The stage is being set for another round of media examinations of “military culture” thanks to the ever weirder and more sordid saga of former Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY). For the uninitiated or those awakening from a deep coma, Massa is the recently resigned congressman who is coming under microscopic media scrutiny for alleged acts of inappropriate behavior, some of it allegedly constituting sexual harassment. In recent days, the media have been drilling down into his 24-year career as a naval officer and in the process, some pretty disturbing tales have been percolating to the surface.
During Lawrence O’Donnell’s March 10 guest hosting gig on MSNBC’s Countdown show, he wondered aloud, “Who has done more damage to the image of the Navy, Congressman Massa or the Village People?” a reference to the disco group and its 1979 hit In the Navy.
The blog at The Economist goes even farther, stating that Massa’s tales of high jinks on the high seas is entirely plausible:
Eric Massa, who is resigning from Congress over the possibility of a male staffer raising allegations of sexual harassment, has been explaining a series of jokes and misunderstandings over the years involving gay sex. Mr. Massa, who served in the Navy, says he’s a “salty old sailor.” I find this explanation entirely convincing.
Huffington Post editor Roy Sekoff, during an appearance on The Ed Show, was even more direct in his assessment, explaining how Massa’s alleged indiscretions were escalating to far higher levels:
Yesterday, it was a problem for the Democrats. Last night it was a problem for Glenn Beck. Today it’s a bigger problem for the Navy.
In the meantime, Massa himself has been using the opportunity to feed the media machine with tales of nearly ubiquitous “tickle fights” during his naval career and a traditional seafaring initiation ritual as an “orgy” as if to excuse his conduct with his own ‘that’s just how it was back in the day’ narrative.
First off, no, that’s not how it was back in the day. I served six years in the Navy, some of that time overlapping with Massa’s. I never once saw anything that remotely resembled some of what the former congressman describes as routine behavior in the fleet. Granted, I was a lowly enlisted man but in the course of two Mediterranean deployments and one Indian Ocean deployment, I never once heard of or participated in a tickle fight.

As for Massa’s description of his 1983 Shellback initiation as an “orgy” again, all I can say is that what he describes does not even remotely compare with my 1982 initiation onboard the USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). Sure, I was compelled to crawl through garbage and undergo any number of similar, silly humiliations, all of which have been part of naval lore in all fleets of all nations for many centuries. But an orgy? No way.
Missing from all of this for the time being is the fact that the behavior described by Massa’s accusers is illegal under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the legal system under which all military personnel are held accountable. If an officer were found to be engaged in coercive behavior involving real or perceived sexual harassment, it would be impossible for that officer to escape punishment absent a conspiracy to hide the facts. A review of the 1991 Tailhook scandal provides a pretty good primer of how that all works.
This is likely where the story will head, in an examination of military culture. It will be voluminous and highly negative of the Navy. It will often fail to note that any offenders represent a miniscule number of Navy personnel and will seek to portray isolated instances of poor behavior as pervasive. Whether this will be pushed into the media bloodstream via a continued congressional ethics inquiry of Massa or enterprise reporting by some news organization seeking a scapegoat in pursuit of a fresh journalism prize remains to be seen. Either way, the media need a well defined set of villains and victims in order to sustain coverage of this or any other issue and the way this story is shaping up, I my guess is we’ll be hearing more, and more lurid, tales of conduct unbecoming in the weeks and months to come.






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Big Journalism posts are definitely being censored… Goodby!
I have pictures of the shellback hyjinks during WW2 from my father-in-law, strange old salt he was, but not gay, just strange fun to appease Neptune.
I'm not sure who Massa thinks he's fooling when he claims he isn't gay. Tickle fights? "Snorkeling"? Weird…..
Off-Off topic……
The Boondock Saint's bus is at the Paradise in Boston…On St Patty's day…with one of the brothers, David Dellarocco, and the writer/director. I'm 42 miles away. I can almost hear the upcoming party.
in high school we called them 'towel snappers'…
They enjoyed the shower entirely too long and would chase each other around snapping towels at their rear ends.
Not gay, exactly- but not exactly straight, either. The Navy- a couple hundred guys on a ship for months- does lend itself to some strange behaviour, no doubt. One of the myriad of reasons we opted for combat arms. But we digress.
The movie 'Stripes'. Bill Murray and Harold Ramis are being interviewed by the recruiting officer.
Recruiter: "Are you boys gay- sorry, have to ask the question" Murray: "Will they send us someplace special?"
Ramis: "No we're not. But we're willing to LEARN"…
Massa broke the first two rules of Tickle Fight Club
Rule 1: YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT TICKLE FIGHT CLUB
Rule:2 YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT TICKLE FIGHT CLUB
They are definitely NOT being censored. We are working on the problem now.
The name Foley rings a bell for some reason!!! What, when,who knew about all this!! ? Was there a cover up? Would Massa Still be sitting in the "Rocking Chair" cuddled comfortably in their cradle if he had been a yes vote?
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Make the trip! The Dropkick Murphy's will probly be playn'!
did he and congressman sestak tickle fight in the navy? he did endorse sestak. maybe the secret government job joe sestak was offered was as tickle fight coordinator for the 7th fleet
Rule 3:When someone yells stop, passes out, pees himself, or gets a stiffy,
tickle fight over
Rule 4:Two or more guys to a tickle fight.
Rule 5: Only one tickle fight at a time.
Rule 6: You tickle fight without shirt or shoes….pants optional.
Rule 7: Tickle fights will go on for as long as they have to.
Rule 8: If this is your first night at Tickle Fight Club, you have to tickle fight.
Be interisting to know if you got it fixed Michael.
I have posted probably 20 times to you tonight.
Be further interesting to know what the problem was.
While not a tin hat conspiracy theorist, I do find it odd that your problems began about 15 minutes before Obama was on FOX news, and they have continued all night long.
Massa's an embarrassment…a "closet" tickler..Insecure and,.lookin' for attention.
.Please ask, so I can tell..(in my convoluted way..).
Now Massa's gone..
.He's not worth any more "ink" or the brain power to dream up semi-clever crapola
to fill the space for 1 point….
Probably get deleted anyway…
That's very funny and clever…
I just read the description on your avatar…Guess what famous T-radio personality, also reads the Bigs…Does not mention by name but by content…
On behalf of "salty old sailors" everywhere, Massa is full of BS.
The behavior he's describing is complete BS.
If he and others engaged in what he's trying to foist off as traditional Navy behavior, then he and his "companion(s) are lucky they got back to port without being thrown off the fantail at 0-Dark-Thirty.
Some serious oddball stuff goes on, especially underway. I've made 5 deployments, and people get a little stir crazy. But I've never heard of Massa's "tickle fights" and I served on WESTPAC during the same timeframe. Like Scott said, it was in the Wardroom and we don't know what goes on in there. Pink-Bellies, sure. Duct taped a guy to a chair once (can't do that anymore!). And various and sundry practical jokes – go get some waterline, go to "B" division and get me a BT punch for this, mail buoy watch, hazardous navigation, and my favorite – go crank down the mast (that one was a winner!). Shellback was definitely not an "orgy" – wasn't fun the first time around, but it gets better after that. Chief's initiation was something else entirely, but still no orgy. Heard he was a PITA as an XO, though.
glad you liked it,
it took me 12 times to get it posted.
Someone mentioned this? Where was this?
You didn't guess…
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If Massa thinks crawling through rotting garbage is an "orgy"- well, then he's even weirder than we thought. Of course, he might have enjoyed having his ass pounded with lengths of firehose…
You didn't guess….anyway it was Rush…
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fantum
Now…you just a paranoid old koot……Check yo' tin foil hat..Bad reception….
You receivin' da wrong information on yo decoder ring, too……..
What?!? No Way!
To any major TV or radio personalities reading this:
Its okay to use the Tickle Tight rues on your show!
To my fellow posters:
feel free to join the Tickle Fight Club in the PIT
http://activitypit.ning.com/group/ticklefightclub
Cute site…will check it out further, later…
I was already a Shellback in 1981 when I crossed the line in the Indian Ocean on the Kitty Hawk in 1981. Unfortunately for me, the crew didn't recognize my cruise ship SS Monterrey crossing certificate from 1963 (which I had been careful to bring along). I was unfairly treated as a Polliwog. That said, there was absolutely nothing sexual in the entire proceeding. It was fairly brutal (but nothing compared to NOBC Pensacola). The procedure that came closest to being sexual was getting your face rubbed in the peanut butter, ketchup, etc. laden belly of the fattest man on board. I avoided the latter, but still consider the whole process part of a tradition that is completely divorced from homosexuality (at least in modern times).
Are you Michael Walsh the Editor of BG? If so you might consider making that known in your posts in a way that cannot be compromised, different color, graphic, profile, etc.
A few days ago testing showed the words s*o*c*i*a*l*i*s*t and s*o*c*i*a*l*i*s*m caused a post to be immediately deleted. Today, posts seem to be accepted but a refresh and they are gone.
Previously I tested j*e*w j*e*w*i*s*h and m*u*s*l*i*m with the same results.
Also, if you are denying posts because of words, a list of those might be helpful, not necessarily cuss words since everyone should know they are not acceptable.
Just a few suggestions, I hope they help.
Also noticed this page flickers and takes an unusual amount of CPU time, maybe your testing code or a virus.
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I can't speak for what went on in O-country but I can attest to the absence of tickle fights in the Marine compartment. I remember "smokers" (amateur boxing matches). I even engaged in an egg fight during an underway replenishment which resulted in the entire Marine Detachment being restricted to the ship in Naples and no doubt cut deeply into the hookers bottom line. I never crossed the equator but I did become a Blue Nose (crossing the Arctic Circle) on a North Atlantic cruise.
I'm not sure what Navy Massa served in but I'm confident it wasn't ours.
I don't find Massa's story all that odd. I was a civilian employee of the US Navy for several years and I saw some pretty strange things The navy has all kinds of ceromonies for crossing certain latitudes and longitudes. Submariners particularly can have some really strange rituals. I never saw a tickle fight but I saw some harrassment
that I would have deemed innappriopriate but none of the navy guys seemed to mind. They actually looked forward to their ritual ceromonies. There was some kind of ceromony where grown men wore diapers and I an not joking or making this up. When they started harrasing me after a few weeks I kinda thought is was cool, they had accepted me.
I have nothing but respect for the men and women that protect us and if they want to blow off steam with silly behaviour then I say let them have some fun. Some of Massa's stories seem to have some truth in them, might be embellished but some of it is true.
As a former submariner from back in the day when you could still have the "strange rituals" , i was wondering what you consider harrassment?
To be picked on and harrassed is or at least was part of navy submarine culture. If you could not handle being called a nub or non-qual and made to eat last, how where you going to survive working on a submarine at sea.
I have had posts deleted on all three "Big_" websites and intend to post no more. Several other things happened also. Registered bloggers of the leftist view posing as conservatives have posted inflammatory posts to which I responded, then they change their words to make my quotes appear inflammatory and from me. A third thing I notice is that when I tried to respond to the query from one post today with urls that they requested for the topic, all three times, as you say, "…page flickers and takes an unusual amount of CPU time…" I will not have my written word compromised on the internet. If someone does not agree with me, say so in a civil manner and give me your reasons. I mean what I say and say what I mean, and stand behind everything I say and can back it up. Censure does not flush. This is my last post. Andrew, tread carefully with what you create so you do not become like the people you oppose. yeti out.
Hmmm… did you intend this for Andrew?
Enjoyed the footage of the Mighty War Hoover (S-3 Viking). The skipper of my husband's VS squadron had roaming hands and a habit of staring at guys if they wore their flight-suits too tight. He tried to package-check my husband at a Hail and Farewell at NASNI and would have gotten himself decked if a LCDR had not hastily stepped in between. He got out and died of AIDs 2 years later. Meanwhile at NAVGOSP Balboa, the Admiral in charge was gay. 3 Navy docs in my Dad's department were HIV positive and a fourth was continually the subject of complaints from enlisted men in the SD area for his inappropriate sexual advances. Nothing ever seemed to happen to him though. Lavender Mafia wins again. He was even able to transfer overseas without undergoing the required pre-deployment HIV screening.
Enjoyed the footage of the Mighty War Hoover (S-3 Viking). The skipper of my husband's VS squadron had roaming hands and a habit of staring at guys if they wore their flight-suits too tight. He tried to package-check my husband at a Hail and Farewell at NASNI and would have gotten himself decked if a LCDR had not hastily stepped in between. He got out and died of AIDs 2 years later. Meanwhile at NAVHOSP Balboa
I was Navy, off and on, for 20 years. Officer and enlisted. West coast, east coast, gulf coast. 4.5 deployments. Saw a Sailor get his arm broke during a "tacking on" ceremony. Bridge wachstanders stabbing each other in with dividers during the midwatch. Engineers holding onto the propellor shaft. Deck Apes jumping into the overhead in rough seas. ET's throwing capacitors at each other. Lots of stupidity,but never heard of anything resembling a tickle fight. Anybody that tried would have been ostracized (best case) or not made it to Quarters in the morning (worst case). Maybe Massa had tickle fights at the "admin room", but I guarantee there were only 2 people invloved…
Sounds like the Greek navy.
this upcoming game is undoubtedly remarkable
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