If you live in a coal state, make no mistake about it: Barack Obama and the Administrator of his USEPA, Lisa Jackson, are looking to take you down, by any means – direct or indirect – at their disposal. Among the schemes in the pipeline is this: a proposal that would make burning coal to produce power a much more expensive proposition, by attaching billions of dollars more costs before the residue of the coal-burning process could be reused or disposed of. Ironically, Obama and Jackson are on the threshold of making an ill-considered decision that would undermine one of the most successful recycling programs in the history of the nation.
USEPA is deciding whether or not to declare the ash that remains after burning coal a hazardous waste. The agency began considering reclassification following a disastrous release of 1.7 million cubic yards of fly ash from the Tennessee Valley Authority’s Kingston plant, a large coal-fired power station located east of Knoxville, Tennessee, in December 2008. That release, caused by the failure of an earthen retention wall, caused many environmental groups to renew their call for the USEPA to classify coal ash as a hazardous waste.

The Sierra Club, and other environmental groups, maintain that this action is necessary because coal ash contains, among other things:”…arsenic, selenium, lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium, boron, thallium, and aluminum – toxic heavy metals that have been linked to cancer, birth defects, and neurological disorders, and which clearly threaten nearby communities and ecosystems.”
The problem here is that while it is true that coal ash contains “arsenic, selenium, lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium, boron, thallium, and aluminum,” the same may be said of you, me and every member of the Sierra Club. All of these elements exist, in trace amounts, in our bodies and in the bodies of every other human being on planet Earth. The issue is not whether arsenic, selenium, lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium, boron, thallium, and aluminum are present in a particular waste stream, but rather if arsenic, selenium, lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium, boron, thallium, and aluminum are present in sufficient concentrations to present a significant threat to human health and/or the environment.
How to determine if the concentrations of these potentially toxic contaminants might present a threat to human health and the environment? USEPA has a well-established, widely accepted methodology for doing so. the Agency’s Toxicity Characteristic Leaching Procedure (TCLP) is a standard laboratory means of determining whether or not a particular waste should be classified as hazardous or not. Coal ash, time and time again, and as recently confirmed by the Edison Power Research Institute, falls into the non-hazardous category after TCLP analysis.
No matter, as a result of the Kingston incident, the Sierra Club has pushed USEPA to reclassify coal ash as a hazardous waste, in defiance of the Agency’s own guidelines. Such a move would further undercut the most abundant, economical natural resource available to generate electricity in these troubled times.

The worst part of this ill-considered over-reaction to an isolated incident is that it would undercut one of the most successful recycling programs in the nation. Without any government interference, the free market led coal-fired power plant operators to look for markets for coal ash and they have been spectacularly successful in doing so. Today, millions of tons of coal ash are used to produce cement, make bricks, build roadways and are used in a wide variety of other beneficial ways. According to EPRI’s analysis, recycling ash saves the equivalent of thirty two billion gallons of oil in energy annually, and – for those concerned about global warming – displaces eleven million tons of greenhouse gases per year, simply by utilizing an inert byproduct that could only be replaced by increased mining operations. What’s not to like?
USEPA will be making its decision about coal ash soon. If Lisa Jackson gets it right, she won’t get in the way of recycling efforts, but will rather impose addition restrictions on the power producers who store their ash so as to ensure that such impoundments are secure. Should she do that, applause will be in order. Preventing another Kingston incident is a worthy cause. Imposing additional, tremendously expensive, restrictions on coal-fired power plants because of an isolated – if tragic – incident, would be a very expensive mistake indeed.






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Interesting article:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/76539-kentucky-dem-county-chairman-charles-manson-could-beat-barack-obama-here-right-now
Interesting article:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/...
Further interesting article, from my back yard:
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201003/coal.aspx
What do the citizens of these states expect? They vote in people who are rabidly against their own way of life, their very way of making a living, a way, I might add, that has gotten cleaner and more efficient by the obsessively regulating feds. Ad Obama said BEFORE getting elected: "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”
"The most recent figures available from the EIA, show that America's estimated recoverable reserves of coal —
- Stand at 275 billion tons, an amount that is greater than any other nation in the world.
- Are capable of meeting domestic demand for more than 250 years at current rates of consumption."
So, the EPA classifies our breath as a pollutant and our greatest energy resource as off-limits.
What, exactly, about those two things are not thoroughly and completely retarded?
Factually, America is the Saudi Arabia of coal. Coal fired power plants equate to almostb 60% of all electricity generated in the US. Turn that off, what happens? Will power be rationed? Will there be haves, and have nots? Will Washington, DC be included in the grid that has electric?
Watch what happens. The other great Communist leader, Hugo Chavez is rationing electricity right now in Venezuela. They are ready to lynch his fat ass.
once again, this is about reducing consumption…
The climate change hoax has been exposed for what it is- junk science fueled by corrupt ideology. Coal is cheap, and plentiful- and, as such, can fuel an economic revival.
Not so fast.
Obama and his Progressives want to shrink the economy, not grow it. We consume too much, you see. he said so during the campaign. Use too much energy, eat too much food, big cars, blah blah blah.
So coal is bad just for the reasons it's good. It helps the American people.
Can't have that…
Don't forget, we also spend too much money in Vegas.
I wonder what the odds are at Mr. Binions Betting Parlor regarding Barry getting re-elected?
I worked in the environmental field for 15 years on Superfund sites and state haz waste sites, investigating the sites and cleaning them up. I knew the regs pretty well and used them as best I could for my clients. Even if fly ash failed the TCLP test, and thus would be classified as a hazardous waste, it could still be recycled under the regulations. Any hazardous waste that is a feedstock for a product that has commercial value avoids all the hazardous waste disposal regulations. For instance, there is a granular mining waste that otherwise fails the TCLP test for heavy metals. It avoids the hazardous waste regs because it is used in the production of composite shingles that are placed on the roofs of millions of houses across America.
EPA would have to pass regs that bar fly ash from the 'recycle exemption' of the haz waste disposal regs. One would hope that if EPA tried to implement that chnage, that many in industry who rely on the recycle exemption would come to support the coal industry. Once the option for fly ash recycling is eliminated, it will make it easier for EPA to eliminate the recylcing exemption for another industrial activity byproduct that is characteristically hazardous (fails the TCLP test).
Not to nitpick, but Kingston is west of Knoxville on I-40
Good post…never underestimate the power of markets to find uses for (and assign value to) the stuff that 95% of people think is "waste".
I know, lets cut the lights out at all of the liberals homes…we probably own them anyway. This will cut down on greenhouse gas and make our coal supply last longer- – win-win!
Odumblo is a National embarassment, he's dangerous, arrogant, a little mentally challenged, Ok summed up he is a dangerous pathetic idiot. The man is against anything that All Americans should believe in and most honestly do. He also seems to be against anything that could conceivably rescue out country from a continued spiral to third world status. I don't believe he is seeking to do anything other than that.
So if makes good sense to the country we will have to fight the guy tooth and nail. thankgod so many of us are willing to do just that.
Thus continues the idea that big business is unable to clean itself up. Accidents are accidents. What will happen the first time some windmill kills people by shedding a razor-sharp layer of ice onto their heads? Sometimes, you can make changes to make prevailing conditions safer; when you can't, you either have to go completely without or accept that there will always be a certain amount of risk. We do this all the time with airplanes and cars both safety innovation and accepting that their will always be a certain amount of risk. It's time we grow up and accept that it will always be this way with most every aspect of our lives, including power generation.
And what do the libs think all those cute little electric cars are actually powered by? COAL!
But he bows real good.
Shhhh. Don't tell them that. It would break their hearts.
Mr. Truzpek:
Did you see where Senator Inhofe is wanting formal hearings on Al Gore's Global Warming Climate Change "Hoax"?
They have hearts?
Grinch type ones. I think they are green.
El Presidente de Estada Maneudos says people need to want change by makeing it too costly to continue, the government has been used to perform end runs around logic to obtain profit, just think curly lightbulbs. Coal burning is now not what schools teach, that Dickinsonian haze with peasants coughing up blacken lungs. The nuclear plants he wants are a long way off when other "green" possibilities such as hydroelectric, but we have drought conditions in Allegheny Co. even while basements have floating dryers.
While I support the use of clean coal as an energy source, your being pretty flippant about a catastrophe that happened almost in my back yard. it's easy to poo-poo environmentalists, unless it happens to be in your own back yard. Instead of a cavalier attitude, it might behoove you to try and come up with a better solution to a problem other than 'it's no big deal, let's just keep on truckin' the same old way' type of article.
I challange YOU to come up with a better solution.
We'll wait…………………………………………………………………….
Interesting video about the Old Fat Bastardz Al Gore:
http://www.breitbart.tv/senator-wants-gore-stripp...
From the above article
The agency began considering reclassification following a disastrous release of 1.7 million cubic yards of fly ash from the Tennessee Valley Authority’s Kingston plant
Preventing another Kingston incident is a worthy cause. Imposing additional, tremendously expensive, restrictions on coal-fired power plants because of an isolated – if tragic – incident, would be a very expensive mistake indeed.
I don't really see anything in this article which treats the coal ash release with a "cavalier attitude".
With 200 years of coal reserves in this country it is just sheer stupidity to not accelerate clean technologies for coal and use it as an important energy resource. We have abundant natural gas reserves too that are being obstructed by the hardships in obtaining.drilling licenses.
Our irresponsible and misguided socialist big scheme Cap n Trade Democrats and their environmental minions have done nothing to protect our economy against the one huge energy shock that's due to happen someday. What these foolish anti-carbon fuel nitwits aren't getting is that the alternative energies will only give marginal assistance and you can't run your car on Pepsi.
Clearly the EPA is if anything, NOT DOING ENOUGH!
Where I live I am exposed to a constant stream of radiation every single day.
It is so bad that often in the summers my skin develops rashes, turns red, blistres, the peels away.
I have been forced to take up the habbit of applying a thin layer of lotion and wearing protective clothing,
even on warm days.
Please join me in asking the EPA to classify SUNLIGHT and a hazardous material.
It is my hope that the US government will do everything they can to block out the sun so that my children will not be exposed to this danger.
In 2008, 5 of the top ten coal producing states voted for Obama, the Democrat candidate.
In 2004, 8 of the top ten coal producing states voted for Bush.
This is all a part of the theory of Nudge…a book by Cass Sunstein. Instead of coming after something with facts (which would mean failure for the environmentalists) they nudge the statistics and make them look dangerous. The EPA is an expert at using these methods. They push for control in changing the standards to ridiculous standards and then start encroaching on the very industry they want to destroy, coal, nuclear, and how about dams! It is their methodology to take us back to serfdom in their new and improved society of socialism….Their methods are criminal! Ban the EPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A-yup.
All that talk about rednecks and trailor parks, and Obama saying right out that he was going to shut down coal. That's all under the Democrats "Big Tent", and they ignored it all.
Roy's point continuec
"USEPA will be making its decision about coal ash soon. If Lisa Jackson gets it right, she won’t get in the way of recycling efforts, but will rather impose addition restrictions on the power producers who store their ash so as to ensure that such impoundments are secure. Should she do that, applause will be in order."
Calling for more restrictions doesnt sound like keep on truckin'
We must ban the EPA, defund the monster and then destroy it!
And while we are dreaming lets take away thier cars, lattes, airplanes, and wine! Think that would be startling enough for them to see what they are doing to this country?
It's a problem there because of water. The coal in Utah (that Clinton put off limits) does not have that drawback.
So you are pigmentally challenged? I am sure we could start a program in our schools for the pigmentally challenged…come to think of it, it would never happen….because we are white!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet I can predict the statistics on the 2012 elections….I am gonna go with an 8 to 10 sucess rate against O.
[...] » The Attack On Coal Continues: Trashing Coal Ash Recycling – Big Journalism “If you live in a coal state, make no mistake about it: Barack Obama and the Administrator of his USEPA, Lisa Jackson, are looking to take you down, by any means – direct or indirect – at their disposal. Among the schemes in the pipeline is this: a proposal that would make burning coal to produce power a much more expensive proposition, by attaching billions of dollars more costs before the residue of the coal-burning process could be reused or disposed of. Ironically, Obama and Jackson are on the threshold of making an ill-considered decision that would undermine one of the most successful recycling programs in the history of the nation.’ [...]
you realize, of course, when Obama 'froze' spending it 'locked in' the EPA's budget at a huge increase.
That was the game plan. Subvert Congress and the will of the people by Parliamentary tricks. Unless Congress rebuts the President and passes a veto proof bill EPA has all the dough they need- and can't be denied. Czarina Browner will start wielding the hatchet soon.
Or is it the sickle?
Let's take it even further. If they'd stop consuming precious oxygen and emitting that bad old carbon dioxide, they could save the planet…for the rest of us!
Guess that's why he's getting so much practice now…plan for the future and all.
I have a similar set of problems. Everytime I get near water, whether if be in the shower, or the rain, I get wet. I do not like that feeling. I think we should present a list of formal demands to the EPA, and that whacked out nut job Carol Browner.
I dont know about you, but I am not white.
I am in fact, a very, very, very, lite pink.
That's right ladies,
if you like your men tall and translucent talk to Spaceracer..
Yes I do know that….but 2012 is coming and we must destroy this monster. I hope to God we still have a country intact by 2012. And it is the sickle, but don't forget the hammer!
Relish, I relish that thought!
In Arizona, it's dust that is a health problem. We need to act fast and pave the desert.
I have a daughter that is pigmentally challenged, dark haired beauty, and tall!
Lately, whenever I see our Government in action, I keep hearing that guy from "Mythbusters" say, "I reject your reality and substitute my own".
They seem to completely ignore all reason. I thought these were supposed to be the smart people?
Omg! I think you guys soon to be complete on that project!
Well if she is anywhere near NorthWest Ark let me know!
+2 for you!
Shh..if he screws his own swing states, then the Big O is screwed, but don't tell him.
TCLP was created for one primary purpose: to assess the possibility that hazardous levels of certain contaminants like heavy metals will leach in a LANDFILL environment, where pH levels are low (acidic).
While it is a *good thing* that fly ash does not leach at hazardous levels using TCLP (nor under SPLP which was developed for more modest pH levels experienced under normal preciptation conditions), this in and of itself does NOT address the question of a potential public health hazard in its entirety.
More specfically, pathways to human receptors include: ingestion, inhalation, and dermal contact. While the TCLP results arguably address the issue of ingestion for the most part, they do NOT deal with inhalation and dermal contact pathways with respect to non-liquid phase forms of fly ash. For example, if the ash is used in an application where it is blowing about in the air, inhalation could be a potential risk factor, especially for persons working to place or move the ash.
I generally agree with the premise of the article, but as an environmental scientist and hydrogeologist, would appreciate it if people researching these matters would take the time to more thoroughly digest the facts of the case, rather than citing one particular talking point and beating it to death. This does not lend credibility to your arguments. Tighten them up.
Cheers.
2012…
So much can happen. So many bad people with power. People who actually want war, and pestilence, and population reduction, and worldwide poverty.
While they comfortably wait things out.
One can only hope that we endeavour to perservere, and with the help of the Almighty dodge these bullets…
This won't last long, energy demands are increasing while supplies are ebbing and costs are rising. Alternative power can't make up the gap. Rolling brown outs and gas lines will motivate this population against all of these policies. Once everyone understands the truth, drill, drill, drill and coal, coal, coal will become the norm.
Out here, in Concho, we export wind and dust and all sorts of other allergens. Don't tell Barry, though. I don't want his dumbass around here.
Nope! Dang! You are to far away…try eharmony! I have friends that have successful marriages from using that company. I keep telling her to do that too!
Mums the word!
Maybe the Mayans are right…..
Coal ash is used to supplement cement in concrete. To make a ton of cement a ton of green house gas it emitted. So for every ton of coal ash used in concrete it saves a ton of green house gas. Preventing the use of coal ash because it has been declared toxic will result in an increase in the emsion of green house gasses.
Peabody Coal just sued the EPA. The EPA is going to go to court and be forced to provve the scientific basis behind it's regs. The EPA will not act on this ash at this time. Ash does have valid uses and the Sierra Club will get all twisted in the BVD's. The ignorant woman running the EPA was warned a year ago by Whitehouse leaked memo that CO2 and other mandates most likely will not hold up in court. I have spen a little time looking for the letter. The EPA will not be able to say the IPCC says, the CRU says etc and a list of unsupported science articles write about CO2. Since the EPA is NOT fuilled with it's own original research laboratories, they have a big problem.
http://www.hilltopperhaven.com/board/viewtopic.ph...
There are many beneficial uses for coal ash as an SCM, not only emissions, but also costs and structural issues. One type of coal ash called Class F Fly Ash is very effective at mitigating what's called the Alkali-Silica Reaction (ASR) that takes place between alkalies in cement and siliceous minerals in the rock and sand that forms the bulk of concrete. In fact the use of F ash is mandated in many areas precisely to limit the degradation this reaction causes in structural concrete. The University of Texas is currently engaged in a comprehensive study on ASR due to widespread failure of bridges in that state. Removing fly ash from the tool box of concrete product manufacturers will raise costs, increase emissions and ultimately render portions of our infrastructure – which is mostly concrete – unsafe. I think more should be said in such articles about the use of coal ash in concrete, the most widely used building material on earth.
Also, it is inaccurate to state coal ash is used to make cement, as the author states. Coal ash promotes cementitious reactions in the presence of cement and so may be used to augment and replace some portion of the cement used in making concrete. One type of ash has minor cementitious properties and can be used alone in low strength elements, like ash bricks, but it is not used to "make cement". Coal ash belongs to a family of chemicals called pozzolans.
Find out where the other $600M in election funds to Obama came from, then you will understand the Obama "on-the-record" objective and agenda to end the coal industry in the U.S.A.
It well known fact in oil industry related circles, the UAE has a limited supply of oil, and after they deplete this finite supply, they lack comparable sources of revenue.
It is well known fact in oil industry related circles, the UAE must control this stage of depletion in order to net the greatest gain, control and power.
Now, about the bow thing….
well, the end of the Mayan long count supposedly indicates major changes. Some think calamity, others think the dawning of an age of enlightenment. Either way, it sure does seem some kind of change is in the air…
So Corn snow/ash debris is bad also- nobody eat corn – then i wont have white stuff on my black clothes
Where was the deaerating feed tank in your sketch? Any boiler tech knows you can put raw water through a boiler.
I am pretty sure it is going to get ugly before it gets better….I just wonder if we are on the precipice of tribulation….seems to be aligning up quite precisely….but then it seems all generations wonder that.
"…citing one particular talking point and beating it to death."
That's what we are fighting.
well, folk have been predicting the end for millenia. And they've been wrong every time. But this does have a different feel to it. And the 11,500 year cycle does sseem to be a possibility. There is a reason we don't know any history past, say 5,000 years ago.
But gotta stay positive, and speak to our better angels. Ultimately the physical presence is only a way station anyway…
not gree, black, cinder black…
Look again. Very bottom line: "Condenser cooling water".
Amen! Onward and upward!
Because the real goal of the eco-Fascists is not "clean energy" or "green enery", but NO energy. Repeal the Industrial Revolution, back to the Pleistocene. These people are dangerous lunatics.
I've worked in the concrete business for 37 years. If it wasn't for the important properties of fly ash mixed in with cement to make concrete we would be replacing bridges, buildings, and our foundations in our homes at half the time we now must. It makes concrete extremely durable and to do what the damned EPA wants to do will cause all future construction projects to cost three to four times what they do now! A very stupid idea. Of course being the Sierra Club, I am not surprised!
Rolly
well is seems you know your ash for a hole in the ground!
\\Were does one come by this knowlage?
Factually, America is also the Saudi Arabia of oil, too. If only they'd let us drill for it.
I've worked in the concrete business for 37 years. If it wasn't for the important properties of fly ash mixed in with cement to make concrete we would be replacing bridges, buildings, and our foundations in our homes at half the time we now must. It makes concrete extremely durable and to do what the damned EPA wants to do will cause all future construction projects to cost three to four times what they do now! A very stupid idea. Of course being the Sierra Club, I am not surprised!
With all due respect, no, we are not. We were at one time, but those days are passed. WTI used to be the benchmark, and still is on a limited basis, but oil production in the Permian Basin fell below 1 million bbl. per day years ago, and it isn't coming back.
man, we are gonna take our winnings and go buy us some coal!…
The odds aren't good, Cowboy- and they're getting worse. The next two election cycles are shaping up to be the UGLIEST in our history. Just wait until the 'race' card is REALLY played. And, they have a $600 billion slush fund for electioneering/dirty tricks.
And they will still most likely lose…
In parts of Txz, where rock & gravel are not readily available, bottom ash & fly ash are used for building
road-beds, before asphalt is laid down. Now, theres you a clean-up job, scraping up & disposing of
all that road base. MMM MMM MMM Shovel ready job, anyone???
Please. Tell us more.
Gentle Readers,
The TVA dumps coal ash! Is it just me, or is the government absolutely the worst polluter and the worst resource steward? I live in Colorado: the 3 worst Superfund sites are a. The Rocky Mtn Arsenal, b. Lowry Landfill & c. Rocky Flats, all government owned. Then there is the Summitville Mine, the Canadian Owner ran away from the cleanup costs and is hiding behind the NAFTA Secretariat. If the government wants less pollution, lets have less government.
Kindest Regards to all,
I am,
John Lepant
Brighton
Colorado
Funny how all of the articles on fly ash spill fail to mention that TVA is a government owned, government run utility tens of billions of dollars in debt while providing some of the most expensive and unreliable power in the south.
you should have noted that tva is the federal gov't. improve the environment privatize the tva.
Obama DID state he was going to stick it,collectively,up our azzes.I take him at our word.One question:Why do all marginally functioning socialist SELL so much energy and we can't?What's up w/that?And why do other countries get to have abundant cheap energy(a la nuclear) and we can't?Two words:G0******d democrats and their "useful idiots"
How is it that coal can sit in the ground for billions of years without being considered a threat. But once someone digs it up and burns the carbon out of it, the minerals that remain are suddenly too toxic to get get dumped back into the hole that coal was mined from?
It's the old moonshine argument. That home distilled whiskey contains wood alcohol that will make you go blind. But where does the wood alcohol come from? It's part of the fermenting process. It's in beer and wine too in exactly the same quantities as well as the "taxed" whiskey you buy in a store. Just a lie, a scare tactic created by the gov. to discourage consumption of UNTAXED liquors. And I bet if the gov. finds a way to tax coal ash, suddenly that will be safe too.
The people of the Sierra Club are idiots, simply put. If you tell them that farting is a greenhouse gas, they'll say it's time to regulate farting as toxic to the environment and the air we breathe. Now, hold that farting or the Sierra Club complain to the EPA. LOL.
Gee, several years ago the ecos were touting the superiority of "fly ash" concrete for the highways around Kansas City and how it was responsible recycling. In my opinion the "fly ash" portions of the road were rough – they didn't finish well – but then again they were on a fairly steep grade.
To its credit, although the "fly ash" concrete never got better, it has held up remarkably well. By Kansas City, Missouri standards, in comparison to the rest of crumbling Kansas City, Missouri roads, it has been stellar. The pilot project was on Southwest Trafficway from 31'st Street to the I-35 intersection.
…Lee
….maybe their civilization fell before they could make another calendar.
Damn droughts anyways! Climate change you know!
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