The Ohio Free Press, an independent online news source run by liberty-minded citizens, has its sights fixed on setting the record straight and is taking aim squarely at one newspaper’s editor.

Two and a half years ago, when readers of the Sandusky Register in Ohio opened the paper on June 25, 2007, many were shocked to find their name, age and county of residence published alongside those of nearly 2,700 other law-abiding private citizens. At the top of the page read only the title, “Sandusky County Concealed Carry List“, accompanied by a menacing graphic with the words “Conceal Carry: Who Needs to Know?” cunningly framed around a gun’s scope. While the page offered no other content or context whatsoever, the lack of such more than set the tone. It may as well have been headlined, “Hey – Fear These Scary Gun-Toting People.”
I spoke with Brian Walker at the Ohio Free Press. He says they wanted to know – without any sort of other context around it, what would have compelled the Register’s managing editor, Matt Westerhold, to publicly disclose this list of everyone in the area who just happens to have a license to carry a concealed handgun. And why, all this time later, are the pages still online, without any sort of explanation for publishing the list printed alongside of it?
But when they asked him, Mr. Westerhold, after first getting another reporter into the room to get on speakerphone with him, replied bluntly, “Absolutely no comment.”
And that was the end of it.
In Ohio, such information is considered confidential and not generally meant to be of the public record. The statute reads in part that “no person shall release or otherwise disseminate records that are confidential under this division unless required to do so pursuant to a court order.” That would otherwise imply that it is against the law to publish it in your newspaper. But in Ohio, language now known as the “media access loophole”, found in Ohio Code 29, Chapter 2923.129 Immunity under section (B)(2)(a), was ambiguous enough to provide the newspaper with a way around the law. That portion of the statute provides that a journalist is permitted to make a written request to a sheriff to view the information, and indicates that the request shall state that disclosure of the information sought would be in the public interest. It further states that “the journalist shall not copy the name, county of residence, or date of birth of each person…”

The provision was intended for instances where a single record might be pertinent to review as check and balance, such as in the aftermath of an actual shooting occurrence, or to verify that training is being properly conducted. As it turned out, the words “shall not copy” apparently aren’t clear or strong enough to exclude a journalist from writing down every one of the records in his notes, or from speaking them into a recording device.
And with that, Mr. Westerhold seized upon that last bit of the language to justify publishing all 2,600 plus records. In the name of public interest and government transparency, of course.
In a follow-up editorial he published only two days later, “It’s about the secrets, not about the gun owners“, Westerhold insisted the newspaper was “taking a stand against government secrecy.” Somehow, the editor felt that the local government trying to protect the privacy, security and Second Amendment rights of its citizens was being secretive.

Many local residents, citizen activists, associations and business owners were outraged and wrote letters to the editor. Others spoke out and tried to convey to Westerhold the dangerous consequences of his actions. As National Rifle Association spokeswoman Ashley Varner explained, newspapers that publish this information are putting innocent people at unnecessary risk.
There are women who are hiding from abusive husbands or boyfriends. These are single women who may be afraid of stalkers, people who have been attacked previously and are threatened with repeat attacks…People with licenses are the most law-abiding citizens in our country. Less than 2 percent are involved in criminal activity. Criminals do not go through background checks to obtain guns.
And even Ohio Governor Ted Strickland, a Democrat, explained at the time,
Knowledge of who possesses a concealed carry permit may put permit holders at risk of theft attempts,” according to a reply from Strickland’s office to questions about the secrecy provision…(It) may also put those who are not permit holders in greater danger because criminals could know they are not carrying a weapon to defend themselves.
In several follow-ups on the matter, groups like the Buckeye Firearms Association doggedly went after Westerhold, challenging his blatant abuse of his current and former positions with newspapers to openly promote his own anti-concealed-carry agenda. The organization continued on with some creative investigatory work of its own that produced posts such as “It’s About Privacy (& the Sandusky Register Secretly Employing Sex Offenders)” and one in which they published a host of public record information about Mr. Westerhold himself, including his home address, his mortgage financing information, a photo of his house and the car he drives, and information containing a speeding violation. (That action in particular even caught the attention and won the praise of Rush Limbaugh).

Most gun owners, while reluctant, expect a certain level of minimal imposition that makes their permit information publicly available to law enforcement officials in the event of a public safety or security issue, provided there are strict controls on how the information is used and assurances that it will be protected. But the general, blanket publication of this type of information in the media is an entirely different story altogether and is hotly objected, not just by gun advocates, but by advocates for victims of domestic violence, by many law enforcement and public safety officials, and others.
This issue raises very rational objections. Aside from the obvious – these are law abiding citizens who have a Second Amendment right to carry a gun and have gone through the proper registration process to carry it on their persons and in their homes – there are other reasons for privacy concerns. Victims of crime and domestic violence take extra precautions to protect their privacy, and some are likely to be carrying a gun. It’s dangerous to publish any information that would tip off abusers to their victims’ locations, much less their armed status. Others, such as crime witnesses and law enforcement officers are also put at risk when their information is exposed. And citizens of course are put at risk of being burglarized by those seeking to steal guns.
Yet, in recent years, there has been a concerted effort on the part of much of the media establishment that is decidedly liberal to use local Freedom of Information laws to collect and publish information about law-abiding concealed carry permit holders as though they were common criminals. Citizens in most states are completely unaware that the media even has access to such information.
Unfortunately, Ohio isn’t the only state in which concealed carry lists have been openly published in the media. Of the 49 states that permit concealed carry (only Wisconsin does not permit its citizens to carry a concealed weapon, plus the District of Columbia), 28 of those allow public access to the lists of permit holders. Several have restrictions on how journalists may use such information, but many do not. And others have language that is somewhat ambiguous with respect to publication in newspapers. This has left many Second Amendment advocates with the messy undertaking of pressuring state legislators to close loopholes and tighten up legislative language to ensure that citizens with concealed carry permits aren’t treated in the same way as state-registered sex offenders, which is precisely the example to which many of the newspapers have compared the publication of concealed carry lists.
In Arkansas, there is still controversy brewing over the state’s Concealed Carry Privacy Bill that passed last April. After a newspaper published the list of names and zip codes of concealed carry license holders (see below), language was specifically proposed to protect the privacy of these permit holders; but that language was watered down significantly in the final bill. The swing vote in that case was cast as “Present” by state Senator Gilbert Baker, a conservative who is now running against Senator Blanche Lincoln for the U.S. Senate. That instance is making its way back into the news again, especially in light of the current Senate race.

Steve Jones, co-founder of Arkansas Carry, a grass-roots group dedicated to changing Arkansas law, writes about that instance in his most recent article, Arkansas’ CHL Privacy Law, One Year Later.
Of all the opposition that Second Amendment advocates have come up against, it’s actually the establishment media that has often presented the greatest challenge. In a nation where the media is supposed to serve as that additional arm of our system of checks and balance in protecting our constitutional rights, battling one that maintains an obvious position of bias on the issues of gun rights and privacy is not exactly comforting.
- In February of 2009, the Arkansas Times created controversy when editor Max Brantley published a blog post titled “Annals of Gun Nuttery“, in which he provided readers with a full list of names and zip codes of concealed carry license holders in Arkansas. The list has since been removed from the post, but not after creating a stir and unnecessarily putting some in potential danger.
- Also in February of 2009, citizens in Memphis, Tennessee were outraged when the Commercial Appeal published an online database that allows anyone to search for individuals who hold a concealed carry license. Editor Chris Peck later published this explanation, chalking the whole thing up to a learning experience. While he insisted the paper wasn’t trying to infringe upon second amendment rights or invade anyone’s privacy, he likened the public service to that of publishing a sex-offender database, which leads one to believe there’s still a whole lot of “learning” going on over at that paper. Hopefully learning the Second Amendment and the rights of law-abiding citizens.
- In 2007 in Virginia, Roanoke Times editorial writer Christian Trejbal published a piece titled “Shedding Light on Concealed Handguns“, about the process of open government, using permit checks on gun owners as the subject for Sunshine Week. Some of the research process was cumbersome, as he complained, “A state that eagerly puts sex offender data online complete with an interactive map could easily do the same with gun permits, but it does not.” The editorial then included – as “a gift” – the complete database of those permitted to carry concealed handguns, and he proceeded to cherry pick some names, noting whether or not those individuals are ‘packing’ (his language). Two weeks later, the paper published a lengthy apology and removed the database, after receiving thousands of angry letters, samples of which are posted here.
- In Medford, Oregon, Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters denied a request in 2007 from the Medford Mail Tribune for a list of permit holders it intended on utilizing for its newspaper. The request came after a local teacher applied for a permit to protect herself from a violent ex-husband. The paper claimed to be acting on behalf of the public’s interest in ensuring open and transparent government. The sheriff disagreed, citing a security statute, so the paper took him to court. The newspaper’s editor, Bob Hunter, claimed the paper doesn’t plan to publish the list, though there has been a statewide effort in Oregon and elsewhere across the country to do just that. In 2010, the case is still active in the court system. Judges heard the case last month, while anxious permit holders still await the fate of their privacy and security.
- Amongst all the disheartening stories of media outlets behaving in this manner, there is one example that ends well, in upstate New York. In 2008, when editor Ken Tingley and reporter Nick Reisman of the Post-Star solicited multiple county officials for the names of handgun permit holders, they intended on creating an online searchable database of the information on their paper’s website. The Saratoga county clerk, Kathleen Marchione, was reluctant, indicating in emails that she was complying with the paper’s request only because she was required by law to do so. She continued by warning them that publishing such information could jeopardize the safety of residents. Meanwhile, the North Country Gazette had caught wind of the Post-Star’s plans, and filed its own Freedom of Information request to get copies of the Post-Star’s filings and email correspondence. They intervened and turned the tables by making the story about the Post-Star’s intentions, which generated enough public outrage to stop the Post-Star’s publication of the list. To top it off, after the Post-Star tried to deny their intentions, the North Country Gazette went public with the emails. And the Post-Star went silent on the issue. You must read the entire story at the North Country Gazette website.
There are similar concealed-carry confidentiality battles going on in many other states, many of which Buckeye Firearms in Ohio has done a fantastic job of researching and reporting in great detail.

Such actions taken by various media outlets are completely out of proportion with the facts about those who legally own a handgun. Study after study has shown that it’s these individuals who are the most law abiding. Les Jones notes in his post, “Concealed Carry Permit Holders More Lawful Than Most” some great logic behind why this is the case, and also cites some solid studies to back it up. These are citizens who don’t want to lose their permit and therefore obey all the rules that holding a concealed carry permit requires of them. These are also the citizens that are typically the first to step in and save their fellow citizens in the absence of any law enforcement when a real criminal is in the act of committing a violent crime against them.
Gun ownership is a constitutional right. States can and do make it difficult to own a gun, by instituting all sorts of laws and requiring permits and background checks and fees, and setting limits on when you can purchase guns and how many you can get in a period of time, all in the name of the public’s safety. Perhaps some of the rules in some states are sensible. But the bottom line is, the Second Amendment of the US Constitution clearly states, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” We all understand that people care about public safety. But these are citizens who have legally registered their guns, passed all of the background checks, and are following all of the laws. What safety benefits do you really gain if you know that your carpool buddy is packing heat? If anything, stats show you’re probably less likely to be carjacked and killed if someone in that car is armed. Meanwhile, it’s the carjacker who’s pointing an unregistered, unlicensed gun at you whose name and address weren’t published in your community newspaper.

If I have a legitimate permit and I’m obeying the law, the general public should have no more business knowing whether I carry a gun than it does whether I carry mace, whether I carry a large rock in my backpack, or for that matter whether I have a cup of steaming hot coffee in my car. Anything is a weapon. I keep a baseball bat hidden beneath my bed and one under the front seat of my car; should my name and address be published on a list of concealed baseball bat holders so that potential intruders may know that I keep a weapon of self defense?
The guys over at the Ohio Free Press have reinvigorated a story that needs to stay in the public eye. American citizens must be reminded that our constitutional rights are under attack every day. What’s worse is that the attackers themselves are the Fourth Estate — the press — the very institution that is supposed to serve as the people’s vehicle for checks and balances against our own government. It’s no wonder so many refer to the mainstream media these days as the Fourth Branch of government.
When describing the bias that exists on the issue of gun rights, Chad D. Baus, Vice Chairman of Buckeye Firearms Association, and NRA-certified firearms instructor, summed up the issue in a post from July 2009:
While the “right to privacy” is spoken highly of by everyone from adulterous politicians to the ACLU, pro-gun activists across the fruited plain are finding that attitudes among the elites are much different when it comes to exercising one’s right to bear arms for self-defense without the judgmental glare of the ignorant and uninformed. It is clear that, while progress is being made, the fight for concealed carry confidentiality is far from over.
Let’s hope the Ohio Free Press and others like them continue on their mission to call out those in the press who have their own agenda and represent a threat to our liberties. Despite the fact that gun rights is a bipartisan issue, many still view it — and attack anything having to do with guns — as a “right-wing” one. Perhaps that’s why the government’s not banging down my door to take away my baseball bat.

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I like that yard sign;
My neighbor is for Gun Control and does not have any guns in his home. I hearby vow not to assist in the protection of his family and property with the Guns that are here legally in my home. I respect his right to not defend his family.
Excellent article!
Where I come from, gun control is hitting what you aim at.
The first time, all the time.
Well I don't care if they know I carry. There are a lot of us in Fl. If anything does hit the fan because of Odumbo idiots like that editor will be standing there with his johnson in his hand when danger arrives.
If You Have any Doubt About the Results of Gun Control…
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911.
From 1915 to 1917, over 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of over 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, about 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
More…
http://usataxpayer.org/?0079012351
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals
http://usataxpayer.org/?0028068146
Post the address of the publisher and the fact that they don't support concealed carry… Let's see if they are willing to publish that!!
That was one of the best articles on this subject I have ever read. It was well written and informative. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
Excellent article! It is deplorable that members of the media would be as irresponsible as this. These are the same idiots who would defend the privacy of sex offenders and violent criminals who have been released from prison on good behavior. Those on the left are ignorant of the fact that the "bad guys" don't carry weapons legally.
Would these "Progressive" editors print the names of the local prostitutes? Or would they print the names and addresses of the local crack dealers? I've even got a better idea- let's just print the names of all the citizens who have ever gotten a speeding ticket in the past year so we can know whose car we shouldn't step into.
In the end- the left values scum more then they do innocent human life. We see it time and time again. This is just another example of their willful ignorance magnified several hundred times.
You will continue to suffer so long as you TRADE IN a right for a privilege – in this case a "license." You need no license.
[...] Newspapers looking to print names of CCW holders?… [...]
This may have been a good thing for those on the list. Criminals would know that these individuals are armed and would give them a wide birth. It may actually have put those not on the list in harm’s way, because now any criminal can find out who isn't carrying a gun and who is. Sounds like irresponsible journalism at its best.
Here's the putz's picture, so you can all place a face with the name:
http://www2.sanduskyregister.com/blogs/betweenthe...
Notice the soft, sensitive beta-male eyes.
Gun control is like that sheriff down in Florida, "That's all the bullets we had or we would have shot him more. " Only 68 rounds hit the murderer. http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
Good and Informative – I learned somthing. I am forewarding this to others who need to know and I suggest everyone do the same.
One of the more disgusting leftist dirty tricks I've heard about in a while. I hope this schmuck runs into some cheap thug with an unregistered weapon on a dark
"Would these "Progressive" editors print the names of the local prostitutes? Or would they print the names and addresses of the local crack dealers?"
They would likely consider that a public service announcement.
I wish you were right. Though it is not the case. I remember when the list came out in the Roanoke Times a few years ago. Criminals were actually targeting these homes to steal the guns. There is a website (blog?) out there (not sure what it is and, frankly, don't want to know) run by seasoned criminals. It linked to the article and then explained to VA criminals how to wait until the man of the house would leave for the day and then target the stay at home mom/wife and then break in and steal the guns. Terrifying.
Decal on my 80 year old Mom's back door – Warning: Armed American citizens, nothing in here is worth your life". She's kinda of partial to a .20 guage over/under loaded with buckshot and her little Colt .380 semi-auto.
this is much the same attitude the press has been expressing about the recent SCOTUS decision on campaign finance. "We're the anointed ones, so we'll decide who gets to enjoy which rights, privileges & privacies."
not surprisingly, this is much the same attitude that is killing their industry. smart business model- treat your customers as stupid, violence-prone poltroons…
Note to self: stop with the procrastination and get "packing."
Better off alive and sorry than dead in an alley. I'm armed, trained, and without sympathy for those who die when defiling, property that is not theirs especially threatening harming anyone in order to do so. You know kind of like the Odumblo admin.
I went into the booth today with the intention to vote for Perry. I must have been in an anti-incumbent mood, because something made me pull the Medina lever instead. Maybe some others conservatives did the same.
Wisconsin has "open carry" and Illinois is so convoluted I wouldn't risk my FOID card trying to follow it.
We need to keep working toward having our 2nd Amendment rights properly recognized.
And remember: GUN CONTROL MEANS HITTING YOUR TARGET!
This was an excellent article. Thank you for posting this. My gripe with the editors of newspapers that would publish a list of LAW ABIDING citizens just because they have a permit to carry a concealed weapon is this: there is real evil in the world and there is really no need to invent it. And being in the business they are in, they know this. All they have to do is read the last story of a drive by shooting or the teacher that molested a student in the school lavatory. These things really do happen. If they publish my name, I'll sue and take them to court for slander, libel and anything else my lawyer(s) can find. It's time that LAW ABIDING citizens stop being treated as criminals just because these left wing nutjobs don't want their criminal friends shot through the head in the act of molesting a child or raping a woman or breaking into someone's house to steal their property. And I've seen enough criminal behavior by liberals, heard enough lies from their mouths to know why they do stuff like this. The country is a mess because of the liberal agenda and it's time it stops. Now.
The new liberal tactic: "outing" anyone who disagrees with you. It's time to "out" the liberals, in all possible literal and figurative interpretations.
This is a sign of desperation. The gun grabbers have been consistently losing the battle for the last several years. The courts and legislatures have largely turned against them, not out of conviction but out of the fear of electoral defeat. So they turn to social and professional ostracization. The idea is simply to get gun owners' friends, neighbors and employers to shame people into relinquishing their guns and permits.
The use of such information by criminals is seen by gun grabbers as "an unfortunate side effect" at best. More likely, they'll think that gun owners brought such crime down onto their own heads.
Despicable.
From what I heard Medina say herself, she shot herself in the foot, with no help from Beck. Unless you consider the opportunity to make a fool of herself help.
ok, here's what you do…
Publish the photograph of this person. Post it everywhere, with the tag 'hates sun owners, loves criminals'.
What he did was flat out evil. It was meant to bring harm to those who are just protecting their sphere of influence.
This is why the State Controlled Media is hated and distrusted.
It's also why it's going out of business…
The only regret I have about having my permit is that I haven't bought a "city gun" yet. You know, one that doesn't make quite such a lump in my clothes. But also, need to hit a range some…
If the first amendment doesn't work, try the second.
What a bully tactic. I agree with the above poster who suggest the publisher who doesn't support gun rights should have his/her info published. Absolutely. Try to 'absolutely no comment' that, dunderheads.
I was just reading a novel where a woman had her finger on the 9 of her cell phone when her attackers closed in on her. Better to have had the finger on the trigger, yes?
I love the message on the shirt of the first image. So blunt, so true.
Double tap
Thank you, fantum.
I'm Armenian and didn't know about Turkey establishing gun control in 1911 (before WW1 it was called the Ottoman Empire).
Before the Armenian Genocide started in 1915 the Turkish Army surrounded towns and villages and searched homes for any weapons which they removed. They of course took any guns, and even took knifes, and would torture anyone that didn’t give up a weapon.
When the genocide started the Armenians were almost completely unarmed. The eastern Armenians were eventually able to get some weapons from the Russians and then fought the Turks. In the last battle to save what remained the Armenians were nearly out of ammo and young men, so the very young and old men, and women, fought and stopped the Turkish army. They fought with the few still available guns, and with knives, axes, pitchforks, and clubs. If they hadn't fought and stopped the Turkish Army in this last great battle no Armenia would today exist.
In the 1990’s Azerbaijan started mass murdering Armenians on the streets of Baku. Weapons started to flow in from Armenia and the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh fought and defeated Azerbaijan to prevent another mass murder of Armenians. Allied with Azerbaijan were jihadi’s sent by Osama bin Laden and Chechen jihadi’s.
Here, in Australia our stricter “gun control” laws are failing us. But criminals love it.
You should post a sign, "THIS house is defended by a well controlled firearm. THAT house isn't. Choose carefully."
I agree that this paper acted in a despicable manner, and I'm glad to see the editor get a taste of his own medicine. I understand the need for privacy and fully support gun ownership and permit confidentiality laws. But I do wonder if notifying the public that thousands of people have gun carry permits in such a graphic and controversial fashion hasn't put the fear of God (and guns) into a lot of potential criminals. If everybody openly carried guns, I think a lot of people would think before attacking. And they would probably be nicer in traffic, too.
Where can I get that T-shirt? Seriously.
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This one's for you Cowboy.
I went to the range last Sunday to keep my skills up to date.
My idea of "gun control" = AR15 + An Aimpoint Red Dot Sight @ 100 yds. utilizing an "off hand" standing position.
The three rounds on top are the first three fired before "sighting in" and adjusting the new sight.
http://www.screencast.com/users/GooDDaDDy/folders...
"Come and take them"
-King Leonidas-
Not Over.
We could publish the names and addresses of those who refuse to own a firearm. The libs should appreciate our helping the poor downtrodden robber know which house is safe to rob and which one to avoid if he wants to continue to draw a breath.
They'll have a hard time getting my neighbors to shame me. They still drive their trucks with full gun racks in the window around here. LOL! Crime is virtually non-existent out here on the fringe.
Why do I have to live in the only state that doesn't allow concealed carry? WHY?
I'm gonna start pushing my state politicians for this.
Love it. Thankfully, such signs are protected by the First Amendment…
It's a very counter-productive approach. Such behavior is why Americans resist gun registration. Thank God I live in Texas which has a very faithful view of the Second Amendment – if a newspaper pulled a stunt like that here, the publisher would rightfully get beat like a circus monkey (except maybe in Austin).
One line in the article made me wonder – -
"gone through the proper registration process to carry it on their persons and in their homes"
Perhaps it is different from state to state, but when and where does a U.S. citizen have to go through a registration process for their home?
Guns are not 'registered' to an individual in all states.
Wait until you Health Records are in that Federal Health Care database.
(heheheh)
Good idea. A /really/ big sign. Put it up just before they get home from work. Face it so they can see it as they drive up.
Here's an idea. Why don't they list all of those locals that refuse to have guns in the house? That way the thugs will know which houses to rob, rape and murder.
I notice that Matt Westerhold is not on that list. I wonder if he realizes that a list of CCW holders is a de facto list of non CCW holders. What are the odds that Mr. Westerhold owns a firearm and possesses the competency to use it? Do you think he realizes the danger to which he subjected himself and all other residents of Sandusky County not on that list? A burglar or other violent criminal would have an easy time identifying targets that are likely unarmed.
In communities where the majority are devotees of the RKBA, it's true that such tactics are doomed to failure. And thank God for that.
In the more purple or blue areas of the country, it's a different story. Gun owners often have to live like humans hiding from Skynet.
Heh. My friend has a rabid gun control freak living next door. He put up a sign that he had made recently, that showed one of his target silhouettes with 5 rounds dead center mass in a tight grouping and one through the forehead. The text he had added was "There is nothing in this house worth dying for. Try next door."
When reading some of the quotes, these morons were equating a CC permit to sex offenders because sex offenders have a database to search and gun owners do not. I am not saying I want anything bad to happen to these peoples families, but sometimes it takes a horrible situation to bring idiots like this around. "There are no Atheists in foxholes" as they say.
Here you go…
Matt Westerhold
472 Sheffield Way
Sandusky, OH 44870
(419) 502-6476
You can thank former Governor RINO Robert Taft for including the loophole in Ohio's CCW bill. He only agreed to sign it after the loophole was added. Idiot!
Here I am baby, come and take me. Nothing as satisfying as helping a liberal activist meet that great Obama in the sky (or down below), except maybe a Snickers after you're done.
Thats good shooting.
I like your photo. Nice artwork.
As an aside, have you ever shot 4×8 sheets of plywood? At 1,000 yards?
I love that idea, that's fantastic.
That's my kind of sheriff. I wish I could entice him to my town.
Ditto that. Have gun but not conceal and carry, which is legal where we live. Gotta get packing.
Great post! The T-shirts etc. say it all.
While having firearms legal and available can be a problem when criminals and the irresponsible in society get their hands on them, said problem is far outweighed by the Fear of God so many of US having guns puts into potential enemies within and without…We all know who they are….
The 2nd Amendment IS the ultimate weapon in the Bill Of Rights arsenal..
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Libs don't like the Second Amendment.
It's too close in proximity to the First
That gun control shirt is incredible. I encourage every Conservative woman that attends a liberal univ to get one and proudly wear it on campus.
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Photos would help as well.
im gonna get a gun.
As wel they should be–they are the ones most responsible for stirring the pot.
Thanks for the link. It is a good thing it didn't happen last year. AG Holder would have taken that on himself and made sure somebody paid.
I would like to see how this works in Kennesaw Georgia. This is a requirement for citizenship into that crime free community. Posting this information is an evil witch hunt, not that you will be in imminent danger, rather, when they impose yearly registration fees, insurance fees and taxes. Brace yourselves…
It's the NAZI press. Remember that the first thing Hitler did before he took over was to disarm the public and also make lists of people with guns and other such things.
These neo-NAZIs in the press are simply following their Fuhrer.
I suggest that someone investigate the newspaper owners and their reporters. Out them, uncover and publish any scandals in their private lives, and, as they are doing, publish their names, addresses and phone numbers. It's a free country – at least for now.
For all who think they are conservative but think it is OK for the government to force you to register your guns, this is a very small example of what could happen. It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS if I want to own a gun.
I'm surprised someone tried this in TN and AR. What a joke!! If I had to guess I'd say the average household in AR had at least 4 guns, and that's averaging between those with only one or two and those with small-medium arsenals.
We need a website that posts the names and addresses for all people who want gun control!
I have one of those on my work van that contains about 10K of tools. Just to let the potential perp know that I practice gun control by hitting EXACTLY what I aim at.
I have a few original articles posted at Ohio Free Press, BTW.
http://www.ohiofreepress.com
Hey! That's no "artwork" C.L. I just scanned the target and did a screen capture on it.
No cheating now.
"As an aside, have you ever shot 4×8 sheets of plywood? At 1,000 yards?"
Ah no. But I have called in airstrikes at 2,000 yrds heh.
Not Over.
I LOVE THESE RULES !!!
Rules for a Gunfight
Anonymous
1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap – life is expensive.
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket."
10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. Have a plan.
13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
16. Don't drop your guard.
17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)
19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".
25. You can't miss fast enough to win.
Reminds me of the woman in Florida who, when asked why she shot the criminal 6 times, answered, "Because when I pulled the trigger the 7th time, it just went click."
No charges filed.
Say my friend, I wasn't questioning the target.
I was congratulatiing and complimenting you on the good shooting.
In Alaska, you don't need a permit to carry concealed. An armed society is a polite society.
Your neighbor has a disagreement with you over the extent to which guns should be regulated so you would let his family be harmed? That is borderline coercion, and it is this kind of glib disregard for other people that makes your movement look so bad.
17% didn't cut it
Remember…guns don't kill people, bullets do.
Yep. Actually that's a "danger" list for the baddies. It's open season on everyone else.
The Right to Keep AND Bear Arms SHALL NOT be Infringed.
The word 'shall' is a legal term of art noting an imperative . . . laws making it difficult to carry your firearm are therefore unconstitutional.
Metrosexual.
Read the article again…apparently you missed the point…
Stones, glass houses, and all that…
boycott their advertising and tell them why.
Didn't you put this up before, TBM…?
Seems like I've seen this here before…not that its any less relevant…
I'm in for a vote for #21…
The newspapers are performing an important service; not all gun owners post incoherent 200,000-word screeds on their blogs letting the rest of us know they're unhinged
Yeah, and If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?
HI-DOH=CORRUPT – March 2nd, 2010 at 9:58 pm
MEDINA FOR TEXAS GOV. Ignore the hit job carried out the by FOREIGN OWNED FOX HIT-MAN BECK.
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Sorry, cupcake. Medina shot herself in the foot, as most of us heard for ourselves. Can’t spin that one! And if you didn’t watch the news, Perry is the Republican nominee, no runoff. Education is a beautiful thing.
Gun Control = two hands, good stance.
Just remember, everyone…
Its not just the weapon…its you…
YOU have to be able to understand the stress you'll be under, the way time dilates and contracts in that situation, and how you will react to it…
YOU will also have to be able to live with the decision, because you will have to re-live it frequently throughout your life…
YOU have to be ready for the fact that the larva you are about to put in the dirt has friends and family, and besides the little kids without a parent that the news will show everyday, every one of the others will try to get you either through the courts, or up close and personally…
YOU must be prepared beforehand to have retained the lawyer the cops use to defend themselves in shootings…they know the ropes and what is needed for your defense…and YOU NEED TO LEARN THESE WORDS…
1. "I was in fear for my life…"
2. "My lawyer who represents me is ___ …"
YOU SAY NOTHING ELSE, EVER, until your lawyer interviews you…and is present for any questioning…EVER…
Don't be afraid to protect your life…but be prepared to deal with the decision and its repercussions…
Practice under stress…run for a short distance before firing…shoot while prone, kneeling, and standing…shoot at targets that move…shoot at targets while lying on your back…draw and shoot just as someone blows an air horn right behind your head…learn to look around you while keeping your eye on a target just in case he has buddies…learn not to put your finger inside the trigger guard until your weapon is up and aimed at the target…learn how to deal with a misfire with your particular weapon…learn how your local cops will want to deal with you when your armed and having just been involved in a gunfight…have a plan on how you and the family will deal with a home invader, a bolt room with a tight entrance and a nice hallway to "channelize" the invader if he approaches, and TELL the 911 Operator you and yours WILL NOT LEAVE the home until a uniformed officer in a marked unit arrives and they call you on the cell to come out; so anyone that might be fleeing the house will pretty much be the perp for the police to intercept…
And practice, practice, practice…as frequently as you can…at all realistic distances…in all weather, especially bad weather…double tap is your friend; anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at twice…make sure your tactical loadout is a stopper,( I use Federal 147gr. Hydra-Shoks, and recommend them), and rotate the rounds out for fresh ones every six months…
And make sure you and the Almighty are on talking terms…because, more than likely, it will only be the two of you when it all goes sideways one day…
Make sure YOU are the one that goes home or to the hospital alive when its over…
MEDINA FOR TEXAS GOV. Ignore the hit job carried out the by FOREIGN OWNED FOX HIT-MAN BECK. Medina is the only true conservative that is 100% for property and gun rights. Texas has a $15 billion budget deficit over the next budget period and it’s growing. Perry’s record is spotty at best. The run up on oil prices during 2008 provided a lift in sales taxes into the state fund. Perry has not presented the truth about the state's fiscal condition. The Trans Texas Corridor was a direct assault on private property rights. And just how can you call yourself a conservative then shove the Gardasil forced injections down peoples throats? That was a huge blunder and a disgrace, completely corrupt, pure lobby kick-back scheme. For those two reasons alone, Governor Goodhair will NEVER get my vote.
Debra Medina is going to shock the media and lots of Texans as well.
I don't think that Illinois allows concealed carry permits… only law enforcement. So, Wisconsin is not the only state that does not allow it.
Defend the Constitution from our enemies, foreign or domestic <—-the media. Ministers of propaganda will be the first to be torched in any future civil war.
Gun control is a tight shot group!
The words she said came from her mouth, not Beck's. However, go ahead and blame him for her losing if it makes you feel better.
Our movement would look bad to you no matter what we do. Besides, we only have a glib disregard for liberals, who have proven to have a glib disregard for us.
If these libtards would have tried this in Wyoming they would have got hot lead instead of hate mail.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
They ATE alot of them too!
I'm all for publishing the names, addresses, phone numbers, and childrens names & ages of the gunless publishers who publish info on concealed weapons permits.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Gun control is what happens when the mentally ill are led by the criminally insane..
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Can we get a list of all the editors and reporters (and their home addresses, of course) who work for those publications?
I'm sure they wouldn't mind the information being made public.
He's definitely a sex offender! What a drip.
What, would you have rather the MSM come out with the information later so they could embarrass Medina against the Democrat nominee? Better to know now about ALL the skeletons then if she is still your gal, go for it.
my neighborhood fell into the dumps due to economic circumstances. I am surrounded by pit bull owners that don't know the first thing about leash laws, much less fencing.
Let them know I carry a gun. I don't care. I have to sit on my porch with it, anyway, just to have a cup of coffee.
You are driving me crazy. Your statement " – these are law abiding citizens who have a Second Amendment right to carry a gun and have gone through the proper registration process to carry it on their persons and in their homes –" implies that if you haven't gone through the proper registration process then you aren't a law abiding citizen. If you need a license you don't have a right. You have fallen for the centuries old political trap of allowing the basis for the discussion to be changed.
The Second Amendment is very clearly worded just like the rest of the BIll of RIghts.
One of the reasons I quit the NRA is because of their push for concealed carry license laws. By doing so they agreed with the anti-gun groups that you need a license to keep and bear arms.
The part that continues to agrivate me, and that very few people make a point of, is that the 2nd amendment gives the people the right to KEEP and BARE arms. For public school educated folks that means OWN and CARRY. Somewhere along the line liberals intepreted that to mean OWN AND OWN.
Also they keep trying to say that a "well armed militia" means the police and National Guard. That is a COMPLETE LIE. The founding fathers new that the common citizen had to remain armed to keep the government in check. These days, the police and the National Guard are just another arm of the government. So my question is……..who is supposed to THEN keep the government in check? AND……how are we supposed to do that by owning locked up bolt action rifles while the police and National Guard are carrying arsenals.
It's easy to see why the police have seemed to move to gustapo style tactics. The belief now is that if they say 'jump' we're supposed to ask 'how high'? We are told you can never question the police.
HOW IS THAT WHAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED????????
Great article! People who weren't raised around guns don't understand the value of gun ownership – they just think "redneck" or "criminal" – this information should be available in colleges.
So when do they have the follow-up story listing all the homes and businesses that have security alarms?
Oh and my apologies for using the wrong bear……(bare) LOL
This is why I am much more in favor of Vermont or Alaska style conceal carry laws. It's illegal to carry if you're a felon but you don't need a permit. Of course normal laws still apply… just because you can carry a gun, doesn't mean you are allowed to use it irresponsibly. Unlike what most anti-gun people think, owning (and carrying) a gun does not make you a dangerous criminal.
Yes sir…..
Very nice advice…thanks for the info!!!!
And this kind of BS is exactly why I will not get a permit. The old fashion way is better.
Thank you for the excellent article, and for the references to Buckeye Firearms Association. The fight over concealed carry confidentiality and Ohio's media access loophole has indeed been intense.
Indeed, the list in the Sandusky Register wasn't even Westerhold's first time. In 2004, as editor of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram, he also publish a list of license-holders in that newspaper.
One thing to note: At the time Mr. Westerhold accessed the lists of license-holders for publishing in the Register, a modification to the media access loophole had already been passed by the Ohio legislature and signed by the governor in House Bill 9, but had not yet taken effect (see "General Assembly's first attempt at Media Access Loophole fix", http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/3468, December 28, 2006).
This modification included the language referred to in the article, which still allows the media to "view" the list, but prohibits a journalist from making any copies of same. Passage of this law is likely one of the reasons Westerhold was motivated to do the data grab when he did – just before the new law took effect. It was, quite simply, a temper tantrum.
Another temper tantrum by Ohio media (represented by the Ohio Newspaper Association) came in the form of a challenge to the meaning of the word "copy," which eventually had to be settled by the state attorney general. (See Revealed: Media planned to defy General Assembly on private records AGAIN, http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/4061, 11/26/2007)
Since the changes reflected in House Bill 9, which prohibit making copies of the list, we are unaware of any media outlets having attempted to publish a list of Ohio concealed handgun license-holders.
Thanks again for the excellent article!
Well-written article, but the silly demotivational posters ruined the tone. I'd suggest next time to choose pictures that are relevant to the attitude you want to convey.
This is a great argument for CCW without the government paper work….except for the Bill of Rights which are displayed in the nation's capital for all to see.
Layers of additional paper work only dilutes the Right.
If it is people like you who support this unknown that is good enough reason for me to find someone else for whom to vote. Your weak editorial comment about Glenn Beck makes me believe you are just a lefty troll with some other agenda for wanting Medina to win the election. From what I can tell she has not a chance and like all thirds in American politics can only spoil it for someone, In this case probably Hutchison. So you will get Perry who you claim to not want in the position. Brilliant just brilliant. Ross Perot would be proud.
Oh come on! Medina is a 9/11 kook. And your a troll.
Thanks for linking to the information we let Arkansas gun onwers know about!
Illinois does not have any form of carry, so there are only 48 states that allow people to carry – assuming they can actually get a permit.
Publishing the names and addresses of all these noose-peeper people who carry would be a good idea. And if their bodyguards carry, them as well.
And if these noose-peeper people are perverts, they must also be outed.
Great article!
Ring that bell Liberty Chick ,loud and often. Great example of the citizens doing the work LSM won't do. I had heard of this but was not aware that so many states could or have posted the names. I'll be sure to share with others in GA and NC and will forward to Georgia Carry .Org.
For true security, don't invest in gold. Invest in lead.
"Of the 49 states that permit concealed carry (only Wisconsin does not permit its citizens to carry a concealed weapon, plus the District of Columbia)"
IL does not have a conceal carry for everyday citizens.
I used to work in a museum that had a "Gun-Free Zone" sign at the entrance. I casually mentioned to the director that it is the same as saying "We're completely helpless against any criminals" and our visitors may feel safer if the sign says "All the employees are armed. If you plan cause any trouble tell us how to contact your next of kin so they can pick up your body and mop up your splattered brains". A week later the "Gun-Free Zone" sign was gone so I considered it a partial victory.
That's why the "shall issue" amendments are being attached…it takes that "maybe" out of the permitting process…
With nice copper jackets and brass hulls…
I forgot to add this to my comment from upthread…
DO NOT have any signs or stickers like "We shoot first", ANYWHERE on your personal property…the perps lawyer WILL TRY TO HANG YOU WITH PREMEDITATION when you shoot his client…
A T-shirt, maybe…just don't wear it around in the public view…
I was one of those "outed" by the Roanoke Times in 2007, and I'm still pissed off about it three years later. But I would have been a whole lot more pissed had their online (searchable!) database contain my updated home address, but it didn't as I had moved a couple miles away since receiving my CCW, and Virginia law didn't require the re-issuance of the permit for such things (it is connected to your driver's license however, so if you are pulled over, the officer already knows you have a CCW).
Other Virginia newspapers published this information, but in thier papers, and didn't make an online, searchable database like this maggot did. Gun owners did get on the ball here, getting personal information of the "reporter", thier editors, etc., as well as contacting all thier newspaper's advertisers. And credit where credit is due, then Gov. Kaine blocked the lists from being released afterwards.
If something had happened to my family because of that…..
Chris
Just found out ,it's against the law to do that here in GA
Wake up America ! In the Socialism handbook , the first phase to government controling all aspects of ones life is to take away the right to bear arms. Our founding fathers recognized this ..thus the Second Amendment. Stalin , Mao , Castro and all other Socialist Leaders also recognized it. During the Rodney King Los Angeles riots all the liberal anti- gun friends of Charlton Heston were calling him up to see if he could loan them a weapon . When the chips are down all anti weapon bozos wish they were packing a 45 instead of of their tofu and latte.
American Christian Infidel
In New York State you have to have a permit to keep a pistol in your home. It's a 4 to 8 month process of background checks to get it. You can be denied for any reason, or no reason at all. In New York City, it's virtually impossible to get a pistol permit unless you're a celebrity or VIP.
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The real reason for concealing the identities of concealed handgun license holders is to hide the fact that CHL holders commit crimes as often as anyone else. And their crimes are more often deadly.
You people have to be crazy to want to live in a country where you cannot be safe without carrying a gun everywhere you go.
This is just more "THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS" progressive B.S. They want what they want and don't care who or what gets hurt in the process. Than is until they spit in your face and you kick their ass then they Lawyer up and sue because you violated their right to spit! They want you to overreact because the MSM will always fall on the side of the Progressives so will the ACLU. Keep on point and they can't win the arguement, you can tell because as soon as you make a point that their little red book doesn't cover they resort to their "IST" list (RACIST, FASCIST,etc…). Sorry drifted there!
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
Priceless!
Hello, I was wondering if you might really do just this and not have another “normal” job? This isn’t just like a part time second job is it? I actually don’t need to work a normal job anymore. Truly.
Great article.
The article is NOT accurate as NJ is a state that does NOT legally permit citizens to carry a conceled weapon. NJ is also controlled by a bunch of corrupt SOB’s.
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the notion that people who hate guns love criminals is more retarded than the average gun nut. i hate guns AND criminals, and gun-toting criminals most of all! you people boast so loudly and stupidly of your love for guns, and usually support bush-era invasions of privacy against the public at large, under the trusty old mongoloid "HEEZ MAH PREZZY-DENT, RIGHT-R-WRONG" mentality, yet are ashamed that your names, as included in records of gun-toting apes, might be made public? i check in on Faux News and Rush "Hindenberg" (flaming nazi gasbag) Limbaugh from time to time, but based on the comments here, i must be missing something. This can't just merely be parroting what your right-wing propagandists have told you to think.
i've had guns pointed at me before. how am i still around? i didn't foolishly reach for my belt or pocket, provoking my would-be attacker to fire right away. if i'd had a gun and tried to use it, i'd be dead now. idiots. try being in a real situation sometime, then get back to me. not that many of you would survive such a thing; it's doubtful you'd have a habit of walking around with your eyes open. again, idiots.
Post a list of Concealed Carry Permit carriers is fine with me. It lets the bad guys know who not to mess with. I am an old fart that is not gonna be a victim.
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Uhhh….Are you aware of what a fear of firearms equates to? Also,"hate" for an inanimate object can also be a symptom of a much larger problem.
Please get well and stay safe
So, why is it Barnone's responsibility to protect his neighbors when they won't man up and do it themselves? Why should he put himself on the line for them, risking life and limb when they themselves have chosen to neuter their defenses? Is not his first priority to defend _his_ family? I know personal responsibility is gauche and all, but still…
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for for those who don't." – Thomas Jefferson
Yeah I totally stole the idea for my own house, sans the "try next door". It's sitting right next to my security company sign in my garden. I haven't had any arguments with any of my neighbors over gun control, so I didn't feel the need to add the snark.
FSR … If the "Progressive" editors printed the names of the local prostitutes – they would have to print the name of the "Johns" that patronize them … which means the "Progressive" editors would lose their jobs!!!
… and all the obama lovers would be ANGRY and blame it on Bush!
Most self defence laws state you can use deadly force to protect your life or your famlies lives and property. Shoot a bad guy in your neighbors house or yard and you may face murder or manslaughter charges. You want to take that risk for someone who gives you a hard time about your guns?
In Atlanta, a city where approximately a third of households contain guns, a study of 197 home-invasion crimes revealed only three instances (1.5 percent) in which the inhabitants resisted with a gun. Intruders got to the homeowner's gun twice as often as the homeowner did.
In a study of firearm-related deaths in homes in Seattle and surrounding King County, Washington, over a seven-year interval, more than half of all fatal shootings in the county took place in the home where the firearm involved was kept. Just nine of those shootings were legally justifiable homicides or acts of self-defense; guns kept in homes were also involved in 12 accidental deaths, 41 criminal homicides and a shocking 333 suicides.
A subsequent study conducted in three U.S. cities found that guns kept in the home were 12 times more likely to be involved in the death or injury of a member of the household than in the killing or wounding of a bad guy in self-defense.
So yes, it *seems* like a gun would be good for self defense, especially to people who percieve the world as a dangerous place from which they need protection. But in practice, in the real world, it doesn't work out so well.
So good luck with your guns, y'all. I really hope you're in the few percent who actually do use it to defend yourselves, rather than get shot with it.
Some years ago a local paper decided to publish the names of prostitutes and johns arrested in the area. They decided to stop when it became apparent that the prostitutes whose names appeared most frequently experienced a marked increase in business( True Story). Their expose had unforseen consequences. It would be interesting to know how many murders were committed by people on the lists this boob and other editors chose to publish. I would venture to say…NONE!!! They have simply proven what 2nd Amendment advocates have been saying all along. They have struck a powerful blow for the 2nd Amendment.
Welcome…!
I have a sign in my T-bird. It is basicly a person ouline target with concentric rings. The caption is "Nothing Inside Is Worth Dying For". Got it from my friend who's on ebay as Catfish Creek, and I punctuated the sign using a full clip from my pistol.
Defend your rights, your right to privacy for concealed carry is extremely important. Bad legislative control, the voters booth. Violent criminal control, Desert Eagle Mark VII chambered for 41 magnum, 8" barrel, 210 grain simiwadcutter, 1000 fps., laser sight, 4 mags. Concealed permit, S&W model 57, 4" barrel, 41 magnum. Teach your wife to shoot.
Great article — love it. Love the pics of chicks with guns, it's the truth. It's a woman's issue and middle class issue to be able to protect oneself.
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Wise words, my friend. I'm looking into getting my fiance a good handgun and was wondering if you have any advice. She goes to school on a high risk campus, and I'm going to be away for several months training, so I want her to have more protection than pepper spray.
Who do journalists, who LIVE by the First Amendment, believe will fight to keep freedom alive if they dismantle the Second? How long do they think it would be in a "gun free" United States before those who would still possess them — criminals and the government — would turn them on the weak and force control? I abhor violence but it feels like that "Second American Revolution" might start with a BANG and not a whimper if these [people don't grow some common sense.
Sarah Palin in 2012! The world's supposed to end then anyway…
Go back to Media Madders
If you post a sign like that in your yard, you clearly have no problem letting people know you are carrying a gun. While your unabashed willingness to passively let your neighbor suffer is twisted and disturbing, the question that remains is, why does it matter if the newspaper publishes your name on a list of concealed weapons carriers? Then you wouldn't even need a sign.
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I could care less if my name is published for owning a carry permit. It means the smart crooks will stay away from me. I believe I can deal with the stupid ones.
He gave the exact same answer she did when the USA Today asked him about his positions relating to Global Warming???LOL at the BECK kool-aid kids. Have you noticed BECK spends NO time talking about the Saudi influence over at the White House? Hmmmmmmmm
Wah.
Ah, yes. The Kellerman study, right? Even Kellerman (eventually) stated that his study did not control for people with extensive criminal records. And, IIRC, Seattle and King County were then, and still are pro-gun control, so proper carry and use is descouraged, and the number of victims high.
I do not know any thing about Atlanta.
I've "used" a gun twice in self defense. Without firing a shot. Where are these "no shot stops" in your statistics? How can they be listed at all, as I did not bother to report non-events?
You are aware that the police are 11X more likely to shoot someone who should not have been shot?
http://www.guncite.com
Look up "More Guns, Less Crime". John Lott's study was far more extensive than Kellerman's.
Or have pull.
For the criminals that do not read news papers.
After posting all the names of the CCW holders, post the name of all those people who DON'T carry. Then we'll see who the criminals target as their next victim…
Well a fundamental question which I'm not able to establish is are concealed carry permits truly confidential? Yes it may be uncomfortable for those with them to be known, but why should they be any more special than other types of permits? I think that states may create provisions for requests to keep them confidential with special compelling reasons, but the default seems that, especially important a thing as traveling with a concealed weapon in public needs to be public record. There are little if any restrictions on personal ownership on personal property, and also fairly easy to obtain permits to open carry if necessary at all. But what I see in the area where I'm from is people getting concealed carry for no reason. This is to allow them to carry concealed in a public venue… just cause. Which is their right, I suppose. But why then am I, also in a public venue, not supposed to know who these people are? Why do I have to compromise my concerns of firearms in the public to accommodate the desire of someone wanting to carry concealed? There's little to no support that carry conceal reduces crime in general or stop crime from occurring. At what point is enough in the personal arms race of firearms?
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So, this jerkwater paper printed this list because it had exhausted all other public service lists such as convicted sex offenders (with addresses) and solicitors of prostitution?
As an update to this story, The Post Star newspaper, which is the locla paper in my area, is now trying to deny that their FOIL request ever even happened in the first place. I emailed Editor Ken Tingley late last week, and his response to my inquiry of what happened to the names of the permit holders (of which I am one) was one sentence consisting of "Not true. We do not have the names." So far my emails I have sent asking him to clarify this have gone unanswered.
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Fascinating…and I agree with all of it. Keep up the great work…I will undoubtedly be back shortly
I wasn’t attempting to become racist.. I’m keen to state details.. I reside in reality not only a wonderland..
forget about it the following is a thing fascinating
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