The David Weigel saga continues to stagger on, becoming ever more intellectually incoherent. Not only has Weigel written yet another story about himself, this time for Esquire, but Ezra Klein of the Washington Post — the man who recommended Weigel for his short-lived job there — has also come out with another piece, largely argued along juvenile tu quoque lines that wouldn’t pass muster in a first-year logic class. If Weigel and Klein are the best young talent the Post can find, then things are even worse with MSM journalism than we thought.

More seriously, over the holiday, both the Washington Post, in the form of its ombudsman, Andrew Alexander, and the New York Times, in the person of media critic David Carr, both weighed in, with the result that the line between real journalism — in the form of straight reporting — and opinion journalism is now more blurred than ever. If ever readers deserved clarity on this increasingly important issue it’s now, and yet both establishment papers just fell on their faces.
Why? Because they don’t know what to say. Instead, these apologists manage to pretzel themselves in contortions worthy of the Cirque du Soleil while trying to explain to their readers the fine distinctions, the nuances, between a reporter acting as a reporter and a reporter acting as purveyor of opinion, i.e. either bien-pensant leftist conventional wisdom or the youthful exuberance that attends the re-invention of the wheel.
Let’s start with Alexander:
Ezra Klein, one of The Post’s most talented and stimulating young journalists, writes online from a liberal perspective. His Web site bio promotes his “opinionated blog” on economic and domestic policy issues. He is featured on the site’s Opinions page, alongside other columnists with well-defined ideologies. But in the Business section of Sunday’s newspaper, Klein writes a column that is more analysis than dogma and contains no descriptive identification beyond his name and area of expertise. Should print-only readers, unaware of the slant of his blog, be told that he’s a well-established liberal?


Gee… ya think?
Like readers, some in The Post’s newsroom are perplexed. Internal guidelines say reporters should not “offer personal opinions on a blog in a way that would not be acceptable in the newspaper.” But they also are encouraged to blog with attitude and “voice,” which seems incompatible with neutrality…
Similarly, internal rules governing public appearances say that except for opinion columnists, “Post journalists should avoid making statements that could call into question their objectivity.” But in a typical week, Post reporters make dozens of appearances on television and radio programs where they are pressed for their views on the news of the day. Many oblige.

In my conversations with a dozen Post reporters in recent weeks, not one had more than a passing familiarity with these rules and guidelines. None knew where they exist, so that they can be consulted. (They reside on The Post’s intranet but are well hidden.)
Well, there you have it, no? The Post has strict, if well-hidden, rules on reporters’ voicing opinions, so it’s an open-and-shut case against Klein, Weigel and others, right?
Not so fast:
Like all legacy media, The Post is grappling to set proper standards for a new, fast-changing era. It’s most difficult for the vast majority of Post journalists who play the traditional reporter’s role, prowling beats and trolling for information that enlightens and entertains. Increasingly, they are being asked to expand The Post’s brand on new media platforms that don’t strictly adhere to the time-honored just-the-facts approach.
Executive Editor Marcus Brauchli acknowledged that readers may be confused by Post journalists who “wear more than one hat” when they “opine in one forum and appear to report in another forum.”
The solution, he said, is to be “completely transparent about what people do . . . and completely transparent about where people stand.”
And those in “traditional reporting positions,” he said, should remain “nonpartisan, unbiased and free from slant in their presentation in the paper and in any other public forum. There should be no appearance of conflict.”
Everything clear now? In case it’s not, allow me translate: “We here at the dying Washington Post, in order to assure our survival as we migrate to the Internet, have got to become more like our blogging competitors, so we’re going to chuck more than half a century of policy and openly embrace partisanship, just as long as we afford our warriors the fig leaf of ‘transparency’. Hope this clears everything up.”
[Weigel's] job, part of a broader experiment at The Post, was to combine reporting and opinion in search of deeper understanding of the conservative movement. His Twitter feed gave a steady, and sometimes spicy, accounting of exactly what was running through his head. His writing on the newspaper’s blog, which contained real immersive reporting and significant inquiry, was also clear about what he believed to be true.
That’s part of what The Washington Post was seeking when it hired Mr. Weigel, a former writer from The Washington Independent and Reason magazine, to blog about the conservative moment. Like many mainstream media outlets, it wanted some of the crackle that is coming from the perimeter of insurgent media.
Let’s leave aside for now the issue of why the Washington Post felt the need to “cover the right,” as if the plurality of Americans who self-identify as conservatives were some sort of exotic species of fauna in a faraway place (i.e., outside the Beltway): the revelation that a man who passed himself off as something he was not was certainly newsworthy. Leave aside also, for the nonce, the thorny issue of the distinction between public and private remarks and the notion that since reporters are also human beings, and thus have opinions, those opinions should somehow find their way into their news stories (a variation of the old “they’re going to do it anyway, so why not give them the downstairs bedroom instead the back of the ‘57 Chevy” argument).
The larger issue is the existence of the now-defunct “JournoList,” a listserv group of about 400 left-leaning journalists organized by Klein, the Post’s wunderkind blogger and nakedly partisan health-care advocate, and what it portends for the future of journalism.

Let’s start with this fact: in the old days of “dispassionate” professional journalism, there likely would not have been a place either for Weigel or Klein on a major newspaper, and certainly not on the national level. Both — were they hired at all — would have served several years down on the farm, learning the craft of reporting on the police beat in Boise and at sewer-district commission hearings in Hartford, before getting the call to the Show. Both would have learned that before opinions come facts and that in order to find facts, one must first divest oneself of opinions, in order to properly form them down the line. Weigel and Klein are not only what’s wrong with contemporary journalism, they’re emblematic of what plagues the whole country right now, which is being run by a collection of ardent adolescents, devoid of experience but brimming with fierce rectitude and a burning desire for payback against inherited or imaginary cultural grievances.
Friends on the JournoList assure me that it was a largely stultifying circle of policy wonks, so it’s theoretically possible that Weigel’s boisterous attitudinizing was the exception, not the rule. But what Klein doesn’t seem to understand is that his list has become the story, and that what real journalists do is get the story. Real journalists are not moonlighting policy mavens, angling for a job in the current or next Democrat administration by appearing on panels and going on television to advocate administration initiatives while news happens around them; their duty is to their publications and their readers, not their political party.
Given the embarrassing revelation — once again involving the Post — that one of its bloggers was also a White House functionary, a fact not disclosed to its readership, you would think the Post and the few grownups left there would want to clean up their act before they have not even a fig leaf of professional dignity intact. Which is why they ought to insist that Klein release the JournoList archives.
Then let real journalists sort through it and try to correlate the list’s talking points with the ostensibly unbiased coverage of its membership. See whether certain story clusters, with many of the same talking points, suddenly start appearing around the same time in various publications. In the old days reporters might share minor bits of information but two things they would never share were scoops and original insights, and the notion that the staffs of a great city’s multiple newspapers could possibly collude on shaping coverage would have been both antithetical to the idea of journalism itself and abhorrent to the fiercely competitive editors.
With the JournoList outed, the public now has a clear right to know whether the Washington Post, via one of its employees, facilitated an unprofessional collaboration among ostensibly independent reporters and columnists, about which their readers knew nothing – the lame jokes and cheap shots and locker-room swagger, while embarrassing, are just collateral damage. If this were about any other profession than journalism, reporters would be all over it, screaming about transparency.
But since this is the Washington Post, one of the twin hearts of the Democrat-Media complex, newspaper division, their silence tells you all you need to know.






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In a bygone era, professional journalists were feared and respected by politicians and officials at all levels of government- from Congress and the White House all the way down to the local town council or school board. The reason for both fear and respect was because a real journalist's only goal was to report the facts and to leave no stone unturned in seeking the truth. There are very few professional journalists left and if you come across one, you will know.
Since I expect the LSM (including the WAPO) to be completely biased, I am not surprised or disappointed. If I lived in DC, I would read the examiner.
[...] wrong with contemporary journalism…” Posted on July 9, 2010 by cameronp1013 Michael Walsh on Dave Weigel, Ezra Klein, and Journolist: Let’s start with this fact: in the old days of [...]
That's the real story in this expose of 400 liberal journalists congregating on the internet to unify The Narrative is what this is all about. It's not much different than the outed emails by the GW scientist's cabal.
It's stomach churning. But, hey, Lefties are dull-witted sheeple. Their meal ticket whether it be in academia, the newsroom or Hollywood depends on it. They live their lives in self-selected enclaves where they can honestly say they never met a person that voted for a Republican or against Obama. Even their REI/Urban Outfitters issued urban protest outfits are the height of conformity. The clueless college kids I can forgive, if you are over 30 and still a lefty conformist poseur then you are pathetic.
We need to put these idiots back in their sandboxes under adult supervision.. In enough election cycles let's pray we do.
It's rather perplexing. Mr. Walsh could have saved a lot of time by just posting Weigel's and Klein's mugshot under the title and sat back in a lounge chair with a Mai Tai. Open and shut piece.
On the other hand if Mr. Walsh NEVER uses those pictures again on any BIG site it would still be far too soon. Truly HORRIFIED by that image of Weigel and continued use could be grounds for legal action. Since Andrew's pocket is burning with a six figure wad my new therapist may be calling.
"…they’re emblematic of what plagues the whole country right now, which is being run by a collection of ardent adolescents, devoid of experience but brimming with fierce rectitude and a burning desire for payback against inherited or imaginary cultural grievances."
And they must be stopped…
I prefer the term assclowns. Short and sweet.
Did I misread, or did they say they fired Weigel for doing exactly what they hired him to do, and told him to do?
That sounds like an open and shut Labor Relations complaint. (i.e. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
The relic media's myth of objectivity is going the way of global warming "science." Completely b.s.
Mr Walsh, the headline alone speaks for itself and you absolutely got to the heart of the matter with the use of the word "advocates".
It is time to confront the "political advocacy" class in the MSM and call out the official mouthpieces for the shameless shills they are.
Thank You for your continuing inspiration to action!
"Weigel and Klein are not only what’s wrong with contemporary journalism, they’re emblematic of what plagues the whole country right now, which is being run by a collection of ardent adolescents"
Sigh. What a wonderful summation; makes me long for the days of Mike Royko.
He "offered to start a bipartisan list serv with Tucker" ? (WP link)
This Ezra fellow is funny beyond words, let me know when the backyard fort is finished
[...] the Original article Tags: —, ‘Journolist, ’, Advocacy, Forget, Groupthink, Issues, Journalism, [...]
Michal Hiltzik redivivus. Remember Hiltzik, the still on the LA Times rolls creep who used to still passwords and enter colleagues e-mail accounts to read their private stuff, and also blog under false name and post on other blogs on equally other names, attacking conservatives? Hiltzik was sligthly reprimande by the LA Times, and is still there fine & dandy, writing pieces under the pretense of objective journalism. Walsh should revive this story which gives a good glimpse of the deep rotteness of the MSM. Below is the link to Wiki which gives a short description of the matter – there more about him on Patterico's and other blogs:
[...] In the mid-2000s, Hiltzik was suspended from posting to his blog on the LA Times (entitled "The Golden State") "… after he admitted…he'd been posting there, as well as on other sites, under false names. He used the pseudonyms to attack online conservative nemeses like Hugh Hewitt and L.A. prosecutor Patrick Frey (who eventually exposed him)." [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hiltzik
The list is the real problem. The list was "by invitation" only and only liberal opinion columnists were let in. It is hard to escape the idea the list was used to coalesce around how to present any individual story. If multiple columnists end up printing exactly the same interpretation, then mustn't that interpretation be true?
The whole of idea of Journolist was to end up with a common, liberal interpretation and then present that as "truth". Any organization that allows this, such as the WaPo, is publishing propaganda, not analysis. Ezra Klein is a child. He thinks this whole story is about Wiegal and secrecy. It is about secrecy, but not in the way he thinks. It is the very secrecy there is such a list that is the problem, not the secrecy of what is actually posted. When Klein becomes an adult, he will recognize this. In the meantime, he does need to go to Boise and learn to be an adult.
Journalists are taught to do this in college. They are "communications" majors. I'm sure they all got very good grades.
Lets not forget-this is the nespaper that gave a Pulitzer prize out to Janet Cooke for what turned out to be a false story. The commie Boston Globe had to fire Mike Barnicle for being the Jpe Bite Me of media, plagarizing stories. And the grandaddy of all, SeeBS "60 minutes2" hitpiece on GW Bush , inspired by those two "giants" of See BS Mary Mapes and Dan Blather, which used phony documents cooked up by a Travis county ,texas felon and Bush hater named Bill Burkett. Too bad niether Mapes or Blather had the wherwithal or the intelligence to figure out superscript did not exist in 1972, or the word processor. Another example of how acamdemia and media are largely fronts for statist goals.
fasted way to an "f" is to mention you listen to Limbaugh or are a fan of Matt Drudge or Andrew Breitbart
Wasnt that the same guy who tried some of the same crap with LA radio host Bill Handel?
The line used by people who are not liberal journalists (like Bernie Goldberg on Fox News) is that yes, there is liberal bias in the media, but no, it's not because everyone's talking to each other about what to say — it's just that they think the same way and come to the same conclusions (even if part of the reason was shared talking points from the DNC or other liberal organizations)
Klein's JournoList eliminates that line of thought. While it may have bee true in the past, the list now meant there was an easy way to coordinate spins and responses, without going through a third-party talking points source like the DNC. And there's no doubt that while that list is dead, the idea of sharing talking points for story ideas promoting liberal ideas and attacking conservative, or responses to new information that hurts or helps their cause is still going to be around on the Internet. It's just a matter of finding the new meeting place.
You nailed it – they keep saying that these are the types who go in the journalism schools, sort of genetically conditioned Spartacuses. Nope – it's school indoctrination, then group think, and even more, group pressure on the model of communist re-education camps. I remember an excellent piece in LA Weekly, of all! where Robert Hughes reminsced about his years at the Village Voice, describing how there, in spite of the (apparently) super-cool atmosphere, the alignment to the political lines was observed and inflicted with Stalinistic rigor – group meetings for updating or criticizing deviant comrades y compis.
The sins of the past and present do not rest on the politicains heads, how could they, they only do what they are allowed to do by a compliant media. Our ills, our turmoil, and our fate rests squarely on the heads of the media. Only when truth is reported, only when fact is given, can an educated public make an informed decision about who they want to represent them – and those elected representatives know they will be held accoutable.
Most professional organizations have some sort of body, specifically designed to add trust into its organization – vehicle mechanics have the ASE for crying out loud, something that tells the public that its' members have attained a certain standard of practise. Does the media? And if so what are those Standards of Practise, and what happens if you violate them?
Something needs to happen to the media and something quick – as with anything else if it cannot police itself, something will come along and do the policing for them – (maybe that's us ).
[...] –Michael Walsh, on the Big Journalism site. [...]
It has been a fact for a long, long time that "journalists" are no longer interested in the truth. The are nearly all left leaning liberal propagandists for the Socialist Democratic Party and now the Leftists/Marxists in the White House.
They become less and less relevant as the alternative Media on the Internet and Talk Radio become the main sources for news and opinion for all thinking people.
What's so mystifying in all this is why David Weigel got the sack, but Ezra Klein didn't. "Jorno-lists" such as those at the WaPo have been big on bagging politicians for nothing more than "the appearance of a conflict of interest" for decades now. By this standard, it doesn't matter that Klein hasn't been caught doing anything (yet) – he's guilty by association. Any argument that the Journo-list isn't a distribution channel for talking points is laughably contemptible. If this isn't a conflict of interest, what is?
So it appears that the MSM has officially entered itself into the jokebooks.
Start writing your own. Here's a start, "How many MSM does it take to……….?"
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"If multiple columnists end up printing exactly the same interpretation, then mustn't that interpretation be true?"
Reminds me of some "bumper sticker wisdom" popular when I was in high school: "Eat sh*t…Can 40 million flies be wrong?"
[...] openly as advice to Washington Post editor Marchus Brauchli, who along with other top Posties made confused and contradictory statements about WaPo’s journalism standards in the wake of firing crypto-liberal, faux libertarian David [...]
The stink of rot & corruption is far greater than I ever imagined it could be (and I have smelled it for 25 years). Will we survive it? Sometimes I think not. Other days when I read the comments on various message boards on The Hill, CBS, ABC, etc. and the polls, I think that yes, we will. But it is a constant uphill battle. Keep up the good fight.
[...] this is partly because “professional, big-time journalism” has lost site of itself and what it is supposed to be. It has inflicted a great deal of damage upon itself by confusing reportage with advocacy, not just [...]
Well, this partly explains why the MSM always seems to have the same talking points and interpretations of the news of the day. JournoList can't explain it all, though. It is too small. There must be other online meeting places , and perhaps video conferencing, where the MSM gets together and gets their stories straight.
The MSM won't die until no one watches it anymore. And that will take many decades. The Moderates and independents (who decide virtually all election outcomes) have busy lives, and they don't have time for anything other than 1/2 hour of the nightly news during dinner, or a glance at WaPo during their morning coffee.
Nice aim Mr. Walsh, you hit the mark. Bernard Goldberg said in "Bias"; long ago, TV news outlets all took a loss, none made a profit. But the corporate owners wrote it off as the price of truthful, objective journalism. He said; all that changed when those same corporations had a lot at stake, and a lot to lose if they offended one of their business partners. So they decided to use the news to "entertain" their viewers. They are profit motivated now. I guess the public would rather be entertained.
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Perhaps one way to get more accountability at papers such as the New York Times and the Washington Post would be to change the tax laws so that either dual class structured stock is outlawed i.e. all shares have voting rights, or if allowed to continue then the non-voting shares would lose their eligibility for tax loss write-offs.. In either scenario the shareholders would gain an ability to affect an accountability on the management of these papers that is currently not available either through actual shareholder votes or via capital flight in response to poor management, The dual class voting structure is at the heart of the problem in that it allows for virtual absolute control and disproportionate power over the newspapers to be retained by management without a corresponding ownership stake. Eliminate the dual class structure and you go a long ways towards regaining accountability.
[...] up is Ruth Marcus, of the deeply compromised Washington Post. What used to be merely a center-left news organization that nevertheless [...]
[...] up is Ruth Marcus, of the deeply compromised Washington Post. What used to be merely a center-left news organization that nevertheless [...]
[...] if anything may be understating the situation: add all of the above stories together, and then add the JournoList scandal on top of all of them, and then imagine what it must be like inside of the Post’s offices [...]
[...] if anything may be understating the situation: add all of the above stories together, and then add the JournoList scandal on top of all of them, and then imagine what it must be like inside of the Post’s offices [...]
A lot of people in journalism voiced concerns that this would happen when Nielsen began tracking ratings for each of the Big Three's nightly news shows back in 1981. A generation later, it certainly does look as if the doubters' fears were fully justified, doesn't it?
[...] up is Ruth Marcus, of the deeply compromised Washington Post. What used to be merely a center-left news organization that nevertheless played [...]
[...] up is Ruth Marcus, of the deeply compromised Washington Post. What used to be merely a center-left news organization that nevertheless [...]
[...] Unfortunately for Weigel, he had written ugly, over-the-top e-mails attacking some of his conservative subjects in an ostensibly private e-mail exchange, “Journolist.” Ezra Klein, who now blogs at the Post, had created the exchange (list-serv?) for liberal pundits, journalists and denizens of think tanks to kick around issues and check facts or, as critics characterized it, to coordinate the conventional (liberal) media wisdom. [...]
[...] This conference is to bring together speakers and the “Tea Party” primarily focusing on grassroots journalism, picking up on stories the MSM main stream media just don’t seem to be interested in OR they report on it but just in a very biased way—-as was proven in the “Journolist”, and the firing of Dave Weigal, if you get your “news” from the Usual Suspects—MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC; seehttp://bigjournalism.com/mwalsh/2010/07/09/forget-dave-weigel-the-real-issues-are-the-journolist-msm… [...]
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