This is the kind of story that might be expected to draw a journalist’s attention, for it has the kind of elements that should outrage the average reader: a commander playing politics with the military, troops called upon to execute a mission they had neither expected nor been trained for, and subsequent accusations that heavy casualties might have been avoided, but for politically-motivated shell games.
The commander in question is the commander-in-chief, who has made it the policy of his administration to reduce troop deployments in the “bad war” (Iraq) while increasing the number of boots on the ground to fight the “good war” in Afghanistan. While the President has followed through on the latter, the former has yet to happen in any substantive way and our troops have paid the price for this political sleight of hand.
On February 17, 2009, the Defense Department announced, to great fanfare, that it was deploying an additional 17,000 troops to Afghanistan, including the 5th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. The problem with that, which would soon become evident when the 5th Stryker entered combat, is that the Brigade was trained to fight one kind of war and then, apparently for the sake of political expediency, deployed to fight quite another.

One of the 5th Stryker’s units, the 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment (1-17) has been particularly hard hit since arriving in Afghanistan last fall, suffering twenty-one combat deaths in one battle in the Arghandab district alone. One of the battalion’s company commanders, Capt. Joel Kassulke was replaced after that action, a move that angered some of the Captain’s troops, according to this Army Times article. The problem, some soldiers said, was not their commander, but mismatched training:
The battalion had spent much of the previous two years training for combat, but preparing for the wrong theater — until February, when it got orders for Afghanistan, 1-17 was scheduled to deploy to Iraq.
However, 1-17 soldiers said their training, which had been focused on highly “kinetic” urban warfare drills such as room clearing, did not change much to accommodate the change in mission. “The COIN-intensive fight here … isn’t so much what we trained on,” said 1st Lt. Kevin Turnblom, Charlie Company’s fire support officer.
“We trained [in] urban fighting in Iraq and then they give us Afghanistan,” said Staff Sgt. Jason Hughes, Weapons Squad leader in 1st Platoon, Charlie Company. “The principles are the same but the details are day-and-night different, and we’ve learned that the hard way over the last almost five months.”
The story did not go unnoticed by military bloggers, many of whom expressed disgust over the transfer. Greyhawk, a popular military blogger among veterans and those currently serving in uniform, seethed with contempt:
Those months of training and preparation were scrapped (one example: they don’t speak Arabic in Afghanistan) so the phrase “Barack Obama diverts 17,000 soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan” could appear in newspapers.
Not only was moving the 5th Stryker ill-considered, it was also unnecessary, at least as far as military (rather than political) necessity was concerned. On March 2, 2009, the administration announced – much more quietly – that the 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry division would be deployed to Iraq several months earlier than planned, replacing the 5th Stryker Brigade. This move, combined with extensions for other units already on the ground in Iraq, meant that the much ballyhooed reduction in forces in Iraq hadn’t occurred at all.
An officer currently serving in Iraq told me that the results of these shell games have had the predictable demoralizing effect on the military, already distressed by the increased politicization of their mission. Training for different theaters, he said, simply doesn’t translate.

The major difference is the language training, Iraqis speak Arabic and the Afghans speak Pashto or Afghan Persian, but not Arabic. Additionally if a unit was training to deploy to Baghdad or another urban center in Iraq the tactics techniques and procedures would differ considerably than those used in the mostly rural Afghanistan. There are also things like culture classes and theater specific training that wouldn’t be the same because obviously the cultures and lifestyles are different.
“Bush lied – people died” was a popular leftist mantra for the better part of the last decade. Given the mismanagement of the current commander-in-chief, perhaps it should be replaced in 2010 with an equally pithy, and more honest, couplet: Obama shilled – soldiers were killed.






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This passive participation in the war on terror by BO is disgusting and BO's actions in Afghanistan are immoral. Obama, the Commander in Chief of the United States most likely never had a GI Joe as a kid and now is in charge of actual lives. Cut out dolls is more his style.
Obama is at best an ill prepared president, and when the lives of our troops are in question he's an even more ill prepared Commander in Chief.
The previously worst president of the United States ever, Jimmy Carter was at least a Naval Academy grad who knew how to salute before assuming office.
A pox on all the sheep that blindly cast a ballot for this fool.
"Peace through Strength" not "Peace through Apologies"
the candidate in chief has no idea how to govern…
He has his ideology ('I'm not an ideologue. I'm not'…) which guides his every waking moment. All decisions eminate from that, all moves are purely political. But 'run' something? He never has-
And it shows…
While many of us played and fought battles with our plastic soldiers as kids, Barry instead received lessons from his marxist guardians. He's now at his toy soldier stage, but playing with real lives.
Peace Through Superior Fire Power
Appeasement has never brought peace, it generally catapults an evil dictator into a stronger position fueling his paranoid delusions.
Or, like the appeaser Chamberlain, they are totally discredited and slink off into private life and die shortly thereafter.
But unfortuately, often despots smell weakness and fill the vacuum, as you say.
I believe he is deliberately trying to demoralize our all volunteer army to discourage reinlistment, then he will call for conscription. I'm not sure what the end game is, but I don't he has the best interests of the country in mind. He's either incredibly incompitent or one evil egotistical SOB.
The Progressive vermin have infested the Pentagon, so don't expect things to improve.
I'm not sure. He's no dummy (as far as I can tell) so he must be trying to impliment the world vision of his mentors, mostly Marxists and radicals, and perhaps handlers – who knows who is pulling this puppets strings.
I believe he will adopt the Hitler end game strategy – he'll see re-election as a long shot and begin to accumulate as much cash as possible- move it overseas and prepare for a life of extravagant wealth after his defeat – all the while damaging the United States as much as possible through fiscal malfeasants and foreign policy debacle.
At least Hitler poisoned his dog, married his mistress and shot himself. No mansion in Brazil for him.
When W was Prez, we saw each and every day the numbers of KIA and the other casualty figures prominently printed and diplayed by the MSM….
Now you have to dig deep and look hi/low to even find a mention of this "good war", which I've never believed is good or winable…
I don't believe an entire country of backward-ass Afghans/Pakistanis is worth as much as the life of ONE Marine or Soldier
If we're not going to fight this one to win, why friggin bother? Time to unleash some of the AltEnergy on this back water and be done with it….
We stuck the ends of our "pop guns" in the mud and shot it at each other – while I lived in Japan they sold these cheap guns that shot clay BBs – that kinda hurt – at each other.
Then we shot bottle rockets and throw smoke bombs at each other, fireworks were available 24/7/365.
Air Force brats "play" hard!
Are you referring to Milhouse Obama??
"Most observers perceived a conflict between Tunnell’s approach and McChrystal’s population-centric counterinsurgency campaign."
The buck stops with Obama as Commander in Chief but a read of the article above show a disconnect within the military leadership when deploying our brave men and women.
I don't think his ego will let him settle for that. I'm afraid he'll do whatever it takes to stay in power. Soros may be behind the podium with his arm up Barry's ass, But this puppet is drinking his own Kool-aid and believes in his historic destiny.
Yup – get committed – or get the hell out. I think we should quadruple the amount of Predators patrolling overhead.
…and like I always say – rain Hellfire down of those Muslims…swift sudden death from above.
If the ACLU and other communist front groups are against Predators – then I'm for 'em even more.
Watching Mullen the other day and the pronounment from Obama's older brother Powell made me sick.
Really? I thought maybe sending our troops to invade and occupy foreign countries is what puts them in danger, but clearly it is all Obama's fault.
Ya, he is trying to walk in the "progressive" expansion of government footsteps of FDR and LBJ.
B(oo)HO)o) doesn't have the same ring. He already has the "historic president" schlock going for him, the unfortunate "kidz" of the future will be looking at his purple lips and Dumbo ears in their textbooks for decades to come.
Did you miss the AltEnergy part?? B-1 Stealth Predetors could carry a few…
I left the active military when I saw the writing on the wall. I'm off the books now, but if somebody decides to cover their tracks, I'll have the life span of a fruit fly. There are really bad people operating in the shadows. Do you really think Patton died in a traffic accident?
Randy…
The entire country of backward-ass Afghans/Pakistanis country is not worth as much as the life of ONE Marine or US Soldier.
The Parinoid in Chief will do whatever he wants…No matter what a clusterf**k it becomes, we won't hear a peep from the coverrats in the LSM…
Ya, I got it. Not quite onboard with the nuking plan – yet. They're working on earning it though.
re: Patton – NO! The Soviets hated him and the brass were intimidated by his, er – diplomatic style.
As for the "black ops" stuff – I don't know – I'm not supposed to know. I hope they operate "effectively" vis a vis our enemies.
I don't think you'd even notice…Such a backwardass, useless plot of land…
Indeed! His participation in this phony "War on Terror (which is a tactic, not a country, btw)" is disgusting.
Training you to be cannon fodder starts early.
It all depends on who is in the chain off command.
Oh, he was very well prepared. Groomed for some time by the Soros-Alinsky-types and CFR.
The previously worst president of the United States ever, Jimmy Carter – was at least a Naval Academy grad who knew how to salute before assuming office.
Who does the President salute? Oh, that's right, and Israeli private.
Spoken like a true worthless peacenik coward.
Coe on 'round to my American Legion hall and say that, punk.
Yeah, unlike Bush who expanded government, made sure our jobs were sent over-seas, imported a million H1B sleeper agents because the CEOs wanted slave labor, allowed 10 million illegal gang-member terrorists in illegally because the CEO's wanted MORE slave labor, "No Child Left Behind" program, etc…… Big difference, huh? You better wake up and fast – the people PICKING these candidates are the problem and you aren't gonna make any difference until you change that.
Indeed, for decades the Israeli terrorists have been appeased and they continue to steal land right to this day!
I have no issue in bashing our President for due cause. The fact is very few Troops are trained in COIN strategy or tactics in Afghanistan. As you point to the Mil-Blogs and read in detail our Generals are not trained in COIN nor are most the Command Officers or NCO's. COIN AKA FM 3-24 just came out fully approved in 2009. I do not believe even General McCrystal is trying to implement a pure COIN strategy.
As far as Afghans speaking Pashto or Afghan Persian, you left out the other 11 languages spoken in Afghanistan. So the 5th Stryker is going in with virtually the same training as any other unit had that proceeded them. Can we train our military better before being deployed, You Betcha we can but so far that has not happened yet. It has been on the job training, and due to our Great service members they fill in the gaps pretty darn good. Now if we could just get the commanders to let the men really deploy COIN we could have major positive impact in Afghanistan in 2 years.
Just like his predecessor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnegxNEDAc
What danger? Only threat we have is based on immigrants and Bush opened up the floodgates like no tomorrow.
Actually, he used government force to prevent photos of the caskets coming back and that is more of a 1st Amendment right than protecting some smut dealer.
Yup – get committed – or get the hell out. I think we should quadruple the amount of Predators patrolling overhead.
They are too busy deploying them here in the US.
…and like I always say – rain Hellfire down of those Muslims…swift sudden death from above.
How exactly is that not terrorism?
Who is working on it? Or is this some silly straw man you have cooked up in your head to rationalize your unChristian thoughts?
"Would you like foreign troops patrolling your streets?"
Yes I would if women in this country were forced to wear a Burka and school children had acid thrown in their faces by the Taliban for going to school. If those foreign troops stopped this type of Taliban perverted evil.
"often despots smell weakness and fill the vacuum"
Perfect statement, couldn't have said it better myself!
Pick your favorite despot and fill in the blank! It works both ways most definitely.
Yes "phony fonz," we know what a tactic is, we have been watching marxists like you using them against America for decades. I would however prefer that all marxists were in Afghanistan as well.
I suspect a lot of this is about the roads. Iraq is flat and has all kind of roads.
Afghanistan is hilly often and roads can be limited. Limited roads and dirt roads make EIDs more
dangerous.
The dithering, backbiting and snakepit politics of the Beltway disgusts me. Our troops deserve better.
That said, our generals are winners and the troops are the best. Give them the resources and let them work.
Afghanistan is important.
Afghans do not like Al Qaeda and they seem to accept Americans as naive but friendly.
There is also a scam under every rock
The latest 2 chiefs of the Taliban in Pakistan were recently killed. This is good.
"move it overseas and prepare for a life of extravagant wealth after his defeat"
He will finally be happy for the first time in his adult life…..Michele too!
As shown by your patent willingness to stomach any Islamist or Fascist talking point there is.
Ah, generalizing much? I am no fan of illegal immigration, but not EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is a terrorist or gang member.
Proof, guvn'er?
1. Proof for the Predators, knave?
2. Um, because the "Muslims" we are doing that to are usually armed Islamist terrorists engaged in conflict outside the bounds of the laws of war?
Apparently you subscribe to the "head in sand" school of foreign policy. If we pretend the world isn't a mess and just stay cooped up in America, we'll be all right.
So, would you prefer the Taliban to still be in power?
No, waiting for the enemy at home while we cower and hope everything is alright endangers troops (AND CIVILIANS) several times more than active attacks, as Pearl Harbor showed.
And you are forgetting that the threat can follow us home. But given your general stupidity and paranoia about everything EXCEPT what is trying to kill us, I am hardly surprised.
LOL! Well said, Bohemond.
"Brevity is the soul of wit"
So, I assume that the Twin towers were brought down by Jose and Maria from across the Rio Grande?
It perfectly acceptable to terrorize terrorists.
You're right. He wants the perks of the office but not the responsibility. He's outsourced pretty much every major Democrat initiative to Pelosi, Reid, Apollo Alliance, Soros, etc.. But he still wants his name on it, and when Americans call him on the BS coming out of congress, he whines about not being an ideologue.
He was born to be a lazy college lecturer, giving out self-corrected homework and watching Discovery Channel shows for half of each class, not president.
The Fonz learned his history from Howard Zinn and Michael Moore, so go easy on him.
That's a great analysis of the problem, Sanmon. If the generals and COs aren't clued in to the overall strategy then it will be impossible to effect real positive change there.
I'd be interested in the Stryker's overall effectiveness in terrain like Afghanistan.
In that case, you had better start picking fights with Lincoln, because he was even WORSE in that respect.
Sorry, I disagree. Zinn and Moore are trash, but even they probably wouldn't welcome nuclear annihilation on the Levant against Israelis. And they would rarely have covered for Hitler and claimed there was no such thing as the Holocaust.
True, true. I doubt he advocated for the nuclear annihilation of Mecca after Al-Qaeda killed three thousand Americans.
Stryker's ride in big heavy armored vehicles that isolate the troops from the population and get stuck allot in sand and mud. While this is good for IED it does no good in implementation of COIN which is a get to know your neighbor strategy, face to face contact.
correct…
And he will soon tire of the job- which is why he is already hinting on being a one termer. He likes the perks, right- (Michelle is FAR more intersted in all that than he) and for a self-professed 'non-ideologue' he seems quite content to achieve narrow ideological gains and call it a career.
Hard to say. Air Force One is really hard to give up from what we hear…
Yeah, we need more light infantry in Afghanistan, guys trained to go up and over the kind of mountains and hills you find there.
So is there a general dearth of linguists skilled in Afghan dialects to help our infantry communicate?
He is the worst of Carter and Clinton (Mr, that is, Mrs. has a little spine to her) combined. No clue how the real world works and definitely no military experience. He showed active contempt for the soldiers during his campaign: America knew what it was getting, but stuck to the foolish idea of an affirmative action pres anyhow. Luckily for all of us, our soldiers are winners, even under the worst of conditions, as they've been proving for 240 years.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
"invade and occupy foreign countries"? Like Germany, France, Italy, Japan, South Korea, North Africa? …. it takes time and patience, but America does great things when we allow ourselves. Instead, we get 8 years of daily "war dead" updates, the Abu Grahbu incident broadcast everywhere with nary a peep about the thousands murdered raped burned mutilated every year around the globe by radical islamists (see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com if you can stomach it), newspapers leaking everything they find no matter who that endangers, and megaphones handed to every two-bit dictator (yeah I'm talking about you – 'sulfur boy'). How about "Blood for Oil" – how many times did we hear that we conquered Iraq and took the oil? Another lie to discredit the war effort. Let's not forget Cindy Sheehan, whatever happened to her, by the way? Oh yeah, dropped like the tool she is, once Bush left office.
….aw never mind. Some folks you just can't reach. Why don't you go back to the Huffington Post, with the rest of the sheep? "four legs good, two legs baaaa-ad"
Wow, a conservative in California! Good for you. Must not have been brainwashed, er – "educated" there.
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
I find it interesting, notwithstanding the alleged military experts advising these jokers, that the pols who seem so willing to put our kids in harm's way (from both sides of the political spectrum) ran away, in various forms, from the opportunities they had to learn a little first hand by lacing on combat boots and heading towards the shooting.
Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Biden, et al (I don't count Gore who terminated his "tour" in VN as an Army journalist to get back home after only five months in-country, or Kerry who still will not release his med records about the three Purple Hearts he was awarded that got him a "get out of jail free" card after only three+ months in-country) all my age, did diddly to learn what the daily life of a GI might be as they contemplated their plans to become CINC or something approximate. Clinton manipulated the system; Bush jumped the NG line and then got to fly jets protecting Texas from invasion, never completing his obligation; Cheney got five deferments because, in his words, "I had other priorities." I don't know if Biden dodged but I haven't heard boo about any time in service.
I'm in favor of a Constitutional Amendment requiring prospective CINCs to have spent a tour in uniform. That'll never fly but that kind of experience leavens a bit one's thinking about committing troops to battle.
I've asked you children repeatedly, not to engage the TROLLS who come over from that bad neighborhood across the tracks, MediaMattersfA…..They are a bad influence and a waste of space and time …and "ink"
No, attended all local madrassas here in the formally Golden State…But am a" former" lib, glad to say…Checked your blog and booked it…Sweet…
Sounds like a threat – once again we see who the real terrorists are.
Marxists are statists and there is no greater way to grow the state than with war. You probably pay withholding to the IRS – that was one of those "temporary" war measures. Hardly the most egregious example but the one that the uninitiated such as yourself can most easily comprehend.
Israeli settlements in the occupied territories. An actual violation of international law.
Many thanks!
I'm a Michiganian, but I went to Stanford. Folks there are nuts, I'm glad to see at least one is normal – you must get in a lot of arguments.
I'm a Michiganian, but I went to Stanford. Folks there are nuts, I'm glad to see at least one is normal – you must get in a lot of arguments.
1) http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/1465906...
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-6678-0-8-8–….
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/08/domestic-esp...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/police-use-...
2) "Um, because the "Muslims" we are doing that to are usually armed Islamist terrorists engaged in conflict outside the bounds of the laws of war?"
Armed? Are you against the Second Amendment or something? You will be targeting domestically (ref: MIAC report). Do you just accept everything you are told?
The politicans have gotten more service men and women killed, in their endless thoughts that they know, better than the military, hoe to fight a war.__ The politicans need to leave the fighting to the military, then they can do their job ( that they are good at), stealing from the people.__ OBAMA is a weak keeded scumbag that has never done anything , on his own ability .
I'll say it again, OBAMA is a manchild living in his own little fanasty world, where there is no reality.
Obama would not know reality if it came and bit him in the a-s.
Who says who is a terrorist? Our government? You sound like a liberal.
I do and he was. Do you pick fights with Republicans when they act like associating with him is a good thing?
And you subscribe to the "let's kill some random people and that will make their families love the US" school of foreign policy. This is actually a policy MEANT to perpetuate war for the Military Industrial Complex.
If we pretend the world isn't a mess and just stay cooped up in America, we'll be all right.
Why don't you go to your neighbor's home and tell them their house is a mess? What business is it of yours?
So, there is a magical force field that allows only good-natured and honest (though law-breaking by definition) Mexicans across the Mexican border?
The 9/11 attackers, if one accepts they were the properly identified attackers, all came here legally through our idiotic immigration program. The program that was not stopped after we were attacked.
Think about that – the VERY conduit through which the attack happened was NOT stopped…..but rather we launch two wars that really had nothing to do with the attack at all. The apathy of the American people has never been seen before in human history. So long as you have your tv shows…..
All either of us know is what our government, which has been caught in lie after lie in this affair, has told us. To me, the Taliban sound like the militia in the US. The militia are the ones that won our freedom (what little is left today). It is through government that we lose those freedoms. When we abandoned Afghanistan since they were no longer useful as a proxy battle ground, the Taliban took over. Taliban means "student." I have very little evidence that they are bad. Only thing that says that is our government. Keep in mind this is a government that allowed Americans to die on the Lusitania so they could try to whip us in to a war frenzy. This is the government that lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. A government that suppressed the story of the USS Liberty attack. (so, they make up attacks that never happened and they suppress information about attacks that DID – simply amazing.)
Why should I care if the Taliban rule Afghanistan?
McCollum Memo trumps "Pearl Harbor." I imagine what you don't know about "Pearl Harbor" would fill a book.
Explain to us why they are our enemy. They just randomly picked us off the map and decided it based on that? Try thinking.
There is no arguing with the drone contingent here in LA…Just me and Foxy, my horse, anymore…She's a beautiful chestnut mare and has more sense then any TROLL here…
Like Germany, France, Italy, Japan, South Korea, North Africa?
Yes.
Instead, we get 8 years of daily "war dead" updates
Actually, it is barely mentioned.
How about "Blood for Oil" – how many times did we hear that we conquered Iraq and took the oil?
Half right. Americans die and pay for the war. The Zionist hijackers got the oil – http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?it...
There's no arguing with the drone contingent here in LA.. They know it ALL….
For a person ready to condemn Israel and America for everything bad under the sun, you sure are cagey about the Taliban. It would've been enough if you could at least acknowledge the evil of our enemies, acknowledge their acts for what they are. You can believe all the ridiculous crap about the United States and Israel you want, but that should not prohibit you from calling out evil when it's staring you in the face. But you can't, and now I am going to tell you how much of a useless idiot you are.
The Taliban is not interested in anyone's freedom. They set up the most oppressive form of Shariah government the world has ever known, even beating the Wahhabi sect for having the strictest interpretation of the Koran and Hadith. They forbade music, TV, dancing, wearing bright colors, flying kites.
They cut off a woman's thumb as punishment for her wearing nail varnish. They publicly flogged women for violating their ridiculous dress code. They publicly executed women in a soccer stadium built for them by the outside world that they used for nothing but executions. They stoned women on accusations of adultery, proven or otherwise. They forced women into virtual imprisonment in their homes, condemning any woman without a male relative to escort her to starvation and death.
They hosted Al-Qaeda, a terrorist organization responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands worldwide. They hosted Osama bin-Laden, the man who declared publicly that he was behind 9/11. They oppressed the Hazari people, declaring them not to be Muslims because they were Shia.
They have been involved in a bloody insurgency out of their original homebase(Pakistan), which involves placing IEDs in crowded civilian neighborhoods, torturing and killing locals suspected of working with the Coalition and Afghan government.
They have assassinated or attempted to assassinate moderate Muslim leaders throughout the world, including Benazir Bhutto and Ahmed Shah Massoud. They wrecked their economy through their barbaric, feudalistic strictures, destroying whatever prosperity the Afghans had left after the Soviet Invasion and their subsequent civil war.
All of this, they have admitted to, proudly declared, been caught on camera doing, been reported doing by multiple sources from every political spectrum and religious affiliation. They are evil, despicable human beings. They are not the "militia". Comparing them to Minutemen is the gravest possible insult to America, and shows a complete disregard for history and basic morality.
Why should you care?
"And you subscribe to the "let's kill some random people and that will make their families love the US" school of foreign policy."
Says Mr. "Let's Nuke Israel".
I accused you of being naive. You accused me of wanting to kill random people. Shove it up your ass.
" linguists skilled in Afghan dialects"
Not really but our troops could work around the issues of language pretty quickly if they lived with the villagers as described in COIN doctrine. You may want to look up on Google "Jim Gant COIN" and also "FM 3 – 24" for current info regarding COIN and how it works in theory.
Obama shouldn't have started a war with Iraq before the War in Afghanistan was complete. It's inexcusable to fight a war for 8 years and still not have enough troops trained to fight there. Also: Teleprompter.
Yeah, we need a military coup, right?
Obama could never be properly prepared for this duty as he doesn't share America's interests because he is a marxist. Obama has never been taught how to defend the United States only how to apologize for his distorted view of what Americans believe in.
Your type seems to prefer a beer hall putsch.
A female friend of mine, made the observation, that his head looked like a scrotum. Come to think of it, it does.
"when danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled….."
Would you like foreign troops patrolling your streets? All the training in the world isn't going to change the fact this is an occupation. Remember the USSR.
Jefferson picked up a copy of the Koran just to answer that question himself. He found the answer: they are our enemy because their businessman-cum-prophet-cum-Jew-slaughterer-and-child-rapist, acting in accordance with words coming from what he *said* was a supreme god named after, quite coincidentally, I'm sure, "Allah" the local long-worshipped Moon-God, decided that HENCEFORTH! all people on the face of the earth who do not also worship "Allah" are to be considered eternal enemies which must be fought and subdued and even slaughtered for all time. "We" do not worship Allah.
Knowing these two salient facts, a reasonable, awake, non-hallucinating, non-idiot can reach the conclusion: THAT is why they are our enemy.
Jefferson understood that s***, dude, and he didn't even have the internet.
Thing is, in Jefferson's day, we didn't have this P.C. B.S. about all cultures and all belief systems being equally valid and worthy of tolerance.
You ask us to name a country with which to "officially" be at war with. OKAY then. I got one for you: we need to be at war with Umma, otherwise known as Dar ul Islam, the nation to which THEY universally give fealty and allegience, and the ONLY nation which THEY universally recognize as having any sovereignty whatsoever.
Try thinking, indeed.
"Would you like foreign troops patrolling your streets?"
I don't know, perhaps we should ask the Afghanis tired of the constant stream of Pakistani thugs fighting for the Taliban?
And remember Germany and Japan. How strange that you do not.
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They changed the rules of engagement and that has put our guys in danger. They use human shields to protect themselves.
Marxism never sleeps….
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Our ditherer-in-chief continues his treasonous path. He is oblivious to the danger that he has awakened by his sheer stupidity?naivete? calculating deceit?….the list goes on and on…..Let the warfighters fight or bring them home!
Yeah, right. Blame Booosh and those evil Jeeeeews.
Seems a bit too close to the canned amadinijad line….no?
My mistake there phony phonz for referring to you as a marxist, you appear to be a fascist while engaged in your trolling activities.
THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS GAVE AMERICA AN ILLEGAL PRESIDENT!
Dear American People,
Let me ask you this…are you a believer in freedom and liberty for people or are you a believer that it's much better to live as a slave? We have a serious problem here in America that is defining just that. Are you free or are you a slave? Well the answer to that will be determined with the passing of time and what the American citizens do about the AMERICAN CRIME OF THE CENTURY! If you stand up and fight this most obvious and blatant assault on the U.S. Constitution being perpetrated and committed by the democrats and the republicans, well then you are a believer in freedom and liberty for the people. If you just stand by and do nothing and go along with what the democrats and republicans who want you to believe about Barack Obama being a legitimate president then you prefer to live your life out as a slave!
The democrats and republicans betrayed WE THE PEOPLE and the U.S. Constitution by allowing an unqualified candidate (Barack Obama) run (and win) for the Office of the President with their waving of their middle finger to ARTICLE 2 SECTION 1 of the U.S. Constitution which as the Supreme Law of the Land says that to be a candidate to run for the Office of the President a candidate must be a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN", Barack Obama is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and has no business occupying the people's White House and putting America in a state of international danger with his policies of incompetence! If this is an example of how elected officials who swear oath to serve, uphold and protect the Constitution, but to only turn around and practice treason to the Constitution, think of the Constitution! Then we are nothing but tax paying slaves to them unless WE THE PEOPLE stand up and fight because as it is right now your government thinks of you as a helpless slave! This is what America has become! People you need to research the Law of Nations, the Congressional Globe and this SCOTUS case "Minor v. Happersett" of 1874!
Our great nation has been propagandized from within by those that hate liberty, personal freedom and freedom of speech. Read the constitution and see the truth and the lies will wisp away like fog in the sun.
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Phony phonz speaks from both sides of his mouth. Claiming to be concerned about the US in his immigration remarks and then comparing the taliban to our founding citizens. His lack of moral clarity speaks of evil.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD: Please stop this nonsense about Obama not being an American citizen!!! This nuttiness is distracting us from the thousands of other more objectionable things that this autocrat is trying to foist on the American People. This stuff makes you look stupid and racist. Obama is just as much an American citizen as anyone else born in Hawaii. Judge him not by some wack-job conspiracy theory, but by his actions that have materially weakened this nation and created global insecurity and instability. There are plenty of FACTUAL, SUBSTANTIATED, and OBVIOUS objections to his policies. Change the tin-foil on your hat!
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In your opinion I'm looking stupid and racist. Does that disturb you? Why the abnormal concern to the words of a stranger? Can't you read? I never said Obama was not an American citizen! If I'm causing a distraction amongst the 300 million people here in America, that means I'm pretty good and this factual message is getting the proper attention that it deserves and you are helping me! Thank you for your help!
Obama shilled – soldiers were killed.
Stolen right from the scum-bags own script.
Um, you DO realize that most of those settlements probably are as old as the PALESTINIAN camps, right?
Oh puhleaze. If he were an ACTUAL terrorist, you would have seen him at least TRY to blow you up, or at the very least rought you up.
This stuff?
That is just macho talk until proven otherwise, at which point he WOULD get hauled into the brig.
No I do not, because I actually REALIZE that if there were none who did not realize the NECESSITY of doing nasty things, this nation would not have even EXISTED; if the French hadn't conquered us, the British would have smashed any attempt at revolt.
Random people? You think the Hussein clan and the higher ups of Al-Qaeda were RANDOM people, knave?
And if my neighbor's house is so much of a mess that it is a legitimate threat to my property or myself, than YES I would.
"So, there is a magical force field that allows only good-natured and honest (though law-breaking by definition) Mexicans across the Mexican border?"
Of COURSE not, as I damn well know (there is a VERY good reason why I have an alarm system and several firearms, because I know that type TOO well). But while they ARE a threat, they are small fry on the global scale of things. In case you didn't notice the little thing that happened in New York and Washington seven years back.
"The 9/11 attackers, if one accepts they were the properly identified attackers, all came here legally through our idiotic immigration program. The program that was not stopped after we were attacked."
True, but that ignores the fact that many of the Islamists we have found are not immigrants, but are actually AMERICAN CITIZENS who have intentionally volunteered for the Jihad. No amount of immigration reform can protect from them, because they usually are already here. And this is ignoring the attacks by foreign actors on our assets abroad (RE the Cole and the African embassies).
And you think that attacking the STAGING GROUND for the attack (which is what Afghanistan was, which was where the 9/11 hijackers trained) and one of their biggest supporters and a persistent thorn in our side (Saddam's Iraq) are for NOTHING?
"The apathy of the American people has never been seen before in human history. "
That much we can agree on.
Don't forget LBJ, a pretend Naval Reserve officer during WWII who never left the banks of the Potomac save a PR junket to MacArthur's HQ in Australia (for which the SOB got a Silver Star).
Not that Reagan's war service was anything of substance, either. But it's well to remember that of the 12 million Americans in uniform 1941-45, six million of them never even left CONUS.
"To me, the Taliban sound like the militia in the US. The militia are the ones that won our freedom (what little is left today)"
So, by that extension, the Israeli settler militas (even the truly nasty ones that deal in murder, smuggling, and general illegality on a daily basis) are like the Minutemen because they are organized the same way, ergo they are just as justified as the Minutemen?
Your logic is utterly bankrupt when you ignore the religious tyranny, the rampant corruption, and the general misery they brought in their wake, in case you don't know what Afghanistan was like prior to our intervention.
"I have very little evidence that they are bad"
Only because you haven't been looking.
"Americans to die on the Lusitania so they could try to whip us in to a war frenzy."
Oh, so the extremely isolationist Wilson, who literally ran on a platform of "HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR" 'intentionally' allowed Americans to board a vessel with their own money, and "allowed" the U-boats of the Kaiserliche Marine to massacre them on the high seas in order to whip the public into advocating something he didn't want?
Obviously you have never studied WWI.
"This is the government that lied about the Gulf of Tonkin"
At the very most, the waves of attacks were overstated, and even the Vietnamese regime admits that the attack happened.
"A government that suppressed the story of the USS Liberty attack."
Nope. If you look in the newspaper archives, you will find it. Along with the fact that the ISRAELIS first alerted us to the fact and profusely APOLOGIZED for their mistake.
"Why should I care if the Taliban rule Afghanistan?"
Um, because they run it as a theocratic tripehole and rent it out to people who launch attacks on the US, like they did prior to our invasion?
"McCollum Memo trumps "Pearl Harbor."
So, a memo made by a few lower class staffers that was never implemented trumps the premeditated assault on American forces?
And so i imagine the Tanaka plan and the Japanese violations of international law (which PREDATED that memo, by the way) trump the McCollum Memo? Or are you just selectively omitting what you like or don't like?
And what about the Kuba Memorandum of the German government in the leadup to BOTH WWI and WWII?
"I imagine what you don't know about "Pearl Harbor" would fill a book."
Hardly. Because I have actually looked at both the US and Japanese archieves. The Japanese were no innocent lambs.
"Explain to us why they are our enemy. They just randomly picked us off the map and decided it based on that?"
No. Because in their interpretation of the Muslim religion, it is their duty and obligation to wage war without mercy or stop until all non-Muslims are subjugated under a religious theocracy, as you would well know if you actually studied the history of those people you compare to the Minutemen.
"Try thinking."
You first.
"Half right. Americans die and pay for the war. The Zionist hijackers got the oil – http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?it...
Hardly, guv'ner, particularly if you have EVER studied Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Oh yes, and what about those flowing Afghani oil fields? Oh, they either don't or barely exist?
Imagine that.
So, why did we attack the Taliban in oil-poor Afghanistan when we could attack Nigeria with fairly less difficulty and get far more oil for our Zionist hijacker overlords?
Thank you for the sources.
"Armed? Are you against the Second Amendment or something?"
Do you take everything out of context all the time, or do you just do it when you think you have something to gain?
Did you not notice the "ISLAMIST TERRORISTS ENGAGED IN CONFLICT OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE LAWS OF WAR" part after that by any chance?
If they just keep to themselves and don't attack us, I have no issue whether a Pakistani yakherd has a spade or an M203. When they attack us, however, that salutary neglect goes out the window.
"You will be targeting domestically (ref: MIAC report)."
Who domestically? Islamist terrorists? Good. Gunowners? Better not, because I happen to be one of them, and any who desire to confiscate them had better be ready for a fight.
"Do you just accept everything you are told?"
The IRONY is several feet thick.
Our great nation has been propagandized from within by those that hate liberty, personal freedom and freedom of speech.
Very true. Eisenhower and JFK warned us about them – "Military Industrial Complex" comes to mind. They preach "New World Order" "Free Trade" and "War on Terror." Our Founders said the threats to our liberty would come from within.
What makes you say Muslims attacked the Cole? Who stood to gain? Who really had the ability to pull it off and who knew the ship would be there? No, this was another Mossad job.
Wilson was an isolationist? You are a moonbat if you believe that. EVER HEAR OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS? GEEEZ!
And, yes, they intentionally sacrificed Americans. If you don't know that, you don't know history. The Germans even posted ads in the local papers – an they were all mysteriously not printed…..except one slipped through.
http://www.ralphmag.org/BT/lusitania-warning305×5...
Better not, because I happen to be one of them,….
Yeah, and you are on the path to self-destruction – I'm trying to warn you.
….and any who desire to confiscate them had better be ready for a fight.
Kinda why I brought up the domestic drones….. Good luck with that. By the time *you* realize there is a problem it will be too late. But you were warned by your intellectual superiors (like me.)
"What makes you say Muslims attacked the Cole?"
Oh, little things like the TELEVISED AND ENTHUSIASTIC PUBLIC DECLARATIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY when those we found were actually tried?
"Who stood to gain?"
In the eyes of Islamist fanatics who kill journalists simply because they can, they do.
"Who really had the ability to pull it off and who knew the ship would be there?"
For who knew, um, pretty much ANYBODY in the corrupt rot that is the Yemeni government, and given the notorious ties we have found with some of the regime's top dogs to the Islamists, it isn't that hard to believe that they were leaked.
And as for who had the capacity to pull it off, any wild eyed fanatic with enough explosives and luck, as the Soviets learned in Chechnya.
"No, this was another Mossad job."
Oh, and what would the Israelis gain by sinking an American warship in YEMEN, guv'ner? DO they do it just for fun?
And how does this explain the public and enthusiastic confessions of the Islamists we snagged for the bombing?
Do you have ANY PROOF whatsoever?
"Wilson was an isolationist? You are a moonbat if you believe that."
Au contraire, he was an Isolationist first and foremost, and certainly prior to the entry in WWI, as shown by the exceedingly large amount of German provocation that he put up with (how many Americans have the Israelis or agents of the israelis killed, even accepting your BS regarding the Cole and the War on Terror? 20,000+ since 1990, 30,000+? That was NOTHING. The German empire, though its rampant supply of virtually any tinpot thug in Latin America who wanted to fight us and their ludicrous abuses of the laws of the sea probably killed-by any estimate- a good 35,000. Between when WWI BEGAN and when the US actually INTERVENED in the war. And this is NOT counting American volunteers in the Allied armies). He was only goaded to action once evidence of German perfidy became impossible to deny, and save for his dream of the League of Nations (which he saw primarily as a way to SAFEGUARD American ISOLATIONISM rather than to end it), he readily returned to Isolationism (see his staunch refusal to commit any more than a few placeholder forces against the Bolsheviks).
"EVER HEAR OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS? GEEEZ!"
Yes I have, and Geez yourself, because if you actually EXAMINED his reasoning behind the League and his statements, he saw it primarily as deterrence against any nation aggressing upon American isolationism by avoiding the clock and dagger aggression the Germans utilized. The only unquestionably interventionist part (the provisions to commit US troops to military action on behalf of the League) was in fact shoehorned in by the BRITISH AND FRENCH, and Wilson himself viewed it as an acceptable price to pay for American neutrality.
"Israel DENIED involvement in the USS Liberty attack until the evidence became too much for their lying asses"
Not so. The first news of the attack came from the ISRAELIS to the American Attache in Tel Aviv two hours AFTER the attack.
"and they then retreated to another lie that it was a "mistake" even though radio intercepts show it was known it was an American ship."
You are forgetting the massive fact that even in the most inflammatory inercepts (which are likely to have been doctored due to the breaches in Israeli protocol and other suspicious behavior from the 'pilots') state that they identified an American FLAG as being on the Liberty. And considering the fact that the Egyptian and Syrian navies are fairly infamous for USING WESTERN FALSE FLAGS (see the sinking of the American-flagged Egyptian ship Al Mansurah during the Six Days War for one of many cases of proof), the flag alone was by no means conclusive evidence, particularly since we neglected to INFORM the Israelis that the Liberty actually EXISTED and was in the area (which meant that if they went through the ship registries of American ships in the Levant, they wouldn't have found the Liberty), and the fact that the Al Qusier was in the region having been modified to be roughly the description of the Liberty and was last seen carrying an Italian flag, and the pieces fit together.
Oh Puhleaze. JFK and Ike couldn't find their rear ends with a map, as their chronic botching of things like the Suez Crisis and Vienna showed. If there is indeed a sinister "military-industrial complex" that threatens our liberties, it must be better concealed than even you believe so.
And in the meantime, any stroll down google will find innumerable Islamist forums screaming for the blood of the infidel.
And our Founders stated that threats to our liberty would come from within AND without, as they had learned from the British, and indeed it was JEFFERSON- a founder by any definition- who sent the USN to our first battle with Islamist forces, in the shape of the Barbary Pirates hijacking our shipping.
How strange you do not recognize THAT.
"Yeah, and you are on the path to self-destruction – I'm trying to warn you."
By screaming for things like a Nuclear Iran nuking Israel. Sorry, but your advice is next to worthless, and any value it contains is accidental. I know the threats of a curtailment of the 2nd Amendment all too well, and even moreso I know them without any help from you.
"Kinda why I brought up the domestic drones."
Kinda why I feel it is worth noting that they have been around for DECADES prior.
"…. Good luck with that."
Thank you.
"By the time *you* realize there is a problem it will be too late."
Perhaps, perhaps not.
"But you were warned by your intellectual superiors (like me.)"
GHAHAHAHA!!!! YOU, my intellectual superior? YOU, the idiot who thinks the Iranian theocracy getting the bomb and NUKING SEVERAL MILLION CIVILIANS is a GOOD idea? You, the idiot who apparently does not think the Holocaust happened in spite of the ABUNDANT proof to the contrary? You, the fool who gets exceedingly basic facts about your own points dead wrong?
Dream on, knave.
And you sound like a deranged Anti-Semite Buchananite idiot.
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You made some good points…I’d like to know what you would suggest in my situation. I suspect my partner could be having an affair, but I don’t have any proof. It’s more of a gut feeling. Should I confront her with my suspicions, or see about hiring a private investigator?
awsome post,great job.
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