In yet another blow to progress and achievement and the advancement of man, Obama aims to axe the moon mission. The White House budget proposal slated to be released Monday strips all funding for NASA’s Constellation program, a plan to resume manned moon landings by 2020. It also ends funding for the Ares I rocket that had been set to replace the space shuttle, and the Ares V cargo rocket that was to carry supplies needed for humans to go to the moon.

Instead, despite the revelations that exposed the global warming hoax, pulling the mask off the largest fraud in human history, Barack Obama is going full speed ahead with his plan to redistribute the West’s wealth to Third World nations in an attempt to halt a chimerical “global warming.”
He doesn’t seem to care that it’s all a hoax. The University of East Anglia’s climate research unit (CRU), which has been a chief source for the evidence of global warming, was exposed last year when emails came to light showing that researchers there had deliberately covered up data that didn’t fit their theory. And this week the university came under fire again, when it was found to have violated laws by refusing to hand over its raw data for inspection after the coverup came to light. Nevertheless, Obama’s top climate negotiator, Todd Stern, announced that the Obama Administration remained intent on setting the U.S. on the road to economic suicide by reducing carbon emissions by 17 percent by 2020 – a plan that would decimate the American economy and relegate us to Third World status.
Ayn Rand said it best:
During the nineteenth century, mankind came close to economic freedom, for the first and only time in history. Observe the results. Observe also that the degree of a country’s freedom from government control was the degree of its progress. America was the freest and achieved the most.
But now we have left the Age of Enlightenment and entered the Age of the Philistine. It hurts the heart, this rapid deterioration of the conditions in which free men produce, invent, and prosper, because of government taxation and regulation. Americans are paying the price of force. Big government has been encroaching on our lives for decades now, and with Obama in the White House, the bottom is falling out.
The changes are imperceptible on a daily basis, but for those of us over forty, it is not hard to recall the differences. Particularly the small differences. Eastern Airlines (long defunct) was the most familiar carrier New York to Florida – and every flight was an experience. (For a time, it was even run by a NASA astronaut, the commander of Apollo 8, Frank Borman.) To the privileged was the champagne and the ice cream sundae cart. That lovely little cart would make its way down the aisle, and you’d choose from the sprinkles or the whipped cream or the hot sauce atop your favorite flavor. Silly, I know, but like most things, this lagniappe went the way of the horse and buggy, as did the hot meals that every airline once served. And how could all this not have disappeared? The government taxed everything from soup to nuts. From the fuel surcharges to security fees, all these new taxes always come out of the consumer’s pocket. Air travel went from being an experience to dreaded harassment.
Who can forget the excitement of the Concorde? The Concorde was going to be the future of air travel, in which we’d bop from place to place in half the time. Now the Concorde is defunct. Kaput. Much like the environment for producers and businessmen, who are the recurring “villains” in the set pieces of Democrats, statists, collectivists, moochers and looters.

Everything is worse, less, smaller, and more expensive. When you went on vacation, the valet took your car. Now it’s $24.95 to park your rental car at the hotel.
Are these industries gouging the customer? No. They are trying to stay in business.
This is the price of force. This is the price of coercion. This is the price of statism. This is the price of big government. The very idea of America has been subsumed by an enslavement mentality.
In a rational world, we wouldn’t need a NASA. The private industry would do it all, but government has just about snuffed out every possibility of that.
And now Obama is killing space exploration. Billions for graft and corruption and his union army and even more for the junk science of global warming, but nothing for the future discovery and the progress of man. It’s awful. The collapse of science is all but complete.
Trillions for global hoaxing, the middle finger for science. And for Americans, Third World conditions.






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This is his plan all along and he realizes now that the American people are on to him so he has to steal as much as he can and give it to other countries that will support him in the UN before he it thrown out of the united States. He knows now he will be a one term president but his plans are bigger that America now. If he can give away all of americas wealth to all the socialist and communist countries and other america hating countries they will sopport him in his bid for the larger stage. The president of the UN.
Well, there is no oppressed proletariat laboring under the thumb of a lunar bourgeoisie, so what's the point?
Most of Obama's followers don't believe we ever landed on the moon in the first place. If you don't believe me just ask one you will see
We will have to rename NASA any ideas?
the Rooskies, the Red Chinese, and India can't WAIT to get there…
And why not us? Because there is ENERGY on the moon- Helium 3- which could provide clean fusion energy for a millenia. It will make the abovementioned countries insanely wealthy.
Can't have that here. No, no creation of wealth in the United States. Just blow the $$ on 'climate research' that THEY know is a planetary phenomenon- Mars is 'warming' as well.
It's called the Sun…
Yep, he sure is another JFK. Did anyone tell this guy that JFK was the president whose policy put men on the moon? What country is this guy from anyway.
Dear NaziFonz:
No.
Signed. Teh Evulz Joo Conspiracy!1
He's more of another FDR, since his policies will delay our nation's economic recovery, while simultaneously burdening the nation with new layers of regulation and bureaucracy.
"What country is this guy from anyway."
Well, since he's spent a mint to keep the answer to that question from the public, I think the answer would surprise a lot of people.
Well, you have to have your clueless liberal priorities!
I think it's a tragedy how we accomplished going to the moon using technology from the 1960s, and have done bloody little since. Why did we stop? Why did we not update the shuttles sooner? Sure, we've done some great thing with unmanned exploration, but we never should have stopped the moon missions.
And now, jackass stops the next step.
I think we should stop giving money to loser liberals to sit on their asses all day and collect checks.
Right out of the playbook guys "tie the scientists funding to proving his BS in climate change so he can Justify giving america to the rest of the world. Do you really think NASA will tell him he has no clothes on. Their livelyhood is now tied to supporting his BS. Say good by to science. Who needs it any We never went to the moon anyway right?
We're last in nuclear and fast becoming a third world country the progressives have always envisioned for us. We shared our nuclear plant plans with China who now have 15 – even Europe are way ahead of us.
It doesn't even matter that the American people consider the environment last on their list of priorities – we've become a dictatorship….
http://people-press.org/report/584/policy-priorit...
'Hoax and Chains'
They have used manipulated and cherry picked data to propagandize a majority into believing this bunk.
It will be used to keep the 3rd world chained in poverty; unable to develop any meaningful energy sources.
It will be used to chain the western democracies into subservience to the global will.
We must not and WILL not capitulate.
As Al Gore has repeated said, "The debate is over."
It has been won by exposing the fraud. Now we have to educate the world.
And we have to elect representatives that understand the stakes.
This is one issue that deserves to be disqualifier for any candidate that shows any signs of buying into the fraud.
You May have missed it but replace A for America to A for Africa and you now know we have become white slaves and ubama said it was a deal that Russia will now be charging $51 million per person we want flown to the space station.
United States of Africa, land of the zilou white tribe.
You paint a rather bleak picture Pam., Looks like we're headed for that inglorious dystopia on the Obama Express and the rails are not made of Rearden Steel….
I had to laugh yesterday, when he was talking to the Republicans in MD, when he said "I am not an Ideologue"…He's the ultimate child of the 'radical '60's….Bill Ayres his BidBrother and Rev Wright his father figure..
Obama is a minnow, that thinks he's a shark, swimming along in a sea of corruption, getting cover from the MSM, money from the Union Machine, voted in by drones educated in the Public School Madrassas.
It is indeed a bleak picture for the cause of Liberty and Freedom…
YOU ARE GETTING BAD FACTS FROM BAD REPORTERS!
I’m amazed at how a few bad articles by reporters who don’t understand anything about aerospace or space exploration have caused everyone to freak out over something that isn’t true at all. Especially when the very important details of this plan aren’t even public yet.
President Obama’s plan is probably the only thing he’s done so far that can be called conservative. He is NOT cancelling plans to go to the Moon, or Mars, or anywhere else. What he is doing is cancelling the Gov’t build rocket program that is way over budget and wouldn’t put the first Gov’t employee back on the moon until 2023 at the earliest. Instead he is going to turn over all of NASA’s launch needs to COMMERCIAL PROVIDERS. That’s right, he’s getting NASA out of the launch business and making them help build a new commercial manned launch capabilities using companies like SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin, Lockheed, XCOR, etc.
As far as the global warming stuff there is some additional money but it is all part of a restoration of NASA’s R&D program. Constellation, NASA’s currently over budget plan, sucked up so much money over the past 4 years that it sucked NASA’s basic R&D programs dry. This is simply restoring that budget to what its always been.
I’ve been a conservative/libertarian since I was 16. As an engineer I’ve been skeptical of AGW since before most people knew what the term was. Please don’t make a knee-jerk reaction to Obama’s plan for NASA based on your reactions to his other programs. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is one of those times.
Thank God all you people in are in minority and will continue to be. This supposed author calls global warming a “hoax”. Where are her? facts. Just another teabagger spouting off without backing it up with REAL facts. KTBA
More news about the scam artists at the UN:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7009081.ece
Too bad we have to read a British publication to get more of the truth about the biggest hoax in the history of the world.
PEOPLE! We can't go to the moon when everyone knows it's China's turn to conquer space! How much money did the Bam-meister get from China to help him win the election?
Paybacks are a biotch and the US continues to bow to China…
Meanwhile the Chinese want to monoploize windmills and OMG! ain't it funny how windpower has become so important?
Link to ALL the stuff China wants to do in space: ain't it cool?
http://www.spacedaily.com/dragonspace.html
gmh-
Quoted today in the UK times-
"Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists."
This is just one of the facts that libtards like you refuse to comprehend. You need to learn to read something besides comic books.
Don't forget the Embryonic Stem Cell Research Hoax… which has not yet led to a single cure, although the less controversial stem cells derived from adult tissue have led to many. Yet, Mr. Obama continues to fund the former and pretend like the latter are less potent.
3 names: Christie, McDonnell, Brown.
the inconvienent truth is NASA hasn't really progressed much since the moon landing. they are still using the same basic rocket design patented in 1914 by Dr. Goddard. Trillions of dollars and all they got is something out Tim the Toolmans bag of tricks BIGGER MORE? 70 to 80 percent of your fuel to carry your fuel ? even i know there's something wrong with that. they need to come up with a more efficient and less dangerous source of energy not to mention a piece of debris smaller than a penny and you have a ship full of dead astronauts. give them money for that but untl then one word ROBOTS
Minority? Perhaps, perhaps not. But as to people who consider AGW to be a leading concern, over the economy, jobs, national security, etc, they are decidedly in the minority.
Heh. With the exception of the hemp wearing/smoking, hacky sack juggling, overly pierced contingent, most people put the question of what Hollywood denizen is schtupping what other Hollywood denizen ahead of the AGW hoax. Just compare sales of People, Cosmopolitan, and The Enquirer to sales of magazines that teach you how to wipe your behind with poison ivy.
This thinking that we can afford the moon when we are flat broke and in massive debt – get a clue – until we cure the deficit and balance the budget, along with cutting massive income-tax rates, including elimination of capital-gains taxes and death taxes, then scaling back government welfare programs, we have no biz even considering it.
There is nothing to tax on the moon. No one to indoctrinate.
Do some web searching and you might acctually find the inconvient facts that put the AGW fraud in clear context.
Using standard name-calling is simply inane and only diminishes any credibility your post may otherwise have.
"Are these industries gouging the customer? No. They are trying to stay in business."
The same is true of most companies today – particularly insurance companies. Insurance is one of the most highly-regulated industries in the country, and consequently it is also one of the most expensive. Regulation ALWAYS means higher prices. Always.
"There is nothing to tax on the moon. No one to indoctrinate."
lol
There is a simple solution to all of this. IMPEACH OBAMA!!! If you don’t want to live your life as a slave, start pressuring your representatives to impeach the sorry SOB. It would be the first step in taking back our country from the progressives in both parties.
Quoted today in the UK times-
"Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists." Pachauri had this info at least 2 months prior to Copenhagen.
"Dr Pacharui has also been accused of using the error to win grants worth hundreds of thousands of pounds."
It is up to you to believe whatever you wish, but if you really want the truth, you must seek it. This whole thing is nothing but a scam to put money in the pockets of thieves… your money, my money, everyone's money.
I propose a new policy here…..When fools like gmh, the Fonz, Dhasselhoff, PTecknologr post here, we just ignore them…just like we will do after Nov, when they are gone from Congress.
They can scream, spout, cry a river of drivit, anti-semitism and hate but we will just smile and do what's right for US….
I've given up responding, it's a waste of time and "ink"….
Stop responding to them…Eventually they go away…
Clicked on the union link. Wow, what a picture. I've seen better mug shots from crack heads in LA.
Not "hoax"" – that denotes no monetary gain.
Call man-made global warming a "FRAUD", because many people are intentionally deceiving to make billions.
It is amusing to read of "minorities" and "consensus" with regards to AGW and science in general. Science does not work that way, and when science is subordinated to politics, tremendous harm can be done. Science must remain the most free of the free markets, and free markets are not beholden to consensus. Intrusion on that marketplace ideas with political forces inevitably leads to corruption of its output; the goal ceases to be truth, but expedience.
It is interesting that this announcement about NASA comes at the same time as India's announcement of it's foray into space.
Excellent point. The mistake that so many poorly informed leftists make, is that their purity of intentions (just wanting to make sure the polar bear cubs have ice floes to play on, for example) imply similarly pure intentions of the leaders of the greenies.
Useful idiots, Lenin called them.
Carter I destroyed the original NASA. Carter II will finish the job.
[...] one giant step backwards for mankind……. FROM-Big Journalism Obama’s War on Science: Trillions for a Hoax, but Not One Cent for NASA’s Moon Mission by [...]
Do not fear. Nixon cut the space program too. We will overcome this fellow; hang in there. 9 short months. Less than a pregnancy. Deep breathes and on election night we will witness the birth of our nation once again with respect for individual liberty, states rights and fiscal sanity.
Great article! We don’t need no stinkin science! One of the few things at a moment in time (Mercury through Apollo) where government actually did something well. Now NASA in many ways is a bloated self serving beaurocracy in search of a mission.
You brought back memories of flying, when I was a kid we wore suits on the plane.
This spoof of climate science may be of interest:
http://climaterealists.com/?id=4960
Very true. And "Useful Idiots" is the title of an excellent book by Mona Charen. Shalom!
Who is that? The Republican politicians?
I like the metaphor. The United States is pregnant with peaceful revolution.
Of course, the statists will do their damnedest to abort her. That's why the Tea Partiers have to keep up their sidewalk counseling, and the new media has to keep track of her gestation show the public her beautiful fact scans.
I like the metaphor. The United States is pregnant with peaceful revolution.
Of course, the statists will do their damnedest to abort her. That's why the Tea Partiers have to keep up their sidewalk counseling, and the new media has to keep track of her gestation show the public her beautiful fact scans.
Dear gmh6419
I reckon you stand with AL gore and OSAMA BIN LADDEN, as a true believer. Be carefull of the company you keep for it is how the world see's you.
Fonz, Fonz, Fonz…..what's the trouble? No friends? Thought you could "join up" with the Jew-bashers just to belong to a group?
Don't be a "Useful Idiot", Fonz.
Terrorism doesn't disappear if we don't support Israel. The Jihadists also want Spain back (they lost it in the 1200's) and if you knew any history you'd understand the jihad doesn't stop until Sharia is the only law in the world.
You are pathetic, but I'm praying for you. Shalom! (from an Irish barbarian)
From David, an Atlas reader and engineer, who emailed me this eyeopner on NASA::
No preview!
argh
s/b eye opener
Zionism doesn't stop until "Greater Israel" is achieved. They started this nonsense and we pay a huge cost for aligning ourselves on one side where we have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Here is a fact. Michael Mann's famous "HOCKEY STICK" graph is exellent scientific proof that thermometers are more accurate than tree rings for measuring temperature.
WYATT
Well yeahhhhh. I mean name just one thing that the space program has ever given back to us. There is nothing we use every day or most days of any value. However if we invest trillions of dollars in crap and tax look at all the good we can do for the poor nations, which are in large part black and many Muslim, who woulda thunk that.
We can never raise third world countries into civillized nations but we most assuredly can reduce ours to third world status. Thereby eliminating all that third world jealousy stuff.
Didn't even notice the typo…You are fine writer with much to say… Keep it up…
Your derangement knows no bounds…I had a mutt named "The Fonz"…I put him down,, 'cause he was sick and out lived his usefulness…Getting the picture?
Go TF away and spout your crap over on the all-Nazi all the time site "Stormfront"… You will be welcomed there…
I guess you don't drink TANG? Guess not….But the 3rd world stuff is good…Thumbs up…
The world has now seen anthropogenic global warming for the fraud that it is. From the IPCC chief hiding data, to the manipulated data at East Anglia’s climate research unit to the manipulated data by a NASA employee, it is clear AGW is just a means to fleece the American taxpayer and western nations.
It would be akin to Bernie Madoff still being considered legitimate and receiving taxpayer dollars. Any politician that supports this outrageous fraud should be imprisoned. If Hussein signs any laws based on this blatant scam he should be impeached and imprisoned.
Minority? The vast majority of people believe AGW is a scam which it has been proven to be. But you wouldn't know that since you get your news from MSLSD.
Liberalism and all the stupidity that comes with it has been rejected by the American people, from MA to NJ. Hussein is the product of a momentary lapse of reason. The correction has begun, by 2012 it will be complete and Hussein will be an unemployed national pariah.
This scam is a lot bigger than Obama. The left's been working on this since the late 60's and early 70's. Combine the zealotry of religion with voodoo science, and wrap it all up in a nice social justice bow.
You've really got to hand to it them. They thrive in breaking down society into various groups, pit them against each other, and then pretend to leap to the rescue through the power of government. And this time they've managed to come up with the largest victim group ever – the entire world,
If Cap & Trade can be implimented on the Moon, Obama & Co. are in!
Enjoy your last few months as a majority.
Use the remaining time learning how to fashion a sentence.
To be honest, from an economics stand point, going to the moon doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not like there's any Unobtainium there.
I was just as thrilled as the next school kid in 1969. And true, it was a big boon to technology. But the biggest reason for that was simply national pride. After Sputnik, we had to prove we were still number 1. Well we did that.
I'd be all for it again, provided there was some financial benefits for all the billions it would cost. But quite frankly, I can't really see any.
Better "Greater Israel" than "All Mighty Islam"
Islam and Nazism are "facebook" friends though.
Dave,
You are partly right. NASA has failed to do much new and impressive in the last three decades. However, in their defense, you can't keep scraping 10 year development programs every 4-6 years and expect to make any progress.
This is an obvious political move. The Congressman who abandoned the Democrats is from Huntsville and NASA Marshall Flight Center. More Chicago thug politics by the current administration.
I'm not sure where you've been since 9/11 but al qieda and the rest of the losers have made it perfectly clear what they want. A world wide caliphate. Even if the US did abandon Israel, it wouldn't stop their hatred for everything western.
See, its not just Israel. They want you either on a prayer rug five times a day kowtowing to their twisted views, or dead. Makes no difference to them.
Without Israel, they'd be able to focus all their attention on the US and the UK.
Give me a break. The return to the moon budget is an insignificant portion of the budget. It pales in comparison to bailing out Wall Street. It has long term returns. Read a history book. Look at the impact discovering the new world had on the history of Western civilization.
America has nothing to gain from siding with democracies over dictators, thugs and monarchs?
What's next on your list of ways of solving the world's problems? Turn over South Korea to the North? Abandon Taiwan to China? How about we just cut to the chase and submit our selves to serfdom? End democracy and freedom, will they be happy then?
"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"
Patrick Henry – March 23, 1775
National Administration for Petulant Lefty Causes, Scams and Hoaxes.
VIDEO: Cold keeps Minn. wind turbines from spinning
Wind turbines placed in cities across Minnesota to generate power aren't working because of the cold temperatures.
The Minnesota Municipal Power Association bought 11 turbines for $300,000 each from a company in Palm Springs, Calif.
Special hydraulic fluid designed for colder temperatures was used in the turbines, but it's not working, so neither are the turbines.
There is a plan to heat the fluid, but officials must find a contractor to do the work.
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1390565.shtml
heh
You can't let a little thing like facts get in the way of science. There's a world to be saved! Grab a ribbon, bracelet, sign, and get out there marching!
It's always darkest before the dawn.
I was going to comment, but I think you took the words right out of my mouth.
At times I find it good practice for dealing with modern liberals in the real world. Gives me a chance to sharpen my sarcasm.
Just don't let them get to you. I read the with amusement. "This is what passes for humor in your world?"
I hear its nice and quiet.
I believe the correct question is where is the proof its occurring? Because scientific evidence is pretty clear, any upward trend in temperatures stopped around 1998, and are now steady or dropping.
Add on top the Climategate emails which specifically state tricks to hide declines, refusal to turn over raw data, despite laws forcing them to do so. And now we find not only did the assertion the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 was a lie – the originator of the quote admits he said purely to create pressure on politicians – and he's just admitted he knew it was false at least a month before Copenhagen.
I'm really having a hard time to trying to find any proof that any of this warming ever occurred.
Let me get this straight- In your strange universe, the proportional response to a accidental engagement of our ship during a time of war between Israel and Egypt, where Israeli planes and torpedo boats mistook our vessel for an Egyptian one reported in the exact same area, is to nuke a city of over a million people?
Okay, any further responses to this vile idiot are useless. Just subtract a point and leave it at that.
Crack heads are probably more honest. At least they don't expect you to thank them when they rob you.
There are somethings government does well, not many, but some. When the deliverables are very narrowly defined, government can come through. Put one pair of boots on the moon and bring them back safely. Period. That's it.
It's the very grand and hazy missions that government truly sucks at – ending poverty, curing cancer, controlling the weather, that's what they truly suck at.
Israel is just an excuse for their ambitions to expand Islam into every corner of the globe. Israel happens to be a very productive ally of our. Much of our most advanced weaponry was co-developed by the Israelis. Israel is also a leader in computer sciences and has more Nobel laureates per capita (for what that's worth after Obama got the peace prize), than any other country on Earth.
Pretty much, yep.
Follow the money. Obama wants a gazillion tons of it. And it's all going to come from We The People.
If they wanted that, the US would be a Muslim country from the start. Muslims have been around far longer than the US….far longer than anything recognizable in Europe as it is now. If we weren't invading their countries they wouldn't even know we exist most likely. Like the stupid Americans interviewed on the street that don't know where other countries are on a map.
Why aren't they attacking Switzerland and Brazil? Why not ROME – the very SYMBOL of Christianity?????? See, your views don't hold up to reality.
If you are concerned about Muslims END IMMIGRATION. Bush allowed massive immigration in to the US – why?
Why are Nazis tolerated here?
Like Cuba was an excuse for our ambitions to take over the world during the Cold War?
Imagine a USSR-backed Cuba that was invading Florida. Think USSR's backing of Cuba wouldn't have been an issue? Fool. The US gains nothing from all this money we waste on Israel and it costs us far more as it buys us enemies.
If they are so great, then they don't need our money. See, your side is completely indefensible which is why your kind usually resorts to name-calling.
It was to be expected. This one is a mulsim sympathizer communist who will see anything American as bad. He’s the kind that would have planted a rainbow flag on the Moon instead of the one that reminds all others that, no, they can’t put their own there. And who wouldn’t approve of a trip to Mars unless under the auspices of the united nations.
This little number is the Anti Ayn Rand, anti America, anti Freedom and anti decency.
We haven’t even seen half of it.
If we give him the chance even Orwell would say “hey! . . . Why didn’t I think of that?”
And there in lies their true hatred for Israel.
It's kind of hard to convince your restive populations that massive oppression and crushing tyranny are necessary for survival when a relatively democratic society thrives in their midst.
The only way to do it is to demonize Israel, lie about them and tell the people 'Look at Gaza and the West Bank. That's what you all will be if we don't protect you from them, and that requires oppression, corruption, violence and death.
My favorite one is the new low energy traffic signals Green Bay, Wi. They don't generate enough heat in severe cold to melt the snow.
What a hoot.
Nothing in your first paragraph makes any sense.
As to your claim that Islam predates any modern Western establishment, you have no knowledge of history. The Catholic church predates Islam by over six hundred years. Islam from its beginning was an Imperialistic enterprise which wrested and forcibly converted the Middle east from Christian and Zoroastrian hands, and continued to do so through North Africa and Spain until turned back by Byzantine and Frankish armies.
The stated goals of every Jihadist does not end with the destruction of Israel, but the eventual spiritual and political domination of Islam over the entire world.
Stop bitching about name calling. You're the one who advocated the nuking of an entire city for an attack on a single ship. You are a vile idiot and a poor debater.
Miss Geller (and the majority of you, posters on this wonderful website), please don't have any kids. Your gene pool has to die with you. I will gladly give you money if you promise not to have any kids. Let me know. If you respond with yes, I will give you my contact info and we can take it from there. Don't forget: Your gene pool has to end with you. That is the only condition.
Wow, hard to know where to begin with, there's so much bat shit crazy stuff in that response.
First off, that is exactly what they want (the violent radicals), they've made no secret about their desires. Bin loosers first real goal is to topple the Saudi family assume the leadership, and there by gain control of the Muslim holy sites, and there by – he assumes – control of Islam itself.
I have no idea what your statement about America being formed as a Muslim country from the start. I assume its moon bat droppings. Adherence to radical ideology of world wide domination and oppression really weren't much of mach for the British navy.
And you really should check with the news more often before coming up with positions. There's been a lot of terror cells rounded up in Italy, including one attempt to poison Rome's water supply because its the seat of the Vatican. I also noticed you skipped naming countries like Spain, the UK, Indonesia, Bali and others where they were and are massive terrorist attacks. Selective facts is a really amateurish tactic by modern liberals. Its so easy to prove wrong.
And what a wonderful ending, with absolutely no facts, reason and logic, you decide to leap to the conclusion that I must be against Muslim immigration. I do remember how wonderful that felt back in the day when I was a modern liberal attacking anyone who didn't tow the party line. Ah, those were the days. But alas, it wasn't as satisfying as the truth. I've not written one thing about ending any immigration to the US. You see we need immigrants. After a few generations Americans tend to become lazy, demanding things from government, expecting the country owes us a living. We need the life blood of immigrants from oppressive regimes, they understand true freedom and liberty, in a way no modern liberal ever could. They know the real difference between a government that gasses tens of thousands in order to preserve a dictators rules, and the supposed oppression of having to drive past a Walmart.
Is this really the best you can come up? Because I have to tell you, I'm not impressed. My teenage daughter puts up a better debate than this argument.
I sent him over to STORMFRONT, where his ilk spew their bile 24/7, but he insists on hanging around to get pounded by "edSki"…Oh well….I
n my world, here on the Plains, Nazis are the equivalent of child rapists…There is no hope, no redemption, and no 1st Ammendment, so we just throw 'em in the rattler pit where their own kind make short work of 'em….
it is an amazing thing, Ed- just why we seem hell bent on NOT producing energy for the US…
NAPLCSH …doesn't really roll off the tounge…Or spell anything pithy…Try again..
The President did not kill the NASA funding. The economy, thanks to George Bush and his fictional war killed NASA. President Obama is trying to do what Republicans have always claimed they've wanted to do — be fiscally responsible. My SO is a flight controller at NASA and these cuts effect us personally. If you really want to know where to lay blame, please check out the recent voting record of Sen. John Cornyn. HE voted *against* NASA's proposed budget. As the Senator for Texas, he represents their interests. Or PRETENDS he does. It sends a powerful and damaging signal when the Sen. for Texas behaves in such a partisan and self-defeating manner.
I'll be happy to review the internal details of the proposed moon mission with you and the reasons why it has not gone forward but the President has not made this decision on the Constellation program unilaterally. I can not let you suggest that. Further, the decision has been made to support private industry in helping them partner with NASA to achieve our space goals. I can't imagine that you would have difficulty with private industry jobs and scientific advances being made by the private sector that will ultimately benefit all of the United States–??
This is such a serious mistake that I cannot bring myself to be sarcastic about it.
Space exploration IS the future; pouring tax dollars down social engineering ratholes is almost a 100% waste.
Dropping out of the competition to develop space capabilities deliberately cripples our technological edge, or what's left of it. We're handing the advantage to others and abandoning our children to the threat of oppression from unaccountable regimes that will develop new capabilities and technologies.
It's unforgivable and cannot be allowed to happen.
RG, it's you and your cohorts who will do anything for a buck, not us, but if you have some extra disposable income, send it to the Salvation Army, so they can continue their good works in Haiti and elsewhere around the world.
We need one or all of the MSM alphabet channels to get honest and tell the truth…Until the drones hear it from one of their own, they will remain in the dark and clueless ….
Which one will it be???
"Thank God all you people in are in minority and will continue to be."
Keep believing those MSNBC polls, gmh6419. Meanwhile, the independents and actual rational Dems will continue their seismic move to the right and come November, we'll see who's in the minority.
I think most of the people who frequent this forum are willing to be convinced that climate change is a reality if we're presented with information developed by reputable scientists in fora not hijacked by agenda driven NGOs; what we're unwilling to accept is the alleged "findings" of corrupt scientists in league with multilateral cabals angling for financial and trade advantage.
It has turned out that the climate change coreligionists are their own worst enemies. If climate change is a reality and if our futures depend on doing something about it, then they are the main culprits in setting back any necessary progress through their lies and deceitful tactics.
FONZ——Of all the post on all the sites, your post about ISRAEL has to be the most IDIOTIC, IGNORANT, STUPIDEST, DIMWITTED post ever posted on any site.
YOU must live in a bubble or too high to have a clear thought.
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