Pollster Frank Luntz is trying to hawk his new poll on gun laws commissioned by the left-wing group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns. He’s trying to sell the concept that NRA members are just as interested in “common-sense gun policies” as anti-gun nuts and that legislators should take this into account when crafting future anti-gun legislation. The problem is that this poll (.pdf at link) is misleading in some important ways, and the fact that the devil is in the details is totally glossed over.
In an op ed in the Los Angeles Times written by Luntz and Tom Barrett, gun owners are compared favorably with non-gun owners over their feelings on gun banning laws. “The culture war over the right to bear arms isn’t much of a war after all,” the pair tells us. “As it turns out, there is a lot everyone agrees on.”

And this main point serves as the biggest problem with Luntz’s poll. Of course everyone will claim he’s for “common-sense” firearms laws. But the first thing that anyone will find out when discussing concrete policies is that disagreement quickly reigns when people start getting specific. An assumption that everyone “agrees” on just what common sense means disappears pretty quickly when the details are laid out.
Luntz was all atwitter over the finding that NRA members are supporters of closing the “gun show loophole.” He thought that this finding was just short of astounding, apparently.
Mayors of small and large cities and police from throughout the country strongly support closing the gun show loophole. Now we know that gun owners – including NRA members – do, too. The only question is: Are their elected representatives listening?
Who could doubt that it would be a sure thing to guess that both gun owners and non-gun owners would both agree that criminals shouldn’t be allowed to have guns — also one of the questions the poll asks — but how to go about assuring that this goal becomes reality is the sticking point. Non gun-owners would say that banning all guns is the solution, and gun owners would not agree with that at all. Yet, both would say that criminals shouldn’t get guns. Hence, there is a certain level of superficial, if simple-minded agreement.
But Luntz tries to massage this poll into some sort of game changer nonetheless.
The poll confirms what is almost always true: The American people have far more common sense than the politicians in our state capitols and in Washington. They support policies that solidify and protect their Second Amendment rights while also protecting their communities from criminals and illegal behavior. And they recognize that more can be done within the bounds of the Second Amendment to punish the guilty and protect innocent lives.

Still, even in Luntz’s own poll the divisions that everyone assumes exist do show up. While in his op-ed Luntz is trying to sell us all on the claim that gun owners are for new gun laws, his poll shows that most gun owners think that gun laws are already too strict. Luntz found that 35% of the NRA members say gun laws are too restrictive. On the other hand, only 18% of the non-NRA members think guns laws should be eased.
The poll also asks softball questions that really are meaningless when trying to discover important differences between NRA members and non-members. Statement #9, for instance, says, “Criminals who possess, use, and traffic in illegal guns should be punished to the maximum extent of the law.” 96% of the NRA members agree and 94% of non-NRA respondents agree. Well, duh!
The media is also touting this study as some amazing new finding. The L.A. Times, for instance, peddles some falsehoods in its breathless coverage of the poll. (Emphasis mine.)
When asked whether they supported or opposed a ‘proposal requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns,’ 69% of the NRA members and 85% of the nonmembers were in favor. This goes to the so-called gun-show loophole, which allows used-gun merchants to sell firearms without doing the background checks that are required when selling new guns. Attempts in Congress to close this loophole have died after meeting strong opposition from the NRA.
This is a flat-out untruth. Gun dealers cannot legally sell a firearm at a gun show “without doing the background checks.” All licensed gun dealers must do the required background checks. The only “loophole” shows up when private owners go to sell their own guns to other private individuals. It is they who are not required to do background checks. Gun dealers are allowed no such restriction free sales.
The Times has another untruth in its report:
Gun owners also were asked whether they agreed or disagreed with this statement: ‘The federal government should not restrict the police’s ability to access, use and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.’ This goes to the Tiahrt Amendments, provisions attached to federal spending bills that interfere with the ability of police agencies to use federal gun-trace data. The NRA is a big supporter of these amendments, but it’s out of touch with its members; 69% of those polled agreed there should be no federal restrictions on trace data, as did 74% of gun owners as a whole.
Wrong again. The Tihart Amendments do not “interfere” in any way with law enforcement at any level. What Tihart prevents is anyone other than law enforcement having access to these records. It prevents media, lobbyists and politicians from accessing the info, it does not prohibit or “interfere” with law enforcement.
This poll and the coverage of it is entirely misleading and is proof that the anti-Second Amendment meme is alive and well in the Old Media.
Meanwhile, here’s at least one fellow who has no problem with firearms:





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"Many proven methods work to prevent crime, a solid basic education in how to behave in civil society, economic growth, engaged and active parents, etc. But the most effective methods that exist for reducing crime is self defense and long term humane incarceration for those who cannot coexist peacefully with their fellow citizens. New York State concealed carry law is a mess – some counties provide permits to law abiding citizens with out much hassle while others, “you have to know somebody.” Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Don’t get me wrong – have stringent rules and requirements that are not capricious for the officials as well as the applicants, but stop deluding yourselves in thinking that permit holders and firearms are in and of themselves the enemy – the opposite is true – concealed carry holders are the most productive and law abiding segment of society. Florida maintains excellent statistics on this point – less then one hundredth of one percent of all permit holders has ever committed any crime in its entire thirty year history of concealed carry! Before Elliot Sptitzers behavior was detected he let 200 murderers out of prison. These people did not steal a loaf of bread to feed their children – THEY KILLED AND RAPED PEOPLE. Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Bring back the death penalty for criminals that take an officers life. Please stop attacking me and my fellow firearms owners we neither deserve your ire or your ad hominem attacks. Focus your efforts on what works and not what will get any of you reelected, stop using firearms as a means to win votes in an effort to demonstrate to your misguided constituents that you can save them from violent crime if only they surrender more of their forgotten liberty, when the opposite is true – even they at some point will recognize your hypocrisy for what it is." – I wrote this 2 years ago in refernce to NY state bullet seralization efforts – Mr. Luntz stick to everything but things that go bang.
Yeah, because everybody knows that criminals go to their local gun show to buy their weapons, not out of the trunk of other criminals. Please! All you have to do is look at D.C. which has the most restrictive gun laws in the nation and also has the highest number of gun crimes for any city it's size. Now, where do you think all those criminals are getting their guns?
Ah, the neocons are beginning to expose themselves.
F You Frank!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
To quote ol' Charleton Heston: "FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS…………."
Did someone finally pin your ears back for all the anti-Semitic bilge you usually pump out…?
Besides, if I did expose myself…I'd have to start carrying one, (gun), around everywhere because of your stalking me…
Thats a good one.
Best bumper sticker I saw in a while:
"I called off sick today, the voices in my head told me to go home and clean my guns."
A friend of mine says that when the pinko politicians ask him to take peoples guns he is going to ask the politicians to do it for him
Very well put.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Yeah, ain't nutin' more un-American than that, is there?
Excellent analysis. That's usually the most efficient way to take down a modern liberals debate, with their own facts.
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If there is just one issue that determines my vote it is the support of the Second Amendment. Without it, the others would be moot.
There you go again, using that vile term "neocon" to describe those nasty liberal J_ws that turned conservative in their past.
You are not to speak Herr Strumfront…I do not like you.
Very telling of your mind set.
What did you do with your day off on Hitlers birthday this year? I mean besides sniffing your fingers.
Not Over.
it does show Dr Luntz to be a mainstream Republican- which is just as bad as a moderate Democrat. You either believe in the Constitution or you don't. The gun control crowd should more properly be called the Civilian Disarmament Movement…
Just a quick side note. We have guns to maintain freedom(ballot box, expression, religion, self-defence) and restore order (the peace). This is vastly different from the reason other governments maintain a monopoly on force (even I'm sorry to say the UK). Our long range goal is to reverse that.
Amigo, most times you do not make one ioata of sense.
The American People have the largest military on the face of the earth—250 million and counting. No way Mao or Stalin or Hitler would have been able to get away with their tyranny if their populations were armed.
The second amendment is possibly why the US hasn't been overthrown militarily to date.
Reminiscent of something Jeff Cooper once said.
Think about it some more. Why are cities commonly getting police chiefs from far away rather than from within the community?
Gun control is just another facet of socialist utopianism.
Unarmed peasants make the best targets for the "progressive/liberal/Democrat Party elites.
This RIGHT is unambiguous and not negotiable. It protects ALL the other rights from usurpation by committed statists like Obama & Co.
This shouldn't even be a debate. The fact that "Big City Mayors" are involed speaks to the corruption and criminality of this poll and these people.
These large cities are generally mismanaged, have ridiculous budgets full of graft and and are traditionally corrupt.
“Back in 1982, the town of Kennesaw, GA, passed a law requiring every head of household to keep a gun in the house. The story got international attention. Columnist Art Buchwald wrote a piece for The Washington Post predicting routine arguments would be settled in Wild West shootouts. Sound familiar? What really happened in Kennesaw is the population boomed, and crime plummeted. The town of 5,000 in 1982 is now more than 30,000, and there hasn’t been one single Kennesaw resident involved in a fatal shooting since the gun requirement went into effect. Yes, guns are good; some people are bad. Others are just ignorant.” (Phil Valentine, “What? No OK Corral?” The Tennessean, 9 August 2009)
I say we link abortion laws and gun laws.
If you require a permit for a gun, require a permit for an abortion.
Want a 3 day waiting period to buy a gun, require a 3 day waiting period for an abortion (hey, how about a 9 month waiting period?)
Minors can't buy guns, minors can't buy an abortion; a guardian must approve.
The Right to Bear Arms is in the Bill of Rights. The "Right to an Abortion" is arrived at.
If you are for the restriction of an Enumerated Right, how can you fight a "found" Right?
And while we are at it, if you shoot off your mouth and hit somone innocent, shouldn't you be held as liable as when you shoot of a gun and hit someone innocent? (Link the laws restricting the 2nd ammendment with restrictions on the First.)
you know of the founder of Gunsite? good for you…
Seems to us that everyone here misses the boat on you, pardner. Your stuff seems awlful strict constructionist to us- which is of course a good thing- and no one seems to 'get it' with your posts.
What gives?
our personal favorite:
'Rather judged by twelve than carried by six'…
excellent point- and the onlky gun control advocates amongst the cops is the Police Chiefs Association. The rank and file officers are pro-gun ownership,contrary to popular belief…
A police chief is usually a political appointment and has liitle to do with actual law enforcement.
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The Right to Bear Arms…..Now that's what I call Homeland Security.
Nicely done!
I do not know. I live fifty miles from town.
We tend to be self sufficient here, and handle our own problems.
Police, are something for you city people.
I can't stand Frank Bad Toupee luntz. Why Fox has him on for his incessant boring focus groups is a mystery.
just what is there about the phrase 'shall not be infringed' that the left doesn't understand?…
or Luntz, for that matter. There are restrictions on the first amendment- shouting fire in a crowded theater and all that- but it is the second that shall not be infringed. Jay particularly saw how important the second was to protect the right of free men to assemble- the first.
We have never understood the convoluted logic of the opponents. If you don't like it- repeal it. See how that works for you. But, as John Vernon said in 'Outlaw Josie Wales':
'Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining'…
Here in Colorado, private sellers at Gun Shows must run firearm transactions through the background check system just as the commercial dealers do. Show management is set up to run checks…dealers who offer checks at their tables work with private sellers as well. It's a good system and it works.
Excellent article – especially how some hacks are about to make positive statements on research that does nothing to prove them!
Don't ya just love the way the loons on the left delude themselves and many on the right into believing that, as long as THEY pretend that something is not settled, it's not settled? I'm really feeling very intolerant these days. Are Drs. Webking and Villareal still at UTEP?
Excellent point.
When I first graduated from college back in the day with my technical degree, I was originally headed for the Silicon Valley in California. But, as fate would have it, I ended up in Burlington, Vermont. IBM had one of the largest memory chip plants in the world.
One thing I learned up there (before all the moon bats moved in) was Vermonter's have a a saying. 'Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.'
Some good old fashioned common sense there.
so it is the Israel thing- there is another poster here, Fonzie or something like that- that is a one note over the top Israel basher. Our take is this: Israel is an ally, and a functioning democracy in the middle east. We have many common interests.
That's it. Period. There are areas of disagreement, and fealty to another state- any state- is just plain wrong. So it's a matter of facts and proportionality. When the facts dictate, and coincide, then it is a proper associaltion. But thet aren't he world's boogeymen,either- and there are PLENTY of bad guys out there of every stripe. World domination is not a religious issue, they are usually just excuses to divide. No, it's bad people who want to steal evertything and reduce us to slaves.
And, like we said, there are plenty of non-jews who fit that description as well…
But what we've seen of your posts you seem pretty reasonable. So, there's that…
part of the contradictory nature of Vermont, eh? Good saying though…
dcase and dhasselhoff,
Interesting exchange. I agree with many of the points.
Most professional criminals tend to case their targets and generally avoid homes that hint the occupants are gun owners. Given their intent is to deprive someone of their possession and security, it comes as no surprise that the Socialist Left also wish's to disarm Americans.
Add Che Gueverra to the list of those who loved gun control. Che was killed when the first time he ever faced a guy who had a gun and Che didnt. By the way ,Luntz Ill give you a fact-The FIRST law both Hitler and Stalin had passed was GUN CONTROL. By the way, Luntz, Im sure ROBERT THE COMMIE MUGABE of Zimbabwe also loves gun control. So does the TALIBAN. Kim Jong Ill and Ho Chi Minh loved gun control. Im sure POL POT did also. Funny how ALL OF THE ABOVE are both mass murderers and dictators.
you are far too bright- and aware- not to… listen, one thing we can all agree on is this- when it comes to evil nobody has an exclusive. Last we checked the Rockefellers weren't jewish, and it's hard to find ANY good there…
Well, I don't know how bright I am, but I am more aware than most, and well traveled. I'll go way out on a limb here, I happen to agree with about 75% of what hasselhoff says. The problem is with the delivery. I learned a long time ago, that is far easier to get someone to pass you the salt, if you say: "Please pass the salt", as opposed to barking " Gimme the %&^%$#@ salt!"
It is all in delivery.
The operative words are “shall not be infringed.”
King Leonidas I and the Battle of Thermopylae seems appropriate when talking about people rights to defend themselves and who our enemies are right now.
Even in star trek, the utopian socialist society of the future, they still have phasers.
On the Internet you need to get people's attention.
But you are right.
I am a gun owner, NRA member, et al. A few years ago I sat on a jury deciding the sentence of a young man that had plead guilty to a manslaughter charge. The law in my state provides that an extra 15 years may be added to a sentence if a gun was used in a criminal felony. A law with which I agree. I was an avid voice in the jury room that no matter what time was handed down for the manslaughter, there was no doubt that a gun was used and the legislature had given us this tool to punish the guilty and if we didn't use it, it had no purpose and could not discourage anyone else from using a gun while committing a crime. If I remember correctly, the maximum sentence we could hand down for the manslaughter charge was 25 years. We rendered a verdict of 27 years total, 15 for using the gun and 12 for killing a sorry piece of drug dealing humanity. When the prosecutor was asked his opinion about the verdict, he said, "…I guess the jury didn't like guns." He couldn't have been more wrong. The protection of our right to own a gun is what we truly had in mind.
Gun control groups have to poll NRA members because their own membership is to small a sample size.
See how easy it is to get mine, when you smile and say "please pass the salt"?
Going further out on that limb, commenting on both you, and dcase's posts. Personally, Israel is an ally. Or should be; but we are their tool. There are just too many people impasioned over the Israeli "chosen people" dogma, and I for one don't buy it. Ask those same people why they feel that way, they can't give a rational explanation, other than a shoulder shrug and blank stare.
Further, the Arabs hate US, because of Israel. That solution is simple. i believe in America. We should cut off 100% of ALL foreign aid, withdraw from the UN, and tell the whole world to kiss our ass.
Start with Haiti.
Do you want to see what our future could look like…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec
They took the guns in the UK so they would be safe and now they really regret it.
An armed society is a polite society. To: Sensible99, Your wish is my wish and I think there are many, many Americans who are on the same page. More than left would ever believe.
Guns in the hands of lawful citizens, are the implements of Freedom over Totalitarianism or the slow tyranny creeping up on US….Sorry libs…..I'm keepin all of mine…
But always on STUN…
It's not that the left doesn't understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed" as they totally ignore it for their main argument is the "well regulated militia". Many on the left believe that the only intention of the 2nd Amendment was solely for the states to have militias while conveniently ignoring that most states claim that any able bodied male between ages 16 – 50 who reside in that state are already part of the state's militia.
What's truly sad about the whole dispute over the 2nd Amendment is that our founding fathers would have fathomed that a majority in our nation would have difficulties understanding the English language. The 2nd Amendment actually contains two points both which shall not be infringed. The first part is that each state in the union has the right to protect herself from each other as well as an aggressive federal government. This was made clear with the part between the commas "being necessary to the security of a free state". The second point made is that the individual "people" have the right to keep and bear arms.
The last statement in the video says it all. "Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it"
No question – he's just a liar. Any statistician with a brain can figure out the meaning of facts & figures.
Of course they never showed the reprogramming centers where they would send criminals to have their thought patterns corrected by mind melding vulcans.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and it has always been the left making all the noise while most Americans (conservatives) just try to live their lives in peace without making waves. I think the time has come that we must beat them at their own game.
Common Sense gun laws:
All states implement 'shall issue' concealed carry
Repeal all assault weapon bans
Repeal ban on new machine guns
From orals before SCOTUS in Heller:
Atty General Clemnt (arguing for government in support of DC ban):
GENERAL CLEMENT:' Well, Justice Scalia, I think our principal concern based on the parts of the
court of appeals opinion that seemed to adopt a very categorical rule were with respect to machine guns, because I do think that it is difficult — I don't want to foreclose the possibility of the Government, Federal Government making the argument some day — but I think it is more than a little difficult to say that the one arm that's not protected by the Second Amendment is that which is the standard issue armament for the National Guard, and that's what the machine gun is. '
(the lower court ruling in Heller pg 53 states: The modern handgun—and for that matter the rifle and
long-barreled shotgun—is undoubtedly quite improved over its
colonial-era predecessor, but it is, after all, a lineal descendant
of that founding-era weapon, and it passes Miller’s standards.
Pistols certainly bear “some reasonable relationship to the
preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.” They are
also in “common use” today, and probably far more so than in
1789. Nevertheless, it has been suggested by some that only
colonial-era firearms (e.g., single-shot pistols) are covered by
the Second Amendment. But just as the First Amendment free
speech clause covers modern communication devices unknown
to the founding generation, e.g., radio and television, and the
Fourth Amendment protects telephonic conversation from a
“search,” the Second Amendment protects the possession of the
modern-day equivalents of the colonial pistol.
The so called "gun show loop hole" does not exist ! Reputable dealers at shows here in NC run everybody thru NICS. Long guns or hand guns alike. I too am surprized at Luntz.
to dcase
We'll have to check the context on that quote, and get back to ya…:-)
the Second Amendment is the cornerstone of American freedom………….which is the reason that obozo and his fellow radicals want to screw it up if not do away with it altogether
we all know that its not fair to use historical facts against a liberal argument………… the facts always get in the way for the radicals grab on Americans freedoms
I spent 8 years listening to the left scream about how Bush was going to suspend elections and illegally remain in office. It amuses me to bring this up with the gun grabbers and ask "if this had actually happened, how would you resist without firearms?"
It doesn't convince them, but I get a kick out of watching the steam blow out of their ears.
fox, unlike the liberal msm, strives to be far and balanced, so they give time to the loons and America haters like the obozo sycophants
Yes, I currently have a class with Dr.Webking, he's great, I've had him for three poly sci classes. I've been given an early admission to the Grad School. I have a single class to graduate – so it's a weird kind of limbo, half under/half grad.
I'm not familiar with Dr. Villareal but the name is definately familiar.
Are you a poly sci grad from UTEP?
doncha luv the faux gun groups that the liberals pulled out during clinton to muddy the water for nra members and supporters ……………. the fakes like – American Hunters and Shooters Association and maybe even Gunowners of America?
more liberal lies for the ………….. legend in his own mind………….OBAMA LIAR
Agreed.
any argument in favor of gun control must be grounded in two assumptions: 1. that gun control laws prevent people with evil intentions from acquiring guns, and 2. that law abiding citizens can rely on the state/government to protect their homes and families from people with evil intentions.
DC's gun laws perfectly illustrate that assuption 1 is false. anyone who has had their home broken into (and really anyone with common sense) knows that assuption 2 is also false. i appreciate the hard work and courage of our law enforcement folks but HOPING that they will show up in time to save the day is not a risk any man should be forced to take when the lives of his loved ones are on the line.
I like guns, come see…
http://RightWingStuff.coml
I finally joined the NRA because I live in NYC and I'm sick and tired of the way this state has curtailed gun rights. Can't wait for the Chicago case, which I'm sure will overturn Chicago's gun ban. We will still have a long way to go, but we will finally be on the right track.
How dare you question King Michael I (Mayor Bloomberg)!
To quote a SWAT buddy of mine: " when they call me in to come take your guns, I'm calling in sick"
He's a paid hack, he's posting everywhere. Just ignore him.
Yeah, that's why they relocate like they do with Police Chiefs, etc…. They want there to be a divide between the police and the policed.
Gun Control is hitting what you aim at…
Shame on Dr Luntz. The second amendment is there to protect the first. read your John Jay, or James Madison,
There are OVER 20,000 gun laws on the books. Enforce those…
Seems to me the only real problem folks have with me is that I put America first, not a foreign country (one that has stabbed us in the back repeatedly, to boot!). Now, imagine the sort of people who would have a problem with that.
There are liars, damned liars, and statisticians. The question is whether Mr. Luntz is a statistician, or just a damn liar…
I'm tired of all this nonsense. Every day brings a new attack on our freedoms from the "I know better than you" left. Frankly, I wish a revolution would happen so we can fight it out and get it over with. Maybe after wards we can get back to going about our lives in peace without having to be constantly looking over our left shoulder for the next sneak attack on liberty.
Looks to me like Dr. Luntz is, basically, a whore. He will find the statistics to support the preconceived notions of whoever happens to hire him. Bloomberg apparently thinks that he has developed a "conservative"reputation, by appearing on Fox News, and that whoredom makes his preconceeived notions more valid. For me, it means that Luntz's "statistics" are now as suspect as everyone else's!
Warner, loved the poster and the video! The article was a hit in the ten ring as well. I embedded the video in both of my web sites. Viva la Constitutione!
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From a female's point of view, I agree with the 2nd Amend. I recently had a conversation with a long time friend who thinks they should make it illegal to own a gun. I was shocked! I explained to her that I grew up with guns. My father (very wise man) taught us how to safely hold, load, shoot and clean before putting away. We went to the desert often to shoot at cans; he kept a loaded gun in my parents nightstand, which we wouldn't dare touch, unless we needed to. He taught us respect for guns. I told her about the 911 call from the lady in OK awhile back who was in the country and ended up having to shoot the man breaking into her house. (Bless her heart, she will have that nightmare the rest of her life, but she did what she had to do.) I think I made some progress in convincing her that law abiding citizens with guns, do not commit crimes, criminals do. Criminals do not obey our laws, so why would anyone think they would obey gun restriction laws. I just don't get it!
luntz is selling his services to the highest bidder and we all know that the liberals/radicals will pay top dollar for any lies/distortions that can aid their grab of freedoms away from the real Americans
The United States Constitution, Amendment 2 :
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=guncontrol.as...
Gun Control Proponent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo
I have a different opinion. We give aid to anyone who asks for it, at a price. They help us with our wars, and we'll help with theirs. You don't pull your weight, and you don't get all the US's largesse.
Are any Israelis helping us out in Afghanistan and Iraq? (Seriously, I don't know.) If not, Israel can deal with its own problems. We won't judge, but neither will we help.
As for Haiti, build some infrastructure, secure the government, do everything right that we did wrong with Cuba, and in 30 years make it the 51st state. All while we get some Haitians over in Afghanistan and Iraq.
An old saying, newly written (Actually I just made it up), If a politician walks in while you are discussing local problems, then it is best you shut your mouth, unless you are ready to cede power to him/her and pay for the bureaucracy their minds can conjure to solve the perceived problem!!!!!! To delegate authority, is to increase the cost of the cure!!!!!!!!!
I usually agree with you, but don't fall into the trap of saying that other religions can be as extreme as Muslim terrorism. I've never heard of a Jewish terrorist. As for Christian Fundamentalists, there are a few nuts who shoot abortion "doctors" every few years or so, sure. But only Muslims have gotten onto planes to blow them up or crash them into buildings. Only Muslim terrorists are funded by theocracies. Only radical Muslims cut women's clitoris and stone homosexuals. You have to know who our real enemies are.
I was going to say that had changed as of January 12th with the Penske shooting in Kennesaw, but the shooter is from Temple Georgia and not Kennesaw.
Israel doesn't help us, they hurt us. So, explain the relationship and why they deserve money earned by America people.
"I've never heard of a Jewish terrorist."
Then you are pretty uneducated. Israel was founded and is maintained using terrorism. Look up "King David Hotel bombing" "JDL" "Irgun" "Stern Gang" "Lavon Affair" and follow this link: http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidna...
I have also noticed that Frank Luntz appears to create agenda-driven polls which he peddles endlessly on Fox News. Now, whenever I see his face, the alarm bells go off in my head and his believability is shot. This article confirms my gut!
His cred… is dead!
Plenty of homeland security at my house …
The pol makes no mention of the underlying requisite truths about gun ownership and the Second Amendment: Education and responsibility. The gun grabbers dont know anything about guns because they have not studied them or educated themselves about usage or proper handling.
THE NRA WITH ITS SUPPORT OF THE HUGHES AMENDMENT AND THE 1986 GUN OWNERS PROTECTION ACT DID A FINE JOB OF BETRAYING ITS SELECT FIRE MEMBERS. THEY ARE MODERN DAY BENEDICT ARNOLDS.
I am quoting someone though I know not who." An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject."
Where can I get a poster like the one at the top of the page that says Gun Control Works?