First, take a look at this story, which appeared today in Foreign Policy:
This week marked the international coming-out party for a new media organization that could upend the sacred cows of traditional journalism. Wikileaks, an Internet-savvy investigative journalism outfit, released a video showing an American Apache helicopter open fire on a group of men, killing two Reuters employees, along with 10 other people, on July 12, 2007.
“There was no threat warranting a hail of 30mm [caliber gunfire] from above,” says Anthony Martinez, a former U.S. Army noncommissioned officer who has watched thousands of hours of aerial footage of Iraq.
Now watch the video:
The video was sensational, and it exploded online Monday — it’s since gotten more than 2 million views on YouTube and prompting a follow-up story by the New York Times.
Many viewers were undoubtedly encountering Wikileaks for the first time, though the organization was launched in December 2006. The site, which is funded by private donors and does not accept government or corporate funding, encourages would-be whistleblowers to upload incriminating material anonymously on its website. The small editorial staff verifies submitted documents, decrypts or translates them when necessary, and then publishes them in full — often with commentary.
This is not to imply that Wikileaks’ editors are merely passive distributors of their sources’ information. They cultivate and protect anonymous sources, verify submitted materials, add context, and promote important leaks… The whole story cost the organization about U.S. $50,000, according to Julian Assange, the site’s co-founder.
Assange describes Wikileaks as pioneering a revolutionary model for bringing previously hidden material to light. “The mainstream press is, per capita, not competitive with Wikileaks in terms of sourcing,” he says.
The writer, Jonathan Stray, who makes it clear that Wikileaks times its releases for “maximum political impact,” concludes:
… Wikileaks’ disregard for gag orders and their unabashed advocacy makes full-throated praise for the organization rare. Yet no journalist I’ve spoken to will speak ill of Wikileaks in private: Every reporter understands that Wikileaks is the thin end of the wedge. If they can’t run a dangerous story, no one can.
Be sure to read the entire article, then feel free to comment. Trust me: it’s not as cut-and-dried as it looks.






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Gee, I'm glad Wikileaks wasn't around for Dresden or Tokyo for the firebombing.
Even when <ahref="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Firebombing_leaflet.jpg"> we warned them
Or Hiroshima and Nagasaki…….
Bleeding hearts continue to bleed.
War isn't pretty, or nice, or always surgical.
Motive.
We even dropped these leaflets before the raids.
Yes.
Problem was, they were printed in German…………..
(Tounge in cheek attempt at gallows humor)
I wonder if O'Keefe and Giles submitted their stuff to Wikileaks?
$10 says they got denied if they did, $10 more says Soros is one of those private donors.
Never saw that before, thanks…
Saw the video.
What I saw was bunch of terrorists either bragging about the attack they just carried off, or describing the ambush they were readying, for the benefit of the al-Reuters "journalists."
Where's the "murder?" Where's the "war crime?" I see a group of armed insurgents, with whom these Reuters 'employess' foolishly tagged along. Armed insurgents taken out, foolish journos with them. They gambled and lost. Tough.
That's the risk in a combat zone. Hell, Ernie Pyle was killed in action.
If you're stupid enough to follow "the enemy" to get a "news story" you are very likely to "become" the "news" get over it Reuters your guys were in the wrong place at the wrong time IN A WAR ZONE!
Stop your "poor little me" whining you wussies!
It's called a "war" for a reason!
Quess you have to be more careful about the company you keep.
I say respectfully to our men and women in uniform: For your own safety, watch your step.
This bad PR is an unfortunate fact of life. Get used to it. Information is by nature, hard to control.
And this bad PR hurts you primarily, and everyone else secondarily.
Could you imagine if we had high-tech aerial surveillance during Grant's Overland Campaign? Or on the beaches of Normandy?
War is bloody, and wars in the past have been far bloodier than today. People need to keep things in perspective, and remember what a war is being fought for.
Fix the quote tags in the article please.
MSM always makes it some new act of atrocity when a journalist gets killed. Sad, but was is sad. They want our boys prosecuted and to make the case the IRaq was was unjjst Bush war.
When Nick Berg got his head cut off on video, the MSM sniffed. When Daniel Pearl of the NYT walked into the lions den for an interview and the same thing happened to him — NYT would not rest until they guy was caught. Did they think they had a collaborative arrangement?
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While it's understood that war is neither pretty or easy, these men (and I use the term loosely) are DISGUSTING in their desire to start shooting it up as soon as possible. However they do not leave it at being overeager, they actually start whooping it up over the dead bodies they created, and think that it is funny.
War is serious, choosing to take a life is very serious. These guys are acting like its a video game that they are going to lose if they can not take the shots NOW NOW NOW. In my mind I could picture them throwing their controllers at the TV and running off to pout and cry in their room because they could not "win the game". Purely disgusting, and it makes me wish humanity would die off so some other species could take over. I hope they enjoyed themselves because they have lowered the bar at which people view and respect anyone in the military.
And if the pilot and gunner had waited for the group of "civilians" to take a no-shit "hostile stance" that Apache would be a shomiking hole with a bunch of insurgents dancing a jig around it. Period. We are at WAR!!! People die. As for the language between pilots & gunners, if you don't like it, you try that job for a day or two and see what comes out of your mouth. These guys put their lives on the line day after day and if Wikileaks wants to make them villans then they can go pound rocks.
My apologies, sh*t like this always pisses me off. Its easy to sit on your ass and critique the men and women on the front line when you are too cowardly to join them.
Let me see if I remember the party line mantra about why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"To liberate herart and minds and bring democracy to the muslim world"…………………………..
or
"For the oil in Iraq and to protect the trans-national pipeline traversing Afghanistan".
Take your pick. It onl6y depends upon your party, and your ideology.
Remember, if it fails, the fall-back position is to always blame Bush. You could also throw in the word Halliburton as a smokescreen.
Spoken like a true peacenik. Have you ever been there? If not, then STFU. When the enemy aims a weapon at you, you respond. And when you get him, you're entitled to feel the rush of relief and happiness that you're still alive and he isn't.
Bad PR? No, it's a hitjob: a bunch of leftists trying to SPIN a perfectly legitimate engagement as some sort of atrocity. Are you saying the armed forces should 'get used to' defamation?
"Botched?" BOTCHED? The only guys who botched anything were the nitwit journos who chose to co-locate with the enemy within range of American troops.
The NUMBER ONE PROBLEM IN AMERICA TODAY IS OBAMA BEING AN ILLEGAL PRESIDENT! Currently there is more IGNORANCE to this problem than there is CONCERN! In order for us to solve this problem we must invert! We must make more CONCERN about this problem than there is IGNORANCE!
I guess it should be a shame that our Military Commanders didn't teach our fighting men and women the "verbal etiquette" trolls like you feel is necessary under the duress of war. Simple minds such as yours couldn't hold a candle to the honor and dignity these brave men and women possess, including their families back home who sacrifice just as much on behalf of our country.
Maybe you'd be better served and happier living amongst those poor, innocent insurgents wreaking havoc amongst their own people for the sake of a failed agenda you and your kind desperately seek while sitting on your fat ass passing judgment of something you clearly have no earthly clue about. Morons like you make me puke!!! In your mind………….what an ass!
I blogged about this garbage last night http://mormon-and-athiest.blogspot.com/2010/04/co... As a true die hard backer of all of our armed forces I am sickened by this hit piece by Wiki-whatever and the MSM. Please read my blog entry if you don't want to sit through the 39 minutes of video that shows only our guys doing their jobs. I think I summed up the events rather well.
are you telling me that its "good PR"?!
Don't kill the messenger buddy! You can complain about this and that, but for the sake of our soldiers, the fact is we MUST consider how this plays out on the "Arab Street".
I'm sure our soldiers ALREADY ARE VERY USED TO DEFAMATION. How long ago was Vietnam?
I actually pick both. I've come to understand the relationship between land ownership and freedom.
It's called Demonizing the Enemy, which makes it psychologically easier to kill the enemy.
Wrong place, wrong time.
Their number was up, and it was their day to die.
What is the big deal?
Ohh-rah!
Nice piece of propaganda.
Too bad they don't show the children of American servicemen and women crying after they were murdered by terrorists.
And do they actually expect sympathy for the so called "reporters" when they were hanging out with a gang of murderous thugs?
Boo-frikkin'-hoo.
My son, Matt the Marine, did a tour in A-stan, so I really don't give a flying f*ck for the scum.
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"Arab Street"…?
Why should I even care what the "Arab Street" thinks…?
Aren't they the ones that do this very thing with Semtex belts…?? TO EACH OTHER…???
Not bad shooting from a bunch of paddle-whappers…
Have a friend who flew an Apache in both Iraq wars. Retired and now working as a civilian contractor for the military in Germany. He sent me some gun footage one time. All I can say, is those 30mm rounds sure leave a mark.
Ooh. Profound, I suppose…to you…
To me, its just another day in I-ra-k…
Good guys alive…bad guys dead…good guys go home…
Its called a "WAR", snookums…fan yourself and get over your case of the "vapors"…
I have a young friend who has sent me some things he probably shouldn't have.
A Barrett is a wicked weapon.
Talk about dancin' the Taliban Shuffle………..
"Co-locate with the bag guys, get dead…"
I noticed no-one told the Army they were out playing journalist in an unsecured location…
Strike One…
I noticed they were in a group of "bad guys"…
Strike Two…
I noticed they took up aggressive postures from behind fences while pointing devices down the way, oh, TOWARD where the friendlies came from after the engagement…along the natural threat axis…
Strike Three…
The long wars we've been in have been the most divisive-Korea,Vietnam,Iraq. Do everything to win and end quickly or stay out. If in, draft all. No excuses and no pardons. It's everyone's war or nobodies.
Remember when Carter told Iran that they did not shoot down one of our planes? He told the world we had a top secret plane that sends out false decoy images of our planes and you hit one of those. What a dolt !!!
Jack i have long been a supporter of the everyone draft. As a young man i took real offense to older Americans decideding that young people could die while they continued there lives their jobs and their barbeques. I beleived then and still beleive that a young to old draft would eliminate most adventurism. If you as a ceo must step down to go run a munitions dump in some god forsaken place you would be less likely to support a war. Conversely few would have turned down the call to go to afganistan and anywhere else the war in terror would have taken them in those first few years.
i did see guns in the footage so sucks to be them and sucks to be there wrong place wrong time . sorry but it is called war ,
Thanks for bringing up those 2 victims of those Jihadi bastards. The left seems to forget what they are capable of. A few years back, a roadblock was overrun and 3 Marines were taken captive. One was found facedown in a river a few days later and 2 were left at the side of the road dismembered and booby-trapped. Keep it in perspective, these are not people, but animals, who don't deserve our pity.
LOL, why don't you slap her on the ass and tell her to make some pie while you are at it.
"Why should I even care what the "Arab Street" thinks…?"
Don't!
I don't care what you think.
And you obviously don't care about either the Arab Street or our boys and girls in uniform that we send there.
The question is what type of a agenda driven firewall will this media put up. It is obvious that it is a perversion of MSM in that "hold no punches " regarding USmilitary, or probably Christianity, but cover for the liberal leadership…
This is war and as terrible it is for anyone to lose their lives it was their time. You can see more of this video and judge for yourself the motives of the servicemen involved. I believe there is no blame on the military and total blame on the targets.
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I'm thinking you might have the right answer, Harry. Sometimes sh** happens–the plan is to see that it doesn't happen to you. Let's figure out why Reuters was in their midst–I suspect we all know the answer to that. Were I a "journalist", I wouldn't have stood that close to the insurgents. Kurt Russell said, in "Dark Blue": "At the end of the day, the bullet was in the bad guy." Maybe we could get a choreographer from Hollwywood to "script this where things like this don't happen–they're all so "gifted." Anything to decrease volunteerism for the armed forces. Most politicians are not warriors. If they were, we might call them politoriors or warriticians.
Watched the whole thing. You cannot argue against the soldiers in this video, without those silly arrows with text "claiming" those were cameras and they were the two journalists there is little else to prove so. When they first think they spotted an RPG it looks just like a guy holding an RPG or more modern TOW/LAW type Anti-Tank weapon.
In response to the typical disgust of liberals who truly do not understand the reality in war: The US is the only country that goes by such strict Rules of Engagement, and as a result many Americans are killed because they have to wait to be fired at before returning fire, it is absolutely terrifying to assume that they are just holding something else and that they should take their eyes off of them. Our soldiers could not shoot and risk an insurgent firing an RPG at them or at one of their brothers down on the ground. This whole situation was justified, these reporters volunteer to take such risks and should take it upon themselves to be more distinguishable; that said this video still failed to show any evidence of those being the reporters they claim them to be, I understand protecting your source, but it also makes your information disputable.
Cog, there is no good PR where the military is concerned because every little bit of information is twisted for political purposes by democrats. Yes, that's true. A picture of them sleeping on the ground receives "OMG they're sleeping on the ground! The Bush administration sent them there with NOTHING!" A devastated soldier carrying a dying little girl after insurgents targeted a group of children gets 'OMG! This would never have happened if our military hadn't been there!"
Ever heard of Paliwood? This video demands more information. I stand by our military and say they DID NOT botch a single damn thing in this particular engagement.
What did I tell you about thinking, Cog…?
Looks like you went and sprained a frontal lobe again…
Give the Obama a call, see if he can fit you in again for a fix…surely there's someone on the stun line at the beef packer with a sledgehammer that can get it back in shape like usual…
That's what I like about you, Cog…you're always good for a non-sequitur or two…
(SLAP)
And get off that broad dupa of yours and make us all some pie…blueberry for me; and hurry up and ask everyone else what they want…get to it…!!!
(Damn, I do miss the old days when Antifascist used to hang around here…he was always good for pie…)
Seems to me the US military did their jobs professionally and efficiently. It's a shame that the enemy has such disregard for their female children that they would bring them to a war zone. There was no way of knowing or even suspecting that the children were in that van. If they were aware of the children's presence they would have held their fire. One could argue that they should engage anyway. I'd rather see collateral damage than one American G.I. killed because we were too cautious. It was a good kill!
I think it is better to have an all volunteer force. I think I would have had a hard time trusting draftees to do their job with any integrity. I had enough troubles with the troops who came in just to get money for college and could not figure out why they had to deploy. It would be one thing if everyone were required to serve a minimum enlistment regardless of whether or not we were at war.
Like reporters can't also be terrorists. MSNBC is full of them!
They also fail to give you any back story on this flight crew. I wonder did anyone ask how many times they had been fired on that month, that week or even that day? Did those "civilians" think they had taken the Apache out for a sight-seeing tour?
Again, I apologize for the ranting, this hits a nerve.
Funny thing is, you NEVER see these hit pieces done on our enemies. Wonder why?
Well said!
This group was preparing to ambush an American convoy moving through the area. How long do you suggest the choppers wait before opening fire? Perhaps until AFTER a few of our soldiers are killed?
I agree, but I'm not so sure those journalists we're entirely "innocent". They were obviously there to get footage of an American patrol being ambushed. They knew it was going to happen, but they didn't warn anyone. They were going to let American troops die just so they could get a scoop for Reuters. That makes them scum in my book.
Notice how the journalists were in no hurry to warn the Americans that they were about to be ambushed. If your policy is to stand by and allow American troops to be attacked and killed just to maintain your "journalistic integrity", don't expect those same troops to give you any special consideration when picking targets in a mob of enemy combatants.
Nice to see you back Cowboy.
This will blow over. Anti Ware sentiment was only a tool for getting their man elected.
I prefer the all volunteer force as well. My point probably poorly made is if a nation feels the need to fprce service then the sword of damicles should hang over us all.
Do you fine folks on the BIGS see what we have to put up with here in the great state of WA? Jane, go hug a tree.
I too beleive the all volunteer army is a superior force. My point probably poorly made is if a nation need to create massive forces the sword of damicles needs to hang over us all.
No need to apologize Squishy, it hits a nerve in me too! these people have absolutely no clue about decisions are made in these situations or the immense stress that our brave fighting forces work under. The clueless should just sit down and STFU!
Thank you Boris. I've been "over there" a few times and I know what these guys have to contend with so this PC propeganda bullsh*t just makes me a little salty.
Hey Spliff I was thinking the same thing. Does that mean you owe me $20? Of course I'm just kidding (about the $20) but it sure seems convenient, doesn't it?
Call me old fassion when i see ununiformed men with RPGs, AK47 and a couple of satchles near a fire zone, I am going to assume they are bad guys. If not why do they have AK47s and RPGS ? Hunting?
Why don't you worry about what's really important, jackass?
Well damn Jane, I was going to give you a lashing, but it looks like several people beat me to it. Good on em. I do take exception to your last statement though and all I have to say about that is….Get the Fuck Out Of My Country.
And just what war did you fight in, Jane? You pass judgment without finding out the rest of the story — just as you are intended to do with the publication of this video outside the greater context.
Of course, as an unaware and uneducated (in terms of how battles are fought and what war means) person, I guess we really can't expect anything else from you. I wonder if you would be quite so condemning if it were your son on the ground about to get shot up by the terrorists these "journalists" were accompanying? Oh, but you'd never let one of your little darlings soil themselves with defending the country which was created to protect your right to express stupid opinions about things you neither know about nor ever intend to demonstrate the least bit of intellectual honesty by learning anything about. Any idea who was on the ground getting shot at when these guys were called in to provide suppressive fire? Any idea how much time a gunship pilot has to actually engage a target in a high-threat environment — all while still trying to fly the helicopter and prevent himself and his gunner from becoming casualties themselves? Have you ever flown anything? Any idea what the operation was all about? Did you even understand the questions I just asked? I didn't think so. Sadly, you'll have no desire to understand them either and will just write me off as another "warmonger" or "right-winger" and then go off to a Code Pink protest so you can feel good about yourself.
"War is a serious business…" Yes indeed, and perhaps before ignorantly blathering about it, you should try learning a little something about it.
Shocking, horrifying video, makes me sick. Those people must have suffered terribly and were cut down with no warning. That said, I believe it was the right decision. That's war – people die; news outlets are just usually more discrete about showing graphic pictures or video. Yes, it was a little bit sickening that the soldiers were laughing about it, but then again if you were under fire from these people for weeks and weeks you'd probably have the same attitude too. One thing that seemed a bit sketchy – why did the sound of the shooting start well before the video of it? Granted it takes a little bit of time for the bullet to reach its target, but not that long. And they didn't even react to the sounds of gunfire, just kept walking. Seems doctored, if you ask me.
You. Are. A. Vapid. Leech.
There are other videos posted on Jawa Report and other sites that show the RPGs much clearer.
The problem here is that the people in van were also bystanders, and the children (a boy and a girl) both survived their wounds and testified to police that their father was dropping them off at school when on his way to work and they drove past one of the journalists dying on the side of the road and decided to help them.
Even if they were armed combatants, what you're seeing in the video is actually a war crime because it's illegal under the Geneva Convention to open fire on enemy troops as they retrieve their wounded, regardless of whether or not they have medic/red cross emblem on them at that time. That's one of the major issues here and the other is that the government appears to have known they were in the wrong and deliberately lied about it and obstructed Reuters request under the freedom of information act.
It's only \”PR\” in the hands of those who are trying to make something of
it it isn't/.
Actually, the 'Arab Street' isn't nearly as squeamish as ours, and those
who hate and fear the insurgents (the overwhelming majority of Iraqis) are
very happy that the Wrath of Something-Close-To-God can give the Ali Babas
what's coming to them.
They're working on guided rounds for the Barret. Now they'll chase 'em around the corner and down the street.
And just what war did you fight in, Jane? You pass judgment without finding out the rest of the story — just as you are intended to do with the publication of this video outside the greater context.
Of course, as an unaware and uneducated (in terms of how battles are fought and what war means) person, I guess we really can't expect anything else from you. I wonder if you would be quite so condemning if it were your son on the ground about to get shot up by the terrorists these "journalists" were accompanying? Oh, but you'd never let one of your little darlings soil themselves with defending the country which was created to protect your right to express stupid opinions about things you neither know about nor ever intend to demonstrate the least bit of intellectual honesty by learning anything about. Any idea who was on the ground getting shot at when these guys were called in to provide suppressive fire? Any idea how much time a gunship pilot has to actually engage a target in a high-threat environment — all while still trying to fly the helicopter and prevent himself and his gunner from becoming casualties themselves? Have you ever flown anything? Any idea what the operation was all about? Did you even understand the questions I just asked? I didn't think so. Sadly, you'll have no desire to understand them either and will just write me off as another "warmonger" or "right-winger" and then go off to a Code Pink protest so you can feel good about yourself.
"War is a serious business…" Yes indeed, and perhaps before ignorantly blathering about it, you should try learning a little something about it.
God Bless Our Troops.
Man, I am seriously concerned for all future military engagements if this is the future of journalism. I wonder, by percentage, how many individual military actions are precipitate, intel-fueled strikes like this.
How many times do our men and women in uniform spot a convoy (think night-vision footage), our informants on the ground tell us that Bad Guy XYZ is in that group, and we open fire on them? To a partisan peacenik, taken out of context, that footage would look like, "It was just some nice Iraqis out for an midnight drive in the cool desert air. Then, a bunch of mean American soldiers opened fire and started killing those poor innocents."
*sigh*
Indeed, war is hell. You kill the bad guys when you can. You try to minimize the collateral damage. But, there will always be the chance that your best efforts can be screwed around to look like cold-blooded murder.
God help us all… and while you're at it, could you do something about those Islamo-fascists?
That's an insult to animals everywhere.
"Even if they were armed combatants, what you're seeing in the video is actually a war crime because it's illegal under the Geneva Convention to open fire on enemy troops as they retrieve their wounded, regardless of whether or not they have medic/red cross emblem on them at that time"
Absolute horseshit.. I wonder what piece of lying liberal crap invented that nonsense?
Recovery of wounded is only immune from engagement if the respective commanders have agreed to a local temporary ceasefire for that purpose. The only personnel who cannot be fired on, otherwise, are those clearly displaying the Red Cross/Crescent. (not that the Hajis respect that rule- they treat the Red Cross as an aimpoint).
Yea. Is anyone going to mention that this group of innocent civilians was just in a firefight with an American position 1 block away? Or that the video originally posted by this "New investigative site" cut out large sections showing combatants with RPGs and AK-47s?
Yes. There were innocents killed/wounded in this incident and that is a terrible thing! But people need to stop calling our soldiers murderers because of battlefield collaterial damage.
Perhaps these people would have a different opinion if they heard their brother solders screaming for help or hear the medivac requests over the net. Real easy to sit in your chushy chair and judge what people did in the heat of battle. You want to it change? Put up your right hand and swear the oath. Become an officer and influence the ROE. Until then shut up.
This is Wikileaks.org in brief:
“…we have exposed significant injustice around the world— successfully fighting off over 100 legal attacks in the process.” No revelations about anyone except USA and the Iceland banking situation.
The Sunshine Press (Wikileaks) “…recipient of numerous prestigious awards, including the 2008 Index on Censorship-Economist Freedom of Expression Award as well as the 2009 Amnesty International New Media Award…”
18 steadfast supporters of WikiLeaks: (from their website: Wikileaks.org)
Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press (RCFP), The American Society of Newspaper Editors (ASNE), The Associated Press – world wide news agency, based in New York, Citizen Media Law Project – Harvard university The E.W Scripps Company – newspapers, TV, cable TV etc. Gannett Co. Inc – the largest publisher of newspapers in the USA, including USA Today, The Hearst Corporation – media conglomerate which publishes the San Francisco Chronicle, The Los Angeles Times, National Newspaper Association (NNA), Newspaper Association of America (NAA), The Radio-Television News Directors Association (RTNDA), The Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), Public Citizen – founded by Ralph Nader together with the California First Amendment Coalition (CFAC), The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), The Project on Government Oversight (POGO), Jordan McCorkle, the University of Texas.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Abe Lincoln and repeated by Harry S Truman
Dear MOM (Mother of a Marine)
You must lean not to hold back your feelings. I only wish more people were as forthright as you.
I would really suggest to all those here who would say that these "brave servicemen" did their job by the book and anyone who says differently is crying to consider this-THEY SHOT CHILDREN! they then did the brave and honorable thing and blamed it on the adults they were with for taking them into a war zone. Have you stopped to think that if they were really there to fight they would not have kids with them?Maybe the fact that their whole country is a war zone and they have no choice but to be there or the fact that no weapons were seen in the van or were carried by anyone in the van but they were killed just like the (2) guys with weapons. So, until you are smart and honest enough to look at both sides equally instead of deciding what you think before you even see any evidence you should refrain from spewing your stupidty and follow the other sheep.The one with the bell around his neck.
Just watched the real critique of how this piece was edited to fit a leftist agenda. This group is not interested in journalistic integrity, so there's nothing to see here — move along. If I want to see information that's been creatively edited to spin left, there's the LameStream Media. If no one's watching, what kind of political impact do you have, Wikis?
I'm sorry, Jane, but the type of men & women drawn to a job like that are generally not cut from the same cloth as your typical grief counselor. They're fighting and dying to protect your right to be a sniveling moron and you're docking them points for style???
and if it really does make you "wish humanity would die off so some other species could take over", by all means feel free to lead by example…
You can clearly see several individuals holding weapons at several points in the video. It's as clear as frickin' day.
Two "journalists" got killed in a war zone, hanging out with a bunch of people carrying AK47s who were being monitored by attack helicopters. And we're supposed to be shocked because…?
I'm kinda outraged that some people are stupid enough to believe this this is some sort of shocking revelation.
War has never been civilized. Do you think that this is any different than any other war? If we had instant video for WWI, WWII, and Korea, that we would be watching anything different? How about Vietnam? If you don't want to see it, then turn off the television. If anyone thinks they can do better, then by all means enlist today!
"Trust me, it's not cut and dried"?
Mr. Walsh, I dig your hat–my dad wore one like that in the fifties–but don't we all know what's going on here?
A bunch of children from the "human rights" industry, funded by sources we can easily guess. (Soros has been mentioned; see also "KGB, History of."
The targets will be Western democracies and their allies, and never the third world thugocracies.
The MSM will be shocked, shocked and then repeat the story because "it's already public."
Let me know if I'm wrong.
"[...]but I'm not so sure those journalists we're entirely "innocent". "
And thus deserved to be summarily executed, the US Army being Judge, Jury and Executioner . . . right???
This is the scenario: A bunch of guys gather, one of them seems armed, get shot down by US airplane. People here argue that the journalists must be either "guilty" of something or foolish, for being in a "war zone".
"War zone"? What ever happened to "Mision Accomplished?" Since when is a crime to freely assemble in your own country? Since when people stopped having a righ to bear arms? And before any of you Neocon/Statist scum starts giving me shit about how these are "Constitutionally 'given' rights", let me remind you that rights come from God to us, not from the Constitution. Big Government = Warfare State, not only Welfare state.
Blame the targets? For what? For BEING THERE?
Fool! Don't you know that the lack of civility practiced by the US Army in Iraq can be converted to tyranny here at home? You really think that Posse Comitatus will stop an Obamanian government from unleashing a rain of lead on the American people when things get ugly?
Don't be so cavalier about what the Army does over there. What is happening over there can happen over here, just as easily – LIFE IS IMPORTANT.
You couldn't be more wrong. I'll just leave it at that, since your ignorant post isn't deserving of the time it takes to reply.
You know what, Jane in WA, I changed my mind. Earlier I said your ignorant post wasn't deserving of a reply. I'm pretty sure you won't click on the link and read what this soldier has to say (you know what you know, after all, and aren't you d—-d smart?). However, others might like to read what this soldier has to say, someone who has actually done the job that you know NOTHING about yet are so quick to judge.
http://www.missourah.com/2010/04/09/a-soldiers-re...
" Two "journalists" got killed in a war zone, hanging out with a bunch of people carrying AK47s who were being monitored by attack helicopters. And we're supposed to be shocked because…? "
Because they were not guilty of anything, numbskull. What, are you some kind of anti gun-bearing nut, all of a sudden? People have a right to BEAR ARMS, and no, we don't have rights just because they're in the Constitution: Rights come from GOD to US. Those people had a God-given right to bear arms, so why were they shot to pieces?
Big Governent = Warfare State, not only the Welfare State. War is the Health of the State.
No Greater Friend.
No Worst Enemy.
God Bless Our Soldiers.
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