Back when George W. “Miss Me Yet?” Bush was President, liberals exercised their right of free speech ad naseum to complain about how Bush was taking away their right of free speech. So you might expect that a liberal or two would express at least a little concern when freedom of expression in the western world is threatened in reality, instead of in theory. After all it’s happened just across the border in Canada and it’s happening right now, just across the pond in the Netherlands.

Try searching MSNBC or the Daily Kos for information about the Geert Wilders trial. Find anything? Me neither. Democratic Undergound, to their credit, did run a version of the story, although the fact that it was Al Jazeera’s version is disappointing, if predictable. A commenter or two even dared to suggest that perhaps Wilders should be free to criticize any religion he wants, including Islam. That kind of heresy was, of course, quickly slapped down with replies like this one:
It’s informative that your ideological hostility, towards major religions, leads you to sympathize with this rightwing European xenophobe: the fact, however, that you can patch his anti-Islamic rants into your own simplistic worldview, does not really qualify as evidence that Wilders is “on trial for telling the truth.” He is on trial because a court decided his remarks might violate the criminal law against incitement to hatred.
Wilders, charged with insulting Muslims, discrimination against Muslims and incitement to hatred went on trial on January 20. In his opening remarks, he asked the question that nobody on the left wants to answer when it comes to criticizing Islamofacsicm: “If something is true, how can it be illegal?” Here’s Wilders’ opening statement in full:
There’s much more on trial here than JUST Wilders’ personal rights. The Dutch politician’s Freedom Party is very popular in the Netherlands, so this trial is not merely about an individual’s freedom of expression, it’s about censoring an entire political movement. Can the Freedom Party’s stance to halt Muslim immigration to the Netherland’s survive if no one is allowed to explain why the issue matters?
Wilder’s brutally frank commentary on Islam, the short film Fitna, was hailed by Islamic critics and denounced by Islam’s apologists. The criticism has largely centered on claims that Wilders took verses from the Quran out of context or misinterpreted them. But Islam employs regiments of religious scholars who do nothing but divine the “true meaning” of the Quran. The truth of Fitna, and of Wilders’ courageous campaign, is that thousands of Muslims across the globe believe that the Quran enjoins them to lie, steal, cheat and murder because it is God’s will. Whether Wilders picked the right verses, or interpreted them correctly, is immaterial. The essential truth of his message, that an ascendant Islam is a dire threat to western culture, traditions and institutions is indisputable.
So why are liberals so blind to assaults on free speech whenever Islam is involved? A part of the answer, to be sure, involves the continuing liberal obsession with preserving the all important diversity/tolerance narrative. But, I submit, fear is the biggest factor. Muslims have demonstrated time and time again that they are willing to murder anyone who appears to insult their religion. That fact makes a lot of people rethink their commitment to free speech.
This is true even in America. When Yale University Press published the book The Cartoons That Shook The World, recounting the story of the Danish cartoons that were published in a 2005 and which set off a firestorm of Islamic indignation, leaving over 200 dead in the wake of violent protests, the cartoons were not themselves depicted in the book. The reason? Fear of Islamic reprisals. Consider the words of the Director of Yale University Press, John Donatich.
…when it came between that (publishing the cartoons) and blood on my hands, there was no question.

In the Netherlands one is free to say the most outrageous things about Jesus, Moses, Buddha or any other major religious figure – save one. One can criticize the tenets of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or any other “ism” you care to mock – save one. Islam will be, if gutless prosecutors get their way, officially immune from criticism in a Protestant nation that spent eighty years fighting a brutal religious war of independence from Catholic Spain in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. This is a symptom of a larger disease, one that has engulfed much of western Europe and threatens America as well. Some journalists have the courage to speak out in support of Wilders, whether or not they personally agree with his views. It’s a sad commentary about the state of journalism today that their numbers are so few.






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Good thing the founding FATHERS were not worried about blood on their hands, otherwise we would be singing God Save the Queen before our Cricket matches.
The left's stance on confronting anything that is morally centered is to denounce it as hateful and dangerous. If Wilders gets stabbed in the street, some thoughtful atheist liberal will comment, "Well what did he expect insulting a person's religion"?
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” (Reader’s Digest, December 1954)
Madness, utter madness.
Only the left has the right to criticize religion, and then, only religions that they do not fear a violent reprisal from. The broad brush they use to paint what they disagree with as hate is pure cowardice and proof of their lack of any defendable argument to support their own religious beliefs. Liberalism is their religion.
Yeah, right now the pro-deadbaby group (aka pro-abortion) is trying to ban a super bowl commercial out of fear that it may incite violence against abortion providers. I guess we can squelch speech for just about any reason as long as the left is ok with it.
Wilders is a brave soul and his trial should be given mainstream media coverage.
and Wildeers is gay to boot…
So, in the world of political correctness bashing Muslims beats bashing gays. Hmmmm… just think if he was pushing a leftist agenda- do you think his sexual orientation would become MUCH more important then?
Just asking…
The Islamic movement know how to work the system. It is O.K for them to call for the deaths of Christians, Hindus, and Jews, demand more Mosques, and their leaders to incite their followers to violence, because we are tolerant. They on the other hand, don't allow churches or temples, persecute Christians in Islamic countries, and kill converts from Islam. This is ALL in their Quran. Wilders was indeed telling the truth. Let their own words speak for themselves:
“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.” [Al-Qur’an 2:190-191]
It is a well-known fact of Islamic history, that fighting against aggressors was prohibited during the first thirteen years of the Prophet’s mission. After Muslims migrated to Medina, the verses above were revealed to enable the community to fight . Make no mistake, and dont be a dhimmi ( a non-islamic slave in Islamic lands)
When will you do a piece about David Irving and Zundel? Funny how your outrage is so selective when it comes to freedom. You want freedom to impugn one group while others can not even be questioned.
It also happened in the USA as well. Only it was the report by the government that wouldn't name Islam in it's Fort Hood report.
Couldn't of said it better myself !!!
“If something is true, how can it be illegal?”
Would you also accept that if something is true, it need not fear being questioned?
What an eloquent speech by a brave man. Thank you for this coverage.
If Geert Wilder is a thought criminal, check out this Arab on Egyptian TV…He looks like "dead man walking"…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzTRT5M6Kxg&fe...
Our world is being turned upside down by one religion….Islamofacism! Unfortunately for Europe they are out breeding all other groups and it their intention to infiltrate every country and bring in their Sharia Law. Meanwhile here in this country, they are indoctrinating our young in men in the prisons. There is also a Mosque in every University town in America, just waiting to indoctrinate anyone who walks through their doors. Meanwhile they are testing their ability to implement Sharia Law in our country. This should send a chill up all of our spines. If the left prevails in this country we too will go the way of Denmark. The progressive mindset will sell its soul to appease Islam and ultimately sell out to a society of intolerance of free speech…..free anything. Thank God I see us moving away from this progressive intolerance at this moment in history. But the fight isn't over yet!
I love how WIlders uses Thomas Jefferson to make his plea….
That was amazing—
I know the translation was correct–
I'm surprised it was aired.
-Thanks, Drifter, for the reference
For the record: I believe (as do many conservatives) that Holocaust deniers should be free to say whatever they want, and believe that prohibiting them from spouting their nonsense is ultimately counter-productive. Free speech is free speech, even when it's silly, and should be defended by all who cherish freedom. But, whereas censoring Holocaust deniers doesn't really affect anyone outside of a fervent fringe (of which I suspect this commenter is a part), censoring those who dare to point out the violence excesses of Islam is a grave threat to western ideals and liberties.
Voltaire, Thomas Paine and Elizabeth Cady-Stanton were all guilty of the same "crime" that Wilders has committed.
Wilders is not a racist or an antisemite, and he is openly scornful of those who are. He and his party are 'to the left" of Obama on the issue of Gay marriage. He and his party are for complete legal and political equality of men and women, that is to say, they are feminists. And yet Wilders is a "far-right" politician because he speaks the truth about Islam.
And even if one disputes the veracity of Wilders accurate statements about Islam — these are no different from the scathing critiques of Christianity that have been a central part of western intellectual discourse since the Enlightenment.
I thought that was a Churchill quote.
Too true. There are many tenets of Islam that are eerie and sometimes twisted echoes of their Judeo-Christian forebearers.
"Without God, there can be no peace. He is rightly called the “God of peace” (Romans 15:33)
Qur'an (8:39) – "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"
This is one good example I can think of.
WOW! That was great Drifter – thanks. Sometimes I'll have to tell stories about what it was like working in Saudi Arabia. Without western & Indian expertise, that country would cease to function. But I've never heard an Arab actually admit that, till this guy painted a target on his back.
Wow.
That torques me something fierce. Sure, we can watch a morning after pill commercial, but an encouraging message to women facing a tough decision? Nooo………….
True, but Allah ( I do not refer to their deity as god because Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, and its center was the Kabbaa (The big Black Square in Mecca) When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god. ) is only the God of Peace to Islamic adherents. The Muslim's believe that it is there duty to destroy or beat into submission all other adherents of other faiths, then peace will reign.
I wasn’t trying to imply that Allah and the Judeo-Christian God were the same being. But it is known that Mohammad borrowed heavily from the Bible when he set about crafting his new religion partially in an attempt to increase acceptance of his new religion by adopting the religious teachings of other faiths. However, much of what he lifts is twisted – Jesus is a prophet of Allah, but not the son of God for example.
How better to deceive the adherents of your enemy than to take truths and twist them to your ends?
Grr, silly comments.
I wasn't trying to imply that Allah and God were the same being. I was pointing out that it is known that Mohammad borrowed heavily from both Jewish and Christian faiths in the crafting of Islam. For example, Jesus is a prophet in Islam rather than the Son of God. That doesn't at all mean he was receiving his inspiration from the same source as those early Jewish and Christian authors.
Personally, I think the Satanic verses incident tells me quite a bit about Islam and Mohammad's revelations particularly when you couple it with how dark many of the twistings of beliefs of contemporary faiths turned out.
The left has never believed in free speech. Who invented political correctness? If words are eliminated, thoughts will follow. Anyone remember ANTHEM?
Your both welcome…I hope the Islamo- fascist apologists here take a look.at it too…
This fiasco is further proof of my friends assessment of Islam ….”An addition of Muslims to a Nation is a subtraction of civilization.” Civilized Nations are kowtowing to barbarians in the name of political correctness and multiculturalism. They are denying their own culture in favor of National Suicide. Personally I am at a loss to explain this Planet Insanity. When the truth is denied on a consistent basis, a path is paved and one enters the bowels of Mass Insanity. It is sad that the most racist people on the Planet(Islamists) are using reverse racism as weapon and are succeeding in destroying Civilization.
American Christian Infidel
It is a fact that slavery is still practiced by the Muslims today. As early as 2/26/1999, CNN.com reported on modern day slavery in North Africa. This has been well documented and is well known to continue to this day. It is strange indeed, that our “Civil Rights Leaders” here in America remain silent about these modern day atrocities.
An instructive read is Bridgette Gabriel’s book, BECAUSE THEY HATE, which is personal account of Muslim atocities against the Christins in Lebanon. The war of Islam against the West continues to this day.
Here's my Spartacus style image for Geert Wilders
Since we can not discriminate against any one group then we must remove all guns and knives from the hands of the general population so we can be safe in our homes from these violent religions. Just a thought. Our government is sure to protect us.
The thing that I've been wondering is: Why do the Leftists seem to support Islam so strongly? Don't they realize that if Islam does takeover Western Civilization that they are teh ones that will be first on the hitlists? Liberalism today may love and support Islam, but Islam hates Liberalism completely.
I think it must be the old saw about "The enemy of my enemy is my frien,." from the Leftist point of view, but they need to realize that Islamists are sitting back, watching Western Society self-destruct so that they can come fill the void the Left is creating. They think they hate Christianity now, just wait till they're under Sharia law.
I once posted something on Democraptic underground about the murder of Theo Van Gogh and how this was not unusual with Islamic supremacists. The reactions I got were as if I shot there hero Soros or something similiar, or maybe if Id have called Jeremiah Wright a commie racist(which he is). Two can play that game Mr Breitbart. Id refuse ANYTHING from a leftist. No advertising from them. Dont promote them. I dont know much about the James O Keefe story yet, but this whole thing smells like a setup. After all, wasnt ACORN started in Loiusiana? These scumbag commies are engaged in a war on freedom and AMERICA. Time to treat them like Gen George Patton treated Rommels panzers.
I'm a huge fan of Wilders and have been since I first saw Fitna. His experience in an important lesson for us all.
LIBERALS persecute the CHRISTIANS while giving Muslims a pass………
DON'T LIBERALS KNOW THAT IF MUSLIMS WERE IN CHARGE…..IE SHARIA LAW…..
THAT EVEN ALL LIBERALS WOULD EITHER DIE, CONVERT, OR BECOME SLAVES TO THE MUSLIMS?
Will someone please give Mr. Wilders an American Passport…
The "right wing" in Europe is not the same political orientation as the "right wing" in America.
That said… freedom of speech requires the freedom to speak, even if you're a vile person saying vile things. Arguing over the substance of the speech is irrelevant.
"fear being questioned"
This is more than "questioning". A man is facing jail time for nothing more than speaking his mind and expressing his opinion. It's not a debate.
They'll soon be banning church bells while they allow the erection of minarettes. That day, I will be buying a Barret .50 cal.
When our government has finally succeeded in making us all safe in our own homes we will be prisoners in those same homes, and then how will we be able to protect ourselves from our government?
This commenter is a troll and only lurks here to incite and disrupt. You will never see any in depth statements from, him only snide and brash remarks against whatever article or commenter he has posted on.
Agreed and if the true meanings for words are subject to debate the fall will be faster. Remember, "it depends on what the meaning of what the word is is"?
You'd better not wait that long. Just sayin'.
Exactly – we won't.
He's Gay? Then that is the reason he opposes them. Gays are sentenced to death in the radical Muslim countries.
I Don't think I'll have to wait long at all. The coming elections are going to be so contentious that the UN may be called in to monitor them. I'd love to punch a hole in a blue helmet. When they appear on American soil, all bets are off.
Ooops. It is. That's where it appeared in print. Thanks for the catch.
They don't support Islam, they fear it and are cowed by it. They feel self righteous by condemning other religions as hypocrites and cooing over the poor violent terrorists.
http://www.wellofwisdom.com/henry-louis-mencken/0...
Europeans hopefuly will wake up one day and realize that they are being over-run by Muslims who will not be as tolerent as they were treated. But then, things dont look good for Europe. It would appear they dont have the will to fight the takeover of their continent and their way of life.
"if something is true, it need not fear being questioned": That is what Al Gore and his crows say.
Should someone be prosecuted for saying something that is true?
I wonder why Islamists in the Netherlands are not being hauled in front of the court for inciting violence against Christians.
I wonder how great you would feel about the Dutch Law if it were applied to the many comments you have made here. You know, the ones not censored much less brought you before any court.
Liberals – certainly not in love with liberty unless it is only for them.
I agree with you. What happens over in Europe will eventually happen to us.
The Netherlands decide to put Geert Wilders on trial instead they ended up putting the Quran on trial. Ooooopps
Zieg heil freak
Achtung you nazi skin head piece of garbage!
That reminds me of a Jefferson quote I love "A government big enough to give you everything you need is a government big enough to take it away."
That does make alot more sense. Not that the way he swings should have much bearing on his dislike of Radical Islam, but that definitely could get you started down that path.
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Actually, I think he may have been referring to the so-called "Holocaust" (which at the very most was a semicaust – words mean things) which is very much like "Global Warming" – a story told to gain political power. And from the previous poster's post, in some countries they actually prohibit you questioning the "official story." In that regard it is very much like the Church's persecution of Galileo or the Gore crowd marginalizing those who question his get-richer-quick scheme. A LOT of money has been made with the Holocaust "story." And a lot of questions about it that aren't allowed – like Anne Frank's diary partly in ball point pen which was not available to her and why Germans would engineer gas chambers with unsealed wooden doors. Or, I don't know, that fact no real evidence of it happening at all – very few bodies actually found.
Geert Wilders is saying what needs to be said. Citizens should be as free to criticize Islam as they are any other segment of the population. There must be no special rights for any group or religion.
This case is a watershed event in rapid Islamization of Europe. And soon it will be playing out on our shores. America had better wake up and take note, for we will soon be fighting this same battle in our soil.
MADNESS?!
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While drinking over-taxed tea.
You're beating a dead horse.
Why don't you start rationalizing and "correcting for the record" the slaughter of tens of million of Chinese at the hands of Mao. New homework assignment for you!
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I wonder what can be done to get the American media to give attention to Wilder's trial ? I called my newspaper the day before his first trial hearing but they didn't write anything about him. Maybe I called too late. I wish I knew how to manipulate the media to some extent and get them to focus on Geert and his struggle for freedom of speech , which is our struggle too. . I will have to find a way to help . The world, free world ,needs to stand up and confront the Muslim imposition. Make it know the democratic societies will make the deciscions and call the shots…muslims listen to US not us listening to them. We make the rules. Geert is an outstanding brave man.
Somebody said he was gay, btw, is he ?? Just curious.
Welcome to America in 2020….hope to God not!
Next time you cruise through the networks and cable, pay attention to how often the Lord's name is taken in vain. They have succeeded in making, "Oh, my G-d!" as common among elementary school kids as a #2 pencil.
Now, imagine if they started using, "Oh, Allah!" every third word. Don't think they'd have the guts. Second thought – Maybe they would, and they would be splattered all over the network headquarters for everyone to see.
As I always say, it is amazing that the left appeases Islamics, yet they would be the first ones tortured and killed under Islamic rule.
Why should we tolerate the intolerant? Support Geert Wilders http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.ht...
i want to help this guy,but how can i help him ,i have never seen like him brave and brave
Hello, from The Netherlands: Geert is not gay, he is married to a lady from Hungary.
Allthough I support some ideas of Geert, I do not support them all, but that is a bit beyond this discussion.
He is right about Islam and support from the US would be good and helpfull for him. The current politicians are extremely blind to the real world and that needs to change.
Also in the US there are enough similair issues, the main message is and should be clear to islam. We can not build our churches in their country so why would they need to build their minarets in ours?
An country like the US that is completely a mix of nationalities should be the example for the world of how to mix people and cultures. Also in the US the Islam is trying to rule over the rest because it is an agessive religion that lacs 500 years of development compared to us.
Anyway… the basic idea is clear. We need to find a respectable way to join forces and put a stop to this nucence and make it clear that we have reached a limit now.
Have a nice day!
ISLAM NEEDS TO BE UN-INVENTED NOW NOW /
ANYONE WHO LEAVES ISLAM IS A THINKER AND A SELF SCIENTIST.
FIRST THINGS FIRST …. THE KORAN IS NOT A HOLY BOOK….IT IS THE MOST EVIL AND RACIST AND SEXIST BOOK EVER WRITTEN. IT IS A SLUR TO THE WRITTEN WORD. IT IS AN INSULT TO HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. HAVE NO DOUBT. READ IT TO DISBELIEVE IT . ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET OUT OF ISLAM’S CLUTCHES . ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET OUT OF ISLAM’S CLUTCHES NOT ONLY FOR THEIR SAKE AND THEIR CHILDREN’S SAKE BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR FOREFATHERS AND FOREMOTHERS WHO WERE CONVERTED TO THIS EVIL AND VILE CULT BY THE SWORD AND FRIGHT. FORGET CHRISTIANITY IF IT’S SUCH A BIG ISSUE …MUSLIMS NEED TO MOVE OUT EN MASSE TO SOMETHING LIKE BUDDHISM… OR MASS SUICIDE…. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE.
MUSLIMS SHOULD START REALISING THAT THEIR FOREFATHERS WERE FORCED INTO THIS BLOOD THIRSTY CULT BY BLOOD AND SWORD.THEY BECAME MUSLIMS OUT OF FEAR NOT BECAUSE THEY LOVED ISLAM. THE NEW GENERATION SHOULD SET THEIR FOREFATHERS’ AND FOREMOTHERS’ MISTAKES RIGHT BY GETTING OUT OF ISLAM EN MASSE (IN BIG GROUPS) AND RETURNING TO THEIR OLD PEACEFULL RELIGIONS OF THEIR GREAT GREAT GRAND PARENTS BEFORE THE MUSLIMS CAME AND TURNED THEIR LIVES AND MORALS UPSIDE DOWN. WHATEVER IS PREACHED IN THAT CULT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOOD PEOPLE AND CITIZENS SHOULD BE. START THE CHANGE NOW. ONLY THE MUSLIMS CAN HELP THEMSELVES SMASH THIS EVIL CULT THAT HAS GOT THEM AND THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN BY THE THROATS.
THE WEST SHOULD BE HELPING MUSLIMS WITH A FREE SERVICE OR A NOMINAL CHARGED SERVICE WHICH COULD TRACE EACH OF THEIR ANCESTRAL ROOTS OR RELIGION PRACTICED BEFORE THEY HAD TO BOW TO ALLAH OR DIE HORRIBLY. THEN THE CHOICE WOULD BE THEIRS TO CONTINUE IN THIS EVIL CULT OR OPT OUT TO WHAT WAS THEIR LIFESTYLE OR RELIGION BEFORE THE MADNESS CAME. THE SERVICE COULD BE CALLED “BEFORE THE MADNESS”. THE EDUCATED WEST HAS TO HELP THESE BARBARIC PEOPLE SEE THE LIGHT OF PEACE AND LAUGHTER SO THEIR CHILDREN AND WOMEN MAY APPRECIATE THE SUNLIGHT WHICH IS OUR PLANET’S BIRTHRIGHT.
It is important that the justice system takes on disgusting islam by its dirty filthy evil horns.
The full planet is looking towards Holland in this. GEERT W. is a great and brave man. Is Holland ready to deal with islamic pedophilia? Get ready to hear the truth. This case is a good thing. Future women and children will be free from the clutches of this insane 7th. century evil cult that is being spread like wildfire because of petroleum money. Our thoughts are with you Mr. Geert W. thank you for all of mankind.
Hey, I am danish and danes are fighting harder than most against this culture of hate about to destroy europe. It is americans that need to get a clue. allan jens
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