During today’s Super Bowl, football fans will see a thirty-second commercial depicting Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow and his mother expressing gratitude that, 23 years ago, Mrs. Tebow chose not to abort Tim when she was pregnant and advised to do so by her doctors. The ad will cost about $3 million for its sponsor, the religious group Focus on the Family.
The ad has evoked angry criticism primarily from anachronistic feminists (and, inexplicably, a few homosexual groups) who, I’ll wager, don’t even watch much football regularly much less tune in the Super Bowl. Nevertheless, these graying feminists have exploded in fury at Mrs. Tebow expressing joy for the life of her son – my son the college student, my son the Heisman Trophy winner. But why express such anger and venom at a mother’s pride?
If I were to guess, the reason is that these “aborto-fanatics” (my term) cannot respond in kind. Focus on the Family shows the triumph of choosing life. How Mrs. Tebow’s choice made a “we” out of “me.” What can NOW show? What proud accomplishments can NARAL highlight? A massive body count and the millions it has paid the abortion industry.
NARAL typically trumpets its “safe and legal” abortions. So, why not a thirty-second spot showing one of these “safe and legal” abortions? Or a tour of an abortion clinic? Show pride in your work, NOW and NARAL!
[Links to pictures of aborted babies at 24 weeks gestational age here, here, and here. WARNING: not for the squeamish and NSFW.]
Or perhaps a more poignant commentary showing the legacy of abortion, akin to Mrs. Tebow’s. Maybe a commercial depicting an empty rocking chair, as a young woman’s voiceover explains “I chose to terminate my pregnancy at 3 months; I’m proud I chose to continue my life plans and avoided the emotional experience of choosing adoptive parents for my baby boy.” Cut to an empty laboratory as a mother’s voice proclaims “thirty-five years ago, I aborted my daughter; next week she would be publishing her research on a revolutionary cancer treatment. Fortunately, I didn’t have to pay her graduate-school bills.” A wilted bouquet tied with tattered hanging tulle: “Today would be my daughter’s wedding day, except I chose to abort her 25 years ago. I’m relieved I didn’t choose to celebrate that special day.”
Will Women’s Media Center or the Feminist Majority sponsor such commercials celebrating such choice? I doubt it.
In the aborto-fanatics’ zealous ideology, their First Commandment is: “Thou shalt have no other choice but Mine.” If Women’s Media Center and the Feminist Majority were truly pro-choice, they would affirm and applaud all women’s choices, including the choice for life. The aborto-fanatics’ outrage belie the truth of the entire abortion agenda. They favor abortion at any age at any stage from pre-implantation (RU486) to late term partial birth.
And their second commandment is: “Thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s children.”
They think life is for stupid “breeders” who don’t know any better or whose natural desire for many children must be restrained. Some would secretly favor the Chinese policy of hunting down such breeders and forcibly aborting their babies all in the name of guarding against Global Starvation, the populationists’ version of the Climate Change.
To sell their product, aborto-fanatics must necessarily argue that giving life to a baby requires the mother must sacrifice her own life either literally or figuratively; that choosing life is like the Super Bowl, a zero sum game, that there is only one winner. Such is not the case. Millions of mothers can attest to the fallacy of that argument. Unlike the Super Bowl, life is a win-win scenario.
In any event, I still don’t get NOW’s petulance over any kind of a Super Bowl commercial. Maybe it’s me, but I just can’t picture a bunch of shrill, gray-haired feminists hanging out with Bud longnecks and nachos in hand, watching the Super Bowl, and high-fiveing what’s-his-name Manning!
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I think the are afraid of the sun light Susan…
This is a great article, Susan Swift. Thanks for bringing it to us. It is so true, what is there to celebrate with abortion? Nothing and Nothing. No joy, no happiness, just………….nothing.
I've had three girlfriends who'd had abortions, and all of them were emotionally and spiritually scarred by it. Unsurprisingly, they alternated between regret and rationalization… oh, and they were all left-liberals. Of course, I eventually broke off with them, despite many redeeming qualities they each had, because I never knew what would set them off and into an emotional tailspin. I'm not at all surprised that the pro-death paleo-feminazis freak out at this kind of a story. Just look at the demographic they represent: Middle aged women past child bearing years with lot's of regrets. I mean, "duh." A story like the Tebow's is a slap in the face reminding a lot of them of the path they "chose" not to take.
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Life is precious and unrepeatable. It only happens once to each of us. No matter how long or short that life is.
The question is, when you come to the end of yours, what will you wish you had done differently? That is where the choice lies.
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."-John 3:20
It's interesting that all the pro-Abortioneers had mothers that were pro-life.
Their moms chose life but they choose death. So very curious.
The pro-death crowd might consider performing post-partum abortions on themselves just to show us how much they believe in their own concepts.
How can any pro-abortionist love their mother, who did choose life? Maybe that's it. They all hate their mothers and are trying to get even with the world.
"To sell their product, aborto-fanatics must necessarily argue that giving life to a baby requires the mother must sacrifice her own life either literally or figuratively; that choosing life is like the Super Bowl, a zero sum game, that there is only one winner. Such is not the case. Millions of mothers can attest to the fallacy of that argument. Unlike the Super Bowl, life is a win-win scenario."
I can honestly say there is nothing greater in my life I have accomplished than being a mother. And I am damn proud of that fact!
Interesting to ponder that one.
nice.
You ever notice how, when someone makes a bad decision, they want to convince everyone else to do the same thing? Oh come on, a face tattoo is cool! I think this plays into the aggressiveness of the pro-abort crowd. To take such drastic action has to leave scars and to see an uplifting message the flies in the face of the choice you made, has to make one deal with some uncomfortable truths. The more guilty they feel, the more strident they get.
This was an insightful and brilliant and moving commentary!
I wish Obama's mother hadn't been punished with a baby.
That's been my experience too. An abortion is forever, and not just for the baby. Very few if any mothers come out of the experience unscathed – many spend the rest of their lives living with deep regret.
This ladies and gentlemen is exactly why they despise SaraPalin…
Pro-Choice is Pro-Abortion! It's not about choice at all—–it's about killing babies—–that's ALL it's about!!
Oh yeah, it's about making money—–lot's of money——made by 'killing' innocent beautiful defenseless babies
——–Two Goes In —– One Comes Out ———————-every time! Has anybody thought of the upside down pyramid?
If 'they' believe that 'it' isn't even a person (just tissue) and removing it is like removing a tumor – then the ? should be,…
What are you 'terminating'?
Great commentary. I wonder if Huffington Post will post the commercial on their website? They have made a big deal out of it of course. I doubt Airheadana will post it. She's such a whiner.
Luckily, there are many women who take their expericence and do the opposite and become ardent pro-lifers.
ANYONE, PLEASE:
I have found two extremely non-offensive Tebow & Mom Superbowl ads
1: http://youtu.be/6BIOTItUwvk
2: http://youtu.be/Z4_2CrMGDpI
Are they just teaser ads? Is there a thrid ad scheduled for the game itself — one we haven't seen? Something really offensive?
Someone, throw me a bone, or at least a link to an ad different than the two above.
Paul Klenk
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Those are some of the bravest women I know. Can you imagine how hard it must be to face your regret, own up to the mistake and try to stop others from doing the same thing?
GREAT article. ProChoice has never had anything to do with a "choice" — it has been the euphemistic title behind which 1.5 million babies (80% of which are babies of color) ARE MURDERED EACH YEAR. There isn't "choice" in ProChoice which is now being made apparent. Thank you NARAL and NOW and ProChoice advocates for finally coming out from under that rock and showing the world your true motives and aims. By suing the network over showing an ad that CELEBRATES LIFE and ProLIFE ideals, you are showing everyone that you never gave a RAT'S REAR about life….only death.
ProChoice is ProAbortion. Period.
And anyone arguing with you that it's not that simple, or women deserve the choice to safe abortions, are assuaging their miserable, murderous consciences.
That is so true! Recognizing the sin –because 'killing is a sin first, against the law, second ——ALL laws are based on God's commandments ———- and then learning from the error and then living differently, is a great grace given by God for healing, repenting, and 'listening' to that 'voice' which WE ALL HEAR ——the voice of Our Creator!
Because even though 'they' define what a baby is or is not —–WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM——
WE ALL HAVE THAT LUXURY OF KNOWING ——— ABORTED BABIES DO NOT!
…..AND IF THE BABY WAS 1 SECOND OLD – THE MOTHER WOULD BE CHARGED WITH PREMEDITATED MURDER!
Unfortunately, the left sees it as them "pushing their views on them" or taking away their "right" to choose…when all they are trying to do is save them from the lifelong heartache, heartbreak, and devastation that they have to deal with.
How deranged does one have to be to be offended by a mother proud of her son that's leading a fulfilling and happy life?
These so-called feminists must have such deep seated guilt over abortions that seeing a joyful mother provokes a psychotic reaction. No wonder they hate Sarah Palin so much.
Can you imagine what the court case would be like……….
The charge would be 'premeditated murder' in the first degree.
The evidence, crushed skull- blood drained from the baby, poisoning of the body with chemicals, legs and arms ripped off, the body then dumped into a trash can – a can labeled 'biological waste'!
How do you plead?
Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity???????
“Faith is the bird that feels the light and sings when the dawn is still dark.” ~ Rabindranath Tagore ~
This was a favorite line of my Grandmother that I remember her saying throughout my youth. She said it when things looked overwhelming or discouraging. Perhaps this is the message that Tim Tebow and his mother are trying to convey to expectant mothers.
Keep faith, feel the life, time will see darkness give way to sunshine.
I will never understand how, if a pregnant woman is murdered it is double homicide, yet if a baby is aborted it's "choice"…
Do not unto others that which you are not willing to do unto yourself. Sounds like a plan to me.
How about if the 'father' wanted the baby aborted – does he have the right to kill it? Why not—–cause it would be murder!
If you had aborted a half-dozen of so of your babies, and you had to look at a film about Tim and his Mother I think you would feel terribly guilty. Guilt feels really bad. I cannot imagine how bad it feels to have killed your own because they were an inconvenience. There are circumstances when it may be the best decision, but most of the time it is just like Obama said, they do not want to be punished with a baby! Then at some time they have to reconcile with that selfish decision, it must hurt like hell!
I once worked with a young woman who had a miscarriage. We worked different shifts and I didn't see her often but one evening as I was going off shift, I saw her sitting at the cardiac monitors. I didn't know her well, but felt the need to say something to her. I went over, put my arm around her shoulders and told her, "I'm so sorry for your loss." Her eyes welled with tears and she hugged me hard, whispering, "Oh, thank you. It was my baby. Everyone keeps telling me I can have another one, but it was my first baby." The pain in her voice and the tears that wet my shoulder told me everything. It was her baby.
Children are a gift from God
Perhaps that is why pro-choice people want to get rid of them
But their time will come before "The Creator"
Will He decide he just wants to get rid of them?
Remember and grieve and embrace the unfortunate victims(babies, families, women, men, society) of the barbarism that is the abortion industry.
Many women have lost their crowns as Queen of Human LOVE because of being talked into, believing that one choice is barbarism.
Let us return to Human Beauty, and welcome all to wear their crown of Glory, as Female and Male Humans, carriers, protectors of the innocent.
Let families,and all of society begin to heal this sad era.
libs dont want anyone's voices heard…unless it is their's and your agree with them. Bunch of Stalinists and Chavez wannabes.
Nope, that was the full ad. That tiny little clip about a mother's "miracle baby" is what had the feminist, liberal wackos up in arms for weeks.
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Focus on the Family certainly played the left to the maximum advatage with the Tebow brouhaha. It knew the moral relativist sotted marxist madams of the bawdy houses that are the lamestream media would rush in to amplify the the screams of the left's street girl feminazis yelling they had been mugged by a league of Johns.
The megaphone media rushed in to to aid in censoring and silencing Focus on the Family and got sucker punched. Millions are now are are aware of the growing strength of the Pro-Life movement and learned of the Tebow family's stand for life to death. Millions more will be licking on Focus on the Famly's website soon to find out if they do not know the Tim Tebow story with many likely contributing money to Focus on the Family .The bully boy left in its unceasing desire to censor its opponents have been administered some well orchestrated street justice.along with the feminazis and the media's blow dried pimps and their sister in censorship the Hags of the Hamptons. The entire left have all been played by the Tebow fury like the cheap gongs they are in fact by the pro-life movement.
Just like Conservatives only want their voices heard
The people I am talking about are the ones who push abortions, hurting not only the unborn but the naive,
"A POX on their house".
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Pro-choice = anti-choice = anti-free speech = fascism.
That's a bunch of crap. It's not simple, and only a self-important blowhard would pretend it was.
How funny is it that after all the ridiculous posturing by the Leftists, the Tebow ad couldn't have been more moderate in tone. Great idea for a great ad. Liberals must be kicking themselves now for giving the ad so much attention.
Gee… Maybe NARAL could show dead woman/girls…there are about 90,000 female ob.gyn deaths each year…
We could show a montage: Paul Hill, (executed murderer); Erich Rudolph, (incarcerated cop killer & nurse maimer).
what's a few dead cops? a few mained nurses…? a few self rightous folk, who make assinine arguments, like… Scott Roeder, prolife hero? Did you see the prolife protesters with their "GOD SENT THE SHOOTER" signs, outside Dr. Tiller's office? As a Pagan, my Gods & Goddesses DON'T send shooters, bombers, arsonists, arline-hijackers, etc.!
Or James Copp, physician killer!
This article brought tears to my eyes.. not in a bad way, mind. Almost 28 years ago, I gave birth to a baby boy. The pregnancy came about as a result of rape, and despite the fact that at the time (I was 19) I was a liberal democrat, and supported the notion of what I called "choice" at the time, I decided to carry the pregnancy to term and place the child up for adoption. I do not regret for one moment, my decision. I know he was adopted by a wonderful, Christian family who could not conceive a child of their own.
I've been highly offended by the disgusting attacks and attempts to demean Mrs. Tebow and her son, most especially those by Joy Behar, because it was as though she was making a dig at the innocent baby I gave up, who is now a young man. Ms. Behar is apparently ignorant of the fact that being a rapist is not an inheritable trait, and that her hateful comments demean countless innocent human beings who had no say in their parentage, their rights to dignity and respect. I am so grateful to the Tebow's extraordinary grace and decency, and their dignity in the face of such a hateful onslaught. They're in my thoughts and prayers.
Yep. What America can survive when policy is that it is preferable to kill unborn American children, rather than armed Muslim men?
Kinda makes you wonder who's driving the bus these days?
Crying foul over the remarks of a proud mother is not worth making fun of. These clowns mock themselves.
It’s sad that this acrimonious group of old, gray, clip-haired feminist hags show such disdain for youngsters, among whom, might have the keys to unlock the worlds most insidious diseases. It would only have taken a handful of these potentially very fertile minds to unlock these secrets. Perhaps it just because that the “women” of naral, like their communist cousins, Code Stink, are po’d that they couldn’t get laid if their lives depended on it.
Awesome site. Gives me the invcentive for my fitness goals this year.
I have never understood why NOW and NARAL don't admit the truth about women's choice. They make their choice when they choose to have unprotected sex and get pregnant (obviously does not apply to rape victims). That is the choice they have ALWAYS had. The truth is they are not willing to live with the consequences of that choice.
Those who protest things like this ad are the modern equivalent of the people who burned witches at Salem.
The gay rights movement sold its soul the day it decided to be joined at the hip of "choice."
I am pro-choice and I liked the ad. It was honest and real and devoid of the ignorance and hate that I read in most of these posts. Mrs. Tebow exercised her right to choose and I'm happy for her. But she made a choice – which is something most of you would wish deny others in the same situation.
I believe women that have abortions often feel terrible guilt and sadness at their decision. But others do not. And if any of you love freedom like you say you do, you have to realize that making abortions illegal WILL NOT stop it from happening. Women have had abortions for thousands of years -long before Roe v Wade – and usually at the expense of their own lives.
If you love freedom, you have to take the good with the bad. No person, government or religious institution has the authority to dictate what someone can and can't do with their bodies. Once they have that power, freedom is over. Then they can tell you to wear a beard in honor of a messiah, dress you in burqa, circumsize you, tattoo you… the possibilities are endless.
I feel sorry and sad for the women who choose an abortion, but I will fight to the end their right to do so. Maybe they will continue to screw up their lives, but maybe they won't. Maybe they will take their pain, sorrow and regret and do something wonderful with it. That is beauty of living in a free country.
I know a couple who had an abortion before they were married while still in college. They married, have 7 wonderful kids and I'm sure will always miss the big brother. I'm sure there are many others that given that choice again would keep the baby and love it forever.
Many find out later that the child(ren) they aborted is/are the only ones they were able to have.
Then, they get to sit and ponder that now that their situation is "improved," they want a child. They can't have one, and they killed the one(s) they did have.
Sad state of affairs. No wonder they are so crabby.
My advice is to start dating good conservative girls! Hopefully, the percentage of those who have chosen that path will be much reduced.
"I never knew what would set them off and into an emotional tailspin."
I think that occurs just about any time progressive/liberal/dems don't get their way.
Yes – not only did she have a baby at an inconvenient time in her life, but she chose to have a disabled one.
How do you argue with the message: "Celebrate Family. Celebrate Life?"
Seriously, how is this offensive to anyone?
(Those are rhetorical questions.)
Why do the graying feminists express such anger and venom? Because that's all they have left. They've aborted their Mothers Pride long ago along with what could have been.
An earlier post on this topic gave the name of two organizations that have helped many women recover from the guilt and depression that accompanies abortion. One of the groups was Rachel's Vineyard. I can't recall the other. I believe there are a great many women who experience this guilt and regret, although their number is suppressed by those who profit from their procedures.
For them, just seeing a baby, a child, an adolescent, or a young adult reminds them of what age their own aborted child would be.
Oh, how angry and bitter the radical feminists must be that technology has now progressed to showing in utero images – a clear contradiciton
Watched the add this evening, and my reaction was: That's IT? I cannot imagine how anyone could find fault with Pam and Tim Tebow's testimony, unless to think like me that it was a bit too innocuous.
NARAL and Planned Barrenhood really led with their chins: their rantings for the past week had many more people curious to find out what was so offensive about the ad. After seeing it, they'll think (rightly) that they are nuts.
Bless you for your unselfish choice.
No person, government or religious institution has the authority to dictate what someone can and can't do with their bodies.
So…that doesn't include the baby? You don't give a fig about the baby's choice? There's a huge difference between a government telling you to dress in a burqa and telling you that murder of an innocent baby is wrong.
And, are you telling me my post is "hate?" I'm "hateful" because I believe a baby is a human? You have a strange definition of hate.
and multiplying, exponentially, its effect!
I have never for one minute watched Joy Behar (Joy – what a misnomer, by the way!), and I never will. I seldom ever call names, but that woman is a "mad cow," and I risk insulting some very sweet bovines.
Just saw the commercial. It didn't once mention abortion. Focus on the Family got untold free publicity out of the controversy the pro-abortion people created. Marketing Genius.
Good response, IdahoGal.
Progressive/liberal/dems tend to rationalize everything to pieces. A little slide here, and a little slide there, and pretty soon, there is moral relativity, instead of right and wrong.
This commenter, who proports to be a concerned doctor, is at least sympathetic to the level of regret and depression that abortion can cause.
Wow, I hope I never need your help in a medical emergency. You seem to get a sadistic thrill out of the 50 million murdered babies since 1973. And as for those evil abortionists you mention–one shot, one kill.
The feminists' activist groups lost all credibility when they continually trashed Sarah Palin – a WOMAN.
They are only advocates for those who support their own liberal agendas.
We The People have begun to awaken from our slumber. Everyone now knows these shrill groups are just "fronts" for progressive/liberal/democrats.
Any advertiser worth his salt had better be paying attention. We're voting with our wallets! Ask MSNBC how much that hurts…
I actually wasn't replying to your comments directly, more to the overall tone of the debate here. I will say you seem a bit hostile, but I know that is part of the deal. We're talking about an emotional subject.
First off, there is no one that thinks abortion is "right". There is no one cheering for more abortions, or trying to force women into abortions because they think abortion are the best choice. When a woman decides to have an abortion, it is VERY OBVIOUS what she is doing. So the government telling me it is wrong seems highly unnecessary, especially in a (supposedly) free country like ours.
Secondly, I do give a fig about the baby, but in all honestly, the unborn baby has no choice. I have a two year old daughter, and even she has no choice. I make her choices for her, and will do so as much as possible until she is 18.
Sadly, human life is expendable and has been since the dawn of time. I believe that babies are the most incredible things ever, miraculous even, but they are not unique. Almost any woman can have one. Or have twenty.
Listen, life is hard. Life can end in horrible ways and always will. War, disease, famine, murder. That is part of the cost of living.
And I believe the benefits of free will and conscious choice for hundreds of millions of people outweigh the costs of abortion, as grotesque as those costs are. At the end of the day, telling someone what they can and can't do with their bodies is just as impossible as ending war or any of the other thousands of terrible things we do to each other every day. It just won't work.
Hopefully my daughter won't get pregnant before she is ready, but I know kids do stupid, risky things. I know I did. A teen's brains aren't even developed enough to fathom the consequences. So the last thing I would want her doing is acting on her own to perform a risky abortion that may end both her life and the child's. And that is exactly what happens when abortion is made illegal.
So my goal has always been to work for ways to make it easier for women to find alternatives to abortion, which in my opinion starts with sex education (early), contraception, and open adoptions.
If you can't do that, then I suggest you offer care, love, support and understanding for those who chose, for whatever selfishly human reason, to terminate. For most of those women, they carry the pain and guilt for a lifetime. But as I said in my previous post, there is no telling what can come from their choice. And that is beauty of having free will and living in America.
How can anyone view the links to the aborted baby pictures in the article and not be just heartbroken at the heinous, violent acts of the abortionists? Unbelievable…this is truly a holocaust.
Your post is the perfect example of why legislation is not the answer to abortion. People must be won over in their hearts and minds. Take a look at the links to the pictures of the aborted babies. If this does not turn you away from the tragedy of abortion, nothing will. Go ahead, take a look if you have the guts…
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You make a very good point. I remember as a ypung man going to a couple of parties where they were smoking pot it was so important to them to get you to smoke the pot as well and if you did not then you were not one of them they did not trust you. This seems to be kind of the same mind set. Not to mention that most abortions are for greedy reasons not for dire medical emergencies as proclaimed by the perveyors of this evil practice. I am not saying that there is never any reason for an abortion medically I do not know. But I have lived long enough to understand that the position taken by Obama of his daughter being punished by having a baby is pure evil but it is excepted in these days as reasonable. Make a mistake so kill your baby. The left is losing there argument and medical science is helping them lose it by the progress they have made to show that it really is a baby a human being worthy of life and protection.
What in the world are you talking about?
Damn over-emotional pagans, go hug a tree or something.
I believe the Tebows are a class act all of them. The stand for human decency so of course they will be the targets of evil. I bet the haters at HuffPo are spitting mad.
It's sad that these types of immoral persons are given a voice in society, to influence the vulnerable, and to cause lives to be shattered, babies to be killed, out of convenience.
The fun thing is that Youtube didn't include the Tebow ad in their Super Bowl ad page.
Abortion has claimed 6 times as many lives as did Hitler's holocaust. It has claimed more than Stalin's purge of 25 million of his fellow Russians. It is a national disgrace and an individual shame. The souls of these babies cry for justice and are heard by the Creator – vengeance belongs to Him. Meanwhile, we will not be silent. We will not stop trying to educate people that life does begin at conception. That murder is murder and that women who are talked into killing their unborn children have guilt for the rest of their lives. And shame. That is no way to live, ladies. Don't believe a word otherwise.
NARAL, NOW and other enemies of Life should be ashamed of themselves over these two ads. The Mother exercised her Right ..in other words, her Choice!! Kudos to CBS for keeping the ads.
The ads were very tasteful and not in your face as the ads are for the Non Life groups.
did anyone keep you from speaking here? I didn't think so, but you'll never admit it.
Just like when mom or dad would say "if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you follow?" – You described perfectly the lemming mentality of these people.
0bama's mother was probably more interested in making a political statement by having him rather than do the trendy abortion thing.
Sadly, the replacements of illegal immigrants you describe would probably turn out to be their Frankenstein's monster, and eventually strangle our country as well as the original libs.
In all fairness, the mature smoker would thank you for your refusal because it means more weed for me!
But I understand your point. It's the mindset of the weak. They need confirmation that they aren't retarded by recruiting other retards to be retarded with them. Then they are all just one big retarded family being laughed at by society.
But that's just me.
I'm so sorry for what you had to go through. You are an inspiration.
U hey Hucbald….3? Where is your responsibility? Hmmmm
What did all of the players and fans of the Super Bowl have in common? Hardly any were aborted…
I don't think he meant he was the father of the three aborted babies.
"90,000 female obgyn deaths each year" ?
Your talking about worldwide? And how could that figure be come by?
The US maternal death rate is 7.7 per 100,000.
Your "90,000 deaths" would then mean 1,168,831,169 deliveries – that's 1.168 billion.
Maybe you could share with us where you got your information.
I think if you spent a few days at an abortion clinic doing clean-up your attitude might change.
Maybe not … doesn't seem like your "gods & godesses" care much for babies.
Excuse me, but are you BRAGGING about this? Were these YOUR children who were aborted? Sorry, but the tone of your post is so offensive! If you were the father of these three aborted babies, you are just as culpable for not taking responsibility. If you were NOT the father, where are you meeting women, in bars? Your post makes you sound really bad, Hucbald. Or it at least makes you sound like you have absolutely NO taste in women.
Sorry r perkins, you may have taken my comment out of context. It was meant to be a reply to 'R. Frano, EMT-P', but I accidently posted it as a new comment. I moved it to the 'reply' of R. Frano.
It’s rather hypocritical and obvious that all NARAL members had parents who were pro lifers.
How many NARAL members are sad that their parents did not choose to abort them? If they had the ability, would they have demanded their parents abort them? Hmm hmm hmm.
What an absurd article, and even more absurd comments. You all do realize that abortions happened before Roe v. Wade, yes? It makes me sad that you all have the right to vote. But hey, keep waving the bloody shirt of the aborted child and comparing it to the Holocaust. It will no doubt draw many rational, intelligent people to your side.
Oh, and here's Chief Justice Roberts' views on Roe v. Wade: "It’s settled as a precedent of the court, entitled to respect under principles of stare decisis. And those principles, applied in the Casey case, explain when cases should be revisited and when they should not. And it is settled as a precedent of the court, yes." So, yeah, good luck getting it overturned by those activist judges you despise, y'all!
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Everyone who was having such a cow over this ad should feel pretty dang stupid this morning. I was left scratching my head wondering what all the whining was for….Idiots!!
I think Rush said it best when he described libs as square pegs trying to fit into round holes. It has always been my observation that most libs, especially the loud ones, are a little off. They want to fit in somewhere, so choose the crazies on the left. ———–I couldn't believe anyone could have been outraged by the Tebow ad. It was just a sweet normal, mother's happiness about her personal choice. Aren't the libs about choice? We all know they are not about choice, but pro death. All I can say, is that God will not be mocked.
"If you love freedom, you have to take the good with the bad."
NO. That is a gross, even ridiculous, error in logic. Absolute freedom to do anything and everything is ANARCHY. As a society, we do NOT have to accept EVERYTHING in the name of FREEDOM. If there is to be any hope of a society surviving in the long term, reasonable people people must agree to reasonable restrictions on 'freedoms' in some areas. To do otherwise is suicidal.
wow, are you a dingbat. How about some time on reading COMPREHENSION.
So you've CLEARLY Never heard NOW and NARAL's vitriol? You actually have the GALL to say no one is "cheering" for more abortions? Living under a rock for a few decades lately?
Sorry, but quoting a justice doesn't "make it OK". If in fact you consider what a "precedent" really is, it's something that's SPECIFICALLY against the Constitution, because they have to call it something ELSE. Just because "other courts" agree on breaking the Constitution – STILL doesn't make it "OK".
I am so glad that my mother didn't abort me…or my wife's mother didn't abort her…or my brothers, who found me after nearly thirty years…or that my daughter didn't abort her baby, who is about to become my adopted daughter, the most beautiful and joyous four month old I have ever known. You see, with such a deep connection to the beauty and miracle of birth, I could never support the murder of a child. Once conception takes place, a womans body becomes the carrying vessel for God's creation and who are we to overrule our creator?
So her ex-husband went from one male to another?
Try posting non-liberal thought on places like HuffPo, DailyKos, etc., and see how long it is before your account is yanked.
Those who demand tolerance the most from others rarely exhibit the trait themselves.
So, you believe abortions should be legal because of the fact that whether they're legal or not people will perform them anyway? That's all well and good, but should that apply to drugs? I mean they're illegal, but yet people do them anyway, and of course its better to get your drugs from a pharmacy rather than some guy that cooked them up in his basement. Alchohol is supposed to only be used by people over 21, but everyone knows that kids will get their hands on it so should the legal limit be lowered, "because they will do it anyway?" The main fallacy with this arguement is where do you intend to draw the line?
Actually, it's your response that's offensive… and unintelligent: "who'd had" puts those abortions in the past tense, before I met those women.
Spliff
You have demostrated who is the real mentally damaged person here by your callous remarks that demean those that are handicaped by no fault of there own. It is obvious you choose to be a vile clod no doubt because you have smoked your tiny little brain just like a ham or a porkchop. Hehe mature indeed, I cannot stop laughing.
I'm speechless. "I believe that babies are the most incredible things ever, miraculous even, but they are not unique. Almost any woman can have one. Or have twenty.
I am mother of two, auntie and guardian of two more, and grandmother of six. Every one of those kids and grandkids are unique. If I had lost one to a miscarriage or death at birth, they still would have been unique. Another child would have been just as loved, but would not have been a replacement.
This post is the epitome of moral relevance. It's actually frightening to think you might be one of the doctors I meet in my hour of greatest need.
Watched the ad. Again the progressives yelled and screamed and were made to look like what they are . Wonder how fast they will try and sweep this one under the rug…hmmm priceless
Dear Lord now I am concerned about this loons daughter. I would not let this individual treat a toe fungus on my horse. No one has the right to murder or to wanton and wreckless killing. This person is not a doctor than I am an astronaut. By the way he was the first to hurl the accusations of hate and insults.
I also want to say that I’m glad Hitler’s mother never had an abortion. Holy crap! Think of the millions that would have lived. The argument can go both ways folks. . .
Doing clen up at an abortion clinic? Huh? Oh yes, I am sure that would make us all aborto-fanatics like yourself eh? Abortion is just the greatest right? Umhmmm…
That is a seriously sad screen name. It says volumes more about you than it does Tim Tebow. And what's ironic is that were he to see it, I sincerely doubt he would render you any harsh judgment over it. Me though, I'm not nearly as Christian charitable as he, I think anyone who would type such tripe is a deluded, misinformed, pathetic, ignorant piece of dog excrement.
I have not heard their vitriol, so perhaps I have been living under a rock. I do know that both sides have demonized the other into entrenched positions. SO despite the rhetoric, I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone is cheering more abortions. Honestly, that would make no sense, as it is an indefensible position. I do know that when proponents on either side of the debate get backed against a wall, they will say and do terrible things to defend their position.
Much like many of the other great debates going on in society – guns, war on terror, gays in the military, health care -both sides have valid points. And both sides have used horrible tactics to drive home their points, always to no avail.
It seems to me that Tim Tebows mother had a choice whether to have a child and risk her own life or have an abortion, soooo she is pro-choice.
Excellent point. We definitely need laws to function as a society. I just think it is much easier to draw lines around some behaviors more than others. A fetus growing in a women's uterus is about the toughest thing I can imagine writing laws to govern. It is just a very complex subject and should be treated as such.
My apologies. You misunderstand me. I agree each child is wonderful and unique and has unlimited potential.
My point was that as a species, there are a lot of human beings. 6.5 billion on the planet last time I checked. Anything that exists in those kinds of numbers tends to be less valuable. I think if there were fewer of us, we might treat each other with more respect and kindness.
And you'll be glad to know I am not a medical physician. I just spend a lot time thinking about the world's problems.
I couldn't agree more. The battle is for hearts and minds. Legislation will not work to solve the problem. I have seen the pictures and they are tough to look at. It makes me wonder how a woman could still want an abortion after seeing such images. Many change their minds, but many don't. That tells me that for some women, the fear of carrying a child to term transcends all logic, which is why banning all abortions is cruel and inhumane. Many women would rather risk death than carrying a child to term. It's plain sad, but it is the truth.
Agreed. As I said in one of my earlier replies, some human behaviors are easier to draw lines around than others. I am glad we have laws when it comes to driving in traffic, free speech, gun ownership, etc. It's just that those things are relatively small when compared to carrying a child in your womb.
I urge anyone reading this, on either side of the debate, to not look at it in such black-and-white terms. Something as emotionally and physically complex as reproduction has many shades of gray in it.
Exactly.
What strikes me is how QUIET most of the "pro-choice" folks are today. Last week, they were all over the place demanding that the "offensive" Tebow ad be banned from TV.
I think the "pro-choice" side is ashamed by the foolishness they displayed against such a moderate and upbeat ad.
wow. that was just so intelligently poignant.
your obviously right….there is too much of a chance that Hitler jr. will be born….kill all children. force sterilization.
Anyone who wants to see the visual facts of what NARAL produces should do a google search for Grantham Collection.
Script for the counter-ad:
A prominent feminist: "When I was young I whored around every night. If he could fog a mirror, I f___ed him. If I hadn't had ready access to abortion (7… or was it 8 times?) I would never have realized my dream of becoming a ______."
Tagline: "Don't let the anti-abortion rights zealots kill your dream."
Really positive, uplifting message, huh?
She still cannot get over the fact that her former husband dumped her for a man.
According to the US Department of labor –
http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/oes_nat.htm#b29-0...
In May 2008, there were only 19,750 Ob-Gyn's working in the USA. How could 90K female ob.gyns die each year?
I agree with you Jack. No one has the right to murder or commit wreckless killing. But I don't believe that early term abortion and murder are the same thing. Murder occurs between two completely separate, conscious individuals, while a fetus is totally dependent on it's mother for survival, and is thus subject to all of her decisions.
You may be surprised to know that I think it is a good idea to limit late-term abortions (except for rape, incest). At some point the fetus becomes a viable individual, and termination is no longer abortion but murder. Go ahead and accuse me of splitting a fine hair, but as I said previously, this is a very complicated subject and I think splitting fine hairs is exactly what is called for.
Honestly, I think limiting late-term abortions has been one of the successes of the Great abortion debate. It's one area where both sides have largely found a consensus.
So much poisonous bigotry has been coming out of the mouths of the radical liberal left media, NOW and NARAL that if it wasn't so tragic it would be laughable. This wonderful compassionate leftists liberal bunch who would die for the rights of whales, spotted owls, trees, enemy combatants and yes, even terrorists are the very ones who want to take away rights of American citizens who don't support their leftist socialist agenda. So much for tolerance!
It makes me wonder how a woman could still want an abortion after seeing such images. Many change their minds, but many don't. That tells me that for some women, the fear of carrying a child to term transcends all logic
No, they never see the images of their baby. The law forbids it. They won't allow ultrasound in the abortion suite. And, there's no fear of carrying a child to term. They've been told all their lives it's just a bunch of cells. It's not a baby. It's just a medical procedure.
How can you be so obtuse? You have a daughter? Go look at her right now. I dare you.
There is no way to look at it except in black and white terms. You just need to get over the notion that life should be easy. It's not. Life is hard. And then you die. But in between birth and death are some memorable moments. Even in the hardest of lives. You just don't appreciate life enough.
I am not a doctor as you claim to be but I have seen a lot of death and let me assure you there are no shades of gray. There is death and life. It appears that you look for to many shades of gray. there are so many other ways of handling pregnancie other than choosing the absolute of death for one of the particepants the most helpless that cannot speak for them self. Abortion is in fact just another final solution.
When people are making the millions that Tiller made and the hundreds if not billions that abortions mills rake in you bet they are cheering it on at the expense of life and common decency. As in so many things follow the money.
I showed your comments to my neighbor who is an internist in private practice for over 18 years. Most groups of doctors and they are afilliated with an OBGYN group as well will not perform abortion except in the most dire medical situation which he again explained are very rare as a matter of fact in all this time he has known of only two. You are losing this debate exactly as he stated because of the advances in medical science that is why a majority of people no longer consider them self Pro choice. The most active death camps in the world are being run by the Federal Goobermint called family Planning which is simply a money pit for the executioners and there minions.
Thanks, Matthew!
Oh, Idaho Gal… why do keep me up so late?
I did a quick a search of U.S. State Laws using Findlaw.com – And at least Idaho and California have NO LAWS regarding the use of ultrasound, or whether they can show the mother the pictures during an abortion procedure. In fact, it seems there are only very basic laws that govern the details of the procedure. So abortion providers may or may be following these practices, but you need to get your facts straight. Show me any state law that forbids ultrasound before an abortion. If you find one, I think it will be the exception rather than the rule, but let's try and stick to the facts.
The rest of your argument is complete speculation. Women are told a lot of things regarding babies, but if they don't know what they are carrying inside their womb, they have bigger problems than being pregnant.
Again, I point out that women who see ultrasounds and know they are carrying a human fetus still choose to get abortions. You don't like it. I don't like it. But it happens everyday. If abortion is outlawed, some of the very same women will choose to do the procedure themselves, which is why I believe choice is to be protected.
I'm not trying to be obtuse. I feel you are choosing to see only 1 side of a 2-sided problem.
I appreciate life as much as I fully can. I believe it is to be savored. I think the women who choose to get abortions maybe don't appreciate life, and perhaps that is part of the problem. Women who choose abortions often live in broken homes or are in abusive relationships and feel trapped by a pregnancy. They then make a stressed decision without regard to the consequences, either good or bad. So in the end, it doesn't matter what we think, or what is legal or what is illegal. Women have had abortions since the Egyptians. This is not a new problem. Given that fact, how do we minimize it? How do we save the most lives?
Well Jack, I don't even know how to reply to this. That is some crazy stuff. I do appreciate your passion though. I believe you are fighting what you believe to be the good fight and I can't fault you for that! I guess I'll just have to say good day and blessings to you and yours. Thank you for your time.
Here is some black and white for you – Women have been giving themselves abortions for 3500 years. Herbs, implements, physical pressure. The problem isn't a new one. And outlawing it won't make it go away. I wish it would.
Dr. Confused
People have comitted murder robbery, rape and all manner of crimes against humanity since men and women have been here. But we do not nix the laws against these crimes because people did during a certain period in history. You are your own worst enemy. I am stressed I need money my mo9rgage is due we need food so if should be okay for me to rob a bank by your standard.
Jack, you are missing the point.
For centuries women have given themselves abortions even at the risk of their own lives. They are, for lack of a better word, insane. This is not a new phenomenon.
By taking away the ability to get a doctor-performed abortion, you are condemning both the woman and her fetus to death. Women who want an abortion often kill themselves trying to abort the fetus themselves.
We have a long standing tradition in this country of sparing insane people the death penalty. It is defined as cruel and unusual punishment because they cannot be held accountable for their actions. I believe a woman who would kill herself to avoid carrying a fetus to term fits those standards.
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