying to join the MSM "journalists" in line on their knees waiting for their chance to brew some hot fresh black tea. Hawaii ROUTINELY issued documents like Obama's ALLEGED birth certificate to Hawaiian parents for their children who WERE NOT BORN IN HAWAII. What part of that do you not understand? Or are you just like the fine "Law Enforcement" in this country who cannot bother to honor their oath of office?
No matter how long you pursue this, if you don’t come up with any evidence, you will always be seen by a vast number of people as trying to remove the president on a technicality.
It doesn’t matter if the law is on your side. Enforcement of the law requires the will of the people. And on this point, you simply are not convincing the people.
Take a poll. I guarantee you, 80% of people believe that if you have an American mother, you are a natural born American citizen no matter where you were born. Period. No amount of arguing over picayune points of law will convince the people otherwise. So the issue is moot even if you are “just asking a question.”
For that reason, this is and always will be a losing issue.
I agree that it is to Obama's political advantage to let this nonsense keep running. I do have one comment. I keep reading and hearing that Obama or the DNC or whatever have spent huge sums of money on this, but there is no evidence for that. It's in the public record that they've paid X number of dollars to a law practice, but not what those dollars paid for. The only case I know of in which someone representing Obama or the DNC (can't remember which) presented an argument in court was in October 2008 when they got a birth certificate case dismissed on the grounds that the plaintiff didn't have a legal interest in the case. They stated publicly that they went to this trouble because they didn't want any waters muddied right before the election, however without merit the case was.
Yeah, I spent a little time looking it up, and it turns out it's the loon Joseph Farah who's been claiming Obama spent $1.7 million dollars to fight the birther charges. In interviews with some of the lawyers in these cases, they claim that they have put very little time into putting together the paperwork; one guy even said he did it pro bono. Makes sense, so far all these cases have been deemed frivolous and thrown out right away or pretty quickly, so I don't see how big legal fees on the part of Obama would be possible. Obama could speak to this, but as we agree, it remains to his advantage not to.
I wouldn't mind seeing his transcripts, but I don't hold out any hope they would reveal anything devastating. And on the topic of not knowing enough about him . . . as far as biographical detail goes, I almost think the opposite. The guy has written two books about himself and talks about his life all the time. What's mysterious to me is what he really thinks, for instance about Reverend Wright or gay marriage or gun control. This guy dodges and hedges–you can almost see the political expediency wheels turning in his head. It really pisses me off.
I had to read this several times, I just could not believe this showed up at Breitbart. Stunned by your representation that Andrew Breitbart referred to another person's staff as "minions". If the statement is true: “It’s self-indulgent, it’s narcissistic, it’s a losing issue, Breitbart told one of Farah’s minions, his frustration evident", I have to thank you for letting us know, before learning this, I was a loyal Breitbart Brand, I saw him as a pioneer and a certain kind of american hero, obviously my perception was that he was different than all of the other empty suit media elites!
By the way, heads-up Kurt, you may be one of those minions?
This writing was a long diatribe in itself full of opinion and attitude and does not help at all!
Hi Lucy –
Thanks for citing my resume, but you forgot my 22 years+ as an Army infantry officer and two overseas tours during wartime. And I'm not a journalist! Thanks for playing!
Kurt
I know how to get to the bottom of this. Boycott Hawaii. If they want us to come over and spend our money, show us what they are hiding. School records, passports, just the normal things that should be common knowledge. I bet the Doctor that delivered Obama, would be proud to say he did. Ok, who was he or she? Wouldn't their family be proud to say "My dad delivered the future President of the United States? How come this is secret? If you say its not, then who was it? My Birth Certificate says who my moms doctor was, and what hospital I was born in. I love the way people posting here just skip over the facts. Like another poster said, he couldn't register his daughter for soccer with the type of document that is passing for Obama's birth certificate. Ask yourself why? Don't try to tell me Obama is not hiding something. He is a Usurper. Look it up.,
McCain is technically not eligible either. Collusion by both RNC and DNC. Go look it up: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Right on!
Might as well bury the United States constitution there while you're at it since you don't want to follow it. Go do some research: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
sorry dude, you have been misinformed. Go look it up: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/counsel-for-...
You birthers are NOT HELPING! He did provide his birth certificate. There were even birth announcements in newspapers of the time.
If you really want to help, instead of scanning the borth certificate pdf for stray pixels, please do something worthwhile such as reading the health care bill (I read about 30 pages of one of the early House versions and hoped that assisted suicide would be covered) or maybe read the budget proposal that came out last week.
And if you are not willing to do something useful, go grab the latest Alex Jones book and crawl back into your mom's cellar and leave the rest of us alone.
It may well be that most of the writings concerning the wherabouts of Obama's birth sound delusional, but, as far as I can tell, James L Lambert's arguments are far from nonsensical…
Why would Obama spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers to block something that only costs $15 to produce?
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-would-...
There are two problems with the alleged deluded "Birther" conspiracy that are overseen by most people. They are, first, that the real, original "long" birth certificate never seems to have materialized (the certificate of live birth being — and please correct me if I'm mistaken — a recent production); second, that to believe that an American citizen born to a foreign father who lived much of his childhood abroad may indeed have been born in a foreign country is not that far-fetched.
Indeed, the difference between the Truthers and the Birthers is that in the first case, we are being asked to believe that hundreds, if not thousands, of government officials were approached with a view to conspire to kill thousands of innocent civilians, that hundreds, if not thousands, of government officials agreeing (apparently without a moment of hesitation) to conspire to murder thousands of innocent civilians, and that none of these hundreds (thousands) of government officials has ever had a single, even fleeting feeling of remorse, or let the cat out of the bag, say while having too much to drink (no remorse?) during a Saturday outing to a local bar. In the second case, we do not even have a conspiracy, but basically one single man telling a lie, a lie about what offhand is a personal matter, but has turned into the only thing (allegedly) keeping him from power.
MOST DAMNING OF ALL, when you pause to think of it, the castigators' rebuttal, their proof — if it can be called that — all lies in one fact (beyond the recently released certificate of live birth): and that fact is that Obama is a man, a person whose word should never be doubted, who is capable of no lying, no evil, no chicanery. The person who ridicules the "Birther" theory as inane has no more proof than the born-in-Hawaii skeptic of where Obama was actually born: his only argument — beyond the fact that the certificate of live birth and the newspaper clipping are incontrovertible proof that are not, can not be, fakes, bureaucratic mistakes, or misinterpretations — is the indisputable "truth" that Obama is someone whose honesty should not — should never — be questioned.
When you think about it, it might be less worrying that some do not believe Obama was born in the United States (because of the circumstances linked to his entire childhood, much of it abroad) than that some are utterly convinced he must be born in the United States (because the Chicago pol is allegedly a sainted figure who can do, who can say no evil, who is incapable of lying or falsifying documents). Again, remember the desires of some of his followers who want(ed) the constitution to be changed, only so Obama could win one election after another and end up, in one way or another and in the best of all possible outcomes, as (de facto if not de jure) president-for-life?
More here:
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2010/02/dissecting...
The birth certificate/certificate of live birth is nothing more than a smokescreen to keep the issue alive. Obama knows it works to his favor.
Obama is hiding a lot about his past. One of which is probably dual citizenship, Recorded on the original birth certificate in such a way as to look worse than it actually is. He probably used his dual citizenship to his advantage to travel the world or obtain scholarships. Revealed before the election this information would have sunk him for a number of reasons. But, once elected, it is not enough to remove him. The certificate of live birth establishes he was born in The US and his mother was American, ergo he is a natural born US citizen.
Dual citizens usually have to renounce their extra citizenship to serve their country of choice. As Obama now has his own personal 747 for at least the next 3 years and a set retirement with Secret Service protection, I doubt Indonesia, or Kenya, or even Great Britain are going to offer him anything better. If I was Obama, my first night in the White house, I would have thrown any rouge passports or documents in the fireplace and roasted marsh-mellows.
It is time for the birth certificate people to give it a rest, they are only helping Obama by keeping the issue alive. We got played, get over it. Obsessing on this subject will just get him re-elected.
Uh, that would be ROGUE passports, not rouge. Preview would be my friend if I let it.
Yes, yes, and yes to this article. I couldn't agree more.
Obama was born in Hawaii. It has been proven time and time again. The birth certificate has been provided, the same sort of birth certificate document that would be provided for anyone else born in Hawaii the same year. There was also a birth announcement in a local paper.
Obama is a native-born citizen by the same rules that the U.S. has always used. Birthers are an embarrassment and need to be expelled from this movement.
Birthers are in a position of calling the State of Hawaii a liar. Who you gonna believe about whether someone was born in Hawaii, some guy who's "just asking questions" or the STATE OF HAWAII?
Just a little of what I scanned from comments:
…he also went to college on a scholarship only available to foreign students.
…he went to school in indonesia as a child on a british passport.
…used that same passport to go to pakistan in the 80's.
Being a Brithish subject disqualifies him.
What they posted was a document that had obviously been photo-shopped.
Obama used as many as 39 different social security numbers, none issued in Hawaii.
Rewards have been outstanding for months now of $50,000 to anyone who can prove Obama IS a natural born citizen.
OBAMA spent over 1.6 million dollars NOT to show America his REAL birth certificate.
It wouldn't matter if he DID show his original BC, the birthers would call it a fake. That's the beauty of conspiracy theories.
Wake up idiots! The reason Obama hasn't released his birth certificate is evidenced by some of the comments in this section. Glenn Beck is right about this. Obama is deliberately stirring this up, to keep some obsessed morons fixed on this issue, ignoring everything else.
Let's take this to it's most illogical conclusion. What IF you are all right and Obama is was born in Kenya or the moon. WHAT OF IT! Do you honestly think Obama would ever admit it? The Democrats would ever admit it? The party that told us oral sex isn't sex with a straight face is going to become honest and say "Gosh, you're right. He's not an American Citizen, he has to leave office!"
Not going to happen people. The time for stopping Obama on that rationale is OVER, and it ended the day he took the oath of office. He's the president, whether you like it or not.
So, given he is the president and no power on earth is going to get him out of there short of another election, what should we be doing? Bickering over stupid stuff like this (which is what Obama wants and exactly WHY he won't release his birth certificate) or on real issues like stopping his radical agenda?
Can't you see you are being played by Obama focusing on this stupid birther issue? That's exactly what he wants. It disinfranchises you from the real debate and just makes you look like kooks, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY OBAMA IS LETTING THIS CONTROVERSY CONTINUE. He wants people to think conservatives are a bunch of conspiracy theory, birther, kooks.
Do you get it? It divides conservatives and it wastes our time on an useless topic, that will not EVER get you what you want. So, would you wake the hell up to reality and focus on real issues. He's the president whether you like it or not, and the we need to focus on HIS AGENDA, not his eligibility.
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I doubt this is going to deter the birthers one bit. They are too emotionally invested in the topic, (like the truthers) and they have their ego too invested in this to admit they are being played. They want to believe "they know the truth" and everyone else is deluded.
But it doesn't matter if every single birther is dead right, because that isn't the point. The point is, there isn't anyone in Washington or the courts willing to remove Obama. They know there would be blood in the streets if it happened, and they don't have the political courage.
So, wake up, grow up, and starting joing the REAL FIGHT. That fight is againt Obama's agenda. Stop being played by Obama and being disinfranchised
I just posted this at FaceBook with the disclaimer that Andrew Breitbart has lost a great deal of my respect and that Mr. Schlichter appears to be an ass.
What an arrogant piece of writing!
Mr. Schlichter condemns millions of people for legitimate concerns that have been expressed since way before the election of "his" president without offering one single shred of evidence to the contrary of our beliefs. He blows it off as some kind of whacked out conspiracy theory which has no basis in fact without offering any facts to prove otherwise.
Sorry, Mr. Schlichter, the fact that millions of Kool-Aid drinking sheep elected the man does not make him eligible, nor does it make our quest for proof of his eligibility stupid, idiotic, or moronic. Gee, you should get a job writing for Huffrpo, because you have just managed to prove yourself to be as arrogantly clueless as any leftist on the planet. You'd fit right in.
Not journalism? Within the next several days, the overwhelming circumstantial evidence is about to hit the fan, supporting citizens’ charges to state A’sG, that members of the D Corporation committed election fraud in 2008 to get the name of Barack Obama printed on the ballot, in those states that only allow the names of eligible candidates to use state ballots. (See complaints at http://jbjd.wordpress.com, in sidebar.) This election fraud consists of Certifying to state election officials in those applicable states, he was Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS, BEFORE ascertaining he was eligible for the job. How do we know this likely happened? Because no one who submitted these Certifications to state election officials – Nancy Pelosi, Alice Germond, or Boyd Richie – will tell us, on what documentary basis s/he determined his eligibility. While in every other state identified, no law gives citizens the right to obtain documents being held by the political party, that’s not the case in Texas. And that’s where the fraud is going to explode; because using that state’s strong open records law, we have now filed a request for those documents with Boyd Richie, TX D party Chair. And, in this case, saying ‘I don’t have to show you’ is a lie; and saying nothing, by law, is as good as admitting, there are such public records (even though, in reality, no such records exist). At that point, the law allows the court to compel such disclosure. http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/remember-the... (I will update this post on my blog as events develop.)
I have my ORIGINAL birth certificate. My state has only a copy on file. Maybe the rules have changed, but that's how it was done.
Dear Kurt,
As Editor of The Post & Email, an electronic newspaper devoted to covering the Eligibility Movement, I find your rant guilty of the same crimes you hastily spew upon those who hold intellectual points of view heretical to your own politics.
Come by and read the evidence, rational, and significance in asking the question, "Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen, and thus eligible to hold the office of US President, in accord with Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, of the US Constitution?"
An analogy is how the GOP handled the permanent Roosevelt Presidency from 1932-1944. They did not to prove illegitimacy and remove Roosevelt through some means other than election. Then in 1946 (i think) they changed the constitution and prevented anyone from being President more than two terms.
Where the problem lies is that there is no test candidates for President must past in order to run and be elected. Their claim is sufficient. What Judge would create a precedent that the judiciary can remove a sitting President?
What is needed again (like in 1946) is a change to the Constitution to require that any candidate for any Federal office must certify to let's say, the Supreme Court that they meet all the required tests for running for their office and provide evidence to the same at the time they declare candidacy or file petitions…well before the election.
And at the same time, we can amend the Constitution to create term limits for Congress AND require residency in the State or District to which the candidate intends to run at least one year prior to running for office and residency should imply more than having a post office box!
They were all over it. That's how many first found out about this issue.
The merit of an argument should be based on its truth, not its perceived truth. The birthers are either right or wrong. If they are right, it is the biggest news story of our time…and a condemnation to the folks with the power to blow it open. But I see we begin here with the premise that they are wrong. If they are wrong, it is not a story…stop writing about it.
True enough McCain was called out for where he was born, and he presented his BC, long form. I'm not sure if it was a copy or the original.
Obama is hiding something. I think he was born in America but I still question his citizenship standing, but if it was something damning we know that Hillary would have found it and pounced on it. So what are we left with? 3 years of a socialist and perhaps impeachment once the Republicans take over.
Hopefully we'll have more of a mechanism in place for this scenario in the future.
Moving on.
[...] up to my post on how the fringe right is trying to co-opt the Tea Party movement I want to applaud this piece on Birther nonsense: The “we’re just asking questions” rationale seems to be the explanation du jour for the [...]
Birther deniers, have no argument. Except it is ridiculous. Is that all you have. In your article you bring up obamas COLB as proof. WHAT A JOKE! His(obama) sister also has an COLB from Hawaii! Guess what! SHE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!! Or any other type of citizen of this country! She was not born in this country! And anyone that degrades someone for expecting our elected Representatives to do what they Swore to do, Uphold the Constitution, simply fears the TRUTH! And Brietbarts statement to Farah that no one has ever expected this in the past is one of the craziest defenses of his crazy statements ever! Funny, Brietbart wasn't whining when the Dem controlled Congress thought it necessary to Investigate Mr. McCains eligibility!!!!!!
I disagree. It is a Constitutional requirement to be the President. The Tea Party (in my mind) is about getting back to ALL our Constitutional rights and processes. The fact that over a million dollars has been spent to hide Hussein B.O.'s past is an issue-just one of many. Maybe the lack of it can be used to impeach him.
Also, Farah has a right to tackle one of the many issues plaguing this nation without being attacked by other conservatives. You don't have to agree with him or any other Tea Party supporter on all issues. You and Breitbart don't decide who is or isn't valuable to the Tea Party. So, for the good of "we the people" participating in the Tea Party movement-stop attacking our own. It is you who are doing the work of the liberals. Stop it.
You are just flat out wrong. No matter who wins the election, he/she must be eligible for the position. The Constitution is not a suggestion. The Vattel's Law of Nations definition of Natural Born Citizen (Born in the US to 2 Citizen Parents) is repeated in no less than 5 SCOTUS cases (The Venus 1814, Dred Scott 1854, Minor v. Happersett 1873, Wong Kim Ark 1898, and Perkins v. Elg 1929). NOT ONE SCOTUS case defines NBC as anything less. In The Venus, the venerable judge Story repeats Vattel verbatum. Who are you kidding? Breitbart, by allowing this drivel on his network has ceded his Objectivity. Has he been told or threatened to shut up, like Beck, Rush, and all the rest of the so- called conservative commentattors, who supposedly support the USC? It doesn't matter if Obama was born in the White House. He is not eligible as a Natural Born Citizen because his father was never a Citizen, and he, a Constitutional Scholar certainly knows this.
Kurt, you are wrong. This issue is a legitimate one. You should learn more about this issue before making your claims.
I have to say… up until now I looked forward to my daily read of the Breitbart pages. You make an excellent point Henrick. Why would any conservative want to see the constitution side-stepped?
You're the Bozo. The whole birther movement is insane. There is plenty of evidence for where he was born. Trust me, if this were a real issue, Hillary would have used it during the primary. And his certificate of live birth is the official document in Hawaii used for verification purposes. While I've heard there is a "long" form and the "short" form, the document that BO released is a legal "birth certificate".
Let's put an end to all this birther stuff, and just agree that Soros just pulled him out of his ass. We're stuck with him 'til 2012, but we can stop some of this in November, at the polls.
Naturalization Laws of the US do not and cannot describe Natural Born Citizens. "Natural Born" appears nowhere in that Title 8.
I don't think Mr. Schlichter understands. It is entirely possible that Mr. Obama is not eligible to be president. Schlichter insults our intelligence when he tries to compare this to the Florida vote count in 2000.
Kurt, Andrew, Glenn, I hate to say it, but you are just wrong for attacking the birthers like this.
It is really about whether we just allow Democrats to NOT supply ALL necessary documentation to conduct elections and legislation.
The birther movement started with the refusaland negligence to provide ALL required documents to run for president in many of these states.
The rabid Democrats will always try to circumvent election laws, by omitting documents, and falsifying voter registration.
The birthers stand for simple rule of LAW.
To any sane person, the evidence he has provided proves he was born in Hawaii. Explain the birth announcements, explain the certificate of live birth, which for all practical purposes is the same as a birth certificate. The only logical explanation is he was born in Hawaii.
I think you all need to go back and study History and the Consitution. You people came to America and have children and think you know our history and Consitution. Well you better go back where you came from cause we will not stop on the issue. We can't because we love our Country and the truth will prevail. Just a matter of time. Obama is getting scared thats why you Libs. keep bashing it.
The evidence for Bush's background is as solid as the evidence for BO's birthplace.
Well said!
Basiccally the BIRTHERs are pissing in the wind, and here is why. The 2008 presidential campaign was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Neither candidate met the ART2,Sec1 NATURAL BORN CITIZEN (NBC) POTUS REQUIREMENT. NBC defined as BORN on USA soil, by TWO US CITIZEN PARENTs. McCAIN born in PANAMA CZ, and OBAMA’s father never a US citizen. while both men are clearly US citizens,they do not meet the higher constitutional standard of NBC. There was aBipartisan “DEAL” made in passing SENATE RESOLUTION 511, allowing McCAIN to run, if OBAMA’s eligibility was not scrutinized. THE WHOLE SENATE,HOUSE and previous ADMINISTRATION is involved. It is too late to do any thing now. If the CONSTITUTION was to be upheld in this matter, most of the government would be guilty of fraud. The VOTING PUBLIC is also responsible by being CONSTITUTIONALLY ignorant. STUDY the CONSTITUTION, do not vote emotionally!
WYATT
THIS WHOLE THING STINKS, This is why "We the people" need transparency and it should be constitutionally guaranteed. I want the party responsible approving his paperwork fired. His papers were not in order. Now the whole thing is shrouded in secrecy. Much of the presidents past is mysterious including his college transcripts, etc. How exactly his paperwork was approved is suspicious and what happened should be investigated. However, he is there in this position and we can not change that. This type of rubberstamping is dangerous, and as a citizen, we can't figure out how the process went for his approval, but it threatens to undermine the Country's cohesion. But the point that his birth certificat is not legitimate is actually reality based.
This irrational firecraker by squibbish journalist (?) Kurt Schlichter is controlled opposition at its best.
Or at its worst, I should say.
Do not confuse or compare the McCain birth certificate issue with President Obama's issue. Two totally different situations and the rules correctly state that if born to servicemember while serving in foreign country, you are a citizen. People please quit making that comparison, it is ignorant.
What happened to real journalism?? The instant Obama posted a redacted jpg of a COLB lacking the required seal and signature, where were the responsible journalists and why weren't they asking the obvious questions?? When the state of Hawaii refused on multiplle occasions to say that the jpg was authentic, where were the responsible journalists and why weren't they asking the obvious questions?? When Obama pledged and demanded transparency from others, where were the responsible journalists demanding the same from Obama himself?? We now have evidence that Obama's COLB has been forged or tampered with and that he wasn't born in the hospital as he claims and that the state of Hawaii is violating its own disclosure and sunshine laws in hiding Obama's birth records. Where are the responsible journalists and why aren't they asking the obvious questions??
The only remaining question that appears to have any weight at all, relating to his citizenship is how Obama traveled to Pakistan in his youth, where it is supposed that he claimed Indonesian citizenship in order to get an Indonesian passport, which he had to have obtained in order to be able to get into Pakistan.
Whether there is anything to that question remains to be seen, but it is certainly irrational to conflate "Passporterism" with "Birtherism" simply because they deal with two entirely separate points of contention. That they would both lead to the same object, of disqualifying Barack H. Obama from office, must be treated as coincidence even though many of the same people are behind both questions.
The alternative assumption is that the Birthers have, by virtue of their inane pursuit of Barry's birth certificate long after reasonable people should have put the issue to rest, turned everything else they touch into a credibility vacuum. This is not at all implausible, but nevertheless it shows a certain amount of intellectual laziness.
If I were inclined to indulge in conspiracy theory, I would suggest that if Obama's inner circle knew that there could be a problem about a certain passport, it would be in their interest to use a red herring, like the birth certificate question, to exhaust the credibility of anyone inclined to investigate the circumstances of the passport.
Food for cautious thought about pseudo-conservative (neo-con) news site: “Beware of Jews bearing gifts.”
Normally I'm 100% in agreement on Breitbart; but here they have committed the logical error of allowing a significant question of dissent be framed as "ridiculous" or "settled" by one's opponent, submitting to the unrelenting assertion by the other side that one's question and position is settled and ridiculous.
If the so-called Anthropogenic Global Warming "deniers" had succumbed to the exact same pressure, where would we be now? When you allow your opponent to ridicule you into acquiescence over any issue of dissent and attack people in your own ranks, you're doing their work.
Stop attacking the birthers. Stop trying to guilt them into acquiescence. Thank god that people (think climate change) are willing to be ridiculed and attacked in order to pose their question and demand proof from a mainstream that asserts that an issue is "settled".
My Friends, No One I repeat No One would more like to believe that Obama is not a US Citizen than me however.
HE IS A US CITIZEN, GET OVER IT AND STOP MAKING US LOOK LIKE IDIOT LOSERs OR SHOULD I SAY LIKE DEMOCRATS.
Every single mainstream media source declared the Lewinsky scandal was a right-wing hoax …until the blue dress turned up.
Wyattearp, I agree with you 100%, just try not to emphasize points with caps, we get it without them. It makes cumbersome reading.
A few non-partisan questions…
Isn't the whole argument of "Natural Born Citizen" predicated on the assumption that a person who is foreign born or born of foreign parents is inherently predisposed to allegiances for those foreign interests that would conflict with the interests of the country he or she holds citizenship? Doesn't it also suggest that a person who is natural born is somehow less likely to be influenced by those same foreign interests, and isn't that an assumption that is based on the geographical location of his or her birth?
Aren't both of these arguments completely baseless in fact, and if so, wouldn't that make the Natural Born Citizen clause really just unjustifiable legal archana?
kurt, you are a pussy. the fact that Nobama is spending so much to hide all information is what fuels the debate. NO ONE knows anything about this marxist moron with regard to his past. follow the money trail and it will involve many including pelosi, reid, frank, suros, etc. he is a puppet being manipulated by big money with the goal of deleting everything this country stands for. let the trial begin and when if proven guilty of being of foreign birth have him arrested and taken to a federal prison, his family removed form the white house and an investigation/audit of all those in office and their contributors.
You hit the nail right on the head. As much as I don't like having Obama as president, McCain, while probably better for the country would be destroying the Republican party right now if he were president.
The best way to convince the country that the liberal Democrats cannot govern, is to let them make a mess of things all on their own.
As for the birthers, I agree with the author.
I don't understand why the RIGHT continues to beat-up on the RIGHT on this issue. Why do you deride people as "birthers?" Do you believe the Constitution is of any significance anymore? I do. The Constitutional requirement to be president is to be a NATURAL-BORN citizen. Obama continues to flout the law in this regard and its wrong. So there, if you want to call me a birther because I respect the Law of the Land, then go ahead — be my guest. But you are the lawless one.
This is an issue that I don't really follow but the way you covered it was a turnoff. Your article offered little besides name calling and ridicule which only reduced your credibility.
If I want obnoxious, mean-spirited snarkiness I'll go tune into Olbermann.
What is disheartening is this. To get a security clearance, the lowest ranking enlisted people have to submit to a security check by the DIA. This includes proving their birthplace, every job they have ever had, every place they have ever lived, every facet of their entire life. Then, the DIA sends investigators out to check every piece of this info and actually interview neighbors, coworkers, employers to prove this person is who he says he is and can be trusted with sensitive information. Yet, the person with his finger on the nuclear trigger has no requirement to do anything even close to this.
Oh, and the birth annoucements? There has been no actual copy of the birth annoucements, other than PhotoShop generated. Also, you can call in from anywhere and have hometown Newspaper post it. The rules for foreign-borns in HI were diffferent from all other states .. even a former Emperor of China (born in China), got a HI "Certification of Live Birth". I'm sure the race was right on that one though, and not "African" (which is not a race) on Obama's PS version.
Have you ever seen what Photoshop can do? Check this out ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9K2Q3EbVQ&fe...
All we need is ONE patriotic journalist that isnt concerned about politial correctness but more about TRUTH. Investigate and put the sunshine on this whole Obama history.
its really pathetic that with all the proof that the birthers have submited you still use insults intead of facts to boast your in abilty to prove birthers wrong? the smoking gun that he didn't get to hide before someone found his name change and school records in jakakata,Indoniesa,and the fact that he traveled to Pakistan when NO American could travel to,but a Indoniesan/Muslim could have trained with Osma bin Laden himself, because he refuses to reveal where and who he stayed with. You would need to know about Obam/Soetoro and you rather use it to insult Americans who are trying to do what you and others should have done before he was put on the ballot or when he was hiding his name "hussien"Its a shame that people of this country would deny other Americans the the right to ask an employee to prove he is ellegalible to hold this office.when the birthers have raised so many questions to ask this usuper to prove he is a real "Natural Borned Citizen" which if he was he would have already shown it to us .Like the one that his half sister got a C.O.L.B from hawaii when she was actually borned in Jakata,Indoniesa?
If this president is breathing, he's lying. So all he has to do to end this debate is to show us the documents. Period.
First : The birth announcements don't state where the unnamed son was born ….
Second : It is a " Certification " Of Live Birth which is definately not a birth certificate nor a "Certificate" Of Live Birth and it was posted on a website by the Barry Campaign ( and allegedly Oopscheck took pictures with a date stamp prior to the date they claimed they did according to the exif data embedded in the pictures data. ) and not presented to a judge in a court room where the alleged document could be authenticated and the information on it validated …
Simply the "evidence" presented is unauthenticated and that along with the shill statements issued to back them up are inconsistent ….
Anyone that hitches their wagon to such shoddy information is simply being way too trusting considering what office is involved and the powers that office has to play with !
If the author can't even get those simple details correct …
How can he be expected to know anything about the rest of the issue and write a fairly balanced
article about both sides of the issue ?
Everything you claim to uphold and support is embodied in the Constitution and it is the Constitution
that requires you to be a native of this nation for over 200 years.
Barry / Barrac is an illegal alien, now you prove me wrong.
Norman
Well, gee, I hope it's not journalism. It's just the Constitution (and that seems to be made even more insignificant now). Thanks, for nothin'!
I mean this article doesn't even pass for journalism, in my opinion. I believe it addresses only one issue: a birth certificate. There's far more questions about Obama's citizenship, including attending school in Indonesia, and a report that he travelled to Pakistan on possibly an Indonesian passport.
But that's not news, not journalism. Screw the constitution, and bend over and take the illegitimately elected Marxist like a man, America…
Upholding the constitution doesn't appear to be important to his type …
Just political power !
Of course simple birth on soil does not a natural born citizen make !
Agreed that popularity is not listed anywhere in the eligibility clause as a defining criteria …….
The stated requirements are : 35 years old, 14 years residence , and natural born citizen (Which requires both parents be citizens at the time of birth and birth on soil ! ) !
JFK bugged oposition offices too …
But Nixon is the biggest scoundrel in American political history because his guys got caught ?
Agreed !
A non issue and a distraction, right up there with the 9/11 truthers.
"The certificate of live birth establishes he was born in the US and his mother was American, ergo he is a natural born US citizen".
Well, not really. Obama's half-sister has the same "Certificate of Live Birth", issued by the State of Hawaii, and freely admits that she was born in Indonesia.
Barry allegedly aquired the Certification Of Live Birth in June 2007 according to the date stamp ink bleed through …
So the typewritten thing with the 2007 version is a non-issue !
However he allegedly found his BC whilst rummaging through boxes when he was much younger according to his book Dreams From My Father ……..
Thus the question surrounding his new Certification should be …
Why get a NEW copy of a Certification Of Live Birth in June of 2007 when he allegedly has an older copy he claims he found a copy of his original when he was younger ????????????
All of this is smoke and mirrors IMHO …
At best he is a DUAL citizen (Not a naturalized citizen as per the poorly researched article above ! ) …
Both British and American ….
Thus there are the divided loyaltiesproblems even IF he is an American citizen !
When a cop pulls you over and ask to see your driver's license, its NOT OK to show him your library card. Persons seeking the office of POTUS are required to prove they are a Natural Born Citizen, that's what the Constitution says. Anything less than the original long form birth certificate in NOT acceptable and the public has every right to be outraged over it.
As for you Mr. Kurt Schlichter, you act smug in order to hide your cowardice. You call names in order to deflect your own lack of journalistic fortitude. Its people like you that are the real threat to conservatives because you are a pretend-conservative using this issue to drive a wedge between real conservatives. You are another Alllahpundit from HotAir, just another condescending pseudo-conservative. Just go away please.
Sure, he's a US citizen. But why spend $1.7 million to block it? Either there isn't one, or its a calculated scheme. The canidate who ran on post-partisianship prefers public division over a simple disclosure? That tells alot about the pathology of those sitting in our White House. Turn the tables on them. Shift the focus to why the administration of "transparency"', who can't even release such basic documents as a BC or school transcripts, should be trusted with negotiating anything on behalf of the country?
Alinsky's rules for radicals are at work concerning this issue ……..
The labels of racist, lunatics, etc. are meant to drive the issue underground by making it too radioactive to discuss !
Do a search for McCain's courtroom drama concerning his eligibility ……..
Anyone discussing his eligibility was not lambasted with anywhere near the ferocity ……
Just a little FYI !
BTW- McCain is not eligible either ……..
Military bases are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and if you search it out
at the State Dept. website it's spelled out in plain sight what I just stated , but we had
legal scholars debating his eligibility as if there were suitable vaugueness in the legal
reasoning to give him the benefit of the doubt and of course there is SR511 a non-binding
resolution that Barry, Hillary , etc. that lists the ideas of the need for birth on soil and both
parents needing to be citizens as THE definition for natural born citizenship !
This illustrates that at least some to most of our senators know that Barry is not eligible because
he doesn't fit the criteria of a feel good bill that contained the defining criteria that they all voted
on ……
Why they decided to unaminoulsly and bi-partisanly support that bill and undermine the constitution is bewildering to me !
The birth announcement doesn't mention where the unnamed son was born …. So the birth annoucements are essentially worthless as evidence since the Certification is only a vapor on a website .
Explain why IF Barry has the proof in hand … Why he doesn't use it to prove what he claims ?
It's a Certification Of Live Birth which even the State of Hawaii wouldn't accept as proof for their land grant program … If you brought in a Certification they would just order a BC or Certificate to verify the eligibility !
If Hawaii won't accept a Certification for their land grant program when they have a physical copy in hand …
Why should the American people blindly accept an alleged version posted on a website ?
There is nothing logical about blindly trusting a known liar !
All I want to know is, Obama a native born citizen? We must have rule of law or else we will descend into the rule of mobocracy.
By the way, I consider being called a 'birther' derogoratory and quite possibly defamatory.
The issue isn't whether he is a US citizen or not …
He very well may be a US citizen ????
It's whether he is a natural born citizen ….
Being natural born citizen requires BOTH parents are US citizens at the time of birth and then also be born on US soil subject to the jurisdiction …….
Barry fails that test because his father , Barack Sr. was a Kenyan / British citizen …
So that makes Barry Jr. a Kenyan / British maybe American dual citizen with divided loaylties and allegience that negates any claim he would have to being a natural born citizen even IF he were born in Hawaii !
And Breitbart, and Drudge, and Rush, and Michael, and Mark, and Shawn, and Bill, and Glen, and…and…and…the list goes on and on and on. They have all been made aware of the excellent professional journalism being performed by you and The Post & Email. I will be interested to see if any of the "valiant" right at least make the effort to investigate, however, I won't hold my breath. Until I read this yesterday, I though Andrew Breitbart could be counted on to uphold the expected professional journalistic ethics.
Why make a statement like "it wouldn't matter if he DID show his original BC, the birthers would call it a fake", when in fact, said birthers have not ever been given the opportunity to either prove your statement right or prove you wrong. The door was shut with NO proof, that is the point. So your observation amounts to useless babble.
US citizenship is either aquired "at birth" or afterwards through naturalization …
"At birth" citizenship is aquired through jus soli and/or jus sanguinis ……
Barry's father passed British/Kenyan to him through jus sanguinis which is a universally recognized ancient law
of birthright ….
The parent's citizenship is passed to their children through descent " at birth " ….
The 14th ammendment which Barry's apologists point to as the way he is eligible also follows the pattern
of universally accepted law of jus soli which requires birth on a nation's soil to pass on citizenship "at birth"…
Neither concept trumps the other …
Meaning that just because Barry might have been born a US citizen by being born on US soil …
That doesn't mean he didn't aquire his father's foreign citizenships and foreign allegiences "at birth" !
But, you are refering to a person's up upbringing and its reflection on their allegiance. That has nothing to do with the geographical location of a person's birth.
How does where your mother gave birth to you effect your patriotism or allegiance toward the country you hold citizenship in? How does that geographical location have so much effect on a person's capacity to serve their country faithfully? How does birth within a certain geographical location gaurantee allegiance?
If it doesn't, then it is a poor qualifier, which sounds like it may have come from men who were starting a new country with many new people arriving from countries they were once at war with.
This argument about the President's B.C. has boiled down to such legal arguments as deferment of British citizenship status by a foreign father, and arcane laws regarding Hawaii becoming a state at or near the time of his birth. These are the arguments and they really seem more like technicallities based on an assumption that the geographical location of a persons birth has some bearing on that person's allegiance or patriotism.
There is no legal basis for NATIVE-born citizen under the U.S. Constitution involving POTUS. Having been born in Hawaii in the same year that Obama purports, I can represent to you that your statements are woefully in accurate. I encourage you to take 5 minutes to increase your knowledge about this subject. The Post & Email have done an excellent job in compilation of the facts.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-i...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/16/citizens-h...
Military bases in foreign lands are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US and so McCain received statuatory US citizenship "at birth" through his parent's US citizenship ….
McCain is not eligible even though he is a statuatory US citizen !
The requirement is natural born citizenship and not statuatory citizenship !
Why should it matter ?
Upholding the constitution ought to be something that matters to ALL Americans regardless
of political leanings !
Your logic falls short of logic. I strongly suggest that you consider an open mind and about 10 minutes of added research. The Post & Email have performed the work, all you have to do is open your mind, and read:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-i...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/16/citizens-h...
First you prove you are ignorant and irrational. (According to a 1933 treaty, dual citizenship is recognized only if both countries have an agreement.) Then, as an excuse you say you are a liberal. It's OK to be ignorant; It's wrong to stay that way.
Your logic falls short of fact or logic. I strongly suggest that you take 10 minutes, gather a non-biased open mind, and read. The Post & Email have performed the work, you need only invest 10 minutes of your brain-time.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-i...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/16/citizens-h...
So why is upholding the consitutional requirements for POTUS "destructive" ?
Have we strayed so far from what the founders intended when what they inserted for
eligibility requirements becomes a non-issue for most people ?
Destroying the economy is an important issue too , but to think that upholding the rule of law
is unimportant to the continuation of a republic is extremely short sighted !
Ah thanks. I didn't pay attention to as many non msm stories a year or so ago. Are they still covering it though and trying to get the information?
Actually Barry keeps wanting this issue to be swept under the rug …
His comments were meant to make disagreeing with his policies fair game
but the other two , which included his eligibility , off limits …
As if he gets to decide what issues his opposition gets to argue with him about ?
If he wants to deflect the opposition away from it ….
It's a very big issue that he knows he doesn't want addressed !
I have been involved in the polls specifically involving this subject, I have analyzed the outcomes, and the majority continuously fall in the "want the records released" category. Interestingly, these are the same that fall in the "7 out of 10 are angry at the government" category. Polls indicate, the elites are falling on the wrong side of this issue. They will regret it.
Three terms have been thrown about that are not equivalent:
1. "natural born citizen" – a person born on US territory to two parents who are both citizens of the US. The senate resolution on McCain has no legal authority to make him a NBC. While I think he is, the courts need to rule on this.
2. "native born citizen" – a person born on US territory whose parents may or may not be citizens.
3. "citizen" – a person who may or may not be born on US territory who aquires citizenship through their parents or by naturalization.
If Obama's claimed birth narative is true he may be a citizen and a native born citizen, but he is not a natural born citizen.
Either the Constitution means something or it doesn't. If you don't care about this issue, then why care about what the first amendment says, or the second for that matter. Be consistent.
Well I don't wish any harm to Farah or the CIA, but is that the attitude they have to other people? I don't think so. They just want to use and manipulate people to serve whatever agenda they are pushing.
What the Left does is irrelevant. They always find something to get their panties twisted over. If it's not this it will be Sarah's hand notes. Did his mother revoke his citizenship when they moved to Indonesia ? There is some evidence for that. Whether or not it is helpful to pursue it now is debatable. But to compare this to the 9/11 truthers is not accurate.
Kurt Schlichter is dead-wrong, but he's got the talking points down pat. He even throws in the juvenile, leftwing-sounding, ad hominem name-calling.
So, damn the Constitution. Who cares what it says about the requirements to be president? Well, we do, Kurt, and we're not going to stop caring what the Constitution says just because you want to hurl garbage insults our way. You're so easily convinced by a COMPUTER-generated online image of a document that can be obtained for babies born outside of Hawaii, plus a couple of newspaper announcements? It doesn't take much for you, does it? Think the DMV would accept a newspaper ad for your ID and be willing to give you a driver's license?
Where are ALL of Obama's other records, as well? Don't care? That's okay, we do, and we'll keep asking.
Without bringing up all the obvious reasons why Obama has NOT proved his eligibility, I would point out that if Obama truly is an illegally sitting American president, then all the evil executive orders and the Obama-signed legislation Congress has passed since January 20th, 2009 is invalid.
There have more in common that it appears on the face. Both are conspiracy theories that the other political side holds up for ridicule.
Its actually a pretty good move on the dems side. There were many issues they could have chosen to use as a club, but this one is especially good.
The main difference I see is there were more lefties signing up for truthers.
What fact was taken out of context?
Wrong? The guy is a bonehead. I'm sorry but wrong doesn't come close to what he is. Why has Obama spent almost 2 million dollars defending this in court when he could just show his birth cert? Does this man have that much money to blow? Why did he sign a Pres Order to have all his past files sealed from everyone?
Of course you can list exceptions. But how would one qualify that into a law? So, we start with the idea PROBABILITY. I know, it involves mathematical statistics, and most people can't handle the concept. The idea is that those with a higher level of cultural emersion will have a higher statistical PROBABILITY of understanding the culture that they will be leading. Not a guarantee, a probability. And at least it keeps a foreign power from placing an alien in the White House. The rest is supposed to be up to the voters, or by proxy, the press. Unfortunetly, no on wanted to ask serious questions. I know very well no one can prove a negative. Lack of proof does not constitute lack of citizenship. Which is why focusing on the certificate itself is a dead end.
I think its more telling that Obama would spend $1.7 million to NOT present it. The fact that they won't tells you a great deal about the man who claimed the mantle "era of transparency". That's the question you should be considering. And where the focus of attack should be.
"We need to say “No” because this whole discussion hurts our country. The incredible damage to the legitimacy of our system by the irresponsibility of the MSM and enablers like Al Gore in the aftermath of the 2000 election is a disgrace they will never live down."
They don't seem to feel in the least bit "disgraced" by their actions. In politics, as in war, what counts is winning.
I see nothing wrong, much less "whacky" or "extremist", about expecting a candidate for office to prove his eligibility for that office.
Your supposition does not take into consideration the low key legal suits initiated by a Democrat three years ago. The issue has been taken up more and more by conservatives who like to rely on facts instead of imagination or someone else’s eloquence. It gathers more attention by the refusal by Democrat Secretaries of State and various Democrat judges and the DNC to certify or reject lawsuits. It received more impetuous when it became clear Barry was spending millions to refrain from releasing his Certificate of Live Birth or any, possibly compromising, legal records.
The stupidity of the liberals and other "useful idiots" can NEVER be overestimated. If you ever thought they had reached the limit of their idiocy, a comment like this comes around and the gullible ignoramuses NEVER fail to disappoint. There is a strong urge to give up trying to educate them with facts or encourage them to get off their lazy butts and do some research before winging some ridiculous comment that should embarrass them. embarrass any
Unbelievable! This is IMPORTANT. Obama is hiding something. I don't trust anything he says for a second. A real leader would come clean. You folks that think it's a non-issue, or not important are nuts. God save this country from you and your pussified thinking. Where's the birth certificate?
Are there no journalists left?
The MSM would accept King George III as a natural born citizen with no questions asked.
"bigjournalism.com" might as well rename itself. Let's see, how about:
big_MSM_journalism.com
bigWeFollowTheMaster.com
bigWeDoNotUnderstand.com
bigWhoCaresAboutTheConstitution.com
If there were all this evidence that you claim, then why do you not provide a link? Also why does Obama not cite it in reply to all the lawsuits? The answers are obvious. There is no evidence. If you got off your lazy butt and stopped winging it, you would know this, If there was enough room between your ears to hold the knowledge, that is.
Quote: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Notice that last part of the First Amendment? The right to petition the govt for a redress of grievances. Right or wrong, we the people have the right to ask the question. The birth certificate issue is a legitimate grievance.
There are those in Great Britain who believe he's a British citizen confered upon birth, via the British Nationality Act.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/24/british-la...
Birtherism is a form of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. They just can't stop obsessing about a paper birth certificate. All they have to look at is the fact that Obama's birth was announced in the Hawaiian newspapers at the time. Case closed. All else is just insanity disguised as curiosity. And the end effect? It hurts their own side. So throw in an extra helping of masochism.
Expanding your contention a little further. If Obama’s mother was not married at the time, then the custom was to omit the father’s name when the father and mother were not married. Although the divorce of Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham in 1964 [6] suggests they had been married on Thursday, February 2, 1961, there are no disclosed records or witnesses to indicate a marriage [4,10], and Michelle Obama stated in an interview that Ann Dunham was “very young and very single when she had him.
Obama’s father may have really been Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Communist Party USA, a bisexual, a child molester, a pervert, a drug user, (Davis later indoctrinated Obama in Socialism and white hate and may have turned him into a bisexual.) When Ann Duncan became pregnant, she may have talked Obama, Sr. into marrying her as he was legally allowed to have many wives and Davis probably wasn’t going to marry anybody.
See http://colony14.net/id41.html
Kurt Schlichter, I have been a regular reader of WND for years. I find that Mr. Farah is a very credible and trustworthy source for news and opinion. I applaud Mr. Farah for his courage and staying true to his convictions. It is obvious to me that Obummer has some problems with his pedigree and Mr. Farah has done well to help expose them.
Sir, I think I know Mr. Farah and appreciate the work that he does for the American people. And Kurt, you are no Farah.
Like Glenn and Bill, you appear to me that you just can't let go of the accolades from the Leftwing media. You have let them frame the argument, so therefore you are restricted by it.
Obummer, just show the certificate.
After BHO, jr. once again denounced gambling, I thought…”this guys problem with gambling is innate, I wonder if he has religious beliefs that gambling is wrong and should be banned.”
I searched Bing for Religions that ban gambling…I could only find one.
I even held my nose and double checked with Google…same result.
I’m not saying he is or isn’t but you know what religion beheads people for gambling…it aint Mormons.
OH, AND HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED, HIS DAUGHTERS DON’T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE HIM. NOT A SINGLE FEATURE. IS THEIR TRUTH TO THE QUESTIONS OF HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION?? HA. GAY ORGANIZATIONS WERE HIS FIRST LARGE CONTRIBUTORS. I’M NOT SAYING IT IS BUT…HAS ANYBODY RESEARCHED IT?
Loco en la Cabeza, what are you even talking about? Are you saying I'm stupid, and an idiot, and a dummy, because I want to know what Obama is hiding? Wow! It's such a stupid, idiot, dumb thing to want our Constitution to be upheld. What a dangerous, antiquated idea!
Dazzlingly unintelligent post and crude Spanish screen name, by the way…
So let me see if I understand Kurt Schlichter's point: All that matters is that Obama won the election and the elected Republican Congressmen are afraid of being called racists by the media, instead of doing their jobs to defend and protect the U.S. Constitution (which they swore an oath to defend and protect).
So if Obama is not really a natural born citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution, you suggest we just shut up and go away even though there are U.S. military soldiers who are still challenging thru appeals this issue in the U.S. Federal courts.
What if Obama and the Democrats pass an Unconstitutional law requiring every U.S. Citizen to buy health insurance or pay a tax, should we give up if no Republican Congressman is willing to challenge that?
When are we supposed to stand up for the U.S. Constitution? When you say it is OK? LOL.
You sir are no patriot and you should go home and leave the battlefield to men, not cowards.
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just show the birth certificate!
That's because they were listening to the chip they implanted in your brain and decided to do it as a way to cover up McCain & Obama's involvement with the Tri-Lateral commission (which was approved by the Free Masons). It all has to do with Area 51's involvement in Bush committing 9/11 to help Dick Cheney's old company make more money.
They're diabolical geniuses.
So, are you saying that Article II of the Constitution is merely a picayune law? Are you saying that the people’s belief overrides the laws passed by Congress and signed by the President?
Are you aware that so far the evidence is predominantly on the side of the birthers? Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was present when he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Two of his half siblings claim he was born in Mobassa. Indonesian marriage, adoption and school records indicate he was naturalized in Indonesia thus losing his US citizenship or British citizenship, whichever he had.
The only evidence supporting a claim to being born in the US is the statement by a Hawaiian records administrator who says he has seen Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth.
A couple of points for folks like Brian who think Joseph Farah is a credible source for news and opinion and on the birther issue.
1. Anybody remember how WND kept beating the drum saying that George Bush was going to create the North American Union? A conglomerate of America, Mexico and Canada – complete with it's own new currency? Yeah – how did that prediction work out? His investigative methods for that boondoggle were the same for this issue. So holding him up as this paragon of journalistic virtue might not be such a great idea.
2. Unless you birther's are suggesting that Obama's birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser was a 48 year old conspiracy you better realize it is Set, Game and Match as John Hawkins put it. Maybe his parents emailed it to the paper from Kenya?
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/barack_oba...
3. Those of you furiously typing about how important of an issue this is should at least attempt to step back and analyze your psychological investment in the issue. Most of you use the same tone, invective and near-OCD on this subject that the 911 Truthers do. Too many of you are attributing bad motives to Kurt rather than having the integrity to realize he comes by his position honestly.
4. If Obama did show the certificate would you drop the subject and move on? Really? Can you at least entertain that maybe he really is a citizen (maybe his certificate lists him as Caucasian or something like that)?
5. It is an unhealthy temptation to chase after some magic talisman that you think will undo the political loss you don't like. The dems still fume about how Bush was selected not elected. They also went on and on about how it was about the Constitution and not sour grapes. It didn't do them any good either.
http://rightwingnews.com/2010/02/birtherism-is-a-...
Why? Because putting it to rest DOES NOT HELP HIM. Letting the issue fester is GOOD for Obama. For a guy who squanders Trillions on political payoffs like it's nothing, spending a couple mil to marginalize his political enemies is a no-brainer investment.
Stop playing into it. Please.
Please explain what he gained three years ago, when this first started and he refused to comply by releasing his CERTIFICATE of LIve Birth to the one Democrat who was suing him for it. This isue has grown because of an irresponsible press.
Do they come dumber than you?
BO's father was not an American citizen so Obama is only a citizen because he was born in Hawaii. If he was born in Kenya, he would not be a natural born citizen because his father was a Kenyan and also had British citizenship. His father was never an American citizen. Therefore, place of birth is relevant
Tim – you are a complete and utter tool for calling Kurt that name. Read his bio then slam your head into the nearest concrete wall for your lack of integrity and decency. Have you ever led troops in combat? Tell us O brave keyboard warrior of some of your tales of heroism! Unless you can produce a purple heart and silver star you need to apologize profusely. You no better than the 911 losers who think they are brave for "asking questions". Pathetic little beta-male. Man up and apologize.
Yes because most people who work in delivery rooms remember every single baby they delivered! So what if most of them would be dead or 70+ years old now! It must be a conspiracy. Sheesh people. Think through what you are saying for a tiny bit before posting nonsense. The hospital where my youngest daughter was born does several hundred deliveries a week!
Well, Kurt, this will teach you to try to inject a modicum of rationality into the wingnut fringe.
Just which term applies under Section 301(g) INA “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:”? http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child." (If Obama was born abroad, then the age of Obama’s mother disqualifies him.)
Try here. This is supported by over 300 references.
http://colony14.net/id41.html
To put what you are offering into a larger context, you may want to read the following.
http://colony14.net/id41.html
Yeh, there's only a least 300 references that support the birther concerns.
http://colony14.net/id41.html
Not one hospital any where in the world has claimed that Obama was born at their hospital. Not one doctor, nurse, intern, midwife, or staff member of a hospital any where in the world has stepped forward to claim they were present at Obama's birth. Obama has his birth records, college records, passport records, and health records all sealed and has done so at a cost of over a million dollars. He has an entire staff of lawyers maintaining the secret of his records. There is only one person who has claimed to have been present when Obama was born, his aunt. She claims he as born at the hospital in Kenya and she was there. What is really improbable is that the Obamites are not curious as to why not one person anywhere has seen Obama's birth certificate. The Obamites defend their leader's right to not show it and say he's just waiting for the right moment to show his birth certificate to embarrass we birthers. So okay embarrass me.
Sigh – sorry – but this is patent nonsense about Obama having dual citizenship. How do I know that? My mother was a British citizen when I was born. I was born in the US to an American father and British mother. That does NOT confer dual-citizenship on you automatically. It doesn't matter if Kenya declared him a citizen or not.
This kind of sloppy thinking is an embarrassment and is why it is nearly impossible to take the birthers seriously. If Obama was born in the US and his mother was a US citizen then he is – period.
The divided loyalty argument is asinine. The man has done everything but spit on the British ambassador since he took office. Do you really think this is a valid argument? If Ronald Reagan's dad had been British or Australian NONE of you would take this nonsense seriously.
You birthers really annoy me because you are forcing me to defend a man I think is the worst president in US history.
Posted this as a reply – but I wanted to put it out for everyone on this idiotic notion that Obama has dual citizenship because his dad was a Kenyan under British rule.
.Sigh – sorry – but this is patent nonsense about Obama having dual citizenship. How do I know that? My mother was a British citizen when I was born. I was born in the US to an American father and British mother. That does NOT confer dual-citizenship on you automatically. It doesn't matter if Kenya declared him a citizen or not.
This kind of sloppy thinking is an embarrassment and is why it is nearly impossible to take the birthers seriously. If Obama was born in the US and his mother was a US citizen then he is – period.
The divided loyalty argument is asinine. The man has done everything but spit on the British ambassador since he took office. Do you really think this is a valid argument? If Ronald Reagan's dad had been British or Australian NONE of you would take this nonsense seriously.
You birthers really annoy me because you are forcing me to defend a man I think is the worst president in US history.
The Great Birthers vs (Someone) Argument
Q. What is the corresponding dismissive counter label that "Birthers" automatically use to swiftly marginalize, stereotype, and/or collectively dismiss, discredit, or discount those who either accept Obama's Constitutional elligibility for POTUS at face value, or who believe the subject a strategic distraction from more important issues, or who think that simply talking about it might prove fatal to this or that grassroots movement (essentially because of the goebbles/alinsky style tactics typically employed by the political left and their MSM sychophants)?
The odd fact that I should even need to ask and/or attempt to coin one of my very own says quite a lot, really.
Behold! – The Great Birther vs "O-valid" argument?
There now, playing field levelled. Carry on.
To Kurt,
I’ll skip the niceties and just be blunt:
KEEP YOUR BS ABOUT BO’s BC !
American presidents bigger than BO have fallen.
Remember Nixon/Agniew ?
R. Greene writes:
My Friends, No One I repeat No One would more like to believe that Obama is not a US Citizen than me however.
HE IS A US CITIZEN, GET OVER IT AND STOP MAKING US LOOK LIKE IDIOT LOSERs OR SHOULD I SAY LIKE DEMOCRATS.
Having a conceited concern about the way you look instead of concern for the truth removes all possible doubt of being thought an idiot loser and a Democrat.
Well, Piper, I'm wondering what the heck is so irrational about asking that our Constitution be honored. I guess that's just too much for "enlightened" ones like you to accept.
You're only wishing that we're a "wingnut fringe," buddy. We're bigger than you can possibly imagine, and there's nothing "fringe" about us.
Its a pretty good indication that the COLB is a forgery. The term "African" would not have been used during that time period. Also, the COLB posted on-line by the Obama Campaign is computer generated according to Dr. Ron Polarik, an expert document researcher. This is Dan Rather-Gate all over again but much more serious. You can read all the details here:
http://colony14.net/id41.html
Actuarial tables say that its much more probable that you will be run over by a bus than to be hit by lightning. Doesn't mean it can't happen, just not as likely. Someone brought up in an enviroment involving greater citizenship, rather then less, is more probable to value it, and have less chance of foreign obligations.
Personally, I think they should add an IQ test requirement, and maybe an obstacle course. That could make the inauguration alot more fun to watch.
Well I have never heard that the father was not an American however can we please have some intellectual honesty here. His mother was defintiely an American Citizen. Period!
Children born to American citizens are naturalized american citizens. Are you telling me that if a US women stationed in the military in Japan has her kid there he isn't American. Think.
No it is whether he is a natural american citizen . Children born to Americans are Americans they are not Japanese just becasue the women was vacationing in JApan and the baby came two months premature.
Also the constitution makes no requirement as to place of birth. The requirement is one is born a citizen and not an immigrant.
To hold onto this issue is folly. First because the fact is Hawaii has records of the birth. Second because even so he is an American citizen born to American parents.
Our constitution does grant the right of natural citizenship to any person born to foreign aliens within the territories of this country. To my knowledge we are the only country to do so. This doe not necessarily mean then you have to be born in that territory. Are you honestly going to tell me that a person born in JApan to parent stationed there by our military is not an natural American citizen because the mother had to gio to a Japanese hospital and could not get to the military base. That is senseless. Barack's Mom was an American. why argue that.
Yes I never thought I'd be defending anything about BO as well. A woman I work with is a birther and her eyes get glassy and unfocused when she brings up the subject. Everyone then scatters.
What proof do you have that others have been searching for for 3 years and Obama has spent over $million hiding?
REally tell you what
SUE
If it is so obvious then file the lawsuit there would be no way you could not prevail.
This is the United States of America, not the United States of the World. It does matter who we elect. You and journalists of your ilk totally miss the point. Most certainly it is relevant to have a valid birth certificate for a President of the United States of America, in the public domain for all to see. That is the norm in this country, and it is expected. The 'First Citizen' and 'First Liberal' of the United States, who should be pleased to concede to this, contrariwise is holding up his middle finger to America and the rest of the world, and the liberals love to have it so. What's more, it appears that he gets a pass because he's a black guy. I think that's called a 'double standard'. If he has a valid birth certificate, which proves he is a bona fide Natural Born American, it is of benefit for all of us to get to see it. If the mainstream media, and journalists such as you, were truly dedicated to the 1st Amendment, there would be no objection to the pursuit of something as simple as a birth certificate. I'll show you mine. I'm pleased that I have one, and pleased that I can demonstrate who I am, who my parents were, and who my ancestors were. It would be good for Obama to demonstrate that 'I am one of you, and we are all in this together, here's evidence that I am American and proud of it'. Otherwise he is just a novelty black guy who got to act like the prez for a while. What if someone someday runs for an office requiring natural citizenship and there is an imperative to prove it. What precedent is there to stand on? After this, who will care enough – just let anybody who comes along hold office. The US has a president that will forever have this tainted aura of illegitimacy, and by it politics is lowered another notch (another notch – who would have believed it could sink any lower!). And, it drags down your esteemed journalism with it.
Pt 1
It doesn't matter who you blame for this issue. The results are the same. People so fixed on this issue, they ignore all other issues that really matter. Do you get it? Obama is playing you people like a fiddle. The result is allowing yourselves to be look just as kooky as the truthers.
Like I said. Let's just say Obama isn't an American citizen, which wouldn't surprise me one bit. WHAT OF IT? Do you honestly think in your most delusional fantasies that Obama or the rest of democrats are going to entertain that notion? They aren't going to be any more honest about this than the Democrats were about the former horndog in Chief, Bill Clinton. They will cover up, they will tell us laughable rationalizations like "oral sex isn't sex" and they will have their sychophant press trottling right along to the same tune.
It is an excercise in futility. So, let's return to REALITY and entertain what IS possible, and that is blocking Obama's AGENDA. That CAN happen.
Pt 2 As long as you stay focused on this birther issue, you are going nowhere and that is EXACTLY what Obama wants you to do–go nowhere.
This isn't about fair, or what should happen. It doesn't matter that (if Obama isn't an American citizen) Obama shouldn't be in office. HE IS. So, let's do what we can to get him out of office, which in reality is the next election in 2012 and blocking his agenda with the elections in 2010. Now that's reality. Not the emotion filled fantasy of the birthers, which is no more going to happen, than Karl Rove being "frogged marched out of the Whitehouse." (which was the fantasy of the Bush/Rove haters.)
Wake up!
Being born in Hawaii in the same year that Obama purports, and having been raised in Hawaii, I strongly suggest you take 5 minutes and gain some knowledge about what has taken place involving the Hawaii Department of Health. The Post & Email has done made it easy for you:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/10/red-flags-...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-i...
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/16/citizens-h...
James
Maybe its just lost. These tings happen without world wide conspiracies. The documents are maintained by bureaucrats after all trust me I have audited enough governmental organizations to know how mind blowingly innefficient they are.
What if this is the case and your Birth Certificate got lost and they had to print one from hospital records are you know no longer eligible to run for office. I agree they should release it, I think the reason they don't is so they can make hey out of useful idiots that will attack him for it. However let us not pretend that it matters…… we have a heck of a lot real issues to take the SOB to task on to get sidetracked into Oliver Stione's Mental Closet which sad to say is where the Birthers are….
The whole presidential library thing is going to be interesting. Born and raised in Hawaii, I can attest to you, BHO falls short of people who knew him in the day. Also, suggest calling on Gretta to do that big home town gig like she did for Sarah Palin and Scott Brown; now that I know which donuts Sarah and Scott ate growing up, I want to know what donuts Obama ate growing up. Funny how Gretta never made it over to Hawaii for the big "home-town-boy" thing she does for every other "celebrity politician". Sarcasm I know, but it gets so old having to push up against the obvious. Its like the big-bow thing, my eyes saw him bow, but I lost count how many people said that he did not bow. Ridiculous really.
Thank for the link XQZME, that was a good read, appeared to be well documented.
Here is some opposition research for you on the subjet ….. Good Luck with the lawsuit!
The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."[9] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring statutory "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."[10]
Why is it that on this issue some of our best conservatives resort to that liberal/progressive tactic of name calling because they disagree with birthers???? Words like "stupid", "self-indulgent", "narcissistic", etc are used to describe the birther. I am not a journalist so I don't give a damn if my desire to see Obamas birth certificate is journalism or not journalism, and I don't give a damn if other people don't want to see it!!! What in hell is so problematic about this that it devides the ranks? If Obama was stopped by a traffic cop, he would be asked for his drivers license. I just don't understand what is so damn bad about asking to see his birth certificate. After all, he acts like he is under age!!!
Note to Birthers: If Obama was not a legal citizen. Do you not think that Hilary and her team would not have been all over it in the primaries and totally destroyed him. They were looking for anything that they could use. I regard Obama birthers with 9/11 truthers and equate them with Alex Jones and his stupidity.
BHO has done a good job keeping it hidden, and has spent millions to assure all personal information is kept secret, even from Hillary. Anyway, I believe it was Leno who cracked the joke about Hillary, so it doesn't mean anything anyway. Get serious.
When I went to get my U.S. Passport, all I had was a Certificate of Live Birth from the military hospital where I was born. I've never had a Birth Certificate. The office where I went in Sacramento initially refused to grant me a passport, saying the document I had was invalid. They called the Dept of State in DC, explained the situation, and I was eventually given a passport.
Do I think that Obama should be "unelected"? No. But the U.S. Government itself recognizes that a Certificate of Live Birth is different from a Birth Certificate.
You need to point that finger in both directions. None of us non-birthers are calling anyone a p*ssy etc.
I wouldn't have a problem with the 9/11 truthers if we didn't have Pearl Habor. Just saying.
One view interprets the "natural born Citizen" clause as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen.[30][not in citation given] According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States, or possibly an incorporated territory; otherwise, they are a citizen "by law" and are therefore a "statutory citizen," … Another view holds that the clause only requires that a president be a citizen at the time of birth, whether under the Fourteenth Amendment or under federal law.[31]
one U.S. President (Chester A. Arthur) and some presidential candidates either were not born or were suspected of not having been born in a U.S. state.[32] This does not necessarily mean that they were ineligible, only that there was some controversy (usually minor) about their eligibility, which may have been resolved in favor of eligibility. Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.
Schlichter has fallen for the oldest liberal trick in the book: equivocation. The birther issue is not the same as the truther issue. Framing an issue as ridiculous doesn't make the issue ridiculous; associating an issue with another one believed to be ridiculous doesn't make it ridiculous.
The difference is that we, as citizens, have the right and the responsibility to ask for any specific piece of necessary evidence that would show that Obama was qualified under constitutional law for the position he was elected to. As yet, that piece of evidence has not been offered and in fact has been hidden. A "certificate of live birth" is not, repeat not, sufficient. Because of the questions, laws and issues involved, we have the right to demand to see the original birth certificate.
Do you understand? We have the constitutional right to see the original, whether anyone thinks we are loony or not. Stop fighting against our obligation and right and start beating the drum so we can get this settled.
The 9/11 truthers weren't denied due process by their constitution.
Produce the birth certificate. Produce grade school, high school records, produce college records, produce grad school records. Why not? What's to hide? That he isn't the Saviour the media and his campaign portray him to be? Why is he spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight producing the documents? Why the secrecy? I thought he was the "transparency" candidate/president. Brother, some people will believe anything.
Democrats love drone on about the evils of the 'appearance of impropriety. There is a hell of an "appearance" problem with this Obama fellow. Is he really a male? Is he an alien? Is he a Manchurian candidate? We know about as much about those questions as we do his real background…
The attitude reflected by the words and subject-matter that many script-writers attend to, are more revealing of
the nature and fiber they are made up with—-so it isn't difficult to reconize on which side of the tracts some people
were created—the TRUTH will set us free.
This article is disgusting and an insult to Americans.
Maybe these anti- Constitutionalists on the right should do some real investigative journalism on Obama's birth and current citizenship
Oklahoma firecracker takes on Obama eligibility
Candidate for Congress: 'If he claims he was born at Kapi'olani, I want him to show proof'
Posted: February 09, 2010 9:32 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
Miki Booth
NASHVILLE – Just as a tea-party convention crowd gathered to discuss strategy for the movement, one woman stepped forward to the microphone – holding up two Hawaiian long-form birth certificates and a copy of President Obama's purported short-form certification of live birth – and, referencing the short form, she told the crowd, "This piece of junk is what you get when you don't have one of these!"
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Cont on link where one can see what a real Hawaiian Certificate of Birth from 1961 looks like. Not that forgery that Obama had posted on the web
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag...
Pathetic. The Constitution requires the president to be born in the USA. Simple way to prove it, yet Obamao has spent tens of thousands in legal fees to prevent the presentation of this document. Not an issue? Sure it isn't, sleep, obey………………
Writer is a lawyer, yet fails to present any adequate or sufficient legal argument in support of his claims.
Writer is a journalist, yet fails to present facts or documented proof in support of his claims.
Writer is a comedian, and is able to present enough information in support of his profession.
I want Obama to produce the same school transcripts, medical records and other documentation that every other person who's run for president in the last few decades has had to produce. Is that too much to ask?
I disagree. In the world of information today, nothing the pres does is over-looked, because people are distracted. I'm sure we're capable of handling both the day-to-day activities, as well as this issue.
The problem is that as long as this goes unanswered, the more it will pop it's head up in the future–as will any weakness perceived, and in this case, the constitution apparently is meaningless, and that's a weakness we can't afford anymore.
Reply to number 5–those sour grapes turned into a democrat supermajority.
I know it seems a stretch, but wasn't McCain able to, and forthrightly so, produce accurate and adequate information and documentation about the details of his birth? Why bother spending more taxpayer dollars on a record system if it doesn't matter? Why bother keeping records?
A disappointing read, especially at a site dedicated to not letting the Mainstream Media set the narrative anymore. This article's narrative would be totally MSM-approved.
There are serious questions about the total lack of records (college, university, medical, etc.) of the least-known president in history. One doesn't have to be a knuckle-dragging conspiracy theorist to question why these records were put beyond reporters' and the public reach. Records that most people have to produce in order to go about their daily lives.
Can the lack of curiosity and quickness to sling invective at those who disagree mean there's a MSM reporting job in the future?
Of course Farrah is riding this meme to the bank: thousands of people want information and it's not been forthcoming in the press. While there's a subset who think that Obama is a Kenyan prince, there is a much larger group, myself included, who wonder, 'Why can't we see this president's past?"
By labeling those who are curious about this president's self-imposed news blackout about anything that has to do with his past records, as "birthers," you repeat the narrative of Progressives, whether this is by intention or not.
The Washington Post, the New York Times and DailyKOS have already published many of the points listed above–with the sole exception of why conservative should just shut up because its good for them politically.
That's a both a new and disappointing addition.
I am proudly a BIRTHER. I do have a nagging question. IF BO was groomed etc for this why did they choose a man with a shady past? Why choose *the one* to be a man that they have to cover his past?
Just thinkin out loud….
I never thought I would see the day that Brietbart would publish an article like this. Birtherism is getting to the truth of the matter and you're right, that's not today's journalism. By your argument I can tell that you will also vote for amnesty for illegal aliens. They're here now and they have kids and the law allows them to bring in their relatives too, so let's just give them and their entire entourage citizenship already and keep trucking. When the next round of illegals have crossed into the country from Syria and Iran, let's do the same thing because after all the law says they can't come but once they're here we just won't bother doing anything about it. While we're at it, why don't we just legalize everything so that we can all shut the heck up. Why don't we just ignore the first amendment and shut you up too. When you have no respect for one law, you may as well forget the rest and that's why I will never align myself with any outfit that wants to vote the libs out and blatantly ignores the elephant in the room.
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I have found that the best way to oppose it is on strategic grounds. They can always throw up another conspiratorial argument, but they can't argue against the 2008 election (he took an electoral vote in Nebraska, for goodness sake). They also can't argue against the fact that this gives Democrats a way to distract from vital (winning, for us) policy arguments into claims of unfair personal attacks.
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The Provenance of Obama's Certification of Live Birth
–Robert Klein Engler
Viewers of the TV program "Antiques Road Show" on PBS know how important the provenance of an antique is. "It is to an object what a deed trail is to a piece of land."
In many cases provenance gives a document heightened value. The provenance offers evidence about the time, place and the person responsible for the creation, production or discovery of a document.
In this case we are interested in the provenance of Barack Obama's Certification of Live Birth. The provenance of this document will go a long way towards answering the question about Obama's natural born US citizenship status.
Questions continue to swirl around the Internet image that purports to be Obama's COLB. Some have analyzed this digital image and said it is a forgery. This is the position taken by Pamela Geller's webpage, AtlasShrugs.
There we read, "…as I have been saying repeatedly since I first compared the KOS images to the Decosta image using the same tests and measurements–the image is a horrible forgery."
Along the same lines, Ron Polarik claims, "There is conclusive and irrefutable evidence that the COLB image created and distributed by Obama's campaign to the Daily Kos, Annenberg's Factcheck, and the St. Pete Times…is, unquestionably, a false identification document." Polarik then adds, "Obama's real COLB is a nonexistent document."
In spite of Polarik's claim, the image of some document was posted online and was subject to digital analysis. Few have ever seen the original from which the digital image was made.
We have no solid evidence that Chris Matthews, Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly have seen this original. It is said the original document was first in Obama's Chicago campaign office.
In spite of this, readers have to wonder, as Andrea Shea King reports, how O'Reilly can make the claim that, "'The Factor' investigated…we found that President Obama was born in Hawaii. We sent (for) the documents….'"
Somehow, this document went from Chicago to be seen by members of FactCheck.org. They claim it was an original COLB issued by the state of Hawaii. It is alleged that this document was brought to FactCheck's Washington, DC office by Tommy Vietor. It was then supposedly taken back to the White House by Vietor and resides there in safe keeping.
It would be helpful to know how Obama's alleged COLB supposedly got into the hands of Tommy Vietor and was seen by a few others. A call was placed to the White House and an attempt was made to contact Mr. Vietor through his Facebook page. We asked about his connection to the COLB. As of yet we have not received his reply.
The trail to authenticate the COLB seen by Factcheck.org and a few others seems to stop at the White House and Tommy Vietor. What proof do we have beyond this trail that such a document actually originated from the Hawaii Department of Health or even exists?
Because we do not have access to the original COLB, the next best thing would be to see the request made for it. This request will help establish the provenance of the COLB image that appears on the Internet and was supposedly taken to FactCheck.org.
On February 15th, 2010 a request was mailed to the state of Hawaii Department of Health. This "Request to Access a Government Record," sought through the freedom of information act, a copy of the form Barack Obama filed in order to get his COLB.
To be clear, this request is not seeking a copy of Obama's certification of live birth. As Dan Nakaso notes, "State law allows birth certificates to be issued to family members, legal guardians, representatives of a person's estate, or by court order or other legal purposes."
What we seek is a copy of the form that must have been submitted to obtain the document that appears on the Internet. This document was probably taken from Chicago to various Washington, DC locations. Our request will help establish the provenance of that document.
If it cannot be established that Barack Obama or his agent requested from the state of Hawaii sometime around 2007 a COLB, then the provenance of the document that appears on the Internet remains in doubt. There is a gap in the provenance that makes one question the COLB's authenticity.
More seriously, because of that gap, reasonable doubt will remain that Obama is a natural born US citizen. Given such doubt, many ask how can he fulfill the requirements of the US Constitution to be president?
So far, there has not been a reply from state officials in Hawaii. The "Request to Access a Government Record" remains unanswered. They have ten days to respond to the request. Keep reading Chronwatch.com for future developments.
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Robert Klein Engler lives in Des Plaines, Illinois. His book, CONTRA OBAMA, is available from Lulu.com.