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		<title>By: &#187; As ACORN Folds, the &#8216;Guys and Dolls&#8217; at Media Matters Offer the &#8216;Big Jule&#8217; Defense - Big Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; As ACORN Folds, the &#8216;Guys and Dolls&#8217; at Media Matters Offer the &#8216;Big Jule&#8217; Defense - Big Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hordes of bloggers &#8212; OK, a couple &#8212; who staked their reputations on the idiotic &#8220;gotcha&#8221; of whether James O&#8217;Keefe actually wore the famous &#8220;pimp cape&#8221; in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hordes of bloggers &#8212; OK, a couple &#8212; who staked their reputations on the idiotic &#8220;gotcha&#8221; of whether James O&#8217;Keefe actually wore the famous &#8220;pimp cape&#8221; in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deusexmachina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deusexmachina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You Progressive A-holes just do&#039;nt want the blacks to leave the Democratic plantation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Progressive A-holes just do&#039;nt want the blacks to leave the Democratic plantation.</p>
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		<title>By: Snertly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snertly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought the correct answer to my postscript question above to have been B, but now you&#039;ve made me doubt that. 
 
If O&#039;Keefe had stuck to journalism, he would have had a better story, less sensational, but far more solid. When they decided to go for the circus sideshow presentation they had to bend the facts, at best, and this has undermined the impact of ACORN&#039;s part in the story as it became more about the antics of a reporter wannabe who apparently doesn&#039;t understand the difference between investigative journalism and an episode of Punk&#039;d. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought the correct answer to my postscript question above to have been B, but now you&#039;ve made me doubt that. </p>
<p>If O&#039;Keefe had stuck to journalism, he would have had a better story, less sensational, but far more solid. When they decided to go for the circus sideshow presentation they had to bend the facts, at best, and this has undermined the impact of ACORN&#039;s part in the story as it became more about the antics of a reporter wannabe who apparently doesn&#039;t understand the difference between investigative journalism and an episode of Punk&#039;d.</p>
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		<title>By: Snertly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snertly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were any of the ACORN employees or volunteers who met with O&#039;Keefe or Giles arrested?  Have any of these people been charged with a crime or convicted?    
 
No, they have not.  Unlike Mr O&#039;Keefe, himself.  Therefore your statements accusing them of illegal activity are conjecture, at best.  But then you&#039;re just repeating the Breitbart line, so they&#039;re not really your statements, are they? 
 
I would strongly suggest that you do some research of your own, as you have motivated me to do.  Particularly, read the transcripts (links to each conveniently provided here:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://biggovernment.com/acorn/).&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://biggovernment.com/acorn/).&lt;/a&gt;  The transcripts provide a more complete picture of the various encounters and in some specifics contradict the voiceover content on the videos. 
 
For a more independent review of the circumstances around each event I would recommend the report prepare by Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, available at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf.&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pd...&lt;/a&gt;  You&#039;ll probably want to skip down to page 42 where he discusses each of the eight events. 
 
Having watched each of the videos, and read their associated transcripts, I am certain that the O&#039;Keefe as pimp is simply a fictional layer wrapped around the edited videos and mentioned only in the voiceover content.  In the audio portions and transcripts, O&#039;Keefe presents himself as a law student who plans to one day run for political office. 
 
Further, they present Giles as a prostitute who is fleeing from a physically abusive pimp.  With regard to the dozen 15 year old Guatemalan girls (each ACORN office visit has the same basic script elements), they generally give the impression that they are trying to prepare a safe haven away from the abusive pimp, an off stage character in their script. 
 
From the Brooklyn, NY transcript: &quot;Hannah (Eden[her character name]): He&#8217;s got all these 13, 14,15 year old girls from El Salvador and that&#8217;s what&#8212;I need to protect them like I know what its like and I have to protect them and like  give them somewhere to live.  (O&#039;Keefe kept flipping between El Salvador and Guatemala, sometimes within a single interview.)  
 
From the San Bernardino transcript: &quot;Hannah (Eden):  They&#039;re already  they&#039;re already working. And I would It&#039;s I I&#039;m hoping that I&#039;ll have a safer environment  for them&quot; 
 
From the San Diego transcript: &quot;Hannah: I want to get them before the pimp has time to bond with them.&quot;  (She referring to the fictional abusive pimp, not O&#039;Keefe.) 
 
So while on a professional level it was dumb to do anything more than show O&#039;Keefe and Giles the shortest route to the door, the transcripts show that the ACORN folks who believed  O&#039;Keefe&#039;s fiction were trying to help him rescue Giles from the violent and abuse pimp and generally work toward improving their lot in life.  The video and transcripts make it apparent that these folks were in over their head, but trying, in their own way, to steer O&#039;Keefe and Giles onto a better path.  The latter half of the San Bernardino transcript particularly illustrates this as various pitfalls of prostitution as a lifestyle are gently presented. 
 
So, by most standards, the ACORN folks should not have been trying to advise anyone in the scenario O&#039;Keefe and Giles presented, but on the other hand, giving bad advice is seldom illegal. 
 
Sidenotes: In San Diego a police report regarding suspected human trafficking was prepared but the investigation was dropped when they realized the interview had been a pretense. 
 
In Philladelphia, Mr O&#039;Keefe is being sued because it is illegal in PA to record someone without their knowledge. 
 
In after the fact interviews employees in the Brooklyn office  said they considered the incident a hoax because Ms. Giles was dressed like a stereotypical prostitute and, while claiming to fear her abusive pimp, proceeded to speak openly to strangers about her circumstances.   
 
And an affidavit prepared by the San Bernardino, states that she was suspicious of the O&#039;Keefe, Giles, and a third man that accompanied them, and their story; was scared for her safety; and responded to their comments with outrageous statements, including that she had killed her husband and had previously run an escort service.  Seemingly because she thought this was what they wanted to hear. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were any of the ACORN employees or volunteers who met with O&#039;Keefe or Giles arrested?  Have any of these people been charged with a crime or convicted?    </p>
<p>No, they have not.  Unlike Mr O&#039;Keefe, himself.  Therefore your statements accusing them of illegal activity are conjecture, at best.  But then you&#039;re just repeating the Breitbart line, so they&#039;re not really your statements, are they? </p>
<p>I would strongly suggest that you do some research of your own, as you have motivated me to do.  Particularly, read the transcripts (links to each conveniently provided here:  <a href="http://biggovernment.com/acorn/)." target="_blank"></a><a href="http://biggovernment.com/acorn/)" rel="nofollow">http://biggovernment.com/acorn/)</a>.  The transcripts provide a more complete picture of the various encounters and in some specifics contradict the voiceover content on the videos. </p>
<p>For a more independent review of the circumstances around each event I would recommend the report prepare by Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, available at <a href="http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf." target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pd.." rel="nofollow">http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pd..</a>.  You&#039;ll probably want to skip down to page 42 where he discusses each of the eight events. </p>
<p>Having watched each of the videos, and read their associated transcripts, I am certain that the O&#039;Keefe as pimp is simply a fictional layer wrapped around the edited videos and mentioned only in the voiceover content.  In the audio portions and transcripts, O&#039;Keefe presents himself as a law student who plans to one day run for political office. </p>
<p>Further, they present Giles as a prostitute who is fleeing from a physically abusive pimp.  With regard to the dozen 15 year old Guatemalan girls (each ACORN office visit has the same basic script elements), they generally give the impression that they are trying to prepare a safe haven away from the abusive pimp, an off stage character in their script. </p>
<p>From the Brooklyn, NY transcript: &quot;Hannah (Eden[her character name]): He&rsquo;s got all these 13, 14,15 year old girls from El Salvador and that&rsquo;s what&mdash;I need to protect them like I know what its like and I have to protect them and like  give them somewhere to live.  (O&#039;Keefe kept flipping between El Salvador and Guatemala, sometimes within a single interview.)  </p>
<p>From the San Bernardino transcript: &quot;Hannah (Eden):  They&#039;re already  they&#039;re already working. And I would It&#039;s I I&#039;m hoping that I&#039;ll have a safer environment  for them&quot; </p>
<p>From the San Diego transcript: &quot;Hannah: I want to get them before the pimp has time to bond with them.&quot;  (She referring to the fictional abusive pimp, not O&#039;Keefe.) </p>
<p>So while on a professional level it was dumb to do anything more than show O&#039;Keefe and Giles the shortest route to the door, the transcripts show that the ACORN folks who believed  O&#039;Keefe&#039;s fiction were trying to help him rescue Giles from the violent and abuse pimp and generally work toward improving their lot in life.  The video and transcripts make it apparent that these folks were in over their head, but trying, in their own way, to steer O&#039;Keefe and Giles onto a better path.  The latter half of the San Bernardino transcript particularly illustrates this as various pitfalls of prostitution as a lifestyle are gently presented. </p>
<p>So, by most standards, the ACORN folks should not have been trying to advise anyone in the scenario O&#039;Keefe and Giles presented, but on the other hand, giving bad advice is seldom illegal. </p>
<p>Sidenotes: In San Diego a police report regarding suspected human trafficking was prepared but the investigation was dropped when they realized the interview had been a pretense. </p>
<p>In Philladelphia, Mr O&#039;Keefe is being sued because it is illegal in PA to record someone without their knowledge. </p>
<p>In after the fact interviews employees in the Brooklyn office  said they considered the incident a hoax because Ms. Giles was dressed like a stereotypical prostitute and, while claiming to fear her abusive pimp, proceeded to speak openly to strangers about her circumstances.   </p>
<p>And an affidavit prepared by the San Bernardino, states that she was suspicious of the O&#039;Keefe, Giles, and a third man that accompanied them, and their story; was scared for her safety; and responded to their comments with outrageous statements, including that she had killed her husband and had previously run an escort service.  Seemingly because she thought this was what they wanted to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: debbie 1960</title>
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		<dc:creator>debbie 1960</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the red eye robots. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the red eye robots.</p>
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		<title>By: Mephitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mephitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof.  I agree without video, it never happened!!!! 
 
What, there&#039;s video of the same thing happening in half a dozen different Acorn offices?  And Everyone has seen them except altfreak and I have seen them? 
 
Never Mind </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof.  I agree without video, it never happened!!!! </p>
<p>What, there&#039;s video of the same thing happening in half a dozen different Acorn offices?  And Everyone has seen them except altfreak and I have seen them? </p>
<p>Never Mind</p>
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		<title>By: @ltnconservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>@ltnconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My &quot;conjecture of illegality?&quot; How is it conjecture? There&#039;s nothing to speculate. This isn&#039;t a he-said-she-said story based on someone&#039;s word, it&#039;s ALL CAUGHT ON TAPE!  And it&#039;s not an isolated incident, SEVERAL ACORN offices were caught. That&#039;s it. End of story. The fact that you bring up a totally different incident that O&#039;Keefe was involved in-that did not happen the way the MSM reported it and that has absolutely NOTHING to do with ACORN&#039;S criminal activity caught on tape-only weakens your argument because it&#039;s reaching and grasping for more straws. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &quot;conjecture of illegality?&quot; How is it conjecture? There&#39;s nothing to speculate. This isn&#39;t a he-said-she-said story based on someone&#39;s word, it&#39;s ALL CAUGHT ON TAPE!  And it&#39;s not an isolated incident, SEVERAL ACORN offices were caught. That&#39;s it. End of story. The fact that you bring up a totally different incident that O&#39;Keefe was involved in-that did not happen the way the MSM reported it and that has absolutely NOTHING to do with ACORN&#39;S criminal activity caught on tape-only weakens your argument because it&#39;s reaching and grasping for more straws.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Once ACORN tried to assist, in formation of an illegal immigrant child prostitution ring, at one location it was enough to tarnish them at the rest.  5 locations was devastating enough for them to close locations, destroy records, get defunded, and now change name.   
 
Why change names if you are legit?  Multiple names even?   
 
James outfit has nothing to do with ACORN corruption and intent to defraud.  Bitter much? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Once ACORN tried to assist, in formation of an illegal immigrant child prostitution ring, at one location it was enough to tarnish them at the rest.  5 locations was devastating enough for them to close locations, destroy records, get defunded, and now change name.   </p>
<p>Why change names if you are legit?  Multiple names even?   </p>
<p>James outfit has nothing to do with ACORN corruption and intent to defraud.  Bitter much?</p>
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		<title>By: palmtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>palmtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try but they lied about him wearing that outfit. Spin it anyway you want, they were dishonest about that point , and most likely we will find out they have been dishonest about a lot more. That&#039;s usually how it works. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try but they lied about him wearing that outfit. Spin it anyway you want, they were dishonest about that point , and most likely we will find out they have been dishonest about a lot more. That&#039;s usually how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: R_Swift</title>
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		<dc:creator>R_Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another democrat pimp </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another democrat pimp</p>
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