Yesterday I had the displeasure of reading Gregory Ferenstein’s column, “Why the web benefits liberals more than conservatives.” Ferenstein’s thesis is that liberal ideological characteristics facilitate Internet success, while the opposite is true for conservatism. Frankly, his entire piece is based on assumptions without evidence. Ferenstein states:
From…the million-strong Barack Obama Facebook page to the huge audience of the Huffington Post, liberals have been the dominant political force on the internet since the digital revolution began.”
Ferenstein avoids the most important reason for this phenomenon: Age. Younger people dominate the Internet, and younger people are more liberal by significant margins. So, Ferenstein could replace the phrase, “Liberals have been the dominant political force on the Internet since the digital revolution began,” with “Young people have been the dominant demographic on the Internet since the digital revolution began.” They have the same meaning.

He continues:
Research…suggests that the reason behind this imbalance may be the liberal belief system itself.
Liberals, the research finds, are oriented toward community activism…and feature user-generated content. Conservatives…are more comfortable with a commanding leadership and use restrictive policies to combat disorderly speech in online forums.
Even the study concedes that several conservative blogs allow user-generated content, and several liberal blogs do not. If we assume that restrictive commenting policies are uniquely conservative, then we wouldn’t expect liberal blogs to be run the same way. Moreover, conservative blogs like Redstate.com and FreeRepublic.com allow an enormous amount of user-generated content, which according to Ferenstein, goes against conservatism. Someone should notify Erick Erickson that he’s a CBINO (Conservative Blogger in Name Only).
Ferenstein then disqualifies his argument from being taken seriously when he fixates on HotAir.com:
The Huffington Post’s [“HP”] closest conservative competitor, Hotair.com, has only a fraction of its audience size and is tightly controlled by an inner circle of three authors… Hot Air was founded by Michelle Malkin…Malkin’s hard-line national security views are matched by Hotair’s unusually restrictive comment policy. The site permits comments only by registered users.
First, Malkin rarely blogged for HotAir.com. Ed Morrissey and the blogger known as AllahPundit do. Malkin was simply affectionately known as the “Boss Emeritus” until HotAir.com was acquired recently by Salem Communications. I’m dumbfounded that Ferenstein makes the logical jump from her national security positions to HotAir’s comment policy. Other large conservative blogs with similar policy positions, like Ace of Spades HQ, allow comments without registration. Conversely, the Daily Kos bans such people from commenting.

Furthermore, comparisons with HP are misleading. It has a larger audience than HotAir because it pays for Associated Press content, has numerous full-time employees to run the site, and, to the best of my knowledge, doesn’t pay its bloggers a penny. Ferenstein’s analysis of HP gets even more bizarre:
By contrast, the left-leaning [HP]…has thousands of bloggers and invites active users to become featured authors and comment facilitators…Thus, from just a snapshot of the top political bloggers, one catches a glimpse of an emerging pattern: leadership and control from the right, and equality and community on the left.
It was only recently that HP invited users to become featured comment facilitators. Previously, HP moderated comments heavily. So, whatever success HP has achieved, it cannot be attributed to its new comment facilitators. Also, I’m a regular reader of HP and I’ve never seen an active user become a featured author.
Towards the end, Ferenstein contradicts himself by addressing the Scott Brown victory:
Indeed, conservative Scott Brown’s stunning victory…took its strategy from Obama’s playbook…Brown permitted an unknown universe of latent conservative activists to contribute as they saw fit.
Right, so the Tea Party movement via decentralized networks managed to get Scott Brown elected. This disputes everything Ferenstein said about conservatives needing a hierarchal structure. Scott Brown even has similar foreign policy stances to Malkin. I thought according to Ferenstein that a “hard-line” foreign policy position would lead to a top-down approach to campaigning?
Finally, Ferenstein addresses the fact that youth dominate the Internet, but fails to draw the correct conclusion that, that is the reason for the phenomenon of liberals also dominating the Internet.
Russell J. Dalton… says that among politically active youth, liberals are substantially more likely to donate money, attend a rally and participate in online discussions…Dalton writes…[T]he very structure of the internet as a decentralized grouping of communities may never appeal to the large portion of right-wingers who prefer military-style hierarchies and commanding leaders.
So either the Tea Party doesn’t show up on Ferenstein’s radar, or the Tea Party is not a conservative movement.
Overall, Ferenstein ignores the obvious fact that younger—and by extension more liberal—people dominate the Internet, which explains liberal blogs’ popularity. But it has nothing to do with liberal ideology itself.






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Ferenstien is a hack. His self-congratulating writing style only serves to expose the a$$ he really is.
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
~ Winston Churchill ~
The gate swings both ways.
it might have been correct early on…
Although AOL was fairly conservative until, say 2005 or so- when the left started to really organize against Bush 41.
Either way, the conservative movement not only caught up- but recently passed the left/net like it was standing still.
More motivated, one suspects.
And a lot of the credit has to go to Matt Drudge- and Andrew Breitbart…
Progressives are all the same. It's always about themselves. They saved the world from this. They saved the world from that. They feel when they walk the world should move with them. They have become the real enemy of America.The enemies across the seas we can get rid of. The morons in the U.S. we cannot.
Progressives want you to be suspicious of everybody except them…
I was booted out of HuffPo three minutes after my first comment. I'm not complaining. It's their right to regulate their comments. But let's not pretend that they don't. "Equality and community" is the standard on HuffPo as long as your opinions are the same as everyone else's.
Let them have their delusions, maybe if they close their eyes and wish really really hard the conservative online presence will be minimized. And they won't see the need to control the internet as the FCC seems intent on doing.
How can liberals dominate the 'Net and then claim 'Net Neutrality is needed because conservative unfairly dominate it?
I am so glad we have someone Ferenstein to illustrate a very large point that needs to be pounded into people's minds. Liberalism (I use the modern example only) can't stand on it's own. Everything has to be nuanced or twisted to be the exact opposite of what it actually is. Examples:
(A) The Tea Party is a bunch of racist xenophobes and the absence of overt racism only proves the 'coded and implied racism' (See: Rand Paul). When we say "real black man shooting people in the foot", it's just our sense of irony.
(B) Abortion is about choice (as if it were an item in a supermarket), but only if you choose abortion. Otherwise you are a traitor to your sex. (I mean there is nothing more anti-woman than being a mother…)
(C) Armed thugs on a flotilla are "peace activists".
(D) It is necessary to keep unionized teachers who slack in their duties, on the payroll. For the children of course. Remember, it's an investment in our future…
(E) The Fairness Doctrine (net neutrality) is about "free speech".
(F) Dissent is patriotic unless liberals are in power.
(G) Morality is relative.
(H) Thousands and thousand of protesters calling George Bush a Nazi was no big deal, but dozens depicting Obama as Hitler is "hate speech" and "inciting violence".
(I) We hate corporations so much that we need to spend a trillion dollars to keep them in business.
(J) The free market doesn't work. If it did then all the banks and businesses, that we just gave federal funds to, would have gone out of business like free market principles suggest…
(K) Despite the fact that favoring one person over another is racist, affirmitive action is not racist.
(L) Using racial terms is wrong unless we direct them at conservative blacks people.
(M) We believe in individual rights unless you are Christian, Israeli descent, southern white male, land owner, conservative (or worse….a black conservative), a business owner, Republican etc. etc.
(N) Republicans just want to oppress people, but there is nothing wrong with liberal groups demanding the confiscation of all guns, an end to hunting, a ban on owning pets, a ban on the use of livestock or meat-eating as a whole, etc. etc. (nothing oppressive there folks.)
I could go on and on about how ridiculous these people have become. As many others have pointed out, up is down, black is white with these people and Ferenstein is no exception.
If he can scattergun enough wild claims, he is bound to find something that takes a life of it's own, and his accomplices will drown out anyone bringing up the wild claims that died.
AOL has gone left, but it seems many (most?) of their customers have not. That makes for a fun read in the comments section.
Logical bullseye of the Day!
Ferenstein (and the authors of the study that he cites) are too heavily invested in their own political assumptions to make anything close to a valid, accurate point. They assume that conservatives=closed/hierarchical/controlling and liberals=open/free/wonderful, and THEN they gather the evidence to back it up. Because they depend so much on these assumptions, they don't even mention other possible explanations. If conservatives are so controlling, why are liberals in favor of more government control over the economy/media/etc.? If liberals are so concerned about the community, why do they favor laws that drain money and resources from towns and cities? See, you can spin this any way you want. I know that none of these assumptions are totally accurate, but it's irresponsible and lazy for Ferenstein to give only one side to his story AND hide behind an "objective" study.
well, the people who actually HAVE jobs weigh in…
Yeah, rarely read them because their commentators are SUCH left wing nitwits giving countless DNC spin.
But on occasion have noticed the users are horrified…
You hit the nail sqawr on the head! The idea that liberals aren't hierarchical is ludicrous. As usual, they're not arguing with actual conservatives or libertarians, but with their own prejudices. The blindness is truly mind boggling. But then again, you can't expect people who refuse to learn anything since their teenage years to sudden become introspective and open-minded. It's Orwell all over. Truth=Lies, Freedom=Slavery, Conservative=Pharaoh.
The recurrent theme seems to be that the little Lefties are easier to B.S. and delude into supporting things adults wouldn't support. Well, Hell, who didn't know the Leftist lemmings were like THAT. 'Just means we have to tell the truth more often and louder than the Left lies and, in the process, disabuse the trolls of their stupidity. Being a Leftard means never having to say "I've grown up."
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT OUR 50 YEAR OLD PRESIDENT?
So has Yahoo/Google.
It's not the medium that makes liberal sites more popular. The number of brainwashed libs simply outnumber those of us who operate our brain cells.
Hello All,
Thanks for reading the article. While I don't agree with the personal attacks, I'd like to be responsive to some of the claims made
1). I'm not a liberal. My previous op ed was for the Christian Science Monitor and I defended capitalism against Michael Moore's attacks (for which I was called a conservative hack)
2). The key research was the Benkler study, which said that, on average, liberal blogs have more inclusive policies. If there is research to the contrary, I honestly am interested in hearing it.
3). The libertarian/tea party movement is interesting. However, its only a percentage of the conservative spectrum, whereas the entire spectrum of liberalism seems to be more comfortable with inclusive policies. Also, I'm yet to see a libertarian social media pioneer. Much of the strategy is still taken from liberals like Dean and Obama. And, first movers will have an advantage.
4). Instead of writing blogs attacking me, you could just email me. Lee (or andrew), happy to talk it out over a Beer.
Best,
Greg Ferenstein
I don't think he's that old d55, then again, since we don't even know where he was born, I guess we can't know his exact age
but seriously, he's not 50 yet
Great posts Wsorrian, very well stated!
You are either 'brave' or truly naive. One point I'll make is that the reason the youth on line is liberal is directly related to the indoctrination occurring at universities across this entire country.
And Christian Science Monitor? You mean the organization funded by TIDES? hmmm, not such an innocent association, just saying –
I'll step aside now and allow others here respond to your thinly veiled attempt at credibility -
Greg,
I'm glad you're able to contribute to this site. I'd like to know where you were called a "conservative hack." Even the most inclusive system of reader contribution can create an atmosphere that's restrictive to certain ideas. A free-for-all comment system is just as likely to support ideas commenters agree with and shout down those they don't like. I think that the relationship between online author and reader is a little more complicated than comments alone.
The internet benefits conservatives because, if your perspective on life is limited to television, a conservative would think they were all alone in this world. All television sitcoms and news are extremely leftward biased and debased. On the net, we conservatives built the Tea Party movement (touched off by Rick Santelli, of course), and can find kindred spirits aplenty. We are 10x stronger than we've ever been and growing everyday as we bring true Americans back into the conservative cultural fold.
Uh, how about the Drudge Report? It's huge.
Maybe it's news more than opinion but it can't be denied that it's conservative.
"The key research was the Benkler study, which said that, on average, liberal blogs have more inclusive policies. If there is research to the contrary, I honestly am interested in hearing it."
Well, I have no 'research' other than my personal experience- but, in that personal experience of many, many blogs and comment fora, it seems to me unequivocal that viewpoint censorship, both comment removal and banning, is SOP on left-leaning blogs (especially HuffPo), and IIRC practically non-existent on conservative sites. We actually enjoy hearing other points of views; liberals, it seems, can't permit heresy. I was recently banned, permanently, by a 'neutral' site run and dominated by liberals for daring to call Obama 'narcissistic.'
Here, by contrast, we like liberals- because they're crunchy, and good with ketchup.
First of all, dear olld Winnie never said it; however the age for becoming a CONSERVATIVE is 40, OCG and Barry is supposedly what…48 ? So yes, he is way past the age of when he should have dropped childish things.
Barry isn't 50 and the age of reason is supposedly 40, so just what are you carrying on about ?
That's the way it is on ALL lefty sites.
DU is even more brutal., or so I've been told, about booting of even slightly right of center posters.
if your perspective on life is limited to television, a conservative would think they were all alone in this world.
Astute.
You only needed 18 words to sum it up perfectly, Spitz512
What's the mystery? Libs love fiction (absolute truth vs. moral relativity) and the internet is a make-believe world where they can be whomever they wish to be. Conservatives know the difference between "friending" and befriending.
What's the mystery? Libs love fiction (moral relativity vs. absolute truth) and the internet is a make-believe world where they can be whomever they wish to be.
Easy. Libs love make-believe (absolute truth vs. moral relativity) and the Internets are a perfect home for them.
Greg, your entire source material is utter and complete garbage!
What you then wrote on your own, is even more of the same kind of ill informed drivel.
First of all, FreeRepublic is NOT a "BLOG" ; it is a FORUM, has hundreds of thousands of members, and FYI…………..IT WAS THE FIRST SUCH SITE ON THE WEB ! It predates DU, Move.On, Media Matters, DailyKos, and the HuffPO.
FR was also the very first site to have it's own research fellows, posters with their own daily or weekly thread/s, and the very FIRST major protest groups; several of which were shown on CSPAN, from beginning to end. The first of these was THE MARCH FOR JUSTICE, which took place, in D.C. on October 31, 1998and was also shown, though just clips of it, on both local and the alphabet networks !
The TPM ( Tea Party Movement ) is NOT a "Libertarian" thing. The TPM has a majority of what you would call Conservatives.; however, yes, Libertarians and fed up DEMS are also members, as are Independents.
You SHOULD be attacked, kiddo, for writing specious, spurious, banal drivel, based on some dumb source which hasn't managed to get a single thing correct and fcrom which you followed with even less research and NO facts whatsoever!
You don't even know that there are MANY conservative/right leaning forums and blogs, some of which, like this one, break their own news regularly. This is something that the lefty ones do NOT do; they make things up and then call it news and also get PAID by the likes of TIDES and George Soros ! FR is member ONLY funded, BTW.
Next time, if there IS a next time…………………………………….DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH PRIOR TO EVEN THINKING ABOUT SITTING DOWN TO WRITE SOMETHING, BE SURE TO USE MORE THAN ONE SOURCE, AND FACT CHECK !
Right you are; I can attest to the fact that what you said is 100% true.
I do believe that 'd55may' is extrapolating that Obama, being a post 40 liberal, is lacking a brain.
Oh……………………if that is so, then I apologize; I took it to be something else. But Barry is 48, IIRC.
WELL GOOD……. maybe they won't ban us/US now!!!! If think it is empowering them, maybe they won't shut it down because people follow law/God!!!!!!!!!!!
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Another reason why liberals may benefit more from the web is that conservatives tend to have more jobs, especially conventional jobs with conventional hours, tend to be more family oriented, attend church more. All of these things, if done correctly, take time – time that is not spent on a computer.
Flawless Victory.
Don't forget, they also want to control broadcast media, to sack Rush, Savage, Beck, Levin, and countless others who torpedo liberals on a daily basis.
LOL!
That may be true; but there are plenty of those conservatives now spending time on sites like these, to find news and information and, as someone said, "kindred spirits" with which to fight for our country's future.
Thank you for posting your opinions.
Answer #1 If what you say is true, we could consider you a true journalist…imagine that!
Answer #2 Huff and Blow. 'Nuff said. The people who run that site have some of the most ridiculous censoring policies…considering how "tolerant" and "open-minded" they are.
In answer to #3…you are posting on a site started by one, none other than Andrew Breitbart. You will start to see the voice of the conservative base grow stronger as our Marxist in Chief continues to try to tighten the noose. November is going to be fun.
Answer #4 You and Lee could have your own version of the beer summit, and something good might actually take place.
Basically all Drudge does is funciton as a search engine that finds stories he believes Conservatives will like. He doesn't report although he does a form of editorialising with his headlines. Yes it is definately Conservative but but has little content of its own.
AOL still exists?
Here's a classic example: on realclimate.org, the "official" Gore/Fenton global warming blog where the High Priests of the Church of Climatology like Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt, Stephen Schneider and Joe Romm hold court, comments which in any way challenge or express doubt with regard to AGW orthodoxy vanish in the blink of an eye. No dissent allowed. By patent contrast, climate-skeptic blogs such as McIntyre's climateaudit and Watts' wattsupwiththat welcome comments from Algoreans, with the rebuttals thereto forming the basis of *debate* (a concept alien to liberals, because they believe they possess all Truth).
Another monkey spitting out banana pieces.
lol, pretty much what I was trying to say, but stayed on the point that I knew he hadn't hit 50 yet
yea, waa waa is his calling card – arrggg
Facts, I just posted EASILY gotten facts ( the kid could have/should have read FreeRepublic's home/cover page ) and he would have escaped being "educated" by me.
Barry. like ALL Dems and Socialists is just a whiny baby. They all need to grow up !
1) you are a liberal,……or a conservative – whichever is more convenient at the time. Every article you write is going to get you relabled as one or the other so long as fallacy revealing blogs are either conservative or liberal in nature. Its not fair, but thats the game.
2) There isn't contrary research, most of the "talk piece" comments found here end up agreeing with you but in such a way as to resort to name calling against liberals in general – once again, you're in a conservative blog you kind of just have to expect that behavior.
3) On this point, and this is just my humble opinion, while the tea party is only a slice of conservativism the ones i have talked to, while very incluse and very well reasoned, tend to see themselves as the last bastion of "true conservativism" – so that will skew opinions.
4) good luck with that.
Not sure it will ever happen, look at billy bob!! peter pan in living breathing color! lol
This is mental derangement and well known as "a case of arrested development".
Sadly, it's also a cultural phenomenom…………..
For the past 40 years, we ( well, not me but others ), as a nation, have accepted infantilizing what was once considered ADULTHOOD. There was a time, really not all that long ago, when one reached a majority at the age of 21……………..meaning that anyone 21 years old and up were an ADULT; no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Sl.owly, that age has been raised and raised, though many now, sadly want to allow children with adult rights, but NO responsibilities for their actions.
I know a lot of young people, many who voted for dumbama. A year and a half later, they are feeling like fools and wishing they had paid better attention!
I also know a lot of older people who spend hours on the internet every day. They too are learning the truth about Dumbama!
As a conservative, I post a lot at HuffPost. I love to get a trail of responses from my posts. But I am on my fifth screen name/password. For some reason I am periodically banned from HP and have to start over.
I also notice my best writings don't pass the moderators' scrutiny, usually when the subject is race or other PC subjects.
I don't see where liberals benefit more than conservatives on the web. As mentioned above, it is the youth that dominate the internet, and they don't vote that much.
Youth doesn't "dominate" most right leaning sites at all.
Where are you getting your stats from?
FWIW, almost all of the right/conservative sites that I have ever been on/read, are dominated by the middle aged and old; who are the demographics which always vote.
I think so too. As we see how our country is being ruined, we are trying to do what we can where we can to save our country – including the web. We have to keep it up to get the word out to those who listen to conservative talk radio, read conservative sources, or watch Fox News in order to learn what is really going on.
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