The important issue prompted by the Rolling Stone article isn’t Gen. McChrystal’s defiance or rank insubordination. It’s the announced deadline for troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, an insane move that guarantees defeat, as well as other war-losing moves. Would you ally yourself with foreign forces that you know are going to exit, and the day they do, you know you and your family will be beheaded?
All the talk about whether Obama firing McChrystal is a sideshow important to the Leftist media because they want Obama to look tough. But bad war-running from the oval office will continue a path to defeat. The real question is whether we are going to stop telegraphing our intentions to the enemy and get serious about the enemy.

The administration won’t even define the enemy beyond saying al Qaeda. Al Qaeda? What’s al Qaeda? A bunch of guys in caves who drill in the desert? Is that our only enemy? If we eliminate them, the war is won? Who does the administration think they are kidding? The real enemy is a religious philosophy held by extremist Muslims which says anyone who doesn’t believe as they do should yield or die. Yes, not every Moslem believes that. But so what?
Enough do that they have decimated our greatest city, killed thousands of our citizens, made giant inroads in occupying Europe and are plotting more death and destruction everywhere. Saying we’re fighting al Qaeda is like saying we were fighting the Nazi SS in WWII.
I have not yet read the Rolling Stone article on McChrystal. To listen to the mainstream media, I don’t have to. He’s committed a crime almost as bad as BP. But in my mind, he’s done what any good commander would do. When pushed, he’s told the truth. We’re in big trouble. American soldiers are dying in Afghanistan and the administration which sends them there doesn’t know, or want to know, how to win.
How could they? They don’t like the military. Few of them have served in it. The commander in the field asks for 40,000 troops and gets 20,000. That’s support? Enemy combatants are given rights as if they were American citizens while Pentagon lawyers prowl military operations looking for violations of enemy rights.
At best, McChrystal is guilty of bad public relations. He gave another militarily-hostile entity – Rolling Stone – access. They crucified him. I guess he should have known better. Even his friends are saying bad judgment. This is the world we live in. Nobody tells the truth to the public – especially those in Washington. Yes, it’s a breach of military etiquette to publicly air dirty laundry. But there also comes a time when good men have to stand up. In the late 1940s, a group of US admirals resigned or were fired after publicly clashing with the president and Pentagon over the role of nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers. The Pentagon felt nuclear bombers made the carriers obsolete. The admirals thought that was tactically and morally wrong. Nuking should be a last option. They were proved right as the carrier became the implement of American might.

McChrystal is in much the same position. Whatever his motives and indiscretion, he’s fighting a battle with much against him. If the administration doesn’t get serious about the war, it is probably lost, whatever they do to him. Gen. Petraeus will have the same problems. Politicians – not soldiers – lost Vietnam. It is happening again. The enemy knows exactly what to do in this situation. Wait until the announced troop withdrawal occurs and fill the vacuum. That is the real problem the Rolling Stone article points up.






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"Gen. McChrystal’s defiance or rank insubordination"
Bollocks. Soldiers griping, which Obama's media fluffers tried to portray as Truman/MacArthur. Obama's "toghness" is the reaction of a pissy little boy with hurt feelings.
(And please don't give me that crap about officers never bitching about the CinC in private. They do, all the time. Especially when the NCA is a clueless idiot- you *really* don't think the officer corps had some choice but quiet things to say about Jimmy Carter?)
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i think urkel was more intimidating than obama. if you do something like build nukes, or sink ships, he will be very mad at you. if you try to become a dictator, obama has your back. if you nationalize your economy, obama wants a photo op with you. if you however are the pm of israel, obama does not want to be seen with you. if you run the largest communist country in the world, obama will bow and kiss your feet. and if you insult obama, he will replace you with a general he has already insulted to his face.
and bill clinton?
Either win the war or get out and stop getting Americans killed – wow that was hard. Who's in the best position to determin how to win, the troops on the ground or the politician in a comfy office 10,000 miles away? I think that's another no brainer.
The only subject the MSM routinly discusses about the military is whether gays can openly serve…talk about getting your priorities mixed up.
The MSM may talk about our President being tough but all I see is an inexperienced and incompitent politician trying to score points for and empirically proven-to-have-failed, socialist ideology.
The only thing failing faster than this President is….well nothing comes to mind right now.
I drove a VW bug through Afghanistan when I was 23, in the 70's. They have not changed. They are a tribal/clan society with several ethnic groups. THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT HAS MARGINAL CONTROL. That is the way they are. Who is the enemy? Taliban? I'm sure that's a broad definition. I doubt they are all religious zealots like the ones that hijacked the government.
They like to grow opium and weed. Let them. We are as alien to 95% of them as invaders from Mars are to us.
They don't want to be educated or democratic. They are marginally literate. Why should we care. They are armed ( you could buy a locally made Sten Gun in the baazaar in the 70's.
Let the so called warlords rule. Pay them tribute to keep the religious fanatics out. Just like Rome……..cheaper. We will never 'win'….because we don't know who the enemy is exactly.
Robert K. Wilcox,
You need to read the article and strip out the BS from the reporter, look only at the the McChrystal quotes and you will see he was fired for virtually no cause. It is being reported out of the White House the quote that made Obama flip out was the statement that the President was "Not Engaged in fighting this war" Truth hurts I guess.
Once this CinC placed the July 2011 withdraw date on Afghanistan it saddens me greatly to say this: Our men and women in uniform are sacrificing for no reason now.
As the hearings come up next week with Gen. Petraeus you will see that the date is firm as can be. Yes they will squirm but the President has never backed down or changed his tone. I cannot believe how brave our military is. Our Military has a sense of Honor that I wish all americans had. And yet they are lead by a shameful group of politicians in Washington that reside on both sides of the aisle. GOP silence is support, it is time to speak up!
I wonder, if team USA beats Ghana in that soccer game thingey, do they get to play Afghanistan next?
The current regime is clueless.
That is, unless it involves a game of golf, a visit by some Hollywood celebrity, or a date night.
Expect to hear next spring the "Afghanization" of the war, meaning that the US military will be handing over the fighting to the Afghan Army, whatever that is. Then, starting in July 2011, we will be leaving, obtaining that elusive "Peace with Honor" Obama will claim we need before abandoning the country to its fate. If they're smart, the Taliban will lie low for a few more months, until we actually do leave and then, once the bulk of our troops are gone, they will attack and take over the country. Then you will see thousands of Afghans (especially women) who supported the US storming the American embassy in Kabul, pleading to be let in and evacuated from Afghanistan. Then, as the country falls, you will see yet another "iconic" photograph of helicopters flying off the roof of the US embassy in Kabul. Obama's "good war" will be lost and you will have Hollywood making movies for generations to come on how all of this could have been easily avoided. But haven't we seen this movie before and why do we think it's going to end differently this time?
Dunno. I wasn't in then.
Oops.
I posted that, not knowing we had lost to Ghana.
I sure hope getting beat by a third world country isn't an omen, especially when it comes to Afghanistan.
You assume that our Military will be able to get enough fuel to make that clean of retreat. Pakistan will not let convoys through at this point you have described. Pakistan government knows what side the ISI is on when we start the pull out in July. Vietnam was on the coast. Afghanistan is land locked. Logistics become a nightmare and logistics win or lose wars.
Sorry to write this type of downer.
Obama was an idiot for even going to Afghanistan? And now that the idiot is there he doesn't even want to win it.
Hat tip to an anonymous friend for this link. Two pics in this article. Consider them both and then read this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/28/afghan...
And then read this article and consider the two pictures again and ask yourself : WHY???
I had a little more respect (none, really) when I thought they just abused their goats. What a bunch of sick fucks, no pun intended.
I was and we hated the sorry SOB for creating a cut throat military with his draw down. In the Army at least, everyone was looking for ways to throw others out thinking that would protect their own jobs. He was even more despised for attempting to legalize gays and lesbians.
Nah, might offend someone. I think a simple little "white-flag" (or maybe rainbow) would be more the order of the day for OhNotSee (ONazi, for the slow).
But at least we can rest easy tonight knowing the misogynist, homophobe bastards aren't REALLY gay. It's just a "cultural" thang, you see. PETA should be happy for all of their goat friends.
America COULD do whatever it wanted. Lack of will and vision is the problem. Let me be the first to Blame George Bush! Well, probably no better than second – the competition on that comes from the "top".
I like the photo of the official Obama Fan Club, followed by the photo of the official Reagan Fan Club.
Nah, when it comes to soccer the USA has always sucked. (I believe this is their best showing at the World Cup?) Now if they got beat in basketball or REAL football, I'd be more willing to think it ominous.
I thought that first pic was a group photo of the Democratic National Committee.
Look close at the raghead on the far left holding the AK-47. There is part of a face peering over his shoulder, I think it is Nancy Pelosi……….
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I'm not a fan of his strategy, but Obama didn't start the Afghan conflict. George W. Bush opened it as a war front after 9/11.
Please, please, I'm begging. Obama, bring back the "Powell Doctrine" from the first Gulf War.
With the policies of winning hearts and minds, no civilian casualties, medals awarded for restraint, permission required to kill a terrorist, and all the other b.s. I question if we have the will to win in Afghanistan.
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This administration is such a joke!!
Here you have a career military man, hero, general, trying to run a war on terms only a career community organizing, American hating, commander in chief would agree to, with an impossible timeline and handcuffing rules of engagement, let go because some little bedwetting weasel was able to get some juicy quotes over gin and tonics,
On the other hand there’s Ken Salazar, heading up the agency that is at least 50% responsible for the lax environment that led directly to the disaster, only to follow up with little action except to "put the foot on the throats" of BP, continually gets in the way of the Louisiana governments efforts to keep this crap of their shores, blatantly doctors reports that leads to 6 month moratorium (CRIMINAL I SAY). Adding language after the fact that was in direct opposition to what 7 of the scientists on the panel had concluded. What happened to accountability?
These are sad and scary times for our country and our military…We MUST make this administration LAME DUCK come November. And then we need to start the investigations, fast and Furious, Sestak, Blago, carbon Credit scam,
Unbelievable in-action in the gulf, our Governments lawsuits against its own states, election fraud etc etc etc, too much to list.
Put these bastards behind bars for treason and show these newly empowered enemies of our great land that we mean business,
Enough of this Crap already!
I think General McChrystal is relieved He is no longer working for this chicken sh!t Obamination. The General will happily spend the rest of life making a living saying "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!"
Pray for Our troops, Our Sons, and Our Daughters
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I want to know when someone from the MSM or the BBC are going to ask some tough questions from this piece of garbage who took over the White House.
Young people are dying in Afghanistan and I want some GD answers from this President.
Shout questiions at the man every time you see him at very photo op and hamberger stand outing demand some answers from this man. The WH press office take no more answers from Gibbs demand a real presss confrence.
The minute Obama put Holbrooke in there is the very minute the trouble started. Eikenberry is a tool and doesn't belong there either.
Oh the "Hope & Change" of it all. Remember when Gen Patraeus as Pres. Bush's guy. What was it? Oh ya! "GENERAL BETRAYUS" does anybody remember that far back? Not the MSM! I hope the Gen. makes THE CHOSEN ONE kiss his ass and get's anything he wants for saving his bacon. When the Military starts to bail on you your presidency usually doesn't end well (Think Jimmy "ASSHOLE" Carter). They don't cause it, they are just responding to insane leadership or ORGANIZATION.
A good friend of mine was a Navy pilot before, during, and after Johnson was President. He's told me that whenever Johnson was in the area all the pilots's ordnance would mysteriously disappear.
Leftists fundamentally distrust and despise the military.
The boots on the ground do, but the administration is as lost as Johnson was during the Nam "police action". The government with McNamara did the same in Nam with disastrous results. Guess the clowns in DC have never studied history. The first rule of war is there are no rules. It's win or lose. Otherwise keep the troops at home.
And Salazar still has his job. Goes to show that government rewards incompetence and inefficiency. In the private sector he would have been toast.
Let's hope McChrystal goes public with the facts as a civilian. His military career is history. He can retire and expose the stupidity of our administration and its trolls.
Obama is tough? WTF? The MSM is trying to convince us he is tough? Obama wouldn't make a pimple on McChrystal's ass! First they tried to convince us he is "brillant", now it's "tough." Obama is a bigger weenie than Carter!
After he canned McChrystal, Barry's handlers embedded "brilliant" in all the MSM bobble-heads, wound them up and sent them out. Meanwhile, they are continuing to potty-train the boy-who-would-be-dictator. "Oooh, what a big boy!" "Very good Barry!" "Good boy, look what you did!" "Ooooh, you are brilliant!" "Ooooh, you are tough!"
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I hope our new "rules of engagement" include no longer needing to dial a lawyer whenever you need to shoot someone.
Let's try this, tell the people in Kandahar that they have 24 hrs to turn over all of the Taliban leaders to us or they will die with them.
Obama wants to drag this out because they found a trillion dollars worth of lithium deposits there so we can have " war for green jobs" http://laruelive.blogtownhall.com/2010/06/14/war_...
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